The Syndicate

I am almost as relieved that my steadfastness in Dunya's civilian status was found to be right as I am disappointed that the town lost.

Congrats Dizzy. Very well played.

At least the foregone conclusion gave Jay time to craft an excellent lynch post.

Work backwards in my list.

Adios then.

Any last questions?

A correct doctor shot tonight is a huge win so plot and scheme well Daisy.

I will be watching and cheering. Sorry I wasn't able to mount an adequate defence.

I was much more sure it was Speedchuck earlier but Dunya's answer to my question about whether she would go to these lengths (the way she engaged Speedchuck specifically) to win gave me pause. Maybe she is capable. I don't hold it against her I just didn't think she was that ruthless. That's the source of my doubt.

I am about to flip civ.

Right now I am feeling

0% Daisy
10% Lunalee
15% Dyslexicon
25% Dunya
50% Speedchuck

Daisy can you self target again? If so do so. If not target Lunalee.

Best of luck.

I am far from convinced.

Self voting now. Hopefully dunya town reads me for it.

Alright you guys got me. Well done. Jay I surrender.

Coldaisy

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:09 am I think if Mac is town, then Dunya is probably bad. Thoughts?

I would be quite embarrassed.

I'm done.

The most frustrating thing here is that you haven't even made it so that Speedchuck has had to explain himself at all. You are just suppressing my analysis and repeatedly insisting I must be bad.

That alone should be enough of a tell for you given he called you out for it when I was doing it to you but now that it is him he is enjoying his Dunya safety blanket. He is playing you good and proper.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:57 pm pushing the narrative that he would succumb to that is also hard to swallow if you've played with speed in more than 2 games. he's been in like 90% of all games i've played on here if not literally 100% of them.

I am doing no such thing. He succumbed to nothing. He manipulated you into backing off.

Anyway plan who you are lynching tomorrow because you're in for a rude shock when I flip civ.

Like you are town clearing him for self voting. Does he have a history of self voting as town?

Who cares if he doesn't have a history of it. Tactics are wielded at different times and I am not trying to push a narrative that speed does it all the time or something why are you misrepresenting me?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:06 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:07 am Dunya would you go to these lengths to win as Mafia? Honestly.
not sure i understand the question. what are these lengths i have gone to here?

i get passionate and involved in either alignment for sure, but i tend to defend myself with less frustration as mafia because i feel the suspicion is warranted from whoever is dishing it, unlike when i am civ.

Would you fake rage at Speedchuck?

I don't think anyone is properly reading my posts if you think I am bad tbh.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:26 am Re read that post when I flip civ so that the full weight of it is realised.

I think we need to do something about the casual meannness that is accepted here in general. As someone who is guilty of it I know that seems hypocritical but we have had Owner basically quit over it. Dunya bringing the townies are assholes meta in here to civ read Chuck who tbh if he is being a dick as Mafia to win can't even be criticised because it's not against the site or game rules to do it. If we don't enact some way of enforcing penalties for being a dick to people it seems like being a dick is becoming a viable tactic for being town read. How long until it's a scum tactic too. How long until being a dick is standard and we are just mafiascum?

It's a game with nothing but pride on the line. Winning shouldn't be above being kind to one another.

End my hypocritical rant.
Can we save this discussion for after the game? I have stuff to say about this, but I think it's better to just wait until the game is over. I don't really think anyone has been intentionally mean this game. And in the end it's just a game, even if the feels get you at the time (I know it does with me).

Yes.

End the day. I don't feel like wasting another day being told I am scum.

Dunya would you go to these lengths to win as Mafia? Honestly.

When I started to tinfoil you Speedchuck dived all over it. Because he saw a path to you getting lynched today and having me at lylo as an easy lynch.

Comparatively you are going for me. You hope to win today. You aren't planning for tomorrow. You even said you'd be going after bloody dizzy. That's an insane Mafia plan.

How could I scum read you? A scum Dunya would be all over a town Speedchuck today if only to be setting up his lynch... You know, the way Chuck is you.

Chuck will probably come back and try to build a case on Dyslexicon now too.

And again if you are Mafia... Well okay then.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:50 am there's no way a town macdougall wouldn't even tinfoil on a scum dunya existing is what i'm saying. it's uncanny and seems ungenuine to me. again, i will be disappointed in myself till next year if you are town.

Start feeling disappointed now and get a head start.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:51 pm Hypothesis: Dunya is Mafia and is afraid of casing Speedchuck because she knows he is town and knows he has some good oil on her. Would not Dunya as civ aggressively hammer the obvscum speed?

You ask why you seem scummy. Its because you don't have a consistent perspective. It shifts all the time and people don't like inconsistency in their fellow civs.

I did tinfoil you. It's like I have to be wrong about you to be town. Sorry but that's dumb.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:47 am because you never town read me. if everyone in the game has a reason to scum read me, i find it hard to believe you have 0 reason to do the same. i'm not agreeing i'm scummy, because i can show you my town motive in everything i've said and done (not that speed will listen or be swayed), i'm just saying i'm always perceived that way. it goes hand in hand with being an outspoken player and a high poster.

i would still like to know why everyone thinks i'm scummy for my info to better my town game. like a short summary would be cool.

I started to analyse you, saw some sus things and then the game came into focus for me and I stopped. There is no room for you to be Mafia in the game I am perceiving. It has as much to do with Speedchuck as with you. I was reading the game before I played and thought you might be Mafia. I am not always shit at the game Dunya I am bound to read you correctly sometimes.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:39 am if you wanna do it, do it in a way that doesn't make the other person question their ethics. "ok, lynch me since you're going to have to get me out of the way but lynch so and so after i flip town"

there's a graceful way of self destructing as town. see turnip head in this game as a reference point. at no point did he make anyone uncomfortable, although i'm pretty sure he was face palming quite a bit with our logic and reasons.

I basically did the same thing before you insisted I try.

I think Speedchuck was either trying to look like or genuinely was self voting under the pretext of "let's just get it over with so you can get past me". I felt like doing the same thing at the time. I don't think he was "giving up" so to speak. If he was then it was very likely an emotional plea to get you to unvote him like I said earlier.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:35 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:32 am There is such a thing as being scum and feeling mad because you're being read scum for illogical reasons.
that's true, actually. do you think i was being illogical, though?

i still don't see how i am perceived as looking scummy in this game. i mean, we can assume someone is scummy and start applying scum motive and reason behind every word and action, but that's not the same thing as someone legit doing scummy things. i don't understand why people think i'm scummy when i'm town.

I can't put myself in his shoes. Maybe he felt like he has been playing a clean game and didn't deserve your tunnelling out of the gate. I have been mad as scum before for the same thing. Matt F pissed me off to no end once when I was an anti town indie and he added 2 with 2 and found me as scum and never let go all game. I let him have it multiple times over it because it is a terribly frustrating place to be when you shouldn't be getting suspicion in a game of survival.

Or maybe he is a civ and one of the Quin voters bussed him. They're all bussers. I just don't believe so in the context.

If you are incredulous about why people are scum reading you why are you scum reading me for town reading you?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:29 am i dont think i agree with you there. i don't care about the outburst as much as i do the selfvote. the selfvote really bothers me for a myriad of reasons i cannot justify in any context or alignment. but mafia is about personalities and determining if someone is bad or good; i can absolutely use "would speed do this as mafia/town?" to build a read on him and that isn't out of bounds. if i'm wrong this game, so be it.

Self voting is no big deal ever. Marmot does it day 1 for shits and giggles all the time. Speedchuck just did it to feign defeated civ.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:25 am tbf, i know plenty of scum who are toxic too. i'm judging speed on speed. speed's personality doesn't fit the meta of hitting me below the belt that way if he was the last scum in the same way someone like juliets/glorf/sloonei wouldn't. i wouldn't put it past someone like nutella who has a pretty impulsive and hot headed personality in either alignment, but you said it yourself, speed is more reserved and calm as scum--so what is with the outburst this way?

The same can be said for you so if I am meant to just civ read both of you for blowing up at each other that proves my point. I am ignoring the parts where he got angry and I see a Mafia. I refuse to clear him because he got mad. Not to mention that would involve having to scum read someone that voted for Quin which makes no sense when there were 2 votes on 2 others. Quin wasn't bussed it makes no sense. So one of you is Mafia. And one of you is Mafia that has imitated civilian emotion for your gain. As unlikely as it is, it has to be Chuck.

I think you might have pissed him off briefly and he made an emotional outburst at you for your style of hunt. There is such a thing as being scum and feeling mad because you're being read scum for illogical reasons.

Re read that post when I flip civ so that the full weight of it is realised.

I think we need to do something about the casual meannness that is accepted here in general. As someone who is guilty of it I know that seems hypocritical but we have had Owner basically quit over it. Dunya bringing the townies are assholes meta in here to civ read Chuck who tbh if he is being a dick as Mafia to win can't even be criticised because it's not against the site or game rules to do it. If we don't enact some way of enforcing penalties for being a dick to people it seems like being a dick is becoming a viable tactic for being town read. How long until it's a scum tactic too. How long until being a dick is standard and we are just mafiascum?

It's a game with nothing but pride on the line. Winning shouldn't be above being kind to one another.

End my hypocritical rant.

I mean I started the day thinking that I had no path of survival. You tell me as a civ I am obliged to try. I try. I town read you and case make on Speedchuck. Show my work. Drum up some interest. Even get some votes off me and onto him. All he has to do is self vote and he's cleared?

Like what is the point. You should have let me just die if you had no intention of listening to me. What did you just want me to scum read you incorrectly or something?

I know you are pissed but you have played me really wrong today and wasted my time.

I have said before this "townies are assholes" meta is toxic.

Gah another 37 hours of this what the hell.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:07 am If It's Dunya I will be begrudgingly respectful of how desperate she is to win.
nah man. if i was scum, no one would be suspecting me. that's how it is with me.

I am aware of this. Hence my town read. Hence why are you voting me?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:02 am I find it really disappointing that I am being voted
and probably mislynched for not being an asshole to you and reading you as town.
i know, i'm really sorry and that's why i hate myself being in this position right now. if you're town and you've town read me this hard yesterday and today, then i'm going to be genuinely sad and disappointed in myself for a long time.

It's just a game. Can't be super sleuth Dunya every time I guess.

I mean I don't think he was intentionally being rude to you. I don't mean to say you aren't right about how you were made to feel.

If It's Dunya I will be begrudgingly respectful of how desperate she is to win.

If it's not one of the Quin voters it's Chuck. If it's one of the Quin voters then decent job and congrats on the win I guess.

I find it really disappointing that I am being voted
and probably mislynched for not being an asshole to you and reading you as town.

I don't think he was being rude to you. I think he is trying to win as scum. Everything he did today was with an intention of getting you lynched when I civ flip imo. I even called it all as it was happening.

There is six here. Dizzy and Daisy hopefully you vote Speedchuck and at least let fate decide. I am sure it's him.

I am not sure how or why you are reacting like this re speedchuck. The self vote is a common scum tactic.

Sadly you are very very wrong and it's speedchuck

You're not whack but you are frustrating when you are wrong (so am I lol)

Let's talk about this after the game because I have some gripes I'd like to raise too but in the middle of the game is not the place for them.

Lynch speedchuck when I flip civ. Kthx.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:46 pm Deleting posts isn't okay tbh.

Who did this?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:07 pm No one can be that sure of my towniness so it's reached a level of fakeness imo.

Why in every game we play do you never give me credit?

You

Are

Whack

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