The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:43 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:41 am tutuu shifted from hard townreading mac and appealing hard to him to hard tunneling him and making fun of him overnight when mac is NOT EVEN MECHANICALLY CONFIRMED MAFIA FROM HER PERSPECTIVE

it's fucking ridiculous. i need to go to sleep or else i'll just keep talking about it forever
"wOoOoOw, tutuu and lucy are capable of forming reads on their own, without relying solely on mech, how dare they?!?!!? catch US, the GREAT MAC AND SPF?!?!?!? SCANDALOUS!!!"

I see. I see.

Can you hazard a guess as to who our 3 partners are please?

supervillain*

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:42 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:39 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:34 am Okay Lucy I'm using my one time pass here. I only get one of these trust claims ever. We've discussed this. You know what I'm talking about. I'm breaking the glass.
i thought u already did after u faked an emotional breakdown due to getting scumread by rondo and seanzie
Pretty low blow tbh.
thats why i townread u lol. but people only get one shots of these as u said with the glass. if u put something in the thread in a game about lying u should expect it to become possible subject of suspicion. ppl can say thats its a lie / fake. if u dont want something's authenticity questioned, dont put it in the game thread

You are a supervising and I actually love it ngl.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:41 am tutuu shifted from hard townreading mac and appealing hard to him to hard tunneling him and making fun of him overnight when mac is NOT EVEN MECHANICALLY CONFIRMED MAFIA FROM HER PERSPECTIVE

it's fucking ridiculous. i need to go to sleep or else i'll just keep talking about it forever

We probably deserve this for the meme openwolfing we did several times at key points tho let's be real.

Read those two posts I just pulled.

Fast forward to today.

Tutuu has not a skerrick of doubt I'm mafia now.

It doesn't track at all. Be real lol.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:34 am Okay Lucy I'm using my one time pass here. I only get one of these trust claims ever. We've discussed this. You know what I'm talking about. I'm breaking the glass.
i thought u already did after u faked an emotional breakdown due to getting scumread by rondo and seanzie

Pretty low blow tbh.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:37 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:28 am real you'd have been modkilled
hwo do you know?

I really want to stop talking mech with you and start talking reads tbh. You need to just look at posts and agenda and stop trying to mech solve.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:49 pm @MacDougall

ok. i dunno how i get u to townread me. im just town man. i tried my best. ive been chill like non-neurotic. been growing up and stuff. like.

i talk shit to my scumreads for fun. it just makes me laugh. like.

idk whats a good towncare on myself. u said it urself i dont fit in with a lot of ppl to be on a team. ive been trying to just fight with my scumreads. like thats my gameplay. fuck me man i dunno. pls read my soul or something. what do u want me to do to get u to see im town lol. i just am. i want us to win

ok so for creature @MacDougall LISTEN TO ME MAC. PLEASE LISTEN TO ME.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:02 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 10:56 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:16 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:28 am mac is still lock town for me but spf and bereft surviving over rondo raises eyebrows

if theyre town, mafia was afraid of the doctor card, not the silly tinfoil stuff

(and keep mac alive coz of the tinfoils on him) is my read
This is a reasonable explanation for the current gamestate.

The more I think, the more I worry about SPF in particular.
I think u should reevaluate ur townread on DENNIS too when looking at the deep wolves. Even though he isnt influencing much he is a deep wolf if he is one. Roxy had a scumread there and im following that

@Creature pinging u since u expressed skepticism at the Rockstar towncore
Do you still think I am w/w with sig and Porscha?
this is the post that got me to townread him. listen - me and creature have been flinging shit at each other up until that point. i was respecting the consensus SR on him, was respecting alison's legacy SR on him, independetnly i thought he's w/w with roxy and w/w with sig. on day 1 he called me stupid for believing in those w/w reads

then come this day and he starts with a vote on me. ok cool. in my mind he's outed mafia. i dont care

but then this post of mine is like extending the olive branch. im like - "im going to be generous. why not"

and look at his response. look at his emotion. it just shows the emotion of "im tired of being perceived as w/w for no reason. im tired of this town. is there even a point in me trying?"

he later made posts kept saying that he's just demoralized. he's had enough. his WIM got killed. it happens man, it happened to u too.

look:

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:03 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:02 am
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 10:59 am I have no idea what's going on. I think I've just lost all motivation I had today.

Who do you think we can trust here?
Tutuu
Ok let's see

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine
he just did it randomly. like honesly i was joking. i had no expectation that he'd actually do it. i was so surprised. as he said later - he has nothing to lose. he's in the poe, he thinks the rockstar towncore is rotten. literally nothing to lose.

look:

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:18 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:17 am CREATURE is TOWN who needs a MORALE BOOST

Please be empathic and give him some space to breathe, dont suffocate him, let his interest in the game come back

He is an asset and we need him. Give him a hand
Where did you see that?
he bolded my "He is an asset and we need him" line. its like he self-deprecated. he's just gloomy and sad man, like u were. happens to town

and then if u read his iso we sorta became friends. im in the POE, everyone spits on me. he's in the poe, everyone spits on him. we're powerless. and yet we found each other as town. he said veto my wagon. i said veto his wagon. i gave him a morale boost and he returned. its just so romantic man so wholesome, emotional. its jsut pure. its just real. town and town.

idk how to explain this man, mac, i just WHOLE HEARTEDLY BELIEVE taht creature is town.

i can be wrong and lol me, sorry for being wrong and dumb liek im average at best at mafia. but I REALLY JUST whole heartedly believe creature is town.

and if u believe me that im town, and creature is town, please see:

how much that shitter jack has been wolfsiding

how much spf has been wolfsiding

how much dennis has been wolfsiding

how much falcon has been wolfising

u already know how much sig has been wolfisding

i just despearately need allies, like, people to listen to me and get ppl to vote with me. coz like nobody cares atm, creature does but he might die. so im trying to reach out to u like im just despearate to scrabmle together a win thats it mac. pls

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:32 pm @MacDougall you are the only one i can trust. listen.

i am going to try to prove to u that im town. and try to convince u of my creature townread.

jack is either a village with the most garbage, trash, abominable, horrendous reads imaginable. or he's mafia. i'd like to think he's mafia. i think he tried to end the game.

spf is probably mafia. because she's on creature. ill get more to that later.

dennis has been openwolfing the entire day. he is making non-posts. nothingburgers. stop giving him a free pass coz he's young and has a dog avatar. ill get more to this later.

i hate everyone on my wagon and i want them all dead. give me a second

mafia is going to all pile up on creature at Eod and try to end the game. thats their game winning move

Okay Lucy I'm using my one time pass here. I only get one of these trust claims ever. We've discussed this. You know what I'm talking about. I'm breaking the glass.

Lucy just read Tutuu's ISO and ctrl f my username. You can easily see that she's been pocketing me every day until today. Literally do that and it you don't come out of it with that perspective I'll walk from here to Alice Springs with my dick hanging out.

I appreciate that you are trying to take matters into your hands and make the play you think the town needs Lucy. It's unfortunate your hail Mary is incorrect because it's the sort of thing I'd do as well here.

Also Tutuu is blatantly pocketing you the same way she was pocketing me until literally today when you opened the door to me being a viable miselim.

You probably don't realise who Tutuu actually is as a player and think she is out of her scumrange or something i assume?

Tutuu had repeatedly made world oriented solves throughout the game that don't make sense. Just like Wilgy. They change at whim and entirely depend on viability. Look at how HARD she has switched onto town players when they become viable. Roxy, sig, spf, myself. She floats around pocketing and memeing and the instant a town gets sussed by town she capitalises. It's blatantly obvious if you just read posts without confirmation bias.

I know for certain your mech is bullshit cuz if it was real you'd have been modkilled btw so you really need to stop with that shit. You think there has to be one between spf and I because we are both alive and it's a policy. You should be honest about that.

I have proposed my team already. You're obviously just skimming content and have no intent to read me with an open mind if you've not even noticed that.

@lucy you're going to have to be honest about your solve being exceptionally flawed here because the mafia are outing to vote me because of you.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 5:01 am my honest opinion is that the solve is probably something untenable like creature/tutuu/bereft/dennis/one in wilgy/falcon and that we lose by default because there isn't enough coordination to save the game

I'm sheeping seanzie's falcon read... I'm ride or dying with Bereft. I think Jack is mafia.

@staypositivefriend what is your solve?

If I am the game losing miselim in a sweep I'll be pretty entertained.

[VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine I'd like to kill Dracula today please.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:20 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:13 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:09 am Pushing sig with no scepticism is evidence to me that you are blatantly mafia just trying to find miselims. And your world building is equally as insincere.
Idk what holy grail of posts flipped your stance on Sig last cycle, but it didn't happen to me dude. We were even in agreement that Sigs ISO was poop and he was quite wolfy.
Suspecting him is one thing but you completely lack town doubt and you've opened today hard wolfsiding. The Jack and you finding each other stuff is hilariously blatant.
Dude, I'm out of fucks to give. There's also other players who I think actually have content enough to make me have doubt (you, Bereft, Tutuu, Jack. All these slots I'm unsure on, I'm more sure of others and don't feel like stressing further about things I'm pretty much accepting I won't get to.)

Sig hasn't done anything to warrant that he's not a wolf. Hell, last cycle I was between SPF, Creature and Sig somewhat in equal measure... Maybe SPF slightly behind. We got a "Creature is most likely bad" result and the next sign points to continue with Sig or try to find how Creature survived in you/SPF.

If you are town please just take me on faith today and vote with me. I know it's a strange ask but just do it.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:17 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:12 am @lucy I pity the cringe you will soon feel if you go down this path.
that moment when you suck as the mafia alignment so you resort to emotional terrorism

Literally never a real thought you'd have if you were town and I was mafia in this game. If I'm mafia in this game you've been townreading me for 5 phases.

You're just projecting your own feelings onto me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:09 am Pushing sig with no scepticism is evidence to me that you are blatantly mafia just trying to find miselims. And your world building is equally as insincere.
Idk what holy grail of posts flipped your stance on Sig last cycle, but it didn't happen to me dude. We were even in agreement that Sigs ISO was poop and he was quite wolfy.

Suspecting him is one thing but you completely lack town doubt and you've opened today hard wolfsiding. The Jack and you finding each other stuff is hilariously blatant.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:08 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:59 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:52 pm Congratulations, Wilgy. You’ve been reverse poed back into the town.
Wild that the entry of other wolfy elements has done the same to you on my list.

Sabi/SPF/Sig's and maybe even Berefts responses to mechanics just feels icky

Like, I know they aren't all wolves right? Unless that implies the wolf team to be Mac, SPF, Creature, Sig, Sabi/Bereft?
This is blatantly partnered nonsense.

dude, the townfirm has assembled a PoE that is at least semi-sensible.

Just based on how shit went earlier in the day, there's gotta be one between you and SPF.

If Creature is still one and there's one in Sig/Porscha AND the townfirm proves to be correct (Implying Sabi is bad based on Reaction) it really doesn't leave a slot for either Tutuu and Jack who were PoE prior.

Firstly, no they haven't.

Secondly, no there doesn't. At all.

Why is there one in sig/porscha?

You are making worlds predicted on hot air because you and your team intend to win today by virtue of Lucy's dumb solve. Hence Tutuu's blatant pocketing calling Lucy Queen and shit its so obvious from my vantage point.

@lucy I pity the cringe you will soon feel if you go down this path.

Pushing sig with no scepticism is evidence to me that you are blatantly mafia just trying to find miselims. And your world building is equally as insincere.

What possible mech could he have had?

@staypositivefriend please persuade me that Creature is not zealot. I don't want to chop him again and it not work.

Tutuu
Jack
Wilgy
Creature
Dennis

I believe there are 4 or 5 mafia here.

@falcon45ca
@Sabiplz
@staypositivefriend
@Bereft
@sig
@Porscha

If any of you are intending to vote for myself or SPF today and sheep Lucy please let me know because I'm not going to try very hard if the game is already over.

If the 7 of us can coalesce and vote together on a mafia that'd be great.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:31 am tutuu is lolcatting with her posts right now. tutuu spent the entirety of this game hard defending the only player who is (nearly) confirmed to be mafia and she has not had a moment of self-reflection or re-assessment today. this is not how tutuu would be posting right now as a ivllager

if i get eliminated then i am very happy with my legacy to be to immediately kill her with no mercy

I agree.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:20 am one last thing everyone should know, sabi is hard outed

how?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:52 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:22 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:20 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:41 pm i'd like to repeat that creature was not zealot

and that every town has to vote with me in my order, or we lose, and mafia knows i know the landmines
Is there a losing order?
This is why following her makes no sense.

There’s no loosing order and she isn’t even confident on her reads.

I’ve gone from solid mafia to maybe to solid to 50%. That isn’t someone we should be following at this point in the games
Don't worry you're still a solid mafia for me

If you are town I strongly suggest you reread the latter part of yesterday.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:51 pm Fmpov spf, dennis, mac, seanzie, lucy, jack and to an extent creature all openwolfed/trolled that eod. Idk what happened lol

Spf, dennis, mac are clearly w/w/w

Jack might be mafia too if mac is the zealot and creature was.absolved

I dunno why wolves thought all jumping on creature ends the game

Could creature kill 2 mafia after getting chopped?

Like is creature non-zealot mafia who had the vengeful card, and his action was doubled from another card? And a town played the stop chop card?

I was trying to bait mafia into voting sig. That should be pretty obvious. I was always voting Creature over sig cuz I found him as town. I literally went from townlocking him to blatantly voting him just to make his wagon viable enough for mafia to out by voting someone blatantly town.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:23 pm sabi/sig/mac/spf/x

I am quite sure this is 4 town.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:21 pm I 100% think mafia is spreading chaos and have been this entire game. I think they’ve been using Lucy/Allison posts to assist in that and I think since this day has started it’s clear people are just flooding the thread with nonesense

Which don’t get me wrong it’s super fun I’m enjoying it buuuuut it isn’t helpful.

Tuutuu
Wilgy
Jack
Creature
Sabie?/bereft

These are the 5

Mac making it to end game or this far is meaningless when he hasn’t caught a single mafia member and isn’t super engaged + as sabie pointed out (major civ points there) we haven’t had many planned night kills we’ve got multiple protection and a suicide bomber card as well. It makes sense for mafia to target civ people who aren’t going to get protected.

Sabi is pretty fucken townie. It could be Bereft. I think Dennis.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:02 am i do not think the person who was saved from an elimination after several other people in my POE fought very hard to save him is town

We shall see. His posting is very sincere/believable to me.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:18 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:17 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:30 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia
Sure thing then.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Is there a possible sequence order you can provide? Or does the if/then/else of that require us to just survive lylo?
mac->spf->creature->one in porscha/sig->x
Yes?
u can live now that sabi spewed u town

Honestly the mafia are near outing themselves today with their posting. They aren't even trying to look town. And you're just completely ignoring it in favour of confirmation bias based on some incorrect mech or whatever.

Jack, Wilgy and Dennis are blatantly mafia. So is Tutuu.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:13 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:23 pm We should turbo Creature again. Hard agree.

Kills wagonomics but who cares.
Fair.

I don't want to waste a day esp since this game doesn't have hammers.

We know he's outted.
Bad news for ya

I am listening to nobody and making my own judgement from now on. I still think Creature is town.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:52 pm Congratulations, Wilgy. You’ve been reverse poed back into the town.
Wild that the entry of other wolfy elements has done the same to you on my list.

Sabi/SPF/Sig's and maybe even Berefts responses to mechanics just feels icky

Like, I know they aren't all wolves right? Unless that implies the wolf team to be Mac, SPF, Creature, Sig, Sabi/Bereft?

This is blatantly partnered nonsense.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:12 pm i'm pissed and i'll start casing tomorrow i think, every town reading this must follow me and recognize that mafia has incentive to not follow me and to persuade you to not follow me. i'll explain everything more clearly tomorrow, stack on mac until then

You are inting very badly. Very very very badly.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:57 pm I just think Jack is outted.

JACK WHO FORCED THE WAGONS ON TO CREATURE AND KILLED ANY WAGON ON ANYONE ELSE.

I agree. Jack, Wilgy, Dennis, Tutuu and Creature are the mafia imo.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:50 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:43 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:25 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:13 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:11 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:10 pm [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

intent to thunderdome today

holy shit i hope youre mafia
Why? This is a waste of a post. Explain data, argue with me on the subject.

If I missed how make it clear, otherwise continue to be wolf.
sorry, i don't mean to be snippy. i reacted that way because:

1. i don't understand why you believe that creature being mafia (even in a world where he is zealot) points to sig being mafia. to me, the amount of friction between the creature and the sig wagons yesterday indicates the opposite to me, and i think that sig might be spewed town from the way the EOD played out

2. your argument on sig being mafia seemed to hinge partially on creature being the zealot, when there is a clear reason why he is not the zealot that i expected other people to have picked up

3. the implication that pushing on tutuu is wolfsiding when tutuu is the singular player in this game who has worked overtime to try to protect creature from being eliminated
1. Wagonomics between 2 teammates can still hold tension this game due to yeet-negation mechanics.

2. Sigs ISO is just wolfy, and maybe I didn't express clearly that I do think both Creature and Sig to be Wolfy. Sig is playing this game, and sidelining while town chews itself up. That was very much a key argument I made yesterday.

3. Creature was not yeeted due to mechanics. Tutuu doesn't invest as much energy into protecting Creature if they are aware they can be saved BY said mechanics.

I think Seanzie flipping T does ultimately point to a Mac wolf world. Mac W very much indicates T Tutuu. This is a very light statement and I'd need to review.

Wilgy is now outed mafia.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:41 pm i'd like to repeat that creature was not zealot

and that every town has to vote with me in my order, or we lose, and mafia knows i know the landmines

Every town can't vote with you because I am one and I'm not going to self vote so suck my balls.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:38 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:08 pm We continue on Sig.

Wolves went out of their way to push us off their teammate and into the Zealot.

Also SPF will also do. Creature being their prime suspect since d1 argument feels kinda moot.
Feels like a wolf play.

Sig is essentially an IC to me. I am not voting him in a thousand years in this game.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Whatever mech you think you have is incorrect. I am town.

I think these were t/t wagons hahahaha

gg I was bad town

Creature

Call an ambulance

I was Oracle the whole time btw.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:57 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:55 pm Mac, I know you’re excited to get to the “guess the zealot” portion of the game but come on.
lol so is mac the zealot? w/w with seanzie?

and like u all decided to collectively openwolf coz u have a lock win? how do u have a lock win lmao

wait is sig town....

hoooold

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:56 pm @MacDougall smh why are you voting for me and not calling it out either

I did call it out. Several times. I've been talking about it for my last 10 posts.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:55 pm we should sleep we need more information

reported for blunt truthfulness

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