The Syndicate

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:59 pm Please don't flashwagon anymore

I was joking lol.

I for one blame Creature for his impending demise.

I am pretty convinced now he's flipping town but I'm not changing. This is how I felt watching Falcon go down day 1. I'm probably going to be blamed for this one as well even though it was a team effort. Sucks to be me.

FLASH WAGON LILYPETAL

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:53 pm if creature is town then it will be rather embarrassing but i think his play over the last 24 hours can be most accurately described as "anti-spew" and i do not think that him getting emotional and throwing a fit is alignment indicative for him

I think you're right but I am mostly struggling with the question "if Creature is mafia, where are his partners" and if the answer is "bussed him hours ago" I question why Creature is even in here posting lol.

It is me, I have bussed Creature for all the cred in the world. Nomnomnomnomn I love cred.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:53 pm I will note that Mac hasnt answered some of my questions to him on catchup but he may think they were answered inherently in the catchup so I will have to go over them with him tomorrow (If he survives)

Ask again bred.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:50 pm i do not think creature towntold over the last page

Your confidence is certainly giving me confidence. Confidence that you're a wolf bussing him. Ready for day 3 SPF?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:27 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:20 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:15 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:53 pm i am sitting here, eating chips, drinking a cold one, and musing about how mac, alison and spf dances around each other but seemingly ends up town reading each other
it is kinda cute tbh

this is very scummy

it's an inaccurate description of the game that seems to show a lack of understanding of the dynamics between us three but idk if it's wolf indicative

considering the timing of it, it feels like the kind of scattery shit on the towncore post a wolf says when teammates are floundering...

Boquise was shielding Creature until I told him Creature was outed mafia just before this and Boquise went from pushing a hard townread on Creature for meta reasons to just dropping it citing your walk back as a reason. I've never taken Boquise for one to just give up on a read he strongly believes in for any reason much less because Mac and SPF (who apparently he suspects enough to shade) tell him to.

idk you can do whatever. I guess you're getting the benefit of doubt for now. Still if you're alive D4 or D5 and hasn't got any pelt you're likely wolf.

You know you can actually easily distinguish between my wolfplay and townplay right? I've snowed a strong town exactly once in the past 4 years and it took an otherworldly effort. Otherwise I just kinda look obvious and die. Endlessly tinfoiling me if you're town doesn't help me read you man. It's just like Falcon. Like I take the hit to the ego for being wrong cuz you both die before me but you're playing terribly by treating town me this way if you are town. Remedy this if you are for next time please.

I guess this is the towniest thing I've seen from Mac.

And why is that townie?

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:46 pm I think creature and rondo are town

What does Rondo have to do with it.

Creature might flip town here. I'm not entirely convinced, but I never am. There are bad signs though for sure. I just wish if he was town that he was able to project being town through having rational and good solving sometime during the past 48 hours, as opposed to 13 minutes before EOD through ATE.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:40 pm Also don't ever dare to call me town in antispew after I flip. I've been putting all my thoughts in-thread. It's just really hard to pick wolves apart from wolfsiding town.

My biggest concern with you is that everything you've said has just been surface level and you've been shifting around from world to world to world. You haven't stopped to deeply analyse any one particular player really. You'll call someone town, then tinfoil they're mafia with no progression in between. It's made it near impossible as a town to view you as anything other than a wolf in antispew.

So if you are town I'd like it if you took the last few minutes to at least pause and leave a coherent legacy.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:34 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:31 pm So are we all in agreement that if Creature is a hit we turbo Neon day 3?

no, I would not read his spew, it got me to lat game in vulture

what spew?

he hard defended me in vulture and got himself lynched d2 to make us look unaligned, which spewed me clear

He hasn't hard defended Neon though.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:31 pm So are we all in agreement that if Creature is a hit we turbo Neon day 3?

no, I would not read his spew, it got me to lat game in vulture

what spew?

So are we all in agreement that if Creature is a hit we turbo Neon day 3?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:21 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:17 pm What's even the fucking point? You all will just lynch Alison D3 anyway. If she flips town we're then truly screwed.

I don't really see there being all that much of a chance that Alison can be town in worlds where you are town. The only thing Alison has done in this game that has not pinged me has been push you lol. If the only thing Alison has done in this game has felt townie was kill a town, she's probably just not one. And if you and Alison flip town, then we are somewhat obligated to sheep Alison on Porscha before doing much of anything else.

Like the worst case scenario for town is that all three of Creature, Alison and Porscha are town. If we do get to that stage of the game, there will be at least one player, if not two, that are sitting there in the gamestate, a wolf or wolves surrounded by sitting ducks. It's just on the ducks to gain sentience and recognise what they're looking at.

I think Porscha is town now. This is why I'm hoping Alison flips wolf. I guess we're pretty screwed otherwise.

Take me through your progression on Porscha. Why do you have her as town now?

@staypositivefriend @Boquise @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I don't really recall having seen Creature actually getting this panicked when run up. Is this more indicative of his town or mafia reaction to being wagoned?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:16 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:03 pm I'm still paranoid of Lilypetal. She feels like she could be coasting wolf alongside Neon.

You think a mafia team of Lily/Neon has snowed SPF, Mac, Alison, Creature, Nanook, Boq, Seanzie, Arogame etc. etc.?

Not SPF. I think SPF is wolf with them. Although I'm not exactly sure on any of them being wolf, it's just they're the most coasting players here.

Alison is tunneled.

Nanook is doing jackshit.

Idk what Seanzie is doing.

Arogame is fine but he's prob just sheeping the consensus.

Then there's you. I don't oppose your push on Boq ftr. I feel like you may have better reasons to push him than I do. I just hate feeling bad for pushing Boq because it derives mostly from paranoia than a concree case.

Why would SPF sell out her beautiful spot at the top of the towncore just to bury town Creature on day 2 when she could have just been content to sheep Mac pushing the idea that flipping Alison is game theory optimal? How can you have Alison town and SPF mafia from your perspective? What is the agenda for Mafia SPF to strongarm the chop onto you today over Alison at the cost of her own positioning?

Speak more about this read on Arogame also please.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:17 pm What's even the fucking point? You all will just lynch Alison D3 anyway. If she flips town we're then truly screwed.

I don't really see there being all that much of a chance that Alison can be town in worlds where you are town. The only thing Alison has done in this game that has not pinged me has been push you lol. If the only thing Alison has done in this game has felt townie was kill a town, she's probably just not one. And if you and Alison flip town, then we are somewhat obligated to sheep Alison on Porscha before doing much of anything else.

Like the worst case scenario for town is that all three of Creature, Alison and Porscha are town. If we do get to that stage of the game, there will be at least one player, if not two, that are sitting there in the gamestate, a wolf or wolves surrounded by sitting ducks. It's just on the ducks to gain sentience and recognise what they're looking at.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:15 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:36 pm Lilypetal is another player I'm kind of questioning too. This is roughly my progression on her this game:

Spoiler: show

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:38 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:44 pm hello i thought this started tomorrow oops

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:44 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:02 pmSILVERKEITH GOD

so true

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:45 pm i rolled town again luckily so i can have a relaxing stress free mafia experience

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:48 pm mafia team is nanook / lucy / seanzie thank me in post game

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:51 pmhewwo aro!

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:53 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:51 pm I'm here to meme.

wanna be 4th and 5th wolves together?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:53 pm what is multi tabbing

Lilypetal had the worst impression for me so far. Like staypositivefriend pointed out these posts all feel like trying to blend in and the hype behind these posts feel fake a lot like I ended up faking hype in the last mash by posting a lot of gifs.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:43 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:45 pm aww creatue beat me to it lol

Initiative

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:40 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:37 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:48 pm mafia team is nanook / lucy / seanzie thank me in post game

this post in particular felt a bit out of place and like the type of post i would make as a nervous wolf who felt pressured to join in on the meme posting but idk if i actually believe this

i've been making posts like this every game sadly

Also yeah this post sucks ass

It feels like typical wolf response for a push they deem wrong reasons

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:12 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:09 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:08 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:44 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:41 pm
Why do you think those folks are v (aside from Mac since you have already said why)

iirc i've only played vs w!creature and this creature is going about day 1 completely differently and seems to be like trying? so i just easily v read that

lucy's whole thing in every game I've played with her is that she doesnt make reads day 1 for some reason but it seems like she's dropping that and playing properly and I think you start doing that in a V game because it would only be a boon for wolfing

spf and aro just have good vibes that remind me of them towning, it's not like a proper read just like a very very slight lean

i'd say rn i'm confident in Creature/Lucy Town

aro/spf/mac TL

this post actives my fight or flight instincts

activates*

i think it's because: i've perceived lucy in the past as someone who is usually timid/reluctant about giving confident reads, especially early in the game, and also i find the gamestate right now kind of inscrutable and am finding it difficult to get many reads that i feel good about, and lucy forming so many reads effortlessly for shifty reasons makes me worry she's playing from a position of TMI and doesn't actually need to scumhunt

idk if Lilypetal having that many reads means much for her alignment. My main issue with her is that her posts feel forced and unnatural.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:00 am I still can see Lilypetal being wolf. They felt pretty stiffy/frozen/awkward/scared-at-posting whenever I saw them posting. Does anyone townread Lilypetal here?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:23 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:07 am yeah like tbh porscha is probably a wolf here i don't think her sidestepping my @'s for reads/talking to me are like super AI but her general play is incredibly stilted and I think she may just be a wolf here. Gonna park my vote there until she does something. Sorry porscha

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Why are you so apologetic here?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:29 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:30 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:16 am Mac only has 7 posts left. Who will defend me from all the meanie butts when you are gone Mac.

I'll defend you neon. all you had to say was ur doing a different playstyle lol and it makes sense

it just came off like u didnt care but i will pay more attention and I'm sorry for slightly doubting you

This feels pockety.

I wonder if I'm confbiasing Lilypetal wolf because of her playstyle because posts like this feel a lot performative.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:40 pm This is the most towny I have seen Lilypetal be this game regardless of Porscha's alignment.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:35 pm Now that Alison wagon is something: a bunch of players I would vote + Lilypetal.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:23 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:59 pm [VOTE: porscha] aubergine

I feel like wolf!Lilypetal would be aware switching votes at EOD would be pretty outing for her which makes me believe she would never do this as wolf considering her position was good at the time of this vote. I think this most derives from a town who panicked at falcon45ca leaving a towny post when it was already too late.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:37 pm Actually Neon's switch looks kinda weird considering before Lilypetal's switch to Porscha the wagons were 8-6 and Neon's switch would put it to 7-7.

Lilypetal's switch to a vanity wagon is so outrageously bad I doubt it ever comes from wolf.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:48 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:44 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:37 pm Actually Neon's switch looks kinda weird considering before Lilypetal's switch to Porscha the wagons were 8-6 and Neon's switch would put it to 7-7.

Lilypetal's switch to a vanity wagon is so outrageously bad I doubt it ever comes from wolf.

No?

TWTBW isn't a thing. Lilypetal's switch seemed to have been motivated more by a desire to avoid being on a town wagon than a genuine belief that it would improve the gamestate or lead to a better EOD flip.

Switching to a vanity wagon and risking a tie which is pretty antitown is objectively worse than staying oj a mislynch wagon. I just can't make it wolf!Lilypetal, who was like pretty safe at the end of the day, would suddenly make that vote switch that is objectively antitown and potentially outing for her, unless she had a stroke or something.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:32 pm We should prob focus on building a good towncore and narrow down the POE a little. I feel like we're too over the place.

My firm townreads last night were arogame123, Lilypetal, lucy and Neon.

I'm asking you all what do you make out of Lilypetal's and Neon's wagon movements yesterday which pretty much risked a nolynch. I thought Lilypetal switching to a vanity wagon was TWTBW and also I feel like she panicked when falcon45ca posted like a dying town EOD. Neon is roughly the same but I think she comes off as more robotic to me.

arogame123 really had some pretty solvy posts at some points. I only wonder if he is deeping here.

lucy I townread mostly for repeatedly posting the VC at yesterday's EOD. It just felt like something lucy wouldn't bother doing as wolf.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:05 pm Lilypetal's play here feels bizarre from a wolf perspective. Though sometimes I still get bothered that I'm noy used to Lilypetal playing like this. I wonder if it's Syndicate's behavior altering elixir in action.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:13 pm If I am lynched always kill Alison/Mac/SPF roughly this order. There should have 1-2 wolves here. If they're all town we deserve to lose because that would mean the strong player trinity all misplayed hard.

I guess I still read Lilypetal and Lucy as misplaying town. Lilypetal brings me some concern because I kinda didn't like her entrance and I'm seeing some things uncharacteristic to what I'm used of town!her but meh.

Which do you find more compelling? Her being town or her being wolf?

Holy shit no one ever gave a fuck when I posted this.

What do you mean by this? I just looked through these posts and I can see that you had Lily in your firm towncore alongside Neon at one point, and now you're just randomly floating them as a possible deepwolf pairing?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:03 pm I'm still paranoid of Lilypetal. She feels like she could be coasting wolf alongside Neon.

You think a mafia team of Lily/Neon has snowed SPF, Mac, Alison, Creature, Nanook, Boq, Seanzie, Arogame etc. etc.?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:46 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:36 pm i wonder if the solve is something like creature/neon/boq and im just bad at the game

What is your standout POE factoring out persuasion by others?

creature/seanzie/nanook/neon/rondo

Well I just listed 3 of these 5 in my confident townreads. Let me know your thoughts.

Town with relatively large amount of confidence

SPF - SPF's pattern in this game matches her town game. Not only in the fact that she's attracting her usual share of random tinfoil from others (including me) but also in her own play. One thing I will say is that if Creature is town I don't think SPF is ever mafia. SPF as mafia would not bury a townie the way they've buried Creature today. SPF is hyper conscious of her TMI as mafia and she would be far more inclined to feel the need to be right on Creature, especially given Creature did not begin the day a foregone conclusion for a chop. The ONLY way this play makes sense for SPF is if either Creature is her partner and she is bussing him, or Alison is her partner and she is selling out her optics hard just to get Alison to day 3. But that doesn't actually make sense either because her treatment of Alison has not been partner indicative. Now the key here is that Creature is probably mafia regardless of SPF's alignment. If SPF is mafia, this is probably a bus, and if she is town, well she's SPF and when she zones in on a read like this I've rarely ever seen it be wrong.

Lucy - I can't really point at one individual thing here from inside the game but I've just had the sense she's been town the entire time. For her to be mafia she'd need to be pocketing me hard as she kept saying things like "Mac will get us a pelt" on repeat. Outside of that she would need to have levelled her mafia range quite substantially to be one here as she has hardly been pushed by a single player, which just doesn't feel like wolf Lucy would have occur.

NANOOK - I have been dwelling on this for a while, and I think the summary I made about Nanook's end of day 1 is nearly clearing for him. Wolf Nanook playing the EOD the way that he did and landing on town Falcon after being positioned to gain a lot of cred from wolf Alison flip doesn't make any sense. If Alison was town, the eod didn't require Nanook to do anything and his focus on not ensuring a tie, while perhaps could just have been him hamming it up, I don't think it was. He has not played day 2 like someone with any agenda.

Seanzie - I just think he's obvious town, like his play has a major lack of TMI to it. He's going through his town Seanzie pattern and has been the entire game. Dude is a polarised noob.

Rondo - He's obviously been very "townie" on day 2 with his catch up and really making himself the central person in the game, and while I don't think that alone is outside his scumrange, it isn't likely to be the way I'd expect scum Rondo to play after subbing in to a slank slot and starting the game off trolling. One post he made that really felt town was when he told Seanzie about the time he snowed me and how orgasmic it was. Given I was strongly townreading Rondo at that point and he knew it, his mindset would have been that he was in the midst of snowing me x 2 and I doubt it ever occurs to him to reminisce about the time that he did if he was in the middle of doing it again. Feels like one of those dumb reads that are right.

Porscha - Porscha's known scumrange has been exceeded. It is possible that she is being pushed into this but I feel like for her to exceed her scumrange the way she is she'd need to have a dance partner. As much as it might seem strange I think Porscha is only mafia if Alison is mafia and the day 1 was a drama show. That said, I also feel like if Porscha was a wolf (and especially if Alison was one partner), that this day 2 would be going very differently for her.

I thiiiink.

In this game if the wolves were any 2 players from this list, that the game would be much easier for town.

Lucy, Lily, Neon, Porscha, Seanzie, Nanook, Rondo.

I think that if anyone in the list above is a wolf that it's only 1 of them. Otherwise you're assuming a wolfteam carrying 2 of these names has managed to snow a towncore of SPF, Mac, Alison, Boquise, Arogame. I'm not putting it entirely past them (like you're all good players), but the gamestate just doesn't feel like that to me because it's had a heightened intensity throughout and in this gamestate I would reckon that if there are 2 wolves in that group they'd both be more obviously scummy and being pushed. For that to be the case I would think that the most likely scenario is that it's Alison/Porscha + 1 and day 1 was full blown theatre.

Either we've got the team rather in check or we are largely being snowed I think. That is to say I don't believe there is much likelihood we are in a could go either situation. We're either about to stomp the wolves, or the wolves are some ridiculous team like SPF, Boq, Aro or something.

We obviously have to chop in Alison and Creature in either order. If the game progresses with no wolf-flips, each day it becomes more likely that these names contain mafia. SPF, Boquise, Arogame.

I have further thoughts in a further post.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:36 pm i wonder if the solve is something like creature/neon/boq and im just bad at the game

What is your standout POE factoring out persuasion by others?

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:28 pm I haven't townread boq at any point in this game

I have had him as town at points but he's good enough to fool me in sections. I'm proper perturbed by how abruptly he went from townreading Creature and pushing against the grain to voting Creature. And there was a tonal shift from townie to wolfy when he did it.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:27 pm Lynch me then lynch Alison then gl with overturning a 6v3

So you're back to being sure Alison is town again?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:27 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:20 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:15 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:53 pm i am sitting here, eating chips, drinking a cold one, and musing about how mac, alison and spf dances around each other but seemingly ends up town reading each other
it is kinda cute tbh

this is very scummy

it's an inaccurate description of the game that seems to show a lack of understanding of the dynamics between us three but idk if it's wolf indicative

considering the timing of it, it feels like the kind of scattery shit on the towncore post a wolf says when teammates are floundering...

Boquise was shielding Creature until I told him Creature was outed mafia just before this and Boquise went from pushing a hard townread on Creature for meta reasons to just dropping it citing your walk back as a reason. I've never taken Boquise for one to just give up on a read he strongly believes in for any reason much less because Mac and SPF (who apparently he suspects enough to shade) tell him to.

idk you can do whatever. I guess you're getting the benefit of doubt for now. Still if you're alive D4 or D5 and hasn't got any pelt you're likely wolf.

You know you can actually easily distinguish between my wolfplay and townplay right? I've snowed a strong town exactly once in the past 4 years and it took an otherworldly effort. Otherwise I just kinda look obvious and die. Endlessly tinfoiling me if you're town doesn't help me read you man. It's just like Falcon. Like I take the hit to the ego for being wrong cuz you both die before me but you're playing terribly by treating town me this way if you are town. Remedy this if you are for next time please.

This is how SPF feels except she's a ten times better wolf than me lol.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:20 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:15 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:53 pm i am sitting here, eating chips, drinking a cold one, and musing about how mac, alison and spf dances around each other but seemingly ends up town reading each other
it is kinda cute tbh

this is very scummy

it's an inaccurate description of the game that seems to show a lack of understanding of the dynamics between us three but idk if it's wolf indicative

considering the timing of it, it feels like the kind of scattery shit on the towncore post a wolf says when teammates are floundering...

Boquise was shielding Creature until I told him Creature was outed mafia just before this and Boquise went from pushing a hard townread on Creature for meta reasons to just dropping it citing your walk back as a reason. I've never taken Boquise for one to just give up on a read he strongly believes in for any reason much less because Mac and SPF (who apparently he suspects enough to shade) tell him to.

idk you can do whatever. I guess you're getting the benefit of doubt for now. Still if you're alive D4 or D5 and hasn't got any pelt you're likely wolf.

You know you can actually easily distinguish between my wolfplay and townplay right? I've snowed a strong town exactly once in the past 4 years and it took an otherworldly effort. Otherwise I just kinda look obvious and die. Endlessly tinfoiling me if you're town doesn't help me read you man. It's just like Falcon. Like I take the hit to the ego for being wrong cuz you both die before me but you're playing terribly by treating town me this way if you are town. Remedy this if you are for next time please.

I read Boquise's posts after be pivoted to Creature as being very performative and didn't vibe with them. Arogame and Lilypetal evidently thought they were the towniest shit ever and Creature even tho he's suspected Boq all game chooses now to relent. This game is weird and I'm not going to be too upset if we lose because if the mafia isn't at least one of Creature/Alison the wolves are playing super good.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:15 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:53 pm i am sitting here, eating chips, drinking a cold one, and musing about how mac, alison and spf dances around each other but seemingly ends up town reading each other
it is kinda cute tbh

this is very scummy

it's an inaccurate description of the game that seems to show a lack of understanding of the dynamics between us three but idk if it's wolf indicative

considering the timing of it, it feels like the kind of scattery shit on the towncore post a wolf says when teammates are floundering...

Boquise was shielding Creature until I told him Creature was outed mafia just before this and Boquise went from pushing a hard townread on Creature for meta reasons to just dropping it citing your walk back as a reason. I've never taken Boquise for one to just give up on a read he strongly believes in for any reason much less because Mac and SPF (who apparently he suspects enough to shade) tell him to.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:02 pm It's gonna be Neon + Lilypetal + staypositivefriend roughly this order. Maybe Mac instead of staypositivefriend.

Why not Boq?

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:53 pm i am sitting here, eating chips, drinking a cold one, and musing about how mac, alison and spf dances around each other but seemingly ends up town reading each other
it is kinda cute tbh

this is very scummy

I am now scumreading Boquise after catch up

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:20 am Is slamming Creature over Alison ever a good play? I feel like I really want to go him into Alison but I know I will get a lot of pushback so I hesitate to even bring it up. I just REALLY dont like creature right now

nah I'm down

bs catch up from an outed wolf gj

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:18 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:01 pm @staypositivefriend Why is aro town

why isnt he town?

@MacDougall I am still waiting for the answer to my question

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:43 am
Could you explain the difference check part? Is it just one is town and one is wolf because its unlikely two wolves would be on me? If so who do you think it is? I know who I would lean to

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:29 pm And also you're missing a vital point. Me not voting falcon gives him more of a chance of living because there's -1 on his wagon. I didn't hero save him out of fear but I did make the wagons closer.

I have hated every single response Lily has had to Aero's questioning. -1 to a tie is a terrible choice. You could have also not hero saved him because you wanted a tie and you are just claiming this after the fact. When I go back and read EOD1 again will you be there saying get off falcon or will you just slink away? POE for me

just straight up not gonna answer the question when you're in catch up and your whole worldview is yet to reach full form... just a waste of energy

Why don't you ask her.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:37 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:36 am No I have you as lock town

wooo, what was it?

A steady flow of posts I thought were towny capped off by sharing my suspicions and reacting the same way I was reacting to things in real time.

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:29 am

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:20 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:13 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:33 pm [VOTE: Boquise] aubergine

Alright wolves seem to have at least one player who would do a gamer kill. I have Boquise and Seanzie in mind.

I also feel like I could be wrong on my arogame123 townread the most.

@Creature - why on earth is boq your first thought for who would make a gamer kill in this position? what does wolf!boq gain from making a gamer kill with this type of gamestate? he was widely POE'd yesterday and nearly went over, and jack dying today would accomplish nothing other than eliminate a viable mischop and increase boq's odds of getting pushed on even more

Alright I think Boquise is more because I already suspected him yesterday than the nightkill thing. Though I also feel like wolf!Boquise could've easily made a weird kill to throw off town.

this is town!Creature

he has like a compulsion to sus me tbh

Nah man. He's outed mafia and has been in antispew for like 12 hours.

No I have you as lock town

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:46 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:21 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:40 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:27 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:25 pm People who have read the whole game and are not Creature/Porcha/SPF is that team viable?

That is the exact 3 people I have been pushing as my team solve for the past 10 pages.

Mac said you and he had a conversation about how in mountainous you need to resolve day 1 wagons. Are you saying you didnt have this conversation? Why are you trying to not go over so hard when you think that is the case? Why are you not trying to push Porcha?

I... what?

Since two people have been confused

Mac has said that Alison had a conversation with him that both day 1 slots need to be resolved in a mountainous game (I dont care about the details but its what they discussed so I will take it as fact its a meta thing and helpful to town, they're probably right)

Alison has been arguing with Mac all day and on a casual read I saw not one statement affirming the fact that indeed Alison feels that way and they indeed had that conversation but at the same time, not a single denial.

Considering the fact that Alison's stance at that point was contrary to the conversations they have had previously AND the fact that Alison called for a flash wagon (Though she does deny it but that is another conversation now that I am thinking about it again) which is also against her Meta it raises some red flags that were never directly dealt with.

Ergo if Alison does believe in that theory AND had that conversation with Mac why were they trying so hard to stay alive knowing it is in the best interest of town?

Secondarily IF this is the case AND she wants to self pres the best option is to push Porcha as she was one of the viable EOD wagons yesterday. It was just something interesting I noticed





As to her Flash wagon talk, she later claimed Seanzie said she is flash wagoning and in fact she was not but now that I have been typing this out in a larger brief I have realised she did not push Seanzie for claiming she was flash wagoning and has as far as I am aware not caused any flakk for him. Which to me shows a ++Equity for Alison/Seanzie when I KNOW Alison is eager to put anyone on blast for claiming she is doing something she doesnt do.

@Boquise here's my answer why Rondo lol

Don't solve whole game.

Kill wolf.

Then reassess.

And don't read the first wolf for spew.

Just reset.

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:37 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:30 am Nanook
Porscha
SPF
Boq
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

^ kinda think all of these are town lol

Would like succinct but persuasive reasoning for other players so I can make this big enough for my POE to kill the mafia lol

sell me on nanook and rondo tbh

sell me first on players outside of this list that you townread lol

Nanook
Porscha
SPF
Boq
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

^ kinda think all of these are town lol

Would like succinct but persuasive reasoning for other players so I can make this big enough for my POE to kill the mafia lol

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:11 am

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:02 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:58 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:57 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:47 pm i am getting mildly tilted by the gamestate but it's because i am partly grumpy and tired so im trying to hold my tongue

this gamestate is really quite horrible though

We'll prob end up (mis)lynching falcon45ca D1 again.

aren't u on Falcon rn tho? I am confused.

I'm kinda sheeping Mac and I also have a feeling falcon45ca is hitting his wolf tell of repeatedly pushing someone as if he had an agenda.

Though lynching falcon45ca D1 gives me deja vu of Halvosen Ridge where he was wolfread by reputable players D1 and ended up flipping town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:05 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:57 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:47 pm i am getting mildly tilted by the gamestate but it's because i am partly grumpy and tired so im trying to hold my tongue

this gamestate is really quite horrible though

We'll prob end up (mis)lynching falcon45ca D1 again.

I've seen that happen 1 time. I've seen him flip wolf about 10.

Yeah good spot, Creature with the blatant TMI and Mac with the blatant lack of it.

Still just think Alison and Creature are both mafia tbh

No idea. We chop Creature and figure that out later.

Creature voting off wagon on SPF is the most blatant antispew I've ever seen lol. SPF literally never going over today hahaha.

Like this is a done deal that is not a town.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:35 am

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:24 am Also @MacDougall, just curious, what happened to wanting to kill Alison today? I thought you were all for killing the cw from day 1?

Oh, no, you slaughtered me. I'll never recover.

Well you see, Alison has had a really good day and is largely coalescing with my solve now. SPF who is my top town is also really firmly townreading her. In the meantime Creature has had a shocker of a day and is offering no depth of solving, throwing out random readslist after readslist with no underlying thought and all of my town have picked up on it. So unfortunately for past Mac, I have become convinced that Creature is more likely to be a hit than Alison. But as per our previous discussion, I'm okay with being a hypocrite.

If I am wrong and Creature flips town, then we're going to have a nice fun dome between alison and mac on day 3 I take it.

But I will add that SPF, Alison and Mac all developing independent conviction that they are looking at town Creature makes the likelihood of that not being the case extremely low without at least one of us being mafia, so Creature's flip is probably now on par with Alison's in terms of information to gather.

It is interesting you assume that I make it seem like it is a bad thing when I am just questioning you lol.

I mean the thing is, Alison's win con if she is mafia is to get on ur side by agreeing with ur reads and that would make u feel much better about her. Like sure Creature does look a lot worse and admittedly looks like they are flailing throwing a bunch of sr around.

But the one thing I will say about Creature, is that it seems like he has basically 180'd his readlist from yesterday and is almost like throwing shade at majority of the players in this game, me included, and he is less appeasing people and more just going into chaos aorn. And I guess I might be saying he could be TWTBAW, but my main point is I don't see Creature's MO of trying to appeal to people when he continually and constantly throws shade at people the way he does.

Like you have me and Creature in your POE and I know you are at least wrong on me, and if Creature is mafia then great, we got one, but also it does seem a bit odd to me that when Creature starting getting heat when he did, he began to get a lot more traction and rather than appeasing, he just attacks everyone and just voting like a chicken with his head cut off.

I'll post my reads list/thoughts in a few.

Well you keep saying things like "it is interesting" and what not which are blatantly implying you think my behaviour is questionable. And then being like "lol i was just questioning you homie i don't think ur wolf for it" like over and over again. So if you're trying to actually imply that it's not obvious that you're shading me in the way you're responding to me then you're probably just outed mafia for it because what benefit is it to the town to repeatedly shade someone who you townread?

And Alison's win con if she is mafia is not that at all her wincon is to die on day 2 having successfuly spewed the other two wolves so deep that they can openwolf the rest of the game and just win it. Alison surviving day 2 and killing another town has far greater diminishing returns for the mafia team.

If Alison is mafia, the conversation in wolf chat overnight is "I'm probably dying so bus me hard and I'll do my best to otherwise survive". Yet... nobody really did that except me and I know I am town. That gives me pause and a half.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:44 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:27 am nanook idk why youre trying to discredit my read on you by bringing up that i didn't townread you last game lol, i haven't claimed to have a confident read on you in this game, and the fact that i was unable to find you as town in our last game is something i've been taking into account

you are in my POE because if i ask myself the question: "who today is trying to solve the game?", it's difficult for me to say that you are. your poe is mac/alison/porscha/lily/lucy, and i think that pool contains one wolf at maximum, but possibly zero. your presence has been minimal and i just haven't seen anything from you that rings as distinctly towny, if ur town and u want me to find you then you should try posting more tbh

i see there are some other posts that are directed at me but i probably won't answer them until tomorrow, im tired and trying to go to bed

Here's an argument for Nanook town.

If you are wolf Nanook and Alison is your teammate. Do you:

a) Vote her, leave it there, ride the credit for 5 day phases and probably just win
b) Vote the counterwagon sheeping Mac, point out how absurd the fact that Alison is going over day 1 is and probably easily avoid her being a wagon in the first place
or c) Vote her for most of the EOD and only flip when it looks possibly the worst by level 1, help vote out a LHF town that poses little threat and immediately put yourself in everyone's POE

I would suggest the answer is a or b or at least something closer to either than c, which would be what he did.

If you are wolf teammate and Alison is town. Do you:

a) Vote her, leave it there most of the EOD tilting all the strong players and making you look supremely bad in the process only to flip to Falcon, causing you to win no credit and kill a less threatening townie at the same time?
b) Vote her, leave it there and just peace out and hope she goes over
c) Vote the counterwagon sheeping Mac, point out how absurd the fact that Alison is going over day 1 is and pocket SPF, Mac, Alison and probably more players and then just push her on day 2 as the d1 counterwagon and hope town shruglynch her?

I would suggest that, again, b and c are much closer to what he'd do than a, which is what he did do.

That is to say that I think that the wolves, if Alison is town, are most likely

Putting there vote on her at some stage during the EOD and leaving it there until the very end not moving
or
Not present at EOD at all
or
put their vote on Falcon begrudgingly knowing that Alison is just more likely to survive and expecting that by voting her c/w you'd fall into her day 2 good graces

And if Alison is mafia, are most likely

Hard bussing her in a way that sets them up to gain THE most credit
or
Voting counterwagon and being otherwise slanky/non commital and just crossing fingers hoping Alison doesn't go over

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:27 am nanook idk why youre trying to discredit my read on you by bringing up that i didn't townread you last game lol, i haven't claimed to have a confident read on you in this game, and the fact that i was unable to find you as town in our last game is something i've been taking into account

you are in my POE because if i ask myself the question: "who today is trying to solve the game?", it's difficult for me to say that you are. your poe is mac/alison/porscha/lily/lucy, and i think that pool contains one wolf at maximum, but possibly zero. your presence has been minimal and i just haven't seen anything from you that rings as distinctly towny, if ur town and u want me to find you then you should try posting more tbh

i see there are some other posts that are directed at me but i probably won't answer them until tomorrow, im tired and trying to go to bed

Here's an argument for Nanook town.

If you are wolf Nanook and Alison is your teammate. Do you:

a) Vote her, leave it there, ride the credit for 5 day phases and probably just win
b) Vote the counterwagon sheeping Mac, point out how absurd the fact that Alison is going over day 1 is and probably easily avoid her being a wagon in the first place
or c) Vote her for most of the EOD and only flip when it looks possibly the worst by level 1, help vote out a LHF town that poses little threat and immediately put yourself in everyone's POE

I would suggest the answer is a or b or at least something closer to either than c, which would be what he did.

If you are wolf teammate and Alison is town. Do you:

a) Vote her, leave it there most of the EOD tilting all the strong players and making you look supremely bad in the process only to flip to Falcon, causing you to win no credit and kill a less threatening townie at the same time?
b) Vote her, leave it there and just peace out and hope she goes over
c) Vote the counterwagon sheeping Mac, point out how absurd the fact that Alison is going over day 1 is and pocket SPF, Mac, Alison and probably more players and then just push her on day 2 as the d1 counterwagon and hope town shruglynch her?

I would suggest that, again, b and c are much closer to what he'd do than a, which is what he did do.