The Syndicate

Thank you Speedchuck. Good game civs. Hard luck witches.

I understood what you were implying and quickly reasoned that it was a genuine thought lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:17 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:40 pm I hope Mac is a witch this game.
Sadly I am not. Fortunately neither are you.

Lol

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:38 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:35 pm 2019 leaderboard is now Mac 7, Nova 6 and Speedchuck/Nutella 5.

Let's go @novaselinenever. Bring it on fiend.
That's why I wanted you to be a Witch this game

I have played with you so much now I can seemingly tell when you are a civ based on your first post.

2019 leaderboard is now Mac 7, Nova 6 and Speedchuck/Nutella 5.

Let's go [mention]novaselinenever[/mention]. Bring it on fiend.

So that's like several civilian wins in a row btw. The era of Mafia dominance is over.

So Speedchuck really did give Jack the Handsome Jack role. Like come the fuck on.

Pretty sure I hammered him

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:15 am He’s not confirming Epi by night target. If he said yesterday “My POE going into N2 is Epi, Daisy, Never” and then on D3 he said “I copped Epi, Daisy, Never town” then yeah, he’d have to be lying.

It’s possible we have a Luna/Muugen/Epi team.

Okay hot shot go make a case against Epignosis. I'll wait.

Also there is a witch named Handsome Jack which I don't think speedchuck could have resisted making Jack.

This feels extremely correct.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:29 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:37 pm daisy and neverwhere are hard cleared
epi, mac, and nutella are soft cleared
so that's where we're at
Jesus Christ. This is a shitshow regardless of if you’re telling the truth or not.

Let’s say you’re not. You’ve “cleared” the consensus POE where a second wolf surely lies. You’ve now set it up where I’m a very likely lynch. Soupkill 2 players and that’s game. Town won’t even know after my flip who was lying. And I’m pretty inclined to believe this is where we are because yesterday, you said your POE was Epi, Never, Daisy and today you cleared all of them. Two roles could put you but chances are both would be dead for you to pull this. If only one is, they fight it and if I’m lynched, there’s your necessary extra kill ftr and if you’re lynched, you still get an extra kill and narrow down the role list. Maybe enough to get a win. Maybe not.

Let’s say you are. Telling the truth. Copping Daisy and Never and getting no reds means there’s only one wolf left. So the wolves are Luna/Muugen/??? If you think the wolves both decided to hard distance from me (and not each other) in a game with no flips, I got a bridge I’m looking to sell.

The wolves probably get 3 kills tonight. We could confirm you but that would give a fourth kill and with my mislynch, that’s a loss anyway. The unclaimed players even discussing this draws a roadmap to the acolyte if they're still alive.

How is Epi confirmed?

How is it that you don't react to him with suspicion if you believe him to be this wrong. From what I see, the only way that he could be wrong is if he is lying and if he is lying it is a gambit to win the game tonight after he causes your mislynch. And if he is lying then we would have a priest counterclaim right now. Which we do not have.

"If you think the wolves both decided to hard distance from me (and not each other) in a game with no flips, I got a bridge I’m looking to sell." - Why wouldn't they in a game where there is an Oracle?

Also it makes sense why I wasn't targeted now, because I had my eyes off you so you figured I was no threat. Your attempt to kill nutella was hopeful that she was the priest. Sprityo threw you for a loop by bullshitting about his POE. The angels probably had deduced that nutella was the priest too for similar reasons.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:29 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:37 pm daisy and neverwhere are hard cleared
epi, mac, and nutella are soft cleared
so that's where we're at
Jesus Christ. This is a shitshow regardless of if you’re telling the truth or not.

Let’s say you’re not. You’ve “cleared” the consensus POE where a second wolf surely lies. You’ve now set it up where I’m a very likely lynch. Soupkill 2 players and that’s game. Town won’t even know after my flip who was lying. And I’m pretty inclined to believe this is where we are because yesterday, you said your POE was Epi, Never, Daisy and today you cleared all of them. Two roles could put you but chances are both would be dead for you to pull this. If only one is, they fight it and if I’m lynched, there’s your necessary extra kill ftr and if you’re lynched, you still get an extra kill and narrow down the role list. Maybe enough to get a win. Maybe not.

Let’s say you are. Telling the truth. Copping Daisy and Never and getting no reds means there’s only one wolf left. So the wolves are Luna/Muugen/??? If you think the wolves both decided to hard distance from me (and not each other) in a game with no flips, I got a bridge I’m looking to sell.

The wolves probably get 3 kills tonight. We could confirm you but that would give a fourth kill and with my mislynch, that’s a loss anyway. The unclaimed players even discussing this draws a roadmap to the acolyte if they're still alive.

How is Epi confirmed?

This is the reaction I would have expected from a Mafia.

The reaction I expected from a civ was "lolwot".

So yeah gg.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:37 pm daisy and neverwhere are hard cleared
epi, mac, and nutella are soft cleared
so that's where we're at

This is brilliant sprityo.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:24 pm now how could i confirm three people to be not mafia mac, who could possible do that?

So you have town cleared by priesthood everyone in the game with the exception of nutella and jack?

Can you please tell me who you targeted each night?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:47 pm If it's a simple missed kill then it's Spacedaisy.
Wrong. I submitted my action thank you very much. I’m not bad.

Well it wasn't a simple missed kill so I am not wrong. So eat a dick.

Spirtyo you need to explain why Neverwhere, Epignosis and Spacedaisy are cleared.

It would be jack

If it's a simple missed kill then it's Spacedaisy.

No vig kill equals either vig is dead or muugen was a witch.

So I wasn't told I survived. So I wasn't targeted. Either the witches targeted someone else that the angels happened to save or the witches didn't submit a kill at all.

Why am I still alive?

I lives!

Also I got no result sadly.

I suppose I should say goodbye

Or muugen was town in which case fml

Only doubt is whether speed puts two new players and Luna on a scum team. If he's a randomiser purist fine. Is he? Does anyone have that knowledge? If he is one to manually override randomisation to balance teams then I'd say it's one of the other two.

Also I think nut is a civ and she was triggered by neverwhere too independently of that.

My POE are the 3 that voted for Sloonei. This is good because I feel if Muugen was a civ and this was a civ/civ lynch they split their vote here. I am quietly confident that Muugen was Mafia.

Neverwhere is the one I would lynch first of the three. Spacedaisy and Epi have more going for them. Neverwhere's reaction to me putting them in the POE was also a bit head scratching to me even though I let it go at the time.

Well met Sloonei

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:45 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:53 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:31 pm Probably Sloonei
Who would you go for after me?
Muugen. Then if the game wasn't over I'd probably be looking at Spacedaisy or Neverwhere.
I just woke up, so will contribute later but

Why would I be next? You've consistently said through out the game you read me as town. You mentioned that I was one of the only ones who KEPT my vote on lunalee and tried to make sure I took care fo that because I believed she was a witch. It would have been easier for me to switch my vote to you to try to get a majority. ALSO in the jack vs. sabie vote I did the same as you, I reread Jacks posts and talked myself out of his guilt so switched my vote back to sabie. I don't see how you could be reading me as next in line for scum.

Relax I don't think you are Mafia. I said I'd look at you if the game was still going and Muugen and Sloonei were dead.

If you want to put your Epi sus at rest go look at how savage he was to Lunalee

I do not really have preference between them aside from the fact that Sloonei scares me more

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:31 pm Probably Sloonei
Who would you go for after me?

Muugen. Then if the game wasn't over I'd probably be looking at Spacedaisy or Neverwhere.

Probably Sloonei

You are voting for me though lol

Epignosis - Attacked Lunalee in a very civilian Epi way.

jackofhearts2005 - Mutual suspicion between he and Lunalee seemed non teammate indicative

Muriel/Sloonei - Swapped in late and so can be forgiven for not trying

muugen - Didn't realise the game started and appeared to give a genuine catch up post where he town read Nova and Juliet and shaded Spacedaisy, so has at least offered something rather than just not trying

Neverwhere - Appeared to show civilian doubt during the end of day one, switching off me to Lunalee (and I believe staying there)

nutella - Eviscerated Lunalee and day 1 and was the main driver of the Lunabus

sprityo - Seems to be genuinely trying to solve the game. Hasn't shown his Mafia underpants as Sprityo is want to do.

Spacedaisy - Has put in quite a lot of effort. Questioned Luna quite a bit.

I'd say that Muugen and Sloonei look the least civilian by some distance.

In a trustfall I could give everyone a civ clear in this game right now except those two.

I think my POE is Sloonei and Muugen now that I've had a chance to read.

Linki: Lol shut up

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:00 pm wait why are we not assuming epi is bad from that claim or was he just spouting shit for fun

If anything fake claiming the way he has is something I expect more for a townie than a Mafia.

Epi's interactions with Luna are definitely w/w I'd clear him.

Jack re: Luna

This is the real source of my pain. Jack globbed on to me early in the day and never found his way off my wagon despite suspecting Luna (who also suspected him). Someone help me understand Jack. How does civilian Jack react to baseless and incorrect suspicion? Because here he is being pretty much ignorant of it. He ignored her and he's ignored me too. Is that civ Jack or mafia Jack?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:48 pm I’d lynch Luna, Juliets and maybe Sprityo.

That is, I have no real desire to lynch Mac.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:29 pm “Crap. I forgot to switch my vote and it’s after 6. Crap. I’m the deciding vote on a player I don’t suspect. Oh. Luna died anyway.”

Hope she was bad.

Those gifs are pretty good @speedchuck

The above post reads like someone with a guilty mind trying to control the narrative on himself.

The rest is just waffly back and forthing. To be honest the analysis makes me think he is town.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:43 pm I am going to do interaction analysis for Lunalee teammates now that I am at keyboard. I am gonna start with jack and then go from a to z after that.
I do not see how you know Lunalee was bad, so I don't see how such an analysis warrants attention.

Solve the first issue for me, and you solve the second.
Because I am the oracle and I targeted someone on the first night that was targeted (Nova) and had revealed to me that there was two Mafia remaining at the beginning of the night. The only person who was dead at that stage was Lunalee. Lunalee is Mafia.

The fact that I remain alive and you actually hadn't realised that I was the Oracle is kinda funny don't ya think?
There's nothing funny about that at all. It's called "being disengaged."

I've seen disengaged Epi. This doesn't feel like disengaged Epi. It feels like nefarious chaos posting Epi.

Mentions of Jack by Lunalee

Quite a lot. Lunalee cast quite a lot of suspicion at Jack but it didn't amount to a genuine attempt to lynch him. She was talked off it by nutella.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:04 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:02 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:17 pm But that makes it easier for the Witches to soup kill 'cause it narrows down heavily and they have access to the identity to night killed players as long as Necro is alive.
yeah, I would recommend no role claims by anyone ever. That soup thing could get messy quick.
Nah, nah. Every other person just lie about your roleclaim.
That might be good and all until an out-of-the-loop townie hops in and angrily counter-claims the fake role claim

NAI gametech waffle.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:08 pm My "caught-up" opinions on everyone:

Spacedaisy - despite the "weird vibe" popular opinion on spacedaisy, I actually think she looks town. mechanics posts can be town, and I like that she wrote all that out while learning the roles (I will read it eventually, promise).
novaselinenever - I think nova is winning the "highest poster" award. His questions and interactions look town to me.
nutella - is trying to stay active (even while in Japan), and is voting me, so she's either town, or trying really hard to correct her scum meta of never suspecting me.
juliets - looks town (as always). She also paid a lot of attention to Daisy's "long" post, but I don't know if she actually read or responded to it.
Muriel - still absent?
jackofhearts2005 - is just casually throwing out opinions and suspects, but none of them feel serious yet.
sabie12 - looks like typical sabie, but also is "no u" voting suspecting mac
muugen - jumped in late and made a "catch-up" post which honestly just seems to parrot the opinions of the thread.
sprityo - is not quite ready to "supatown" or contribute too much yet.
Neverwhere - looks like they are struggling to find something to contribute while at the same time acknowledging they are not really contributing
Epignosis - lazy poster, and currently suspects juliets because she "looks like she did in Addams family mafia when she was scum"
Macdougall - in only three posts he both claims to not be a witch and know that nova is also not a witch, and shoo sabie off for questioning it.

Conclusion: [VOTE: lynch Macdougall] aubergine, [VOTE: Lunalee gets Butt Stallion!] aubergine (despite some of you looking town, I'd still rather have it)

Huge wall post of soul reads. Waffle on jack. Sort of hedging.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:48 pm I’d lynch Luna, Juliets and maybe Sprityo.

That is, I have no real desire to lynch Mac.
playa salad!

Accuses Jack of playa salad with a jokey emoji. This does look genuinely accusatory.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:44 pm Here's my top three folks I wouldn't mind lynching:
Mac
Jack of hearts
sprityo

Includes Jack in a list of three people she wouldn't mind lynching. Includes me. Both of us comprising her primary suspects. Sprityo is an interesting include for later.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:18 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:48 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:44 pm Here's my top three folks I wouldn't mind lynching:
Mac
Jack of hearts
sprityo
Luna why Jack?
that player salad post

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:36 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:34 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:18 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:48 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:44 pm Here's my top three folks I wouldn't mind lynching:
Mac
Jack of hearts
sprityo
Luna why Jack?
that player salad post
Nooooppe nope nope. He made it so obviously a joke. That post singlehandedly convinced me he's town. Somehow you fell for the too-obvious bait. You so bad.
I thought he was being serious

Hmmmm. This side of the analysis makes Jack look pretty good in isolation. It sort of soured me on my Jack boner a bit.

Now to read Jack.

Epi said he believed my claim wholeheartedly because Mafia don't have the balls and now he questions me. I don't know what to do with his contrarianism.

There is zero doubt that Lunalee was Mafia. Zero. Utterly none. Unless you think I fake claimed. In which case I can't help dumb.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:43 pm I am going to do interaction analysis for Lunalee teammates now that I am at keyboard. I am gonna start with jack and then go from a to z after that.
I do not see how you know Lunalee was bad, so I don't see how such an analysis warrants attention.

Solve the first issue for me, and you solve the second.

Because I am the oracle and I targeted someone on the first night that was targeted (Nova) and had revealed to me that there was two Mafia remaining at the beginning of the night. The only person who was dead at that stage was Lunalee. Lunalee is Mafia.

The fact that I remain alive and you actually hadn't realised that I was the Oracle is kinda funny don't ya think?

I am going to do interaction analysis for Lunalee teammates now that I am at keyboard. I am gonna start with jack and then go from a to z after that.

All roads lead to Jack though.

I think it's Jack and Epi

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