The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:49 pm Oh hey we did it!!! Great job everyone.

Thanks for putting up with the fake red check KZA. I do think that gambit took the wind out of the traitor's sails a little bit.

I concur though it was dicey doing that in a hammer game lol

I wonder how this game would have gone as a mountainous setup lol.

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:41 am Yo. I'll be ready to play in an hour.

My favourite post in this game

alright then lol

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:47 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:43 pm Yeah so I was gonna make awards and whatever stuff for this game.
Like Banners.
But after I realized on how town sided this setup is I decided not to but I will do it in future games.

Anyway TonyStarkPrime has been executed! He was the Anti-Day Cop Traitor

Town Wins!
I'm not entirely sure it's that townsided honestly. How would the game have gone if say 112, Mac, Marmot, Sparky were the traitors?
if the setup has no roles it's pretty clearly townsided and even if the day cop is just an innocent child that removes any potential problems from the exile mechanic

I think it was townsided but it looks more townsided than it really is because the town played pretty good

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:51 pm I don’t have meme creator but.

Vote Scum (Blue) (-) Tunnel Mac (Red)

**Sweating**

Tunnel Mac!

lol yes...

was there a spec/dead chat for this?

@MissSparkles the game is over you can stop tunneling me now.

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:45 pm teamwork makes the dream work

you did it kza

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:43 pm Yeah so I was gonna make awards and whatever stuff for this game.
Like Banners.
But after I realized on how town sided this setup is I decided not to but I will do it in future games.

Anyway TonyStarkPrime has been executed! He was the Anti-Day Cop Traitor

Town Wins!

I'm not entirely sure it's that townsided honestly. How would the game have gone if say 112, Mac, Marmot, Sparky were the traitors?

@JaggedJimmyJay close this sumbitch down

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:25 pm I very nearly snap conceded as soon as I subbed in but I just subbed into a game with a near unachievable win condition where I outed nearly immediately (which I maintain was almost reasonable) and I didn’t want to get into a habit. I think I could have dragged this out a few more days but it’d be miserable and I just don’t want to put in the work for what is an inevitable loss

fair enough too!

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:39 pm TSP if you flip town I won't be mad because yeeting TSP is always funny

be funny if it was just his way of getting off the ride

just need one more to hammer

thank you tsp .... or should I say tsg

quick hammer tsp hes conceded

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:25 pm vote: tsp

I believe he’s here

oh nice

quick hammer wiml exile plz

My brain is bleeding and spaghetti is coming out of my nose.

You're tilting me so hard Sparky...

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:12 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:10 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:08 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:06 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:04 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:03 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:02 am

What!? Again just not answering?
Where is the question?
You really had nothing to say about the traitor strategy for this gamestate??
The traitor strategy for this gamestate is to be KZA or lose the game.
The goal is to get too being the KZA and chopping everyone ekse like it’s your factional kill along the way.
Sparky. I do not give a fuck if I am first to die as long as Wiml and KZA are in the f3. Literally. Zero fucks.
YOU DON’T GET TO DECIDE THIS YOURSELF NO MATTER WHO YOU THINK YOU ARE/TOWN AS A WHOLE MAKES THAT DECISION NOT JUST YOU.

Please stahhhhp.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:09 am How is me townreading the Murphy guy scummy? The dude was just completely whatever. And I wouldn't have known he was a traitor even if I was one. Your points of concern don't make any sense.

I'd probably be more bothered by them but you're not endgaming anyway so if all of this is you attempting to endgame as the anticop its an exercise in futility.
His post were clearly from a first time scummer playing with no teammates to guide him, did you even read them?

I read the first couple and found them delightful. But then he said some dumb shit about me being bad so I just let him die.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:09 am Let’s just end the game right now if we’re just gonna bet it on KZA?

Our final two is KZA/Marmot, did we win @Gavial

I'd rather fast forward to an f3 just in case KZA and Wiml does contain the wolf because then they'd still have to survive an f3 with an outed town Marmot.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:08 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:06 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:04 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:03 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:02 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:00 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:00 am

Cool. I’m gonna leave the same legacy if I happen to flip first. Wait, I can’t cause no one has ever played with me before do they won’t just comply. This is why you’re wolf, posts like this are the only way you’ll get a town to think you’re tiwn.

Ou he wants to he chopped eventually; so towny, then it never actually happens, town lose and they ask themselves why every single time, i’ve seen it with Magic, Dizzy and Myself numerous times to know what the play is here to look town.
*Benny Hill theme*
What!? Again just not answering?
Where is the question?
You really had nothing to say about the traitor strategy for this gamestate??
The traitor strategy for this gamestate is to be KZA or lose the game.
The goal is to get too being the KZA and chopping everyone ekse like it’s your factional kill along the way.

Sparky. I do not give a fuck if I am first to die as long as Wiml and KZA are in the f3. Literally. Zero fucks.

How is me townreading the Murphy guy scummy? The dude was just completely whatever. And I wouldn't have known he was a traitor even if I was one. Your points of concern don't make any sense.

I'd probably be more bothered by them but you're not endgaming anyway so if all of this is you attempting to endgame as the anticop its an exercise in futility.

More live scenes from Sparky's house

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:04 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:03 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:02 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:00 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:54 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:52 am

So why does a thunder dome here lead to my death? As a traitor.

Because you’ll eventually flip town and i’m doomed, what makes u think i can’t talk my way out of it?
Because before I die I will demand the rest of these players ignore everything you say and just blindly chop you and in this gamestate they will just comply.
Cool. I’m gonna leave the same legacy if I happen to flip first. Wait, I can’t cause no one has ever played with me before do they won’t just comply. This is why you’re wolf, posts like this are the only way you’ll get a town to think you’re tiwn.

Ou he wants to he chopped eventually; so towny, then it never actually happens, town lose and they ask themselves why every single time, i’ve seen it with Magic, Dizzy and Myself numerous times to know what the play is here to look town.
*Benny Hill theme*
What!? Again just not answering?
Where is the question?
You really had nothing to say about the traitor strategy for this gamestate??

The traitor strategy for this gamestate is to be KZA or lose the game.

Live scenes from Sparky's house

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:02 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:00 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:54 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:52 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:43 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:38 am

Because traitor sparky has zero to gain from pushing me the way that you are. At this point you would know I am town due to all the other traitors being dead. Therefore your essentially just creating a thunderdome between a town and yourself that will invariably lead to your death.
Welp if that’s all it would take then being scum here will be eazy peazy.
So why does a thunder dome here lead to my death? As a traitor.

Because you’ll eventually flip town and i’m doomed, what makes u think i can’t talk my way out of it?
Because before I die I will demand the rest of these players ignore everything you say and just blindly chop you and in this gamestate they will just comply.
Cool. I’m gonna leave the same legacy if I happen to flip first. Wait, I can’t cause no one has ever played with me before do they won’t just comply. This is why you’re wolf, posts like this are the only way you’ll get a town to think you’re tiwn.

Ou he wants to he chopped eventually; so towny, then it never actually happens, town lose and they ask themselves why every single time, i’ve seen it with Magic, Dizzy and Myself numerous times to know what the play is here to look town.
*Benny Hill theme*
What!? Again just not answering?

Where is the question?

Wisdom wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:01 am Sparks is very much in a tunnel on mac tho, lol

She still mad I claimed cop I think.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:54 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:52 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:43 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:38 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:31 am

I don't care about semantics. Pushing me, hard, incorrectly, tunneling. Call it whatever.
Semantics are important when you consider your opinion is valued here, I’ve been open too other targets.

Why am I so towny to you? I’m generally not read town a lot except by scum trying to pocket me; just ask Dizzy.
Because traitor sparky has zero to gain from pushing me the way that you are. At this point you would know I am town due to all the other traitors being dead. Therefore your essentially just creating a thunderdome between a town and yourself that will invariably lead to your death.
Welp if that’s all it would take then being scum here will be eazy peazy.
So why does a thunder dome here lead to my death? As a traitor.

Because you’ll eventually flip town and i’m doomed, what makes u think i can’t talk my way out of it?
Because before I die I will demand the rest of these players ignore everything you say and just blindly chop you and in this gamestate they will just comply.
Cool. I’m gonna leave the same legacy if I happen to flip first. Wait, I can’t cause no one has ever played with me before do they won’t just comply. This is why you’re wolf, posts like this are the only way you’ll get a town to think you’re tiwn.

Ou he wants to he chopped eventually; so towny, then it never actually happens, town lose and they ask themselves why every single time, i’ve seen it with Magic, Dizzy and Myself numerous times to know what the play is here to look town.

*Benny Hill theme*

Order of 86es as per my current brain

Gira
Long Con
TSP
Mac
Sparky
Creature
Wisdom
Wiml
KZA

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:55 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:49 am I would personally stake the game on Wiml over KZA but they are both probably just town.
See I’d stake the game on Wiml too.

Wiml/Wisdom.

Why is wisdom town?

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:57 am
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:56 am Why is Wiml being so townread? I only know them from the plan but that's a thing traitor could still do.
I feel like I've done almost nothing this game lol.

Nothing scummy since you were insanely townie.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:56 am Why is Wiml being so townread? I only know them from the plan but that's a thing traitor could still do.

Ur cray. Wiml town. Always.

Wiml essentially started the game fully transparently trying to figure out the correct tactics to solve it. Then just has done nothing scummy at all.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:55 am I think we'll prob have to do TSP?

I'd flip gira first.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:54 am Aw man idk what to do next

It doesn't fucking matter as long as KZA and Wiml are town. Exile wiml next. Chop me and then follow my list if the host won't do it for us.

I'll literally leave a legacy of who to chop in order and put you first just to prove a point.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:52 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:43 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:38 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:31 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:30 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:25 am @MissSparkles here is why I flopped on you.

1. You keep tunneling me which triggers my default desire to omgus.
2. You seem so obviously townie aside from that so every time I backread I get a townread.

Net result. Flip flop.
Fair. I’m not really tunneling though, sure, you’re at the top of ny list but I’ve literally just considered everyone, how is that tunnelling?
I don't care about semantics. Pushing me, hard, incorrectly, tunneling. Call it whatever.
Semantics are important when you consider your opinion is valued here, I’ve been open too other targets.

Why am I so towny to you? I’m generally not read town a lot except by scum trying to pocket me; just ask Dizzy.
Because traitor sparky has zero to gain from pushing me the way that you are. At this point you would know I am town due to all the other traitors being dead. Therefore your essentially just creating a thunderdome between a town and yourself that will invariably lead to your death.
Welp if that’s all it would take then being scum here will be eazy peazy.
So why does a thunder dome here lead to my death? As a traitor.

Because you’ll eventually flip town and i’m doomed, what makes u think i can’t talk my way out of it?

Because before I die I will demand the rest of these players ignore everything you say and just blindly chop you and in this gamestate they will just comply.

Wisdom wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:50 am I'm not that good at reading you either mac, although I am leaning you town. I'm at a loss on who the last wolf is though, which is a given, considering the situation. I have a thought on how I could catch them but I'm currently not willing to put in the effort.

You don't need to catch them you just need to be confident in at least 1 person not named Marmot being town.

Unless someone wants to genuinely argue with rapid firing our way to KZA/Wiml/Marmot F3. I say we just tell the host to flip us all. I am already annoyed that the last traitor is slow rolling in a virtually unwinnable scenario.

I would personally stake the game on Wiml over KZA but they are both probably just town.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:43 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:38 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:31 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:30 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:25 am @MissSparkles here is why I flopped on you.

1. You keep tunneling me which triggers my default desire to omgus.
2. You seem so obviously townie aside from that so every time I backread I get a townread.

Net result. Flip flop.
Fair. I’m not really tunneling though, sure, you’re at the top of ny list but I’ve literally just considered everyone, how is that tunnelling?
I don't care about semantics. Pushing me, hard, incorrectly, tunneling. Call it whatever.
Semantics are important when you consider your opinion is valued here, I’ve been open too other targets.

Why am I so towny to you? I’m generally not read town a lot except by scum trying to pocket me; just ask Dizzy.
Because traitor sparky has zero to gain from pushing me the way that you are. At this point you would know I am town due to all the other traitors being dead. Therefore your essentially just creating a thunderdome between a town and yourself that will invariably lead to your death.
Welp if that’s all it would take then being scum here will be eazy peazy.

You are no threat to get to endgame playing the way that you are. There is no NK so the uber obvious townies will outlast scum you. I don't need to tinfoil you. The same can be said in reverse. We are engaging in texticular co-masturbation. If you want to get the big solve I am happy to let you all flip me first and when I flip town you can realise the game is already virtually automatic from this point out and we are probably only ever losing to wolf KZA.

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:41 am Yo. I'll be ready to play in an hour.

Youre dead lol

This whole thing is an exercise in futility. If we all agree to the plan of "Wiml and KZA and Marmot go to f3". Can we just say so and let the host flip everyone outside those people? @Gavial?

I could be shielding Long Con wrongly but like he's not gonna get to endgame so it scarcely matters.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:31 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:30 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:25 am @MissSparkles here is why I flopped on you.

1. You keep tunneling me which triggers my default desire to omgus.
2. You seem so obviously townie aside from that so every time I backread I get a townread.

Net result. Flip flop.
Fair. I’m not really tunneling though, sure, you’re at the top of ny list but I’ve literally just considered everyone, how is that tunnelling?
I don't care about semantics. Pushing me, hard, incorrectly, tunneling. Call it whatever.
Semantics are important when you consider your opinion is valued here, I’ve been open too other targets.

Why am I so towny to you? I’m generally not read town a lot except by scum trying to pocket me; just ask Dizzy.

Because traitor sparky has zero to gain from pushing me the way that you are. At this point you would know I am town due to all the other traitors being dead. Therefore your essentially just creating a thunderdome between a town and yourself that will invariably lead to your death.

I am now taking Sparky as a clear.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:32 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:21 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:49 am His strategy starts with getting the inactives/LHF chopped, then me probably or Gira, then he creates tinfoil worlds on others.

Would be the mafia win of a lifetime, trust me he wants IT
Chop me next so I don't have to keep cringing.
I mean the question/comment itself wasn’t gonna aspire amazing analysis from my part, why only comment on this and not the other points, no doubt this was the weakest point so maybe that’s why

This is called tunneling. You are forcing yourself to analyse all my play as scummy. You consistently call things that aren't scummy scummy. You don't understand my meta enough to have this read. Everyone else in this game has played with me multiple times. Some dozens. Defer to them. For the sake of your own ego in post game if nothing else.

@Gira you cool with dying next?

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:30 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:25 am @MissSparkles here is why I flopped on you.

1. You keep tunneling me which triggers my default desire to omgus.
2. You seem so obviously townie aside from that so every time I backread I get a townread.

Net result. Flip flop.
Fair. I’m not really tunneling though, sure, you’re at the top of ny list but I’ve literally just considered everyone, how is that tunnelling?

I don't care about semantics. Pushing me, hard, incorrectly, tunneling. Call it whatever.

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