The Syndicate

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:16 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:14 am @Lilypetal @Neon one of you is a wolf. Figure it out.

I already did at the start of the day when I got called a wolf for it

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:45 amanyways gtg

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:51 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:50 am rondo did some mini solving before and arrived at lily town neon wolf fwiw

could be distancing imo

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:24 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:19 am I will say that the root cause of this entire dialogue has been that you townread me while repeatedly insisting my reads are bad without explaining why and it made me feel like you think I'm a dumbass (if town) and when I expressed that you hurt my feelings you then accused me of ate and got real mad that I was upset. Which then actually pissed me off because I felt that you just hand waved away my feelings and accused me of being manipulative instead of addressing it in a friendly way. And then continued to use that perspective to deflect every suspicion I had on you about game related stuff.

But you no doubt see it differently. I hope you see it from my perspective tho.

I have explained why your reads are bad, you just don't care for the explanations. I explained it when I thought alison was town but you ignored those.

I'm not going to address you in a friendly way when you've been treating me like crap all game mac. Maybe consider how your treatment of people makes them react to you because you keep assuming this is everyone else's fault. You've done it to multiple people this game, not just me. You treat me with contempt all game and then say "i feel hurt" it's not going to get you the reaction you want. I'm not going to apologize for playing the game as I see fit, which is basically what you want me to apologize for.

consider also how much you dish out for apparently being very thin skinned. If you can't take it, stop dishing it

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:22 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:20 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:18 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:17 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:15 am Confbiasing or not I need to sleep.

i think ur both town still, if u think im town the optimal thing to do is just find the second wolf in ur world and solve outside of dya

Honestly I think "One in Neon/Lily" is correct.

i keep getting looming paranoia of a w!wisp but i think i just have to take him as town and hope for the best lol

so yeah sure lets go one in neon/lily and one in rondo/dya

this makes us both happy right?

3rd as Belzy?

Sure.

There's a chance it's 2 in Neon/Lily and I'm being a dumbass with my Dya push.

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:16 am It's only been this game that I've felt strongly about this, mac. So go reread some posts and realize that disagreement isn't mean. But telling someone they are essentially bullying you for it is awful

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:13 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:11 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:07 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:03 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:02 am Rondo is never in any wolfteams with Ilario and Dyachei based on how they both tried to put him in the POE today which means he is probably just town mathematically (also he's towny).

I think the game comes down to figuring out whether Lily or Neon is with Belzy and Dya right now. Or whether it was just Ilario all along and both Lily and neon decided to openwolf to shield someone they both should know how to read.

when I flip town, the last interaction I ever want to have with you is you saying you are sorry for confbiasing me based on your emotional outburst

Not sure I deserve this but go off.

you've been treating me like crap all game. why the fuck would I want to interact with you EVER again?

you deserve more than what I'm putting out here. I've considered exiting the game on multiple occasions because of how you've interacted with me

Seems like only one of us is going to reflect on this and take some personal accountability. Oh well.

I've personally reflected and I hope you will, too. But I was not mean to you in any situation. I disagreed with your reads and you told me I was treating you like a moron. I have no use for playing with someone that wants you to suck up to them

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:12 am whatever, I'm done

when i flip town, please look closer at lily and neon. I think there's one in there

I still don't see nanook as towny but I havent played much with him so maybe I'm missing something.

Ilario is very likely town, mac is definitely town

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:10 am it's not a very good case. it's confbiased mac

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:07 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:03 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:02 am Rondo is never in any wolfteams with Ilario and Dyachei based on how they both tried to put him in the POE today which means he is probably just town mathematically (also he's towny).

I think the game comes down to figuring out whether Lily or Neon is with Belzy and Dya right now. Or whether it was just Ilario all along and both Lily and neon decided to openwolf to shield someone they both should know how to read.

when I flip town, the last interaction I ever want to have with you is you saying you are sorry for confbiasing me based on your emotional outburst

Not sure I deserve this but go off.

you've been treating me like crap all game. why the fuck would I want to interact with you EVER again?

you deserve more than what I'm putting out here. I've considered exiting the game on multiple occasions because of how you've interacted with me

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:03 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:02 am Rondo is never in any wolfteams with Ilario and Dyachei based on how they both tried to put him in the POE today which means he is probably just town mathematically (also he's towny).

I think the game comes down to figuring out whether Lily or Neon is with Belzy and Dya right now. Or whether it was just Ilario all along and both Lily and neon decided to openwolf to shield someone they both should know how to read.

when I flip town, the last interaction I ever want to have with you is you saying you are sorry for confbiasing me based on your emotional outburst

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:53 am Rondo is still solving the game like its day 1, I've also seen town!Ender, bias himself into pushes late in the game

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:45 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:54 am DYA CASING:

Spoiler: show

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:13 pm sup. trying to get caught up

NAI

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:21 pm think mac is town. his attitude feels more free flowing than his recent wolf games

NAI

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:51 pm i think this is the first game i've seen where seanzie has not overwhelmed me with his towniness

Kinda NAI but Seanzie did call this out. I'm not going to use that tho because Seanzie calls out lots of people and some are town.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:55 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:54 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:51 pm i think this is the first game i've seen where seanzie has not overwhelmed me with his towniness

This is our third game together I think, both other games you were a wolf?

I might me misrecalling, but is this a real thought? It doesn't feel real.

I think we've played 4 because in at least 1 i was a villager

you'r erather subdued this game so far

NAI

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:56 pm also wolfy pop in from seanzie

NAI

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:40 pm alison whats your read on seanzie?

Singular focus, small footprint. Wolftell. (Weak because it's early.)

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:28 pm kind of think aro is town but I'm basing this off of turbo meta which is prob bad

NAI but noted for later changes.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:02 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:54 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:40 pm k I didn't finish catch up gotta go see my parents

I feel like sean is intentionally mixing up his playstyle so I fear this is his attempt to not be polarized but don't know if he's more likely to do this as wolf or town

neon/wisp not w/w

this is the first game ever I think i've seen neon make serious posts day 1. doesn't feel scummy but I was absolutely snowed recently by them wolfing so i'll give tl for now but i'm inclined to re-eval later

You know I have one of the best wolf records on this site, right?

I'm good at obvtowning when I need to when I'm town, but that doesn't mean I'm polarized.

so why aren't you obvtowning this game?

Focus on Seanzie. Still mostly NAI.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:45 pm i like spf this game

NAI.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:07 am It's hard to catch up when there are like 20 new pages overnight when i can't post

Fair but NAI.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:07 am how come I see nanook talking on this page about voting on alison but they're on me?

Eh but NAI.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:10 am I'm not UTR, I'm just busy lol. I have to post while the baby naps

NAI.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:11 am I think ilario is hitting his town notes.

V
Mac
ilario

v lean
aro

null
everyone else

Scum lean
seanzie

NAI.

No mention of the SPF townread.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:13 am also for the record, when i was on yesterday the only time anyone interacted with me was when i said seanzie wasn't being obvtown like normal and he popped in right at that moment to not like it

Most of their posts at this point were about Seanzie or "I townread x". There's not a lot to engage with that tbh. This feels weird.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:13 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:11 am I think ilario is hitting his town notes.

V
Mac
ilario

v lean
aro

null
everyone else

Scum lean
seanzie

add spf to the v lean section

Quick enough that I'd generally call it an NAI mistake. But still noted.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:15 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:13 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:10 am I'm not UTR, I'm just busy lol. I have to post while the baby naps

I'm not saying its intentional? Mostly signaling the impact in the thread if it makes any sense.

And like, I know that Porscha being present in the thread and *doing* stuff is town indicative, so I put Porscha in wolflean because that's not happening. With you I dont have that type of insight and just observing tbh

activity isn't a tell for me, usually. I can post as wolf and villager. Activity is strictly based on availability

As someone who has the same issue I empathise with this. Also NAI.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:15 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:13 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:11 am I think ilario is hitting his town notes.

V
Mac
ilario

v lean
aro

null
everyone else

Scum lean
seanzie

Talk to me about aro?

I think he's explaining his reads better than he does when he's wolfing but my experience with him is mostly in turbos which is why it's only a lean

NAI mostly. Kinda weak but Dya admits it.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:17 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:15 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:13 am also for the record, when i was on yesterday the only time anyone interacted with me was when i said seanzie wasn't being obvtown like normal and he popped in right at that moment to not like it

Yeh, I think Seanzie kinda blatantly is on thread and doesnt seem to care about replying to most stuff but its quick to reply if there is a post relating to them.

But... I dont really know if that is AI? like, it just seemed so blatant to me that I read it as a playstyle thingy

I don't really see him solving in thread which is unusual for him

Not always but I can see this as an observation from town perspective.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:22 am @RondoDimBuckle

I'm not obv towning because I usually don't d1 and I've had limited time

I could make this wolfy but tbh there's explanations for it. (Wolfy "Why did it take so long to respond this? Possibly going back to respond because it's a teammate." but also "Catching up" and other explanations as town.)

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:35 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:16 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:02 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:54 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:40 pm k I didn't finish catch up gotta go see my parents

I feel like sean is intentionally mixing up his playstyle so I fear this is his attempt to not be polarized but don't know if he's more likely to do this as wolf or town

neon/wisp not w/w

this is the first game ever I think i've seen neon make serious posts day 1. doesn't feel scummy but I was absolutely snowed recently by them wolfing so i'll give tl for now but i'm inclined to re-eval later

You know I have one of the best wolf records on this site, right?

I'm good at obvtowning when I need to when I'm town, but that doesn't mean I'm polarized.

so why aren't you obvtowning this game?

Hello dya, I hope everything is going well with your baby since our last game together.

I think I've only played with a townSean, and I surely don't often see a townSean as an obvi townSean. What are you looking for in his posting you are not seeing here?

@Belzy

I expect to see Seanzie thinking in the thread and solving. I'm not seeing that. I expect seanzie to have pretty strong opinions about wolves. I'm not really seeing that, either

Hope you're doing well

Kinda wolfy interaction with someone I think flips red here (Belzy).

But mehNAI

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:53 am I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?

Almost like you had a "Null" section and a "Wolf lean" section on your readslist. This is just really un-charitable to Aro.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:56 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:54 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:53 am I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?

What do you think of my case on Santygrass?

I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you

Kinda NAI, notably a lot of Dya's focus on Seanzie's posts and thoughts.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:03 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:58 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:56 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:54 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:53 am I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?

What do you think of my case on Santygrass?

I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you

Can you point to a single place where he actually says something I've done could be bad?

He never states a townread of me, but look at the direction of every one of his assessments. Are his assessments positive or negative of my alignment?

his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there

NAI more interaction with Seanzie.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:10 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:09 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:03 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:58 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:56 am
I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you

Can you point to a single place where he actually says something I've done could be bad?

He never states a townread of me, but look at the direction of every one of his assessments. Are his assessments positive or negative of my alignment?

his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there

Describing my push as natural and "looks townie, but..." and again, never expressing anything that could suggest that they are critical of my push on them being an attack from a wolf. Dismissing my push as a skill issue rather than considering it as an attack.

Idk, it doesn't take too much effort on your part to see that their assessments of me are overly generous and do not contain any sort of doubt or worry about my alignment. If you can't see it, I don't know what to tell you, aside from the fact that I am wary about you trying to bring up Aro just as I'm pushing this hard on Santy. Maybe a coincidence, but now with you not being able to see the positive light Santy puts me in and the lack of concern from them about my alignment, it might not be coincidence.

I'm bringing up aro because i'm back reading to catch up. I'm sorry you see that as suspicious but multiple conversations can happen at once during forum mafia

The narrow focus on Aro/Seanzie is my first concern in this.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:30 am Since I posted my last reads list and have done a lot of questioning and interacting and backreading my list looks more like this.

Confident town

Allison
Belzy
ilario
Lilypetal
EnderWiggen
Neon
Tilgarial

Slight town lean

dyachei
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Seanzie

Slight wolf lean

arogame123
RondoDimBuckle

Wolf lean

Millium
Porscha
santygrass
staypositivefriend

@MacDougall how did i go from wolfy to towny in your reads list?

NAI

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:15 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:13 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:10 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:09 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:03 pm

his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there

Describing my push as natural and "looks townie, but..." and again, never expressing anything that could suggest that they are critical of my push on them being an attack from a wolf. Dismissing my push as a skill issue rather than considering it as an attack.

Idk, it doesn't take too much effort on your part to see that their assessments of me are overly generous and do not contain any sort of doubt or worry about my alignment. If you can't see it, I don't know what to tell you, aside from the fact that I am wary about you trying to bring up Aro just as I'm pushing this hard on Santy. Maybe a coincidence, but now with you not being able to see the positive light Santy puts me in and the lack of concern from them about my alignment, it might not be coincidence.

I'm bringing up aro because i'm back reading to catch up. I'm sorry you see that as suspicious but multiple conversations can happen at once during forum mafia

I don't really disagree, but it is something some wolves try to do, so I wanted to mention it.

About as solid of a read as your "wolfy popin" read on me.

wolves tend to pop in when their names come up and not a lot other times. kind of like you this game

NAI.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:21 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:20 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:15 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:13 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:10 pm

I'm bringing up aro because i'm back reading to catch up. I'm sorry you see that as suspicious but multiple conversations can happen at once during forum mafia

I don't really disagree, but it is something some wolves try to do, so I wanted to mention it.

About as solid of a read as your "wolfy popin" read on me.

wolves tend to pop in when their names come up and not a lot other times. kind of like you this game

Wolves also tend to try to change the course of discussion when one of their teammates slips or is in hot water. Kind of like you this game.

literally all you have done is talk about reads on you or reply to people when your name comes up

I've discussed with you why i don't agree with your read, I've interacted with people over their reads multiple times

I'm ALSO catching up on the thread

do you see the difference yet?

Eh but NAI

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:24 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:23 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:21 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:20 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:15 pm
wolves tend to pop in when their names come up and not a lot other times. kind of like you this game

Wolves also tend to try to change the course of discussion when one of their teammates slips or is in hot water. Kind of like you this game.

literally all you have done is talk about reads on you or reply to people when your name comes up

I've discussed with you why i don't agree with your read, I've interacted with people over their reads multiple times

I'm ALSO catching up on the thread

do you see the difference yet?

All I see is an outed wolf waiting to be flipped and someone who could possibly be their partner, but I'm not super confident on that second part.

lmao im not even v reading them seanzie

NAI still.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:25 pm apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading

This is a really weak fire back.

I want to note heavily that Dya's spent all this time ignoring a lot of content including the start of sus on Porscha.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:27 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:25 pm apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading

What does your stated read have to do with anything? Do you not believe in "distancing"? I don't even know your read on Santy.

All I know is that 1.) the timing of your post moving away from Santy to Aro seemed a bit suspicious, and 2.) the fact that you won't admit that "natural" and "townie, but..." are positive takes on a player. Is it enough to write home about? no. But it is enough to make me curious.

I have him as null

I don't distance like this as a wolf and you should know because you've seen me wolf at least twice

NAI self-meta.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:34 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:33 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:27 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:25 pm apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading

What does your stated read have to do with anything? Do you not believe in "distancing"? I don't even know your read on Santy.

All I know is that 1.) the timing of your post moving away from Santy to Aro seemed a bit suspicious, and 2.) the fact that you won't admit that "natural" and "townie, but..." are positive takes on a player. Is it enough to write home about? no. But it is enough to make me curious.

I have him as null

I don't distance like this as a wolf and you should know because you've seen me wolf at least twice

I don't remember anything about your approach to your partners in either of those games.

seems like a skill issue

NAI.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:38 pm so seanzie, why am I a potential partner to santy but not millium who has the same take I have?

So focused on Seanzie, but obviously aware of other parts of the thread.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:41 pm

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:40 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:34 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:33 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:31 pm

I have him as null

I don't distance like this as a wolf and you should know because you've seen me wolf at least twice

I don't remember anything about your approach to your partners in either of those games.

seems like a skill issue

whenever I see your avi, I keep thinking of chilly from champs
if you're mafia and win this game, it would be highly entertaining if your reactionpost was "Oh"

I've been rocking this avi for like 5 years or something

NAI.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:50 pm V
mac
ilario
millium

v lean
spf

scum lean
aro
seanzie
alison

No statement about Alison but still calling this NAI.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:18 pm alison i think i've been posting enough today to have more than a shrug read on for you

This is the only reason provided. It's kinda weak.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:19 pm [VOTE: aro] aubergine

Okay, HERE'S where it gets spicy. Aro wagon start when Porscha/Wisp are the wagons. Has never addressed Porscha sus, or anything about that at all. Has not even mentioned Porscha yet.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:20 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:19 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:18 pm alison i think i've been posting enough today to have more than a shrug read on for you

You have I just haven't read any of it because I haven't read a bunch of posts made when I was asleep. If you want I can do an ISO and share my thoughts.

yeah

NAI

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:20 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:19 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:19 pm [VOTE: aro] aubergine

You had me as leaning town to now voting me? Can you explain this progression and pop in with only about 40 minutes left in EOD? Lol

I explained earlier in posts you probably didnt read. I don't like that you have me in POE but have other people that had lowposted to that point in the null pile. also shouldnt null be in poe by definition?

Dya clearly has people with no read, aka "null", but not in scumleans. Perhaps difference in terminology usage but this is such a nitpick as to WHY Aro is the wagon.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:23 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:22 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:20 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:19 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:19 pm [VOTE: aro] aubergine

You had me as leaning town to now voting me? Can you explain this progression and pop in with only about 40 minutes left in EOD? Lol

I explained earlier in posts you probably didnt read. I don't like that you have me in POE but have other people that had lowposted to that point in the null pile. also shouldnt null be in poe by definition?

Well I felt uninspired when u came in so I just put u at border of poE/null. It was more so I had u in poE than having u scummy.

yes my issue isnt that you found me null. its that you put me in poe when you had a null section that wasnt in the poe. feels like a false categorization

This push is toothless. This is not a real reason to scumread someone over Millium "Selfvote" Wisp and Porscha "Wolfy" Porscha.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:25 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:23 pm Ok I did an ISO of dyachei and now I think they should be in the upper POE because I didn't like their approach to Seanzie. Asked me why I was townreading him, I gave a strong meta reason which Illario +1'd, and they didn't seem to take that into account at all... plus their suspicion of him stays even after he demonstrated the behaviors that they were suspecting him for not demonstrating. Such as having strong opinions on who is mafia.

The rest of their posts are shrug. Flat one liners that don't move me much one way or the other. If it wasn't for the Seanzie thing I might well come back and still have a shrug read on them.

yes because i was trying to get a feel for what you were doing in thread. I dont blindly follow your reads and you know that

NAI meh.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:26 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:26 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:23 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:22 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:20 pm

I explained earlier in posts you probably didnt read. I don't like that you have me in POE but have other people that had lowposted to that point in the null pile. also shouldnt null be in poe by definition?

Well I felt uninspired when u came in so I just put u at border of poE/null. It was more so I had u in poE than having u scummy.

yes my issue isnt that you found me null. its that you put me in poe when you had a null section that wasnt in the poe. feels like a false categorization

Oh I see, I guess it’s more so that I read some of ur content that felt kind of weak-ish in catchup hence why I had u in that poE but with others like chamile who were strict null and Nanook who I had agreed with some reads on and seanzie who seemed to get some town reads here and there. So that’s why I had the list the way I did and kind of made some solidifications there based on what I saw from my pov.


But I guess my question is, why do you vote me over ur other sr? What are ur thoughts on Seanzie since it seemed like u had some issues around his slot?

well after scum reading seanzie he actually did some work so I'm less sure on him right now

Meh.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:27 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:27 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:25 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:23 pm Ok I did an ISO of dyachei and now I think they should be in the upper POE because I didn't like their approach to Seanzie. Asked me why I was townreading him, I gave a strong meta reason which Illario +1'd, and they didn't seem to take that into account at all... plus their suspicion of him stays even after he demonstrated the behaviors that they were suspecting him for not demonstrating. Such as having strong opinions on who is mafia.

The rest of their posts are shrug. Flat one liners that don't move me much one way or the other. If it wasn't for the Seanzie thing I might well come back and still have a shrug read on them.

yes because i was trying to get a feel for what you were doing in thread. I dont blindly follow your reads and you know that

Do you agree with the logic of the read? ie. Do you agree with me when I say that Seanzie not caring how people read him is a towntell, and that Seanzie has not cared how people read him this game?

I don't think that's a town tell for him, no.

Tries to invalidate a town's reason for townreading another town. But I'll be generous and call this NAI.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:28 pm I hate policy votes tbh and millium had a similar read to me of seanzie's case

Has now addressed the Millium wagon. Still no mention of Porscha.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:29 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:28 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:27 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:27 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:25 pm

yes because i was trying to get a feel for what you were doing in thread. I dont blindly follow your reads and you know that

Do you agree with the logic of the read? ie. Do you agree with me when I say that Seanzie not caring how people read him is a towntell, and that Seanzie has not cared how people read him this game?

I don't think that's a town tell for him, no.

ok. I see you have improved your opinion on Seanzie after he started doing things as well. So perhaps you aren't treating Seanzie as poorly as I thought.

What are your reads on Wisp, aro and Porscha?

aro is a scum lean, wisp is a v lean, and no read on porscha

"No read on Porscha". First mention and it was because Alison has forced it.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:30 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:29 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:26 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:26 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:23 pm

yes my issue isnt that you found me null. its that you put me in poe when you had a null section that wasnt in the poe. feels like a false categorization

Oh I see, I guess it’s more so that I read some of ur content that felt kind of weak-ish in catchup hence why I had u in that poE but with others like chamile who were strict null and Nanook who I had agreed with some reads on and seanzie who seemed to get some town reads here and there. So that’s why I had the list the way I did and kind of made some solidifications there based on what I saw from my pov.


But I guess my question is, why do you vote me over ur other sr? What are ur thoughts on Seanzie since it seemed like u had some issues around his slot?

well after scum reading seanzie he actually did some work so I'm less sure on him right now

Shouldn't that be a red flag?

no. It's not a red flag because it seemed cross posted for 1 and for 2 you seemed to really believe it

NAI but still heavily focusing on Seanzie.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:31 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:30 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:28 pm I hate policy votes tbh and millium had a similar read to me of seanzie's case

You can vote Millium for being scummy instead of for policy if you want.

I dont really think he's being wolfy but I dont know his meta

NAI.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:31 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:31 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:29 pm aro is a scum lean, wisp is a v lean, and no read on porscha

I'd be ok with an aro vote as well. Aro and Wisp are my top two scumreads.

am voting aro currently

NAI.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:40 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:39 pm @dyachei so ur telling me that my placement of u in poE in comparison to others that I’ve already explained is why you sr? I just feel like it’s odd considering how I’m tr me earlier in comparison to have that be the reason to switch to Now want to vote me today over anyone else based on ur reads.

you weren't a strong tr and i said it might be for bad reasons multiple times

STILL hyperfocused on Aro/Seanzie.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:42 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:41 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:40 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:39 pm @dyachei so ur telling me that my placement of u in poE in comparison to others that I’ve already explained is why you sr? I just feel like it’s odd considering how I’m tr me earlier in comparison to have that be the reason to switch to Now want to vote me today over anyone else based on ur reads.

you weren't a strong tr and i said it might be for bad reasons multiple times

Right but still to change from a leaning town to a vote on day 1 just doesn’t sit right based on the reasoning you mentioned.

Like I even explained it to u and I feel like you dismissed it tbh.

yes i dont buy your explanation. it still seems like fake categorization.

Aro is pointing out how it feels like such a weak reason for Dya's apparent strength of read.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:43 pm and like the only reason to have that fake characterization is to keep me in the POE when others were wolf reading me.

Weak response.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:45 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:44 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:43 pm and like the only reason to have that fake characterization is to keep me in the POE when others were wolf reading me.

Yea but I stated my reasoning and that it’s borderline and I’m not even pushing u that hard.

I’m gonna state how I feel about my reads and place them where I feel is fit even if you feel like it’s unjustified compared to others.

and I'm allowed to make reads based on what you put into thread

NAI.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:46 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:45 pm Do you feel like I was “echo-ing” people’s sr on you Dya or voicing for u to get push or throw shade onto ur slot?

I think you were throwing shade on my slot and keeping me easy to mis-elim

This is such a reach of a read god.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:48 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:47 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:46 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:45 pm Do you feel like I was “echo-ing” people’s sr on you Dya or voicing for u to get push or throw shade onto ur slot?

I think you were throwing shade on my slot and keeping me easy to mis-elim

How so?

Before this convo, I never once really stated ur name as much or made a big post where I wanted u dead lol

yes, that's part of my issue with it. you threw me into POE without having discussed my posts like at all

Mrrrrrr.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:54 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:52 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:48 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:47 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:46 pm

I think you were throwing shade on my slot and keeping me easy to mis-elim

How so?

Before this convo, I never once really stated ur name as much or made a big post where I wanted u dead lol

yes, that's part of my issue with it. you threw me into POE without having discussed my posts like at all

I mean if I’m trying to mis-elim you, I’d do more than just put ur name in poE and now I’ve discussed why I did so in comparison to the other 3.

I feel like ur changing things now at first that U were upset that I placed you in poE in comparison to the other 3 to now you disliked that i put u in poE “for attempting to push u as an easy ml.”

you misunderstand

You're keeping me in easy reach to mis-elim. you're not actively trying right this second

This would be a surprising tunnel if town.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:55 pm nanook and the other name were not being consensus wolf read at the time, I was.

Mrrrr. Wolfy self-focus.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:59 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:55 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:54 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:52 pm

I mean if I’m trying to mis-elim you, I’d do more than just put ur name in poE and now I’ve discussed why I did so in comparison to the other 3.

I feel like ur changing things now at first that U were upset that I placed you in poE in comparison to the other 3 to now you disliked that i put u in poE “for attempting to push u as an easy ml.”

you misunderstand

You're keeping me in easy reach to mis-elim. you're not actively trying right this second

That's how he treated me too and he complained I was spinning false narratives when I called him out on it.

But you guys are kind of putting that in my mouth and are “anticipating what I’d do” when that’s not even true lol. Like you guys are thinking that’s what’s gonna happen but it hasn’t happen. So idk why you’d think about something that “could” happen when it hasn’t.

your defense is really "but I haven't done that yet"?

you're setting up to do it so we're calling you on it

I actually am disappointed in myself as a whole about this wagon so meh but NAI for this.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:03 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:01 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:59 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:55 pm

That's how he treated me too and he complained I was spinning false narratives when I called him out on it.

But you guys are kind of putting that in my mouth and are “anticipating what I’d do” when that’s not even true lol. Like you guys are thinking that’s what’s gonna happen but it hasn’t happen. So idk why you’d think about something that “could” happen when it hasn’t.

your defense is really "but I haven't done that yet"?

you're setting up to do it so we're calling you on it

But that’s disengenious is my point because you’re saying I’m doing that when that’s not my intention and then you saying “I will do that” is just really unfair since it’s assuming something.

And you know what they say, assume makes an ass out of u and me.

Also, Alison explicitly stated I tried to get votes on her today which that is not true. I never once tried to get votes piled on Alison today from others.

you do understand the game of mafia relies on picking up patterns and set ups, right? Like you have to make some assumptions regarding what people are doing to make reads

This is bad. Also echoing and pushing Alison to do this is feelsbad.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:04 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:03 pm So @dyachei do u think the 3 people I’ve placed in my nulls are my partners then that I didn’t put them in poE? Cause u seemed more upset about that at first of my treatment of u compared to the other 3 I had in my nulls lol.

not necessarily no. I think you're setting up easy mis-elims. That doesnt automatically make the people in the null pile your partners

talk about assumptions

Mrrrrr.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:28 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:26 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:32 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:33 pm i think porscha aro are never w/w

Porscha defends aro early and then takes issue with aro when he tries to take validity away from her TR of me. The convo doesn't read like w/w at all

Otherwise Porscha feels comfy in thread and hasn't done anything offensive. I wouldn't look there today and if aro flips W I'd lock her V

@staypositivefriend

porscha and aro are already a solved difference check

What have I missed here exactly

I am very confident that arogame is mafia and you are never teammed so you're a solved difference check lol.

why not vote aro with me?

(and cham is kind of feeling teammate-y to him rn)

Heavily advocating for Aro.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:33 pm mac, i have a light v read on millium rn, yeah. I think even if he is wolf, aro is more likely to be a wolf

Directing focus to the Millium wagon, once again ignoring the Porscha wagon.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:34 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:33 pm mac, i have a light v read on millium rn, yeah. I think even if he is wolf, aro is more likely to be a wolf

can you articulate why you think wisp is v?

i kind of liked their thought process when i was arguing with seanzie

Defending their position.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:35 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:34 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:33 pm mac, i have a light v read on millium rn, yeah. I think even if he is wolf, aro is more likely to be a wolf

can you articulate why you think wisp is v?

i kind of liked their thought process when i was arguing with seanzie

can you show me it and what you liked about it?

was a very similar thought process to mine. So it was kind of like mindmelding a bit.

More defending position.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:45 pm also dyachei is trying to pull votes off millium to put them onto arogame which could be simply to get porscha's wagon closer to millium's... especially given their stated reason for townreading wisp was trash.

no, i want votes to come off porscha and onto aro. i think aro is howling rn

SECOND reference to Porscha. Again directly when it's addressed to them.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:52 pm man i think cham and aro are both howling rn

Echo chambering a read Alison has.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:52 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:45 pm also dyachei is trying to pull votes off millium to put them onto arogame which could be simply to get porscha's wagon closer to millium's... especially given their stated reason for townreading wisp was trash.

no, i want votes to come off porscha and onto aro. i think aro is howling rn

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:28 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:26 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:24 pm

What have I missed here exactly

I am very confident that arogame is mafia and you are never teammed so you're a solved difference check lol.

why not vote aro with me?

(and cham is kind of feeling teammate-y to him rn)

I am voting millium. You strictly asked a millium voter to unvote.

i asked why you werent voting aro after saying you were confident he was mafia. i didnt look for your vote beyond seeing you were not on aro

"I don't care about the other wagons, certainly not the one on a wolf b-baka."

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:55 pm like i agree with mac that cham and aro are wolfing it up but buy trying to get votes on wolves im somehow protecting them?

Pushing the wagon again.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:57 pm

Chamomile wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:57 pm What does BTSC mean?

behind th scenes chat

NAI

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:01 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:58 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:55 pm like i agree with mac that cham and aro are wolfing it up but buy trying to get votes on wolves im somehow protecting them?

seanzie pointed out that the porscha wagon is close to millium's, you asked me to unvote millium and vote aro which would have made that even closer... not sure why you're confused why I made the statement I did... calm down anyway its not as if this goes anywhere

let me repeat since you seem unable to understand. i did not know you were voting millium

I think aro and cham are more likely to flip wolf than millium, as well. I don't want a wagon on porscha. I want wagons on cham and aro but mostly aro since there's a chance he could go over

Strangely resistant to a wagon on Porscha.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:02 pm seanzie also pointed that out after i asked you. and he was commenting more on someone else saying that porscha was probably mafia as a result of gamestate

Echoing the anti-Porscha-Mafia-On-Gamestate read.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:09 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:05 pm Lowkey Porscha been scummy as fuck during this last cpl hours lol.

Lowkey kinda agree but also Chamo howling makes me not care about that for now.

yeah but like does chamo and arogame being supremely scummy atm truly indicate that wisp is a hit like...

do they both just out themselves to save wisp who is 100% going over here?

@dyachei do you think porscha is scummier than wisp?

porscha is always a weird read for me. so yes because they are null. i just dont think they are the best wagon for today

"I'm not defending my partner honest."

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:11 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:10 pm Just go aro then he's mafia in every world.

are you trying to get porscha elimmed?

"Haha look at me post about limming my partner."

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:12 pm

Chamomile wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:12 pm Someone give me a gun tonight and I'll reward you by shooting mafia.

you would shoot yourself?

NAI but actually funny.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:14 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:13 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:11 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:10 pm Just go aro then he's mafia in every world.

are you trying to get porscha elimmed?

tbf I said mac was being silly when he accused you of that

was a joke

NAI

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:29 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:27 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:25 pm I will be flipping town so once again, please do not be discouraged if you are town and are on my wagon. It happens, don’t worry about it.

Just promise me you’ll win the game and follow my legacy

we still have 2 and a half hours of the dayphase left and you are nearly tied with another wagon so idk why youre throwing in the towel so early. it seems quite possible for you to survive dont u think?

hour 30 i think isnt it?

NAI

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:12 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:08 pm Kk Nanook is considered Outed then and I will do my utmost to absolute murderize them

Alison has claimed stuff like this before and was only telling half truths. I kind of get why nanook doesnt trust her. I don't think nook is outed at all

This mildly might be pairing with Nanook lol.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:27 pm

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:25 pm I'm also not sure what to think about the thread suddenly going silent after everything boiled over into the aro wagon, I was kind of expecting there to be more energy around

am still here. just had to feed the baby momentarily

NAI

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:34 pm

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:31 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:27 pm

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:25 pm I'm also not sure what to think about the thread suddenly going silent after everything boiled over into the aro wagon, I was kind of expecting there to be more energy around

am still here. just had to feed the baby momentarily

Yeah, people are still here
But the wagon movements/considerations are dead

i think aro is outed so im not really concerned

also would be ok with a chamomile wagon

NAI.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:35 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:35 pm Honestly, with 10 votes and no competitive wagon, I can't really do much but provide my legacy.

I am not worried cause I know my town got this in the bag hehe

you've had like an hour to provide it and I see nothing

NAI. Still pushing on Aro.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:37 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:36 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:35 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:35 pm Honestly, with 10 votes and no competitive wagon, I can't really do much but provide my legacy.

I am not worried cause I know my town got this in the bag hehe

you've had like an hour to provide it and I see nothing

I was busy lol and was watching football.

But I have provided my reads/legacies in depth quite a bunch and it's pretty clear where I stand.

summarize

NAI.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:41 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:40 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:34 pm

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:31 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:27 pm

am still here. just had to feed the baby momentarily

Yeah, people are still here
But the wagon movements/considerations are dead

i think aro is outed so im not really concerned

also would be ok with a chamomile wagon

I don't understand how you think I am outted when I have never claimed mafia or anything but have continued to give reads throughout the day.

Just know you may be victorious rn but the town will come for u upon my death, so I do not worry hehe

giving reads is not alignment indicative. I think your pushes have been wolfy

But also Dya sussed for exactly reads and not the pushes made.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:43 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:42 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:41 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:40 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:34 pm

i think aro is outed so im not really concerned

also would be ok with a chamomile wagon

I don't understand how you think I am outted when I have never claimed mafia or anything but have continued to give reads throughout the day.

Just know you may be victorious rn but the town will come for u upon my death, so I do not worry hehe

giving reads is not alignment indicative. I think your pushes have been wolfy

I am pushing on Porscha who u null read what?

I tr Wisp who u tr as well?

Which of my pushes have been wolfy?

And if u say urs then it's just blatantly false lmfao

its mroe the way you've been pushing them. but i dont think porscha has been as bad as you claim and I didnt like your take on their wagon being stale because they had like 6 votes at the time

Ew.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:44 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:44 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:43 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:42 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:41 pm

giving reads is not alignment indicative. I think your pushes have been wolfy

I am pushing on Porscha who u null read what?

I tr Wisp who u tr as well?

Which of my pushes have been wolfy?

And if u say urs then it's just blatantly false lmfao

its mroe the way you've been pushing them. but i dont think porscha has been as bad as you claim and I didnt like your take on their wagon being stale because they had like 6 votes at the time

And they all redirected to Wisp/me lol.

And the way I've been pushing them? Can you elaborate further bc that's pretty vague

i mean, it feels like you've been opportunistic with your reads and vote all day

"It's not your reads but it's your reads."

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:45 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:44 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:29 pm So, for town, we have mac/Ilario/Nanook/ender/Rondo/Lily

Don’t kill in there and we should be fine.

Below that, we have spf/neon/wisp where they need some attention but def not on high radar rn. Spf pushing me isn’t a good look but it’s fine, I trust her if she’s town to turn it around.

Alison mentioned she can inno herself so if she can’t do that, you just insta kill her, that simple.

Then we have the kill list:

You guys should kill Porscha, Tilg, Dya, Santy, Cham, and Seanzie.

You should always start with Porscha after me and go from there and evaluate, thanks!

Ah here it is! This is my legacy arigato

you really think me/seanzie was w/w theater?

Lol.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:47 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:46 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:44 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:44 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:43 pm
its mroe the way you've been pushing them. but i dont think porscha has been as bad as you claim and I didnt like your take on their wagon being stale because they had like 6 votes at the time

And they all redirected to Wisp/me lol.

And the way I've been pushing them? Can you elaborate further bc that's pretty vague

i mean, it feels like you've been opportunistic with your reads and vote all day

How so? Every vote I made was on someone who I was either pushing to get a read on or sr?

You can't say it's opportunistic when I also voted on Neon at a time when she had no votes lol.

I also mentioned my issues on Porscha prior to her wagon growing. If I was opportunistic, I'd hop on the Wisp bandwagon and keep my lips sealed.

then we'll agree to disagree. because i think your vote on porscha was opportunistic

"I have no read on this person but you voting there was opportunistic."

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:49 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:48 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:47 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:46 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:44 pm

i mean, it feels like you've been opportunistic with your reads and vote all day

How so? Every vote I made was on someone who I was either pushing to get a read on or sr?

You can't say it's opportunistic when I also voted on Neon at a time when she had no votes lol.

I also mentioned my issues on Porscha prior to her wagon growing. If I was opportunistic, I'd hop on the Wisp bandwagon and keep my lips sealed.

then we'll agree to disagree. because i think your vote on porscha was opportunistic

lol, we've clearly been in an agree to disagree this whole game esp when I clarified my stances on you but you refused to listen.

Like even with this convo, what are u getting out of it?

I am going to die regardless, like if ur town, you should be discussing with me about my reads, not to continue to "attempt" burrying me lol

you literally asked. I asked you for your legacy, remember?

NAI. I'll give it NAI.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:50 pm what do i get out of it by continuing to go at you if I'm a wolf?

Focus and a lack of requirement to read anyone else today.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:50 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:50 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:49 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:48 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:47 pm

then we'll agree to disagree. because i think your vote on porscha was opportunistic

lol, we've clearly been in an agree to disagree this whole game esp when I clarified my stances on you but you refused to listen.

Like even with this convo, what are u getting out of it?

I am going to die regardless, like if ur town, you should be discussing with me about my reads, not to continue to "attempt" burrying me lol

you literally asked. I asked you for your legacy, remember?

And I provided it

not before bitching about it being in the thread first

NAI.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:53 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:51 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:50 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:50 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:49 pm
you literally asked. I asked you for your legacy, remember?

And I provided it

not before bitching about it being in the thread first

? You didn't respond to my reads/legacy lol

idk why ur getting upset dya.

not upset at all

just responding to your points in thread

NAI.

END OF DAY ONE:
Summary:
Focused entirely on Aro/Seanzie. Provided almost no content that wasn't a throwaway "I townread x" outside pushing them. Weak reasons and changing goalposts. Slight add of Chamo pushing. All 3 were town.

Tl;dr
1. Narrow focus on Seanzie/Aro on Early D1.
2. Starts the Aro counterwagon to Porscha having NEVER interacted, mentioned, or even addressed anything about Porscha. Doesn't mention or address Porscha/Porscha wagon until Alison forces them to.
3. Sussed Aro for reads and then claimed reads aren't the reason and that it was pushes. Look through Dya's ISO and work out which push.
4. EVEN when Dya finally admits to sussing Porscha on D2, never commits to primary wagon them and pushes Seanzie/Chamo/Alison over them until Lily rescinds Mech defense and asks people to wagon. The moment the Mech defense appears it swaps over again.
5. Constantly undermines Mac's reads while calling him town. (Pocketing due to loverised with teammate.) This is INSTANT on D2, where from the start of it Dya engages with Mac as "Wrong towny" from their first set of posts.

[VOTE: Dyachei] aubergine

(Post was too long so I'm splitting it in 2.)

for a first impression, for an ender case this has a lot of "NAI" written next to "evidence"

[VOTE: Ender ] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:43 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:40 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:39 am @EnderWiggin what's your gut tell you re. Ilario?

Lol crossposted you bruv.

pockety post Ender

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:44 am cool page 42 done onto Dya

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:42 am 10 people alive.

There is NOT 4 mafia, else this would be announced lylo.

If Belzy is loverised, 2 + 1 = 7. So lylo if Belzy and Mac are town. If one is mafia (Belzy) then we have 1 ml spare.

4 town confirmed > 3. 3 days.

You need one more confirmed town to lock game ilario.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:41 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:39 am Also if it wasn't obvious by me appealing to ilario to consider that sometimes I'm right then lemme say it:

I kinda think ilario has been pocketed and I was trying to get him to see it.

i give everyone the benefit of the doubt fwiw. it could be just me whose the one thats confbiased, i tr u more strongly than dya now after all this so ill side with you if i have to pick a side. i think ur both town personally though.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:40 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:39 am @EnderWiggin what's your gut tell you re. Ilario?

Lol crossposted you bruv.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:39 am if i take nook ender millium is that enough to win even if we ml dya?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:38 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:36 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:35 am Cuz if it's ilario it can straight up just be both neon and lily... which of you was speculating that their interactions today looked like theatre?

Could be. Could be Rondo.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:36 am Maybe this is where we get the Ilario redemption arc where he's right on Rondo.

it could always be Rondo. But I dont like Enders egging on here

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:36 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:43 pm Voters: Millium, arogame123, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, EnderWiggin, ilario

Two lock wolves, a permanent memver of the POE, a top town, and a shrug slot.

Catch me on this wagon never.

Which ones are witch here?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:31 am I really hope I'm right and Mac is just town.

Because this would be the first lategame where Mac and me as town actually find each other lmao.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:27 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:27 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:25 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:09 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:05 am ender can you please case dya after u do ur live posting thing cos i think that will be the best way for me to find you. my primary issue with u is that whilst u feel towny when ur doing ur catchups and in live posts i feel like ur pushes have been quite tactical and i can see an agenda behind it.

I am going to case Dya now yes.

I said I would do it today and being exhausted doesn't stop me.

Also my D&D got cancelled so lol.

NOOOOOOOOOOO! Why didnt you tell me? I would have cancelled my plans. Well... maybe.. ok no. But I would have given you a sympathy word or two that in the grand scheme of things mean nothing

Open page 42. Read it. Give me 20 minutes of the level of analysis you provided that won town the game in KOTH.

why 42?

ok on it