The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:38 pm gg!

Stop yeeting me!

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:50 pm So as with just about all of my games, I have a few fun tidbits to share with you:

1) This game was inspired by the real-life mysterious demise of a group of Soviet trekkers in the Ural Mountains back in 1959. Check out the Dyatlov Pass Incident for a real chilling read!


2) I used real locations in Norway in my flavor. Jiehkkevárri is a real mountain in northern Norway, and I used Google Maps to try to find a good place for the fateful ridge, but I have no idea if the physical traits of the mountain match what I put into my story.


3) When researching Norwegian surnames, I found a great site/article with a ton of surnames that happened to be written by someone I went to college with. Freaky!


4) My spellcheck hated me quite a bit this game due to all the Norwegian names.


5) I very nearly gave away the solve! Early on I said that I would make your characters match your preferred pronouns. Well, in the Night 5 post, I mentioned Austad and Egner for the first time, and I listed their full names initially. Anyone canny enough to check the gender of Sissel would have learned it was a female name. I eventually caught my error, as leaving that information in the flavor would have made it apparent that the two remaining town members were comprised of one male and one female, thus clearing Fingersplints after Alison's chop.


6) I wasn't following the game very much at all. The mods, bless their hearts, were working in shifts to keep up with all the thread-spew, but I was too busy to read most of my own game! It's the most detached I've been as a host, but the mountainous setup allowed me more flexibility and freedom in the flavor.


7) Having hosted my first Mountainous game, I have now hosted every type of game on The Syndicate except for a Sit-Down special event game.


Thank you all for making this game possible! I thought I was going to take a break from hosting for the whole year, but the opportunity presented itself and it's been a lot of fun. Thanks to the mods for keeping track of things. Thanks to the players for taking purely vanilla setup and turning it into quite the adventure!


Until next time,
-G

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@Alison
@Boquise
@Creature
@DrWilgy
@Dyslexicon
@EnderWiggin
@falcon45ca
@fingersplints
@JaggedJimmyJay
@lucy
@MacDougall
@Marmot
@NateTheLesser
@RondoDimBuckle
@Seanzie

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:09 pm Thanks guys for being in my first forum wolf game

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:45 pm Creature, here's my struggle. You view a subset of four players receiving some suspicion: [yourself, Dizzy, falcon, Wilgy] -- you don't like the suspicion on yourself. Sure fine. You seem at least halfway open to falcon suspicion, and you null read the other two. Why is this a state of emergency

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:30 pmmAc BaD

Morning

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:03 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:10 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:23 pm I kinda think that there is a necessary auto period here.

Like there is a line and those below it have to all die before those above it because if the mafia are all above it the game is already over and we are wasting our time and that's very unlikely.

Line

Dyslexicon
Creature
Falcon
DrWilgy

For some reason I don't want to put Fingersplints below the line. I think Dyslexicon has the most chance of being town but I can't reasonably put him above it.

This post is just terrible and you all are completely ignoring how terrible this post is

I thought about these two a lot while I was shaving my head. I'd like to say more about this, but if possible I'd like to hear from @MacDougall about something first.

Mac, how serious was your suggestion in the post above?

I'm not sure why I thought I'd hear from Mac sooner, but I realized I probably won't get an answer from him until close to EoD, and should probably say what I was going to say before then since Creature is in contention.

Mac's post here is surface-level extremely bad. The idea of going on auto is IMO a very bad one, and I honestly can't imagine he is serious about it, possibly meant this as some sort of RT or trap or something. That being said, Creature's response to it feels out of place if Mac/Creature are t/w. I really just don't see Creature trying to go up against Mac in that situation. So, I think this possibly means that Creature is a wolf only if Mac is. As a consequence, Creature isn't exactly my favorite choice of vote today. I'll be on Falcon if Falcon v Creature wagons continue and there isn't some major thing that changes my mind.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:40 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:34 pm I don't know how I feel about falcon. His "gotcha" case on me, on one hand, was awful and reminded a lot of the Panda game where he came pushing me D4 and was caught as wolf for it. On the other hand it's really pissing it feels like only falcon and me are being considered for today's lynch and it makes me fear wolves are pushing us for t/t.

Okay. I wouldn't say it's just the two of you being considered, but regardless this is something to explore. I think falcon suspicion has been discussed with some depth already in this thread, but I am less clear where the group at large stands on you, Creature. @Alison, @MacDougall, @falcon45ca -- why is Creature the best vote?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:39 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:31 pm yeah, hell i used to bribe hosts to get good roles (such as sk and cult leader) because that was fairplay enough. very little if at all randing and certain players like myself had a high probability of being anti town or a town PR so they’d get lynched or NKed early. only thing that wasn’t fair play was screenshotting and telling another player your role in dms/leaking mafia team to a friend, or telling/getting your friends to leave the game because you died

That is the opposite of any Mafia I have ever known. My skin crawls.

I'm sure folks had fun anyway.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:10 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:23 pm I kinda think that there is a necessary auto period here.

Like there is a line and those below it have to all die before those above it because if the mafia are all above it the game is already over and we are wasting our time and that's very unlikely.

Line

Dyslexicon
Creature
Falcon
DrWilgy

For some reason I don't want to put Fingersplints below the line. I think Dyslexicon has the most chance of being town but I can't reasonably put him above it.

This post is just terrible and you all are completely ignoring how terrible this post is

I thought about these two a lot while I was shaving my head. I'd like to say more about this, but if possible I'd like to hear from @MacDougall about something first.

Mac, how serious was your suggestion in the post above?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:02 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:44 am falcon, what's your Mac read exactly? You've been picking apart his posts, but you don't seem like you're gearing up for a push. I struggle to see what you're getting at.

67% town, I don't think scum Mac would push my ML so hard. I'd say his gut feel is real, it's just wrong.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:20 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:18 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:24 am also i said my vote is fluid not the list jesus christ lol

Something vexes thee?

lol yes your transparent alignment... i just haven't got the fucks to give pretending like it goes beyond "is obvious" and all your prodding at me is just annoying me in the same way a parent tickling a child annoys the child

In this example it sounds like you're the child?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:24 am also i said my vote is fluid not the list jesus christ lol

Something vexes thee?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:12 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:23 pm I kinda think that there is a necessary auto period here.

Like there is a line and those below it have to all die before those above it because if the mafia are all above it the game is already over and we are wasting our time and that's very unlikely.

Line

Dyslexicon
Creature
Falcon
DrWilgy

For some reason I don't want to put Fingersplints below the line. I think Dyslexicon has the most chance of being town but I can't reasonably put him above it.

Why are you voting Creature currently, given I'm voting them, and you have him ranked higher in your list here?

list isn't in order

my vote is fluid

meh

What's the point of a list that is fluid, & that's out of order?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:23 pm I kinda think that there is a necessary auto period here.

Like there is a line and those below it have to all die before those above it because if the mafia are all above it the game is already over and we are wasting our time and that's very unlikely.

Line

Dyslexicon
Creature
Falcon
DrWilgy

For some reason I don't want to put Fingersplints below the line. I think Dyslexicon has the most chance of being town but I can't reasonably put him above it.

Why are you voting Creature currently, given I'm voting them, and you have him ranked higher in your list here?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:55 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:51 pm

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Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:48 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:42 pm

I'm around and catching up, I see some pings so I'll start there.

A few miscellaneous marbles that have been rolling around in my head in the meantime (these are just from memory, I can go back and find actual postnums if needed):

@JaggedJimmyJay - In your early post about things we should keep in mind for town success, was that just drawn from spectating this season or have you also played mountainous setups before?
Also I noticed that your "town leader" thread presence seemed to dip after Mac showed up (in my perception, anyway). Was that intentional, or am I just reading something into the vagaries of like, when people can be active in thread?

If Lucy's a wolf, I think she could be with Mac (but I don't think Lucy's a wolf). If Lucy's not a wolf, it's interesting to me that Seanzie picked her to focus on in Mac's list of town leans. @Seanzie - what was your thought process behind making sure Mac knew that Lucy had extensive discord mafia experience? (I also think it's interesting that Rondo +1'd Seanzie's fear that Lucy was being cleared too easily).

@lucy - Pretty early in Mac's thread entry, he said something in reply to you about your wolf partners, implying that you're a wolf. It seemed possibly like a reaction test to me, but there was no reaction. Did you see it at the time? He went on to townread you pretty soon after that so maybe it wasn't relevant anymore.

@MacDougall - How much have you played with Falcon? You seemed to vibe with my unease there, just wondering how much that's based on.

I had thought Lucy was new to mafia for a good part of the early game. Something Mac did made me think that maybe he had misread in the same way as me, so I let him know. I don't think I feared Lucy being cleared to easily; I think she is fine thus far. Instead, I think it is important for everyone to be playing with correct information so they can make the best decisions they can and to avoid misunderstandings that arise from misinformation.

Oh, I misread part of your initial post which made me not respond to something I should have.

As far as why I asked Mac about Lucy specifically was because Mac said something like "Everyone here has done something that I'd expect of them if they were town", and listed a bunch of people that I know Mac knows well, and then Lucy, which I thought it was very likely that Mac had never played with Lucy since I kinda doubt Mac plays discord games and I don't think he was in Champs. So Mac saying Lucy had done something he'd expect Lucy to do as if he had meta on Lucy raised a red flag in my brain.

This is a good point, Did Mac talk about it? I might have missed it

if not @MacDougall

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:42 pm

I'm around and catching up, I see some pings so I'll start there.

A few miscellaneous marbles that have been rolling around in my head in the meantime (these are just from memory, I can go back and find actual postnums if needed):

@JaggedJimmyJay - In your early post about things we should keep in mind for town success, was that just drawn from spectating this season or have you also played mountainous setups before?
Also I noticed that your "town leader" thread presence seemed to dip after Mac showed up (in my perception, anyway). Was that intentional, or am I just reading something into the vagaries of like, when people can be active in thread?

If Lucy's a wolf, I think she could be with Mac (but I don't think Lucy's a wolf). If Lucy's not a wolf, it's interesting to me that Seanzie picked her to focus on in Mac's list of town leans. @Seanzie - what was your thought process behind making sure Mac knew that Lucy had extensive discord mafia experience? (I also think it's interesting that Rondo +1'd Seanzie's fear that Lucy was being cleared too easily).

@lucy - Pretty early in Mac's thread entry, he said something in reply to you about your wolf partners, implying that you're a wolf. It seemed possibly like a reaction test to me, but there was no reaction. Did you see it at the time? He went on to townread you pretty soon after that so maybe it wasn't relevant anymore.

@MacDougall - How much have you played with Falcon? You seemed to vibe with my unease there, just wondering how much that's based on.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:41 am something tells me that if I'm wrong about Rondo it won't matter lol

What does this mean? >_>

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:29 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:19 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:16 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:37 pm I know it is only day 0 and I know I've not actually seen Jay as scum, but kinda okay calling Jay town right now and not worrying about it for at least like 20 minutes or so.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:41 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:40 pm It is a read.

Werd. What gives me away, Seanzie?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:46 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:41 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:40 pm It is a read.

Werd. What gives me away, Seanzie?

I mean, your general approach is helpful, and even though I kinda think you'd do that as either alignment as it would be expected of you, I'll still give marginal townpoints to people townsiding early on even if it is in their wolf range, but your approach to (and around) Lucy looks good, in particular this post:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:17 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:13 pm I play casually every game, even when I Should be competitive. What about you? You seem to be taking this PREEETY serious

Does lucy taking the game PREEETY serious mean something to you?

Something about the combination of snideness, curiosity and pushing the game forward in this post is enough that town bells rang in my head.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:47 pm Thanks for the answer, Seanzie. No immediate gripes.

All of this sticks out to me as a difference check between JJJ & Sean. Sean gives him a TR, that's hedged w/ "but he'd do it regardless of alignment", and JJJ is cool with that....it reeks, somebody isn't playing w/ straight dice

interesting you frame it this way and not just outright sus of seanzie given your already stated townread on Jay and scumread on Seanzie?

Yeah, I don't think they're both wolves, & JJJ has done other things I find more in line with his town play.





What does your world look like when I'm town? You've already admitted you had an immediate scum vibe off me, have you considered you're confbiasing?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:16 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:37 pm I know it is only day 0 and I know I've not actually seen Jay as scum, but kinda okay calling Jay town right now and not worrying about it for at least like 20 minutes or so.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:41 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:40 pm It is a read.

Werd. What gives me away, Seanzie?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:46 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:41 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:40 pm It is a read.

Werd. What gives me away, Seanzie?

I mean, your general approach is helpful, and even though I kinda think you'd do that as either alignment as it would be expected of you, I'll still give marginal townpoints to people townsiding early on even if it is in their wolf range, but your approach to (and around) Lucy looks good, in particular this post:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:17 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:13 pm I play casually every game, even when I Should be competitive. What about you? You seem to be taking this PREEETY serious

Does lucy taking the game PREEETY serious mean something to you?

Something about the combination of snideness, curiosity and pushing the game forward in this post is enough that town bells rang in my head.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:47 pm Thanks for the answer, Seanzie. No immediate gripes.

All of this sticks out to me as a difference check between JJJ & Sean. Sean gives him a TR, that's hedged w/ "but he'd do it regardless of alignment", and JJJ is cool with that....it reeks, somebody isn't playing w/ straight dice

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:15 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:11 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:48 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:44 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:39 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:48 am

I do not, but I do believe that town Mac would allow for more data before gauging someone he has a track record of reading correctly.

That is what's throwing me off. Your conclusion was drawn far more quickly than I'd expect.

However, the gusto I feel from your posts is in line to how I perceive town Mac. It is quite the contradiction.

Do you, Mac, feel as if your ability to read me has shifted at all in the past year? If so, do you feel it has improved or declined?

Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh

The error here is that Mac doesn't bull fake reads and if he does, he will often give up the act shortly. For the tunnel to exist, his read had to at least exist in partial.

Unfortunately for us, in further reading his posts so far, I think he's town, just, well, as the kids would say, "a dingus" in regards to his read on me.

I don't understand why you go to such an extent to call me a dingus for scumreading you here? What purpose does it serve?

Just a means of saying you are wrong. Perhaps my use of young folk language came off too hard. I hope you are well aware of my love and admiration of you Mac.

Lol idc about the insult. I just find it weird that you are going on the attack over it. Like me making an incorrect read is nothing but meh. You're putting more emphasis on it than I feel it would deserve if it were just plain wrong.

Because I keep wavering on you my friend. I feel as if I have failed to read you correctly for a while now, and I'm not sure why.

It is somewhat frustrating to be honest, and I expect better of my read on you, so do forgive the passion I put into solving your slot this game.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:10 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:09 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:57 am I also don't think a team of DrWilgy and falcon would both attempt to simultaneously scumread a town!Mac (in this gamestate).

yes they would and have done

This would in fact, be very funny.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:48 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:44 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:39 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:43 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:41 am Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*

So do you think that town Mac should be townreading you for your play prior to this post? If so can you show me the parts where you've towntold to a degree where you'd expect me to notice?

I do not, but I do believe that town Mac would allow for more data before gauging someone he has a track record of reading correctly.

That is what's throwing me off. Your conclusion was drawn far more quickly than I'd expect.

However, the gusto I feel from your posts is in line to how I perceive town Mac. It is quite the contradiction.

Do you, Mac, feel as if your ability to read me has shifted at all in the past year? If so, do you feel it has improved or declined?

Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh

The error here is that Mac doesn't bull fake reads and if he does, he will often give up the act shortly. For the tunnel to exist, his read had to at least exist in partial.

Unfortunately for us, in further reading his posts so far, I think he's town, just, well, as the kids would say, "a dingus" in regards to his read on me.

I don't understand why you go to such an extent to call me a dingus for scumreading you here? What purpose does it serve?

Just a means of saying you are wrong. Perhaps my use of young folk language came off too hard. I hope you are well aware of my love and admiration of you Mac.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:57 am I also don't think a team of DrWilgy and falcon would both attempt to simultaneously scumread a town!Mac (in this gamestate).

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:44 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:39 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:43 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:41 am Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*

So do you think that town Mac should be townreading you for your play prior to this post? If so can you show me the parts where you've towntold to a degree where you'd expect me to notice?

I do not, but I do believe that town Mac would allow for more data before gauging someone he has a track record of reading correctly.

That is what's throwing me off. Your conclusion was drawn far more quickly than I'd expect.

However, the gusto I feel from your posts is in line to how I perceive town Mac. It is quite the contradiction.

Do you, Mac, feel as if your ability to read me has shifted at all in the past year? If so, do you feel it has improved or declined?

Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh

The error here is that Mac doesn't bull fake reads and if he does, he will often give up the act shortly. For the tunnel to exist, his read had to at least exist in partial.

Unfortunately for us, in further reading his posts so far, I think he's town, just, well, as the kids would say, "a dingus" in regards to his read on me.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:39 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:34 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:30 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...

Oh okay you have them as town now. I am kinda confused on the read progression tbh

Like did I misunderstand or did you not scum read Seanze, Lucy and Alison? What changed?

What a cringe term read progression is lol.

Seanzie i joke voted.
Lucy i just pushed off her entry in an over exaggerated manner.
Alison i thought was sus for pushing Rondo.

I then proceeded to reevaluate based on reading more content.

Why do you need to know why my read changed? Why do people always fixate on my reads changing like it's AI... It's so asinine lol.

I'd believe your initial vote on me was a joke, but then someone gave townreads including me and two others, and you said something like "well those are all my initial scumreads". How does this fit if it was a joke?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:33 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:17 am The way I see this game is fairly simple.

Mac and JJJ are both playing to their obvious town power town selves. I think they are very likely just town but even if they are I suspect they are townsiding for now because they are bringing down a lot of unnecessary bad attention if they shove blatantly bad reads down our throat here. So either way their reads are probably going to be good D1.

I am likely going to prioritize hammering on the reads we have in our Venn diagram overlap as those are the most likely to be hits. If we don't get pelts after a bit it will be obvious something is rotten.

As mentioned earlier, I find Boquise, Wilgy and Lucy townie in addition to JJJ and Mac. I am hands off Rondo for now in deference to Mac's read. Nate feels like someone a little out of their depth but trying to do the best he can to be part of the solving which I think is a pretty okay place to be in.

Seanzie has been ~fine. He started off a little weaker than usual but his ISO of me was decent. I wouldn't put him in my town squad but I don't really have interest in a Seanzie exe today.

I interpreted Ender's cryptic approach to Seanzie earlier as a way to fish for reactions with him like he did with JJJ but he hasn't really followed through on that promise which leaves me wondering why he did it. I am also unnerved by how hands-off he is with Rondo, who he knows well and even gave advice on how to read. It's weird that me and Mac have a stronger read on Rondo than the guy who knows him the best.

Loosely, I have a POE pool of Falcon, Creature and Ender. The afks remain null, maybe bump Dizzy a bit higher since he is more shameless about lurking when he is town and feels obligated to try a bit harder as scum.

The fact that I know him best and am not making a read should tell y'all to be more careful.

I actually do think Mac is right for now but Mac's confidence is very strong. I can tell you 100% that Rondo could fake this D1 as wolf, with the caveat that he hasn't wolfed in forum yet and I know he's not 100% confident he can do the same level of fakery first try.

But that being said he's very capable of it irl so benefit of the doubt means I'm wary to trust anything I'm not confident is town indicative of him.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:05 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:04 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:04 am Boquise feels like he is playing in a lonely manner. If he flipped scum I would be at a loss for figuring out who his accomplices are. He gives me the impression of someone popping in and trying to piece together a worldview by himself. This is townie.

Marmot and Fingersplints lol

Does this feel like a thread that has been left untouched by the presence of wolves?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:04 am Boquise feels like he is playing in a lonely manner. If he flipped scum I would be at a loss for figuring out who his accomplices are. He gives me the impression of someone popping in and trying to piece together a worldview by himself. This is townie.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:00 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:52 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:59 pm Alison looks towny, JJJ looks towny




Sean's a wolf

This post is scummy for Falcon... these reads are agenda laden regardless of what Alison and Jay's alignment is (can be t/w or t/t).

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:00 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:59 pm Alison looks towny, JJJ looks towny




Sean's a wolf

why why why

It's how I'm reading your playstyle, your vibes.



t's the approach Alison has, her posting has a questioning solvey method, that doesn't feel like it's pushing an agenda. You have a similar feel, like you're working on solving the game.



Sean feels...stiff, awkward.

words... that mean nothing

What really did it was his spree of just asking aimless questions of why people had the reads they had that I can already see he has no intent in following up on lol.

eg., town Falcon doesn't give a shit about why EnderWiggin would vote Fingersplints lol.

I don't really see the agenda in just throwing out naked reads.

I agree with you that the second post seems a little shallow in hindsight. My opinion of falcon has shifted down. Partially because of this and partially because I felt he treated my push on Rondo oddly. He doesn't react to it at first, then when Seanzie and Mac come along criticizing it for stirring up a chaotic player, he argues that it's something I would do as either alignment. Then later on says that he townread me less because of it.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:56 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:39 am Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh

I am pretty sure Mac is town here and I have a lot of experience with him. Even if he is scum he is probably townsiding/bussing so I am going to sheep his reads this day phase tbh.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:54 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:53 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:50 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:34 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:30 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...

Oh okay you have them as town now. I am kinda confused on the read progression tbh

Like did I misunderstand or did you not scum read Seanze, Lucy and Alison? What changed?

What a cringe term read progression is lol.

Seanzie i joke voted.
Lucy i just pushed off her entry in an over exaggerated manner.
Alison i thought was sus for pushing Rondo.

I then proceeded to reevaluate based on reading more content.

Why do you need to know why my read changed? Why do people always fixate on my reads changing like it's AI... It's so asinine lol.

It is more that it is a good place to start tbh!
Reads come from somewhere, even if just gut, and asking you about your reads help me solve you, and if I find you to be town, your reads could potentially help me find other town tbh

I notice some defensiveness here Macyboi tbh. I didn't mean it to be "AI".

You just annoy me ever since I read you saying that you don't like how I play. Because you said that and then repeatedly show me evidence that you have no idea how I play and your appraisal of my play is over simplified to a terrible degree.

Hey lets not get personal. Im no mod tho, so go for the throat

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:50 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:34 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:30 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...

Oh okay you have them as town now. I am kinda confused on the read progression tbh

Like did I misunderstand or did you not scum read Seanze, Lucy and Alison? What changed?

What a cringe term read progression is lol.

Seanzie i joke voted.
Lucy i just pushed off her entry in an over exaggerated manner.
Alison i thought was sus for pushing Rondo.

I then proceeded to reevaluate based on reading more content.

Why do you need to know why my read changed? Why do people always fixate on my reads changing like it's AI... It's so asinine lol.

It is more that it is a good place to start tbh!
Reads come from somewhere, even if just gut, and asking you about your reads help me solve you, and if I find you to be town, your reads could potentially help me find other town tbh

I notice some defensiveness here Macyboi tbh. I didn't mean it to be "AI".

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:59 pm Alison looks towny, JJJ looks towny




Sean's a wolf

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:00 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:59 pm Alison looks towny, JJJ looks towny




Sean's a wolf

why why why

It's how I'm reading your playstyle, your vibes.



t's the approach Alison has, her posting has a questioning solvey method, that doesn't feel like it's pushing an agenda. You have a similar feel, like you're working on solving the game.



Sean feels...stiff, awkward.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:47 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:46 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:44 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:08 am switching my vote to falcon

i was thinking about doing it earlier

i think wilgy is sus but i think falcon is sussier

I haven't felt swayed on falcon in one direction or the other since I gave my initial read on him.

Wilgy is in my POE.

I'd just like to point out, again, that I have been right on Falcon dating back about 20 games straight, as multiple alignments, including correctly reading him as independent once.

I have a good track record of reading Falcon too.

What's your case on him? Just what Nate said?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:47 am I think Mac is town and he is projecting the "I'm going to be power town Mac and walk over everyone" vibes this game so I am not sure why someone who usually plays a quiet game would suddenly feel inclined to pick a fight if he were scum. The indignation there feels sincere even if his solving has been shallow (which is why I initially POE'd him).

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:44 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:08 am switching my vote to falcon

i was thinking about doing it earlier

i think wilgy is sus but i think falcon is sussier

I haven't felt swayed on falcon in one direction or the other since I gave my initial read on him.

Wilgy is in my POE.

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:41 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:39 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:11 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...

In what capacity do you know Lucy?

nothing more than a second game forum player second high posting and offering endless readable takes

I don't believe in townreading discord mafia players for spamposting about out of game stuff.

Think the latter reason is fine. I'm with you on the conclusion.

@MacDougall if you ever get to my last message you’ll realize everyone read me for different things, you included. i don’t think the best dc mafia player could fake all of that without any very bad posts

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:41 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:32 am

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:23 am besides rondo I like this lobby

Rondo is cool. He's just an acquired taste. And you have to have a very refined palette.

How confident is your townread on Rondo?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:37 am I'd probs bet actual money Rondo is town here.

I do like to gamble though. But I'm pretty confident lol.

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:39 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:43 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:41 am Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*

So do you think that town Mac should be townreading you for your play prior to this post? If so can you show me the parts where you've towntold to a degree where you'd expect me to notice?

I do not, but I do believe that town Mac would allow for more data before gauging someone he has a track record of reading correctly.

That is what's throwing me off. Your conclusion was drawn far more quickly than I'd expect.

However, the gusto I feel from your posts is in line to how I perceive town Mac. It is quite the contradiction.

Do you, Mac, feel as if your ability to read me has shifted at all in the past year? If so, do you feel it has improved or declined?

Maybe Mac plays differently here, but my expectation of town Mac is that he creates reads by tunnelling a player and looking at what ripples that causes in the thread. Basically going in with a machine gun and "100% sure someone is scum". So your first sentence doesn't really vibe with my experience tbh