The Syndicate

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:58 pm Homie didn't care about the game all day and shows up all look at me I care.

Seriously flash wagon Millium lol.
I just got out of work

those 47 hr shifts really hit hard

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

Bye. Good luck town. Ignore all my solves.

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

Homie didn't care about the game all day and shows up all look at me I care.

Seriously flash wagon Millium lol.

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:57 pm But also kill belzy, I don't want Alison 2.0, which is what I'm afraid of

CFD Millium

We in big game hours.

[VOTE: Ilario] aubergine

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:55 pm Watch me switch last minute onto ilario for my mafia agenda.

Me too.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:50 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:41 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:40 pm Problem is I think Belzy is town
Que?
Literally everyone wants to kill Belz nobody has even entertained for a second Belzy is town, I don't trust you and Belz has made it so hard not to vote for them that woofs can just kill Belz and have the win.

Mac the way I see it one of 4 things is happening

1. Belz is mafia and not lying to you and your gonna die

2. Belz is town and not lying to you and mafia already won the game because they kept you alive to tunnel the town loverizer and get you to kill yourself

3. Belz flips something completely different than what claimed is mafia your town and get night killed

4. Belz flips something completely different than claimed you are also mafia but this doesn't out you really so your alive tomorrow and woofs just have to do what me Katze and Lumi did to pull a win which is plant doubt long enough.
4 is literally not possible
Um...why? Lol.

nvm I thought you were saying in 4 Belzy was town

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:52 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:50 pm lylos are announced @EnderWiggin
Mmm. I guess if Mac holsters if we hit villager there shouldn't be a game over.

So you'd rather me holster in that event than just kill Belzy?

4 would require me to have the power of controlling the mind of Belzy.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:41 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:40 pm Problem is I think Belzy is town
Que?
Literally everyone wants to kill Belz nobody has even entertained for a second Belzy is town, I don't trust you and Belz has made it so hard not to vote for them that woofs can just kill Belz and have the win.

Mac the way I see it one of 4 things is happening

1. Belz is mafia and not lying to you and your gonna die

2. Belz is town and not lying to you and mafia already won the game because they kept you alive to tunnel the town loverizer and get you to kill yourself

3. Belz flips something completely different than what claimed is mafia your town and get night killed

4. Belz flips something completely different than claimed you are also mafia but this doesn't out you really so your alive tomorrow and woofs just have to do what me Katze and Lumi did to pull a win which is plant doubt long enough.

4 is literally not possible

Eh I wouldn't be so sure. I'd been tunneling Ilario and it would certainly be convincing to wolves that I could vote him. Belzy appealing to me in private and then Rondo snapping him are pretty easy to parse as wolf moves.

Still wondering what Ender was doing vanity voting dya but meh.

I'm so glad this is just about done. I can't wait to see the mafia team was Ender, Dya, Ilario all along or some tilting nonsense.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:40 pm [VOTE: Belzy] aubergine
If this was all part of your master plan to bait wolves then I applaud you. Though I think regardless they kinda have to go all in on getting me killed today

Well Belzy was like "do you think ilario can happen" and then I was like sure if you make posts and vote and then suddenly the anti Ilario movement came alive so that's a thing.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:41 pm But I've been wrong about literally everything this game

Welcome to the club

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:40 pm Problem is I think Belzy is town

Que?

Methinks Neon just got spewed town one way or another.

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

How could you Rondo you betrayed your best friend

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:37 pm @MacDougall
You said u had a solve did u ever post it?

I was just fucking around.

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:35 pm Ohh assumed they were a regular and most have
I would refer back to Mac's post in his iso where he summarizes his thoughts on betzy

If they are town, and this loses us game, but we are also worried that this is a wolf and also loses us the game, then we are stuck in a conundrum, so we just lose regardless

I doubt they're town but I'm not closing my eyes to the possibility. I thought Aro and Alison were sure things and I've learned my lesson.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:28 pm Wait we have to manually vote.

[VOTE: Dyachei] aubergine

@EnderWiggin why are you vanity wagoning someone who is never going over?

[VOTE: Ilario] aubergine

Allow me to at least give your plan a chance to succeed.

You're missing the part where everyone is townreading ilario.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:25 pm No but there is proof Tilgarial did. And yet your action apparently landed on its intended target.

This was directed at Belzy not you dya.

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:25 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:25 pm No but there is proof Tilgarial did. And yet your action apparently landed on its intended target.
I don't have a night action, mac

Porscha's ability is to prevent actions from working on their target aside from killing and roleblock.

Tilgarial 100% tried to swap us.

I just believe Belzy did target me because it's the one thing they've been adamant on in a believable way. Not even arguing their alignment as much as that.

Ergo it stands to reason Porscha is why the bus drive failed but if they targeted me then probably Belzy's role fails too because Loveriser shouldn't count as KP contextually. It's more likely Porscha targeted you.

Could be that Loveriser is counting as KP and Porscha targeted me. I just think not.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:24 pm If you arent oh well, we still need to kill Belzy if Mac's Math is correct

not my strong suit

Which means Tilgarial's action went off but failed and the most logical reason would be that Porscha prevented actions from landing on Dya.

No but there is proof Tilgarial did. And yet your action apparently landed on its intended target.

Things I believe from Belzy

a) They really did loverise me
b) They really did target me so Tilgarial's ability failed which means Porscha targeted Dyachei probably

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:15 pm fwiw Belzy is still claiming town in hood chat so prepare for that possibility
14 minutes till I start work

yeah

fwiw Belzy is still claiming town in hood chat so prepare for that possibility

I asked nicely. I just don't wanna anymore man. I'm beyond done with being shat on for being incorrect presumptively. Please don't.

Hey everyone I've ever scumread wrongly. I'm very sorry.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:05 pm I wonder what would haapen if mac played with mac lol

Please stop.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:03 pm its just annoying like i know there's townies alive where the fuck are they lol

Adequately snowed / have had their wim crushed.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:01 pm belzy is quite literally lolcatting and wolves are fine with it? is that not a bit scary? when mac and I are dead tomorrow what happens

I hear ya.

Go ahead and convince the lobby the vote out ilario.

I know Millium and Nanook have already laughed it aside. Dya has him as 2nd top town. Ender thinks he's town. Rondo doesn't care.

Maybe we can get Belzy to vote with us.

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

Also comes with the added benefit of likely getting me the fuck out of this dystopian hellscape.

And you made your own argument against limming anyone else.

It's probably the incorrect thing to do but I think flipping Belzy is the best we're going to get. Hopefully they lied about me being loverised though I doubt it.

I think we could probably convince the room to chop Rondo but I personally don't wanna chop Rondo. Maybe Neon who neither of us scumread. And if Ilario is a wolf he just roleblocks me to stop me killing Belzy and that gives the mafia literally 3 additional kills.

If we chop outside Belzy here and hit a town.

Mafia roleblock and NK town.

We finally resolve Belzy tomorrow and I die.

Mafia gets another NK.

Worst case scenario here not eliminating Belzy and I now is game losing.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:24 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:19 pm This has been both a fun and also an extremely horrible experience simultaneously. Thanks for the trauma lol.
what is the benefit of killing belzy here and not just letting you vig them? especially if Ilario is the wolf roleblocker killing him so he can't rb and then shooting belzy nets us 2 pelts and makes this game auto won

I'd have no issue with that but neither of us are gonna convinced enough people to vote him out. Not this list. Not us. I'm sorry but we have Buckley's chance.

Haha dunk on nutella

I doubt Ilario is town.

Millium and Nanook are unlikely to be partners with Porscha.

Ender is town.

Thats my legacy.

This has been both a fun and also an extremely horrible experience simultaneously. Thanks for the trauma lol.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:43 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:43 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:51 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:53 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:52 pm Lmao it's too late to ping me, call it a self preservationvote, she hasn't doing anything wolfy, but she certainly isn't townie
[VOTE: Milium] aubergine

this also doesnt feel good, looks like neon is trying to end on any wagon that isnt porcha
neon shade. Currently at this time Ilario is saying I'm town, so shading neon is the play.
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:52 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:50 am
Millium wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:06 pm
Chamomile wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:04 pm lol there we go. I'll do those now Aro. Wasn't Lumi in this game?

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Skimmed through Porscha ISO and this is fine.
make sure u vote in the poll at the top of the page as well

Aaaanyway there is more there that I am not going to spoonfeed you if you literally open Millium's ISO.

@Millium congratulations you now also have a shield and are incontrovertible town.

Town

Nanook
Millium

POE

Lilypetal
Neon
Dyachei
Ilario
Belzy

We play find the town in the POE list here and I think that is how we win this game.
oh yeah i agree lmao thats good
a mainstay of ilarioXmac conversations is Ilario agreeing with Mac with pockety language
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:53 am team is neon rondo and todays vote on neon is just rondo trying to distance because he knows neon is never going over today
floats a Neon Rondo team
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:55 am
Chamomile wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:02 pm Wisp is obv town lol. Votes on him are very poor votes.
plus cham and aro feel good. if everyone is wrong then so be it
uses aro/cham reads to say Wisp is town
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:58 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:05 pm
Chamomile wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:04 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:02 pm
Chamomile wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:01 pm

No need you're fine.

Is there any reason why Lily isn't being voted for btw? Seems like she has TMIskies.
Lily is obvtown tier for me rn. The case is really good tol so thats why I directed you to it, so you harvest a townread on both me and Lily tbh
Case probably just comes from TMI. The Porsha defense isn't believable from town!lily perspective.
the porscha defense? i don't know if she's town but I haven't seen a good reason to SR her

I am going to want actual reasons if people are wagoning one of my fav people to play mafia with
i feel as though lilys defense of porcha is moreso personal based than for any actual read on porcha. which still makes it not wolfy for me
says my handling of porscha wasn't wolfy/from a place of TMI. He says this multiple times in the last 400 posts or so
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:15 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:13 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:12 am Belzy
Dya
Ilario

Are all entirely outed mafia.

The only question I have is which of Lily/Neon is the other one.
Given I was in the process of highlighting how it's always Lilypetal and Ilario was blatantly pushing Neon instead, and their entire gameplan appears to be to just powerwolf like there's no tomorrow, I'm gonna assume it's Lilypetal.

At any rate Nanook and Millium are never mafia. Nor is Ender. So we have three very firm town here now.
i agree with ur lock towns lol
sidesteps the suspicion with a slight pocket/agreeement
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:22 am Anyways I should probably not defend dya anymore cos if they’re town in sure they can defend themselves
tries to back away from defending dya as much after saying Ender's case was confbiased, I believe they're partners so this is probs to make it look less w/w
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:45 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:43 am If Ilario is town, he needs to figure out who the town is between Rondo and Dyachei right?
lily and neon i think?

ill probs take lily
Says I'm town. Wow thanks Ilario!
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:17 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:15 am Confbiasing or not I need to sleep.
i think ur both town still, if u think im town the optimal thing to do is just find the second wolf in ur world and solve outside of dya
Says ender (who cased dya as a wolf) and dya are both town. It's advantageous for w!ilario to try and pull aggro away from w!dya here and pocket Ender. Especially after Ilario repeatedly pushed Ender as an outed wolf for the first bit of today the lack of caution about ender's "confbiased case" on Ilario's TR Dya should be noted.
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:45 am i personally think lily already has and my own poe would be rondo/neon/wisp, doubt i can get everyone on board so mostly just posting for #thecred
This is Ilario talking to Mac about how I had "inno child'd" myself. Aww thanks glad you found me!! Puts a poe of Rondo/Neon/Wisp, which is interesting because he recently said Wisp was town sheeping Aro/cham?? hmm and why is Belzy suddenly no longer in contention for being a wolf anyway?
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:50 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:49 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:45 am i personally think lily already has and my own poe would be rondo/neon/wisp, doubt i can get everyone on board so mostly just posting for #thecred
I don't think lily outs her power like that and shoots a teammate as a wolf. It would have been easy to not claim anything like that at all. I also think the way neon has approached her makes them a difference check? Like she kept going on about her tinfoil on lily then just went all in.
yeah and i dont think lilys tx of porcha d1 is from somehow who has tmi on the slot. lily at worst is a 3p
touts the same "lily did not have tmi of Porscha" read and says at WORST I'm a 3p. Cool
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:09 am
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:06 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:56 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:54 am welp then nvm about this exercise LOL, lets just go for belzy
anyways, the team is rondo/wisp/belzy

after reading d1 again i wanna flip rondos slot the most today but ill leave it upto mac
*sip*

Team is Mac/Lily/Ilario

Book it

you can decide if I'm shit posting or not
if u out as 3p it makes my solve a lot more easier and i promise i wont ever vote you or rb you
Imo this is a clever little pocket. Even though Ilario floats Neon as a likely wolf he pivots when talking to her to "aha if you're a 3p this is easier for us I won't vote or rb you!" and this does two things
1) if she is a 3p it puts her closer into the w!ilario's pocket to snag a win
2) it's not calling her a wolf and it's a playful post that takes away from him literally scumreading her
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:32 am fk me the solve really is just rondo and wisp huh
Now that Neon is in thread he shifts to just Rondo and Wisp, almost like he knows Neon will be a necessary ally and causing her to deathtunnel him is -ev for wolves.
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:34 am neon thinking the team can be me/mac is pretty towny lol
Oh actually now that Neon is here and has a bad read she's towny. Complete disconnect from what we were seeing before
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:40 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:32 am fk me the solve really is just rondo and wisp huh
actually nah id say its leaning on rondo + lily >wisp for me

scratch what i said earlier im probs not gonna sheep macs reads lol, i know for a fact his gamestate is skewed really badly by trying to shove me and dya into a solve lol. i invested enough time in this to just take an L
Here we have the magnum opus. Look at these posts. Look at him say I am as good as a green checked town. I do not have TMI. I am not a wolf with Porscha. Now that Neon is here, he has nudged her out from his solve AND nudged Wisp further away to stick me into the solve. There is no progression I just go from basically confirmed town to a wolf, and then you can read every post from there where he treats me like an outed wolf. Ilario is not town. He never was town. He is the deepwolf. He is the powerwolf. We have been played this entire game.
@EnderWiggin @MacDougall @Neon @Millium @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @RondoDimBuckle

I'd like you all to read this post pls

You don't need to. I'm never getting off this Ilario scumread now. I'm riding it to Valhalla. But today we just chop Belzy and say goodbye to Mac.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:00 pm ill probably rb ender so we dont have to put up with nook speaking like an anime girl cos id rather just let a kp go through than have to deal with that

pretty obvious you're trying to get a miselim on a town off so you can just roleblock me

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:30 pm @MacDougall
If we vote outside betzy and hit town, what are u doing?
I still think this is stupid, but I'm gunna humor it

I'll be vigging the moon

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:50 am neon is oozing town rn

though mac thinks im a wolf and will probably sr neon and think im doing some 10000000 IQ play here haha

I love waking up to backread nothing but you dunking on me for no reason

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:24 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:02 am Rondo is never in any wolfteams with Ilario and Dyachei based on how they both tried to put him in the POE today which means he is probably just town mathematically (also he's towny).

I think the game comes down to figuring out whether Lily or Neon is with Belzy and Dya right now. Or whether it was just Ilario all along and both Lily and neon decided to openwolf to shield someone they both should know how to read.
I've literally never seen wolf Porscha and I've seen town porscha slank early

Dunno why you expected me to know how to read that better than I did.

sorry ... I suck at mafia

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