The Syndicate

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:14 am Vote me if you like but please don't accuse me of game throwing. Ty

Sabi opened day 2 getting voted by Porscha. Pushed by me. Pushed by Axe. All before you showed up. They fumbled enough for it to be easy for me to see them just asking you to bus them upon arrival, which frankly when you did I got the impression that you were. And then self hammering to stop spewing more townies is not a misplay or a throw. I'm not accusing you of game throwing. Make better defenses than that.

It actually quite looks like they were waiting for you to show up to vote them to self hammer.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:04 pm I was also wrong on Alison.

So that means Mac is probably a wolf.

Mac is awesome?

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:10 am But yeah before I was rudely interrupted say 2 I voted sabi because they always fuss with you so them suddenly going Mac is awesome was a red flag after two town deaths. Never really got past that. I brought up falcon because they were there too and I wanted to start at eod for discussion since that was the most lucid I was all say.

I think Sabi didn't want to play anymore and asked to be bussed by you.

A control freak as scum might make sabi enjoy playing mafia less tbh.

*them

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:04 am But yeah I had a lucy ping and I was like fuck it I am going for it.

Also tbh I would have never condoned what sabi did as their team mate. That was really not cool.

Like you could have stopped her or even seen it coming lol.

I think I'm at like

60% Achro
20% Wilgy
18% Falcon
2% Porscha

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:48 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:42 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:41 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:38 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:34 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:32 am @falcon45ca why am in your POE exactly?
You're typically much better at reading me, the NKs make sense from you, and pushing my lynch for a hammer this RD? I'm an easy mislynch, as you know
How do the NKs make sense from me? Both of them were townreading me. NAA specifically said he was gonna take me to f3. I was Alison's top town.

Also no I haven't, I've been blocking the hammer.
I think I recall a post of yours earlier about just yeeting me this RD and getting it over with, but perhaps I'm mistaken.

Maf kill town who TR them all the time, and Alison given enough time certainly is a threat to Maf Mac.

Why is my sus of your slot so implausible?
I didn't say it was implausible. I just wanted you to articulate why so I could check that you had solid reasoning.
I don't have a mountain of scummy evidence, we don't have near enough info. Now that uouve heard my reasons?

That you have some is a positive. I think the most positive thing in your favour though is that it appeared as though both Sabi and Achromatic were manipulating you at the end of day 1 to vote for Lucy and Seanzie.

I think I wanna go achro here.

Wilgy doesn't seem to have any agenda throughout any of this. He has the feel of a bystander lol.

The question for me becomes... why does Sabi even bother changing her vote from Wilgy to Seanzie at all? Seanzie had Sabi as town at least as per that last readslist I shared. Why did Sabi decide to bury Lucy and Seanzie... they were both supporters of Sabi (compared to who got left on the table).

Was it literally just opportunism to remove two good players, which would point at it being a coordinated effort with Achro?

Or was it simply to save Wilgy?

@Porscha what you thinking now?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:42 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:38 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:35 am @falcon45ca in the post I quoted above you said you found Achro as town and that was why you decided to just sheep his lucy push. This is pretty contradictory to the notion that you found him pockety. And I can only assume your current arguments towards him are talking about stuff prior to that moment. Show me some of the posts he made that made you feel like he was pocketing you?
I've already stated that the pocket vibes came afterwards, don't be cheeky
The pocket vibes from achro came after day 1?

As in... on the day that pretty much didn't occur at all because Sabi self hammered and Achro made like 2 posts?

Or today?
Archo had a post on the short RD about me being town, being a good guy helping, someone (I can't remember) was sussing my EOD votes

Yeah it's that post I quoted. Fair enough...

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:41 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:38 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:34 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:32 am @falcon45ca why am in your POE exactly?
You're typically much better at reading me, the NKs make sense from you, and pushing my lynch for a hammer this RD? I'm an easy mislynch, as you know
How do the NKs make sense from me? Both of them were townreading me. NAA specifically said he was gonna take me to f3. I was Alison's top town.

Also no I haven't, I've been blocking the hammer.
I think I recall a post of yours earlier about just yeeting me this RD and getting it over with, but perhaps I'm mistaken.

Maf kill town who TR them all the time, and Alison given enough time certainly is a threat to Maf Mac.

Why is my sus of your slot so implausible?

I didn't say it was implausible. I just wanted you to articulate why so I could check that you had solid reasoning.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:54 pm [VOTE: sabi] aubergine

Falcon was a good lad and helped me out. Find it hard to believe sabi actually sheeped mac who does that tbh.

I take it you simply mean this post?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:35 am @falcon45ca in the post I quoted above you said you found Achro as town and that was why you decided to just sheep his lucy push. This is pretty contradictory to the notion that you found him pockety. And I can only assume your current arguments towards him are talking about stuff prior to that moment. Show me some of the posts he made that made you feel like he was pocketing you?
I've already stated that the pocket vibes came afterwards, don't be cheeky

The pocket vibes from achro came after day 1?

As in... on the day that pretty much didn't occur at all because Sabi self hammered and Achro made like 2 posts?

Or today?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:34 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:32 am @falcon45ca why am in your POE exactly?
You're typically much better at reading me, the NKs make sense from you, and pushing my lynch for a hammer this RD? I'm an easy mislynch, as you know

How do the NKs make sense from me? Both of them were townreading me. NAA specifically said he was gonna take me to f3. I was Alison's top town.

Also no I haven't, I've been blocking the hammer.

@falcon45ca in the post I quoted above you said you found Achro as town and that was why you decided to just sheep his lucy push. This is pretty contradictory to the notion that you found him pockety. And I can only assume your current arguments towards him are talking about stuff prior to that moment. Show me some of the posts he made that made you feel like he was pocketing you?

@falcon45ca why am in your POE exactly?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:55 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:52 pm Yeah game kind of left me behind.

Not feeling Mac Alison or porscha Elim today.

Can I interest you in lucy falcon
Lucy is...odd. For sure, I don't know if it's a posting style thing, or something different, but I also find your reasonings i asked you about earlier to be....less than ideal.

BUT!

I am finding you as town now, so in the spirit of co-operation

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

[VOTE: Sean] aubergine

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:52 pm Yeah game kind of left me behind.

Not feeling Mac Alison or porscha Elim today.

Can I interest you in lucy falcon

Achro and Sabi orchestrated the Seanzie/Lucy wagons in the absence of other players. Both worked towards that outcome. They were both also hard defending me from Falcon. Going hard for the pocket in near lockstep.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:27 pm Falcon voting me without engaging sucks
Lucy not doing anything that sounds genuine sucks
Wilgy coming in and being like wtf is based tbh

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:28 pm Also the whole he had like a million votes earlier and one of them was lucy helps

More Achro being a weird pest lol.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:22 pm I've read the people voting me with a ctl F on my name.

The only one that feels like they may be picking the low hanging fruit is Porscha.

NAA/Sabi don't follow a pattern similar.

Here's Wilgy sussing Porscha for voting him while defending Sabi for same.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:19 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:47 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:44 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:40 pm We all agree this contains mafia right?

Voters: Alison, Achromatic, MacDougall, lucy, Porscha
Actually this is almost certainly true. If Wilgy is town then mafia are just parking on him for a free kill. If Wilgy is mafia he is very likely being bussed.
not my boy wilgy

I just wish he had like a single post relating to the game so I could TR them

cuz the first time I ever played with them I caught them wolfing in a mountainous by avoiding game discussion. sadge
Yuck

Here be weird shit...

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:04 pm Reread some.

Bit feeling as confident in Alison/mac

Voting Wilgz (literally said nothing) and lucy (really don't like last night posting) (I'm sorry)

Oh here is the call out. First mention I think of Wilgy in the entire day and dropped it almost immediately to vote seanzie instead.

One thing that's quite odd is that apparently Sabi had voted Wilgy cuz they unvoted Wilgy in order to vote for Seanzie at the end of the day. But they said essentially nothing about Wilgy the entire day and I can't even find where they called out the Wilgy vote they moved from.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:32 am Catching up :

Not a huge fan of the tone of the game being super laid back and fun to serious and clinical. Not really what I signed up for but whatever I digress.

Alison entering the game, she felt agenda driven. Don't really like the shots made at me. I do have pretty accurate reads, Mac can attest to that so like don't insult me.

Achro seems off and I don't like his woo kill me I suck so bad shtick at all. Achro isn't this feeble and pedestrian.

Naa looks good. I have that gut read on that slot for the last two games so I'm going with it.

Porscha seems off when pressure was applied to her. She didn't like try to pocket people like she did in previous game so idk how to take that. But I don't like her treatment on the Alison slot at all so maybe equity?

Mac sometimes feels town with his passion with his fight with alison but I have seen wolf Mac do the same theater and act before.

Lucy I still can't fucking read for the life of me even if I try. Ask me by d3.

I think there's only one wolf in mac/alison.

The only two players that she leaves out of this solve are Wilgy and Falcon... so I'm inclined to just assume the wolf is between them.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:52 pm Sean wasmt committed to going toe to toe with Mac

Sabi is actually trying to convince Falcon to vote for Seanzie at this point by utilising my incorrect arguments.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:52 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:51 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:48 pm What's your case on Mac. I like Mac today.
What do you like about him?
Him saying that Sean would exactly open wolf like that

This is also good looking for Falcon.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:50 pm I changed from Wilgz to Sean. Idk Mac seemed convincing

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:54 pm I'm rethinking if I tr Falcon too early. He's frozen

This is an ok look for the Falc

I would have this game easily solved if we had the Modbot tools to check on votecount at certain points lol.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 5:04 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:59 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:53 pm Sean, I can't read him.

Mac, has not been towny so he's on the lower side of null atm.
I can do the first part for you. just hold my hand

ok question: if you weren't a part of mac's 2-man solve, would you still find his play nontown? do you think his argument with lucy on her play has merit?
I would still find his play non town esp if he voted someone who didn't enter the thread.

Yea I realize I'm a hypocrite doing that for Alison.

But his argument about lucy reads show some merit but I hate how he did it in a skeevy way.

Anyway walk me through Sean

The way Sabi is obsessed with getting Porscha to articulate her suspicion of Seanzie simply clears her. Especially given it produced.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 5:09 pm Yeah, Porscha's wolf.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:49 am I don't think Falcon is it anymore. He's a lot more active and doesn't seem burnt out like in draft.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

stumbled over this one again... still not liking it

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:59 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:58 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:57 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:52 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:51 pm I think maybe Porscha is town for the same reason Falcon is town. Seem more active compared to past games but unlike Falcon Porscha is solving. I'm more confident that Porscha might be town more than Falcon.

Achro seems off tho.
Posted too early. Achro is trying too hard to sheep vs leading this early into the game. Not enough ego posting.
I think his posts implicitly has enough ego and idk.............................. I don't think he feels too sheep considering his IRL stuff going on

but if it's achro/mac power wolf power couple, then consider me entertained
Would their sex tape be hot tho?
they're both doms so unsure of how that would work out. but I see potential

i kinda wanna clear achro off this

I didn't say apologise. No need to get upset I'm just trying to leave no stone unturned.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:46 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:43 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:42 am Sorry sabi if you read this but it's like aww. They aren't doing very well but at least they are posting.
It's just a strange read to make from a town to a wolf you know... It's not a massive leap of logic for me to read all of your day 1 play as just trying to downplay Sabi as a threat and push the gamestate into non Sabi directions. I mean you literally did that several times overtly.
Yeah but not every read is meant to be that big of a deal. I am empathetic and I am guessing I just didn't find much to grab onto at that point. I really don't remember but I would have said sometbing substantial either direction if I felt that way.

Also uhh. Sabi wasn't a threat see day 2 lol. Mean maybe but was I wrong?

That's pretty disingenuous. Sabi was still 50% of the wolf team. Suggesting they weren't a threat because they died d2 to justify turning a blind eye to their wolfiness day 1 is a pretty poor argument.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:47 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:44 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:43 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:40 am That's not to say there aren't good moments too Achro but like, you're obviously a fine player I would expect that.
Oh dude I was exhausted it's all good lol. I was shit day 1 I am surprised there are any good moments.
I more meant like if I am sitting here confirmation biasing you as a wolf there are posts I am looking at going "jeez that's a good wolf post" not just these ones I am quoting which are really not so good lol.

Were..there good town posts too?

Yeah I thought your approach to Lucy was quite pro town and actually caused Lucy to get townier. Obviously the end result wasn't so good. It's also pretty strange teammate play to sort of vote Sabi because Lucy was shielding them. It's like ... good town play but INSANELY good maybe too good wolf play?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:45 pm Probably too early to do this, but meh.

falcon45ca

Sabiplz

Porscha

lucy
MacDougall
Achromatic

NotAnAxehole

--------------no read------------
Alison
Drwilgy

I know Wilgy has posted, but I can't remember a single one, so for this quicksort, the only place I can confidently put them is with Alison.

I'm not quoting this to disrespect Seanzie, but it's worth noting that Seanzie had Sabi as 2nd top town and Alison as a wolf here ... Falcon might be the other wolf so it's actually possible Seanzie's top two town were wolves. This makes people who pushed Seanzie on day one myself included, kind of justified. Like for me personally when I see someone who is diametrically opposed to my worldview I tend to just assume they're mafia lol.

The interesting part of it all is that Sabi, Falcon, Achro, Porscha and I were ALL voting him ... and Wilgy wasn't lol. Like almost his entire townlist was voting him lol. But not Wilgy, the dude who he had at the bottom here. Why is Sabi voting Seanzie by the end of the day if he is a potential saviour if he's wrong on the rest and they are all voting him? Wouldn't it make more sense for Sabi to shield/pocket him? I need to see how his read on Sabi develops to figure out why Sabi voted him.

All very curious.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:43 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:40 am That's not to say there aren't good moments too Achro but like, you're obviously a fine player I would expect that.
Oh dude I was exhausted it's all good lol. I was shit day 1 I am surprised there are any good moments.

I more meant like if I am sitting here confirmation biasing you as a wolf there are posts I am looking at going "jeez that's a good wolf post" not just these ones I am quoting which are really not so good lol.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:42 am Sorry sabi if you read this but it's like aww. They aren't doing very well but at least they are posting.

It's just a strange read to make from a town to a wolf you know... It's not a massive leap of logic for me to read all of your day 1 play as just trying to downplay Sabi as a threat and push the gamestate into non Sabi directions. I mean you literally did that several times overtly.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:18 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:00 pm It's Mac n Sabi, gg.
you are half right
yeah mac would know huh ;p (the half right is mac being wolf)

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:00 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:42 pm Forgot to call my votes.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine [VOTE: Sabi] aubergine
we are simultaneously sheeping mac vote on sabi while voting wolf partner mac to distance I see

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:04 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:45 pm I agree with achro. Sabi and Lucy seem to be the mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:45 pm [VOTE: Sabi] aubergine

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine
I hate this. thanks

Now let's not pretend Porscha doesn't have something to answer for here either.

That's not to say there aren't good moments too Achro but like, you're obviously a fine player I would expect that.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:26 pm Jjj is regretting another one of his games stopped being pg13/family friendly

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:28 pm Being gay is fun

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:43 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:40 pm Exactly one player is voting optimally.
Whomst is it?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:44 pm Can't believe naa is talking mafia while we are chatting about sexual related stuff.

Wolfy

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:08 pm Anyway porscha is a new woman and mac is making sense whenever he posts I am like 'that checks out' so I like those people.

Lucy is voting obviously different porscha so that's not a good look tbh

Sabi is trying her best I think.

Seanzie is scum reading Mac how original

Naa is too sexy for this game

Wilgy is a villain

And Alison is null and if you want to lynch her I promise I won't stop you please make it stop.

There are the Sabi posts immediately preceding your defense... doesn't really stack up to me.

None of the other reads are all that townie either tbh.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:52 pm Yeah game kind of left me behind.

Not feeling Mac Alison or porscha Elim today.

Can I interest you in lucy falcon

Here is another quite bizarre post where you shielded us but then pushed away from sabi at the same time.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:53 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:51 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:48 pm What's your case on Mac. I like Mac today.
What do you like about him?
I thought he looked a lot better than lucy in lucy vs Mac earlier tbh. Big thing for me since I am w reading lucy

What you liked about me, was that I was pushing Lucy ... which isn't great in hindsight given Lucy was town.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:55 pm Eh seanzie didn't do much for me. Let me speed run an iso

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:58 pm Nothing unpartnered for seanzie in lucy good enough for me.

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

And the way you justified your Seanzie vote at the end of the day when nobody else was around was just ... shit.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:08 pm Anyway porscha is a new woman and mac is making sense whenever he posts I am like 'that checks out' so I like those people.

Lucy is voting obviously different porscha so that's not a good look tbh

Sabi is trying her best I think.

Seanzie is scum reading Mac how original

Naa is too sexy for this game

Wilgy is a villain

And Alison is null and if you want to lynch her I promise I won't stop you please make it stop.

Achro can you explain what made you frame your defense of sabi this way at the time?

I think the towniest and best play I made in this game was actually unrelated to Sabi and was in fact during the stage of day 1 when Alison and Axe were at each other's throats and I had tinfoil of them both but eventually reevaluated both of them to be town. This choked the POE in a way that I think directly led to Sabi being too outed by POE on day 2 to do much of anything.

It's probably more rational to make a defensive argument in Falcon's case over the n1 kill not the n2 kill. Given I was pushing him most of the day and ended the day voting him. I still think a Sabi/Falcon pairing stands to gain more by killing Alison n1 than they would by killing me. I think anyone left in the game kills NAA and promotes me as a candidate here. Pushing me here is logical from a level 1 perspective because simply I was the only one that didn't vote Sabi. I did however push Sabi on both days (I pulled many many quotes) and promoted Sabi as in my POE of 3 that wins the game. I am pretty obviously not Sabi's teammate for a number of reasons that can be easily seen just by viewing their ISO.

Sabi hammering before i had a chance to do anything was probably just as much to ensure that I didn't get a chance to further spew myself unpartnered to them.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:49 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:48 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:48 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:51 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:49 pm I feel like almost everyone starting the day going 'hm Mac is sus' answers this.
Huh?
seconding the huh here
I voted Mac. You voted Mac. Falcon has Mac in his 2
yeah no I get that part, I wanted to know what your conclusion was
Oh. That's why Mac wasn't killed. Because either it is Mac and he is a God or mafia thought he could be pushed

Well at this stage you have to decide who you can chop. What chance does anyone alive have of pushing NAA after that flare up? Everyone else is at least plausible by comparison.

I think I'm probably willing to ride or die with Porscha and Wilgy here.

Falcon/Achro in any order. Sorry if that's a loss.

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