The Syndicate

Thx Gman. Gg all.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:56 pm And sorry I was so sure you were bad, Mac.

Meh I managed to save myself somehow at least. Lol.

I believe LC, Sig and Wilgy have been dealt similarly to me. Michelle just reeks town rationality and I believe she'd be pushing my lynch today if she was scum. DDL has not as good deductions as Michelle but his goal seems pro town to me. I feel like the POE is you two but nobody else agrees so here I am an apparent scum deciding that taking Sloonei and Epi on today is the smart move.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:20 pm What was tony’s strategy, mac?

In my view. The initial strategy after Creatures death was simply to not cast any needless suspicion on the other teammate. Town read the players too hard to case and kill through that list. Keep a wide POE with the rest, maintain valid suspicions on everyone lynchable but never be the primary antagonist of any particular townie so as to not draw out needless conflict and pivot to piggybacking bad town built cases to contribute to successful mislynches.

Of course with missed night kills and good town analysis at times this strategy may or probably was altered to "bus me daddy".

I still think you need to read my ISO and look at how I dealt with Tony comparative to other players. If I am scum here my strategy would be to do as I am accusing TSP and Epi to have done.

I have to leave now. Hopefully I can make a couple more hail Mary posts but if I die please take time to reread me with fixed knowledge of my alignment.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:06 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:12 pm Why does he need you dead so badly? You're not even bothering to humour the notion that he's scum.

And as I mentioned. You dying makes an Epi lynch that much more feasible. Not just for reasons I said but also for reasons you just pointed out.

If you wish to not even entertain my argument based on such a flimsy premise I dunno why I am bothering.
He doesn’t need me dead. But on Day 4 he pushed very aggressively to get me lynched, so it’s evident that he wanted me dead.
So you are removing Epi from suspicion because on day 4 he made some posts suspecting you which indicates if he was scum he'd have killed you already?

Do you not see how absurd of a reason that is?

If Epi is scum and they had better kill targets than you why would he not put suspicion on you? Are you suggesting that for Epi to be scum he must avoid suspecting you?

It's all just bad logic imo. He's a massive red flag for me. As I said if you decide to remove me please look there.
Hey Mac.

Why not look at Tony's treatment of me and my treatment of Tony and see if we're teammates?

That might help you a little bit.

You are absolutely spewing that you know I am a townie with this post.

I don't have the time to do what you request sadly. I have to leave in a few mins and won't return.

Early game scum kill choices indicate scum were simply nailing the major town threats each night.

TSP had an early game list to define how they viewed this.

All of the players he considered townie enough to put high in his list are dead with the exception of Sloonei and Epi.

The vast majority of the rest are all still alive.

I have this POV because of how he played me in knowledge of my role so I understand how it isn't obvious to everyone else how important this is but please remember this if/when you flip me.

TSP spewed a scum strategy. His play towards me was not what Sloonei suggests it was in the sense that he did in fact want me to be lynched when the time was right. That time didnt come while he lived but if it did he had foundations with which to justify pivoting to me.

His play towards me kept his options open. He played it well. Because despite my suspecting and voting him I look bad on his demise. I suspect so would quite a few others. This gives his teammate the assist. Epi or Sloonei are playing that role. More than enough others are ruling Sloonei out. If I take them at their word this casts doubt in my mind on Epi.

Now with the two missed kills it seems logical that at least one of them was targeted because the likelihood of both doctor and shooter targeting not either of them 2 separate times given their comparative places in the game hierarchy is simply unlikely. Perhaps DDL is the only other remaining player who with context would draw both moves. But not last night. It seems beyond doubt that Sloonei was targeted last night.

So that leaves Epi.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:12 pm Why does he need you dead so badly? You're not even bothering to humour the notion that he's scum.

And as I mentioned. You dying makes an Epi lynch that much more feasible. Not just for reasons I said but also for reasons you just pointed out.

If you wish to not even entertain my argument based on such a flimsy premise I dunno why I am bothering.
He doesn’t need me dead. But on Day 4 he pushed very aggressively to get me lynched, so it’s evident that he wanted me dead.

So you are removing Epi from suspicion because on day 4 he made some posts suspecting you which indicates if he was scum he'd have killed you already?

Do you not see how absurd of a reason that is?

If Epi is scum and they had better kill targets than you why would he not put suspicion on you? Are you suggesting that for Epi to be scum he must avoid suspecting you?

It's all just bad logic imo. He's a massive red flag for me. As I said if you decide to remove me please look there.

Forces*

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:12 pm
And as I mentioned. You dying makes an Epi lynch that much more feasible. Not just for reasons I said but also for reasons you just pointed out.

Anybody dying makes anybody else's lynch that much more feasible.

It's math.

Obviously numb nuts but because you're you, being alive without a perceived bigger threat also being alive, particularly from that early, forced you into a gauntlet of suck and I don't think you ever were truly threatened by Sloonei.

Tell me how many times in all the games you've played together has Sloonei managed to catch and lynch you?

I'm not used to you being so wrong either. It's annoying me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:48 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:36 pm I still think Epi just nightkills me by Night 3 at the latest.
This is what I mean. You aren't challenging yourself at all.

Here are several arguments to this point. Pick one. You were a suspect. There have been two missed night kills (before you reply with obvious bs again yes I know you randomly prefaced it by saying before n3) so he may have tried. You also are refusing to read him scum. There were also more than one person making decisions and TSP was killing through his lock town reads out of need. I don't think anyone argues with n1-3 kill choices. Also you being alive helps him justify he himself being alive. If you are dead early he stands out like dogs balls.

This is quite frustrating. It's like you're refusing to think beyond Mac is scum which you haven't even made a good case on. You literally said I was scum first, read the dead scum's interactions with me, retrofitted all of them to make sense in your worldview and stopped giving a shit. Reject my defence, reject others defending me, reject my points. Do better.
I have thought about all of these things. I’ve talked about most of them. I made tons of posts before I arrived at “Mac is bad.”

None of substance.

Why does he need you dead so badly? You're not even bothering to humour the notion that he's scum.

And as I mentioned. You dying makes an Epi lynch that much more feasible. Not just for reasons I said but also for reasons you just pointed out.

If you wish to not even entertain my argument based on such a flimsy premise I dunno why I am bothering.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:50 pm Also Tony wasn’t killing his locktown reads. The mafia team was killing the thread’s locktown reads.

Oh but I thought it makes no sense that Epi wouldn't kill you. Come the fuck on.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:36 pm I still think Epi just nightkills me by Night 3 at the latest.

This is what I mean. You aren't challenging yourself at all.

Here are several arguments to this point. Pick one. You were a suspect. There have been two missed night kills (before you reply with obvious bs again yes I know you randomly prefaced it by saying before n3) so he may have tried. You also are refusing to read him scum. There were also more than one person making decisions and TSP was killing through his lock town reads out of need. I don't think anyone argues with n1-3 kill choices. Also you being alive helps him justify he himself being alive. If you are dead early he stands out like dogs balls.

This is quite frustrating. It's like you're refusing to think beyond Mac is scum which you haven't even made a good case on. You literally said I was scum first, read the dead scum's interactions with me, retrofitted all of them to make sense in your worldview and stopped giving a shit. Reject my defence, reject others defending me, reject my points. Do better.

If there are two scum left that would be pretty oof.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

/effort

That's me done. I think Epi is the final mafia. Sure he has some points to defend himself by, any good scum would by now. He sure has let us hear them too. But between how he has angled me in, and the way Tony read him early as town and POE I think it's him.

Given that there is apparently 1 scum left I dont see any reason to look at any other angles and I've got buckleys chance of convincing anyone while alive so please investigate when I flip.

I'll maybe reply to questions if asked in the lead up to what feels like an inevitable lynch.

You know what I don't think LC is scum. He has felt too aloof. And I feel like he's likely to flip town if I manage to save myself and that will lead to push button lynch. If he was scum in this situation I think he'd take more control and he sure as fuck wouldn't lazily flip on me. It's a wrong headed townie move.

I think Epi is the one playing Jafar here.

My main issue with Sloonei aside from that I have intuitively read him scum all game is that he is reading me and TSP too simplisticly. I'm phone bound so no quotes but when I've tried to explain things he just cuts me off with angles of absolutism. The same way he hand waved Michelle defending me through TSP analysis as "easy distancing". I don't understand why he is tunneling me so much. I expect more pragmatism from him usually. Oh well.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:04 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:35 pm I'm going to vote for Mac. He'll probably vote for me in return, but whatcha gonna do? [VOTE: Mac] aubergine
Why? I felt that you were one of the reasonable ones. Timing makes me think you're getting a head start on self preservation. Nerves?

I am not scum LC. Your vote should not be here.
We know you're not scum LC. You're scum Mac.

No I am an ordinary member of the townsfolk.

I have made posts that are good but Sloonei is just dismissing them as distancing and is captain townie. What can you do? TSP also spent more time trying to get me lynched than most but because it never took off in wagon form so it was never sensible for him to yell about it. Sloonei takes that to mean he wasn't serious about it. He wasn't. Because I am town. His points were bunk and his motivation wasn't and shouldn't be viewed in the same way that townie motivation is viewed. Scum don't naturally tunnel. They shift to where they can accomplish town lynches. I can't explain why my wagon never took off. But today I'm getting threatened which profiles. In the wake of a scum lynch and a weakened team the scum need a quick win and in this game I'm a slank lurker. I'm a mislynch.

I don't see the logical progression LC made to get to the point of voting me. Sloonei ... fair. Earlier when Epi voted me it felt like building early foundations towards accomplishing my mislynch.

Sig, Wilgy and Michelle are very unlikely to be scum by virtue of the fact that they haven't taken opportunity to shade me or suspect me. I can't imagine in this playstyle any scum could avoid it.

Come to think of it DDL flipping to town reading me here is also a good look for him. But I suppose he has time to flip on that.

I must admit I've been side eyeing LC all of day 6. He has been very blendy. I should have said something earlier because now it's omgus.

But yes if I die today and don't get a chance to post again I would have my POE as Epi/LC as major and DDL/Sloonei as minor candidates.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:35 pm I'm going to vote for Mac. He'll probably vote for me in return, but whatcha gonna do? [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Why? I felt that you were one of the reasonable ones. Timing makes me think you're getting a head start on self preservation. Nerves?

I am not scum LC. Your vote should not be here.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:51 pm All I can say is that if you all do want to rid yourselves of me you should use time effectively to figure out what to do once I flip.
Uncork the champagne?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:52 pm Let’s party like it’s 1699.

Only the scum shall be.

Go ahead and lynch me if you want. We're well ahead. I'll come in and say my piece occasionally as I have been. All I can say is that if you all do want to rid yourselves of me you should use time effectively to figure out what to do once I flip.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:22 am Ok then you're scum. What's your dumb plan when I flip town Captain Scum?
Why does it have to be me or epi?

It doesn't.

Ok then you're scum. What's your dumb plan when I flip town Captain Scum?

Sloonei and Epi are the only people that TSP had town reads on that are still alive. I am going to keep repeating that until it sinks in.

And look at the way he jumped on me after you came after me. He's just going after the easy lynch.

Between that and Wilgy coming out hypothesising that it may be Sig (more easy case shit), and Sig being Sig I dunno why you think I'm the push button candidate. It feels like you're tunneling me tbh. Or you're bad. Probs no chance of getting you lynched even though you being alive makes no sense.

Imagine if it is Sloonei. He can't just kill someone overnight because he's push button candidate today. This no kill makes sense from that perspective.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:29 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:10 am If you guys are just gonna railroad me and not even entertain the notion that I'm town just tell me and I'll scum hunt and leave a legacy to help rather than spend time defending myself.
Scumhunting is the best defense anyway. I'm willing to consider other names, I just need to be convinced.

Points against: It's day 6 and he's alive. Tony didn't suspect or push him at all.

Better than your retrofitting case on me.

If you guys are just gonna railroad me and not even entertain the notion that I'm town just tell me and I'll scum hunt and leave a legacy to help rather than spend time defending myself.

Why is Epi town?

Points for: ?

Points against: It's day 6 and he's alive. Tony didn't suspect or push him at all.

Go on?

Of course Epignosis is now adamant I am scum. How unexpected.

I had a great post written then the site crashed now I'm busy. Suffice to say that I am going to come in here and fuck.

Also I voted for him way early on day 5 Sloonei. Way before he gave up. You misremember. He only had 2 or 3 votes on him when I voted. I put him well out of range of saving.

And your point about him not making a substantive read is not a good one. Firstly, compare the substantiveness of his effort on me with others. He made some of his MOST substantive reads ON ME. That they weren't substantive in isolation is a productive of the fact they were fabricated, like all his reads.

Tony did try to get me lynched, arguably more than anyone. He continuously returned me to discussion. What is the benefit of doing that if I am his teammate coasting through?

Tony probably had worry throughout the game that I would reactivate and cause him issues. I mean he more or less said as much. He tried to keep me lynchable but it didn't ever take. Primarily because most of the civilians probably are tone reading my slank play as town. What do scum do when that happens? They just pivot. Which he did constantly all game. He didn't care who he lynched as long as it was a townie. That's why I believe his partner was someone he kept clean. Namely Epi.

I can't speak for all of Tony's shit but contrast the small pool of interactions with Creature along with how he treats dead townies and I do not profile.

Notwithstanding you handwaved my interactions with him. He was one of my major cases. You're just taking what are total points in my favour and fitting them into an incorrect worldview and doing the inverse for DDL.

Read my latest posts if you're gonna force me to engage this. I'm trying to solve the game. Don't look past that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:42 pm Tony & Mac

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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:23 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:09 am I voted for LC because DDL's post is the first post I read and I think it's important that we work together even if DDL is scum because I don't know if he is or isn't so taking a punt on that is good.

Good odds that this is intentional but this is also a bad post

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:35 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:09 am I voted for LC because DDL's post is the first post I read and I think it's important that we work together even if DDL is scum because I don't know if he is or isn't so taking a punt on that is good.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:12 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:58 am I also have a hunch on LC

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Feels like hes more self-contained than usual or something.
I'll vote you back for forgetting that apostrophe. [VOTE: DDL] aubergine
Looking at these last two votes, LC’s is stupid and Mac’s is weird stupid. Weird stupid isn’t the most scum, but it gives off the tinglies.

Is this all a weird stupid reason to be voting Mac, thus rendering me scum by my own logic?
Simple. I am not bound by logic.
Day 1 stuff. Super weak prods/suspicions. I think(?) the bottom post is a vote for Mac, but it won't stay there for long if so, and Tony seems to have forgotten about it later.

Quantitative/qualitative analysis thing from Day 1. Has Mac listed as one of the lowest-scoring players in the game after previously calling out 2 of his 3 earlier posts in the game. Makes no mention of him in his write up.

On night 1 he lists Mac under the "Who? heading along with the two inactives. He called Mac out twice early in Day 1 and then suggested he was unaware of his presence in the game. This suggests the earlier posts were just for show.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:18 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:45 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:39 pmI was told Mac
You were told Creature by Quin and Mac by me. Consecutive posts.
Yes I was confused
Imagine not knowing which one of your teammates was just lynched Day 1.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:28 pm I have slight town reads on a lot of people right now, which lends credence to DDL’s inactive scum theory. That said, I don’t think there’s any point to vote for Mac just to entice him to show up if we don’t intend to lynch him. It’s -EV to lynch any essentially inactive player, especially Mac who might show up and solve the game. In Fallout he had 2 posts and then day 1 he came in and called out both scum.
Noted.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:39 pm so WIFOM me this... does scum Mac ever make a drive by attack on Dom without any support?
Yes. This inquiry is isolated and goes nowhere.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:52 pm Let’s get this thing moving.

Epi: have you finished reading?
Sloonei: do you think a reasonable POE exists at this stage?
Dys: ditto Sloonei
Timmer: who do you think is scum?
Dom: Why is Mac voting for you?
LC: why shouldn’t I vote for you?
Wilgy: why can I not remember anything you’ve said this game?
DDL: convince me to vote for Mac
Mac: say hi
Sig: give me a narrative about who’s bad and why it makes sense.
The Most Generic Prod In the World. He has two questions about Mac but zero questions for Mac. At the very least this tells me that Tony doesn't actually care about reading Mac. That could just be an indicator that he's scum. It could also mean that Mac is his teammate, but it doesn't have to.

"I think a Wilgy lynch makes more sense than a Mac lynch"

On Night 2 Mac is in the Bad Bucket. Shortly after he does another qualitative thing which has Mac near the bottom, but he continues to offer no elaboration on him. I remind us all again that he would prefer to lynch wilgy over Mac.

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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:27 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:23 am Hey it's tomorrow. I see Dom was lynched. That was quite unfortunate. Sorry about that Dom.

I am enjoying reading a game where people are forced to make assertions and shit against me based on nothing. I've not lived this long in a game I've lurked before. I can't promise I won't continue to.

I will however say that Sloonei and TSP pinged me. Epignosis also has some content that I was surprised to see was his. His tone is unusual.

Sloonei is playing quite within himself. I don't think he is a town voice. TSP 's post count list is pretty busyworkish. TSP where's your obvious town play?

Michelle I like. Sig and LC has this weird moment where they coalesced some equally unwarranted suspicion towards her which could be btsc leakage.
I’m still happy about the questions day 2 but I guess it didn’t work out cause everyone just decided to lynch dom. post list was busyworkish but I said I’d do it day 1 and I was bored so I did it again. Shrug
Lifeless exchange.

On Day 3 Tony continues to think wilgy is a better lynch than Mac. Mac has come up as a subject in several Tony posts between this and the above exchange but I didn't quote them here because they'd be clutter. Instead I'll just register the point that Tony has continued to say absolutely nothing distinct about Mac. He's just a person that exists in the background.
Also gonna put an asterisk in this period right here as a reason why DDL is not Tony's partner for later. Asterisk.

A subsequent example of Tony not actually saying anything about Mac.

Turned the page in Tony's ISO and, whoa, he votes for Mac. This was on Day 3, when he lynched nova/sorsha. Tony ended up staying on Mac. I'll note that, despite his vote, he has continued to say nothing about Mac. He changed his vote from wilgy to Mac, not because Mac did anything to earn the vote, but because he no longer suspected wilgy. Mac is a token suspect here. I have no problem seeing this as an empty suspicion to put distance between them.

Shortly after, Mac is in his 3-person POE.

Mac becomes a much bigger topic of discussion on Day 4 in the "Who doesn't kill Sloonei?" dialogues. There are several passing mentions, but I'll highlight this one post in particular:
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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:17 pm I also notice that Mac has all the red squares and only one green one. How would you characterize your read on him, and why are there so many yellows/oranges?
Mac is an easy dunk target by nature of his relative absence so I didn't count that in his read, but a team with him takes a huge risk leaving Sloonei up for so long IF they don't intend to at least try to lynch Sloonei. That's what's so prohibitive about Mac teams. Mac Sloonei is red not because I couldn't see it but more because it's the kind of team that deserves a win if they can get it at this point. And I also can't see it it's way too clever. Michelle and Sig haven't been around to promote the kind of Lynch that a Mac scum team would need, though notably in a Mac/Michelle pairing, Epi has done most of the work. DDL never risks lynching a mostly inactive teammate on Day 2 so that's that red read. The other ones kill Sloonei and don't interact as they have.

My read on Mac individually is null lean scum. Mac as scum here wants back-to-back Sloonei/Epi lynches (assuming he's not paired with one of them), and currently it seems things might go that way and all of Mac's posts fit inside that narrative. I will make no attempts to read Mac himself, but he's mildly pinged me a few times.

The main reasons for yellows and oranges are day one votes, town presences, and a prohibitive kill strategy. Honestly at this point in the game, I probably should be able to assign more of those, but all of the lynches have been apathetic thus far. I can ascertain almost nothing from voting patterns on day 2 and 3.
"a team with [Mac] takes a huge risk leaving Sloonei up for so long IF they don't intend to at least try to lynch Sloonei." Well they clearly were trying to lynch me, so. I also don't know why this point exists anyway. It is mental gymnastics to vindicate Macdougall, who has been a principal figure in Tony's POE.

Then in the second paragraph: "My read on Mac individually is null lean scum." That does not compute with the earlier reads Tony has expressed. Mac was his vote yesterday and one of the three players left in his POE pool entering this phase. One would take that to be stronger than a "null lean scum" read. He also absolves himself of needing to produce anything more concrete with "I will make no attempts to read Mac himself." Why is Tony treating Mac this way if Mac is town? He's doing backflips away from him while also pretending that he's a lynch candidate.

I'd be content to rest my case there. There were some more interactions yesterday, but nothing that introduces new points or adds anything substantial. Except for one thing: It's clear from the final 24 hours of Day 5 that Tony had waved the white flag. He was not fighting, he was just running out the clock and not engaging in anything that could potentially reveal anything new. Given this, it's clear that he'd agreed to be bussed.
Mac abruptly shifted from Sloonei to Tony in this time. I don't believe that Tony was very much on his radar at any point prior to this.

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tl;dr: Mac bad. Tony never actually talks about Mac in a meaningful way. There's absolutely no substantive read anywhere in here. Mac is always a player who is in the vicinity of suspicion, but Tony never actually puts him in the path of a lynch. He floats the idea, but never in a way that's serious. On Day 4 he seemed to be working hard to resist saying anything that would direct any energy toward Mac. Mac voted for Tony Day 5 after Tony had already surrendered.

Come the fuck on

He'll I'm just trying to play a game in chill mode. I enjoy it. Don't force me to be normal Mac. He sucks.

And you've spent more time complaining about my bullshitness and wrongness than you have making arguments about me being bad. What's even the point? How does that find the fur?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:08 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:19 am
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:17 amI kind of feel like Wilgy would?
Let's flip Wilgy and see. If Wilgy is scum, I must be either scum or town.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine
I've read nothing and I will not be lynching either of you on day 1.

Call two townies correctly off nothing. I'm spam.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:23 am Hey it's tomorrow. I see Dom was lynched. That was quite unfortunate. Sorry about that Dom.

I am enjoying reading a game where people are forced to make assertions and shit against me based on nothing. I've not lived this long in a game I've lurked before. I can't promise I won't continue to.

I will however say that Sloonei and TSP pinged me. Epignosis also has some content that I was surprised to see was his. His tone is unusual.

Sloonei is playing quite within himself. I don't think he is a town voice. TSP 's post count list is pretty busyworkish. TSP where's your obvious town play?

Michelle I like. Sig and LC has this weird moment where they coalesced some equally unwarranted suspicion towards her which could be btsc leakage.

Call out TSP ages ago. I'm completely clueless.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:29 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:28 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:24 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:33 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:57 am I don't know how to read any of that.
DDL is good because he said stuff that meant stuff
Sig is bad because he didn’t
Ya reckon?
Sure why not
I dunno. Just seems like bullshit.

Call out more TSP bullshit. I'm clueless.

So I was wrong a bit. Just because I'm not posting a million times this game doesn't mean my analysis and opinion is invalid DDL. If you are town you should listen to the parts of what I am saying that aren't the things you know to be incorrect because the other parts are likely correct.

So with that being said how is Epi not your number one subject? In my view you both should have arrived at each other as the last scum by deduction if you were actually trying.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:39 am Ok maybe it's unfair from me to say you are not reading the game "on purpose". You should really be busy irl.

But the problem is that you are completely clueless and yet pretending you have the whole hame solved. And because of that your posts amount to just spam.

I disagree.

Michelle, TSP played this game outright blatant imo. Imo he pushed townies, protected his teammate when he needed and otherwise ignored their existence. If I am right who do you think fits the bill best?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:35 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:54 am I still think Sloonei has teammate equity with Tony. Even DDL had them as compatible at one point. Nothing that happened here can't be explained as distancing/bussing.

I'd lynch DDL first. If the game isn't over and one of Sloonei/Epi is alive they die.

If Sloonei lives tonight he is an autolynch. Scum kill him if civ. My doubts aren't enough to modify this need. Even I wouldn't leave him alive tonight if I had the bullet.
It's like you are just that crazy guy we should ignore because you don't know what you are talking about.

Sloonei can't possibly be scum.

Man stop being such a dick lol.

Sorry I've been inattentive. It's been a very busy time for me.

After a read of Tony's ISO.

Sloonei is self resolving. He dies tonight or is bad.
Epi has major teammate equity with TSP and generally profiles. Probably on par with DDL.

Everyone else he spews town at points because he played the game with a straight bat. He forced cases on townies which means he probably had his teammate as town read most of the game.

That's a major indicator it's Epi because that's how he likes to play the game too and Epi and Sloonei are the only players alive from his original town list in his first reads list.

Btw Tony you played great. Powerwolfing in these circumstances. I'm surprised you were lynched looking back. I guess thrown under a bus.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:28 pm Okay let’s push past the people (myself included) being dramatic part and move on.

There was talk last night about LC likely being town from results. Someone explain that to me. @Sloonei maybe?

I have slight town reads on a lot of people right now, which lends credence to DDL’s inactive scum theory. That said, I don’t think there’s any point to vote for Mac just to entice him to show up if we don’t intend to lynch him. It’s -EV to lynch any essentially inactive player, especially Mac who might show up and solve the game. In Fallout he had 2 posts and then day 1 he came in and called out both scum.

The irony in this post is glorious.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:09 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:08 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:03 pm By the way, civilians lost that game.

The toxic environment created by the hot potato "winners" wasn't worth the trouble.
Uhm, I'm just challenging you on your thoughts about the lynch, dude. Like... I'm not being toxic? Wtf is this?
Dys is being extremely unpleasant about the "everyone confirmed town" thing and Sloon is being kind of annoying too.

There is also a witch hunt going on against people who do not agree you 3 are confirmed scum.

Luffy was mad the town core was good? Then two of them died and he pocketed Sloonei.

Yeah ok I'm just gonna stop here. Dudes scum. Figure it out. See you tomorrow.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:34 pm [VOTE: Tony] aubergine

Good night.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:34 pm I like tony tbh

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:45 pm TSP is mad at the Day 1 Mutant Ninja Turtles treating each other as confirmed.

Could be 2 things.

Rage from a civilian who hates it when other civilians get cocky about a hot potato result (a sentiment I've felt myself before)

or

Rage from a mafioso who just got screwed and is scared at the prospect of 4 confirmed civs on Day 1.

Pick one.

Dizzy didn't like the scum and DDL produced these amazing replies.

Wait that's Dyslexicon. I'm drunk. No wonder Dizzy died. But wait!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:59 pm Timmer - Town. Hammered Creature and had a towny as fuck response to suspicion earlier on D1.
Sloonei - Town for lynching Creature. Felt town in interaction earlier on D1 and like he really evaluated my alignment.
Quin - Town for lynching Creature. Feels like he cares about the game.
Sig - Town read. Both his play early D1 and his passionate irritation that we all couldn't see Sloonei as scum before the flip was revealed reads town to me.

Wilgy - I don't find any reason to be very suspicious of Wilgy. Remember liking some of his posts, but don't remember why tbh.
Epi - I have a really stupid reason for thinking Epi might be town. But really a null read. Not much there.

DDL - Null. Don't know how much stock I should put in the derp about not knowing when actions are due to, since both scum and town could've missed that I guess. Nothing overly scummy.
LC - Null. Nothing he's done has stuck with me. If he's town there's an even stronger case for town reading the three on top of this list.

Dom - Null/squinting. Mostly felt salty after the Creature lynch. Not much there except tunneling me because gut.
Mac - Null/squinting. No content. Lame sheeping.

Tony - Scum. I don't buy the "I have no idea what's going on". Seems too much like trying to seem unaffected by the lynch. Feels like he's arguing with me more to show how his thoughts "makes sense" rather than him actually thinking I'm susp, cause I don't think he does. Don't let him use WIFOM as defense in the case I die in form of "Would I really kill ..."

Bimbo/Sorsha - Complete lurkers. Vig or lynch if not replaced.

Would be ballsy to put a teammate here but then again DDL has been powertowning and somehow Tony lived til Day 5 so how real is the read?

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