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[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

probably

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:07 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:06 pm I did this a lot in the mash
I am not seeing anything in the wolf game you posted that is making me think that I am not looking at the same version of you though.
wait wait wait, you think my scum play was good?

no it's just superficially the same looking stuff, I haven't had the time to really read it yet I just skimmed it to see if there is any surface similarity and ... there is.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:07 pm iso my mash play, you'll see 2-3 other god reads

I already said that I don't have any doubt that you make reads like this. It is not really what I am trying to figure out right now. I am sure that if you are town that you believe the read you have. I need to figure out whether your mafia play has faking them within it, pushing on the green check's top town to project that you aren't a wolf in survival mindset etc. You aren't playing like a level 1 (or even really level 2) wolf.

My goal here is to work out who to chop today because this is the last chop I will influence, so my motives are unusual. This is essentially f3 for me with 7 other players.

I need to figure out whether I should just sleepwalk to chopping you and then let the rest of the town figure it out if I'm wrong, or if I'm actually willing to let you live past me.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:06 pm I did this a lot in the mash

I am not seeing anything in the wolf game you posted that is making me think that I am not looking at the same version of you though.

I think it bodes rather well for you that your choice of who to push here as the bottom POE is the person that I am least likely to agree with you on. That is what I need to ascertain whether you are capable of doing as mafia because if you were mafia doing this you would most likely be doing this specifically to demonstrate that your interest is in solving and not surviving which is very clever.

I wouldn't be surprised if Dyslexicon was mafia and did do that stuff as mafia. I'd be like "dang". Not surprised. But it's also just anti the probability mindset I solve with when I'm in this particular hyper fixated headspace.

their*

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:02 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:49 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:43 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:41 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:34 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:07 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:04 pm

Axes filter is certainly cryptic. Don't really get the movie references and don't even think they made that many different movies of Pirates OTC. But maybe I'll get it another time.
He's consistent in sheeping MacDougall, explains some Mac-Sean history.
Tone overall reads good to me.

I think I'd townlean this at least for D1 because he semi-freely gave information.
I might join him on that and go matt here.
So, just so I understand correctly.

You think it is a better chance of a hit to vote the first time FM player who is, by account of someone who knows them, outside of both their normal town AND wolf metas and has openly displayed issues with the FM format day one versus someone who by all accounts went from having a null read on Mac to having a big town read on them without showing any of their work at all.

Why do you think Tommy has even above a random chance of being a wolf atm?
Do you think Tommy is exact rand here?

Also, early game you mentioned how you'd just chop me if I had low WIM. Does this not apply to Tommy, who is arguably the one giving the least this game?
Do I need to explain the difference between a first time FM player and yourself?

Standards, wolf ranges, etc etc.
In this context, yeah I think you do
Oh, sure.

So you are a well established player who if I put the screws to you in some form or fashion will have a relatively known range of reactions for everyone to judge you on and to attempt to divine your alignment. If you are slacking off and suddenly under a microscope that's probably going to yield information that can be read by people.

Tommy, on the other hand, is an unknown quantity and to my eye hasn't really done anything noteworthy one way or another. This is not ideal, however with their stated dislike of FM so far as well as their noted inexperience it doesn't make them very formidable wolves down the line in the 'people are right he is wolf' even if I think it is for dubious reasons. likewise, because he is inexperienced, there is a large chance he becomes polarized when he does get his teeth into the game and we can proceed more appropriately.

Trying to say Tommy is the best lynch today is like ordering your steak well done. Technically it is a thing you can do, but why?
So you wanting to put the microscope on me, so to say, would be a way to gain reactions and info out of me? Is that correct? In which case, don't count on it. Slacking is something I do from time to time, depending on time. I didn't think I would have the time to read D1 this game, but I took the time now.

Do you also not think that putting the microscope on Tommy can yield information? Also, I'm not sure why you necessarily expect him to become more clear later on, as he is for everyone but Lucy and unknown entity. And thus far he hasn't really shown any interest in contributing a whole lot or FM at all, as you allude to. Why do you expect this to change later on? I hope it does, but what if it doesn't.

Funny thing is that giving more time is something I could argue for Porscha, exactly because I do know her at least a little bit, and I've been able to find her as town in the few games I've played with her to my memory.

So I guess I just see this differently than you do.

I also don't eat meat.

In the bolded, Dyslexicon is defending themselves from Achro's interrogation by dragging him for not treating Tommy the same. I understand you'll probably confirmation bias that as Dyslexicon showing TMI on Tommy as mafia but it's so uncharitable and unnecessary for Dyslexicon to treat Tommy his teammate like that on day 1 and Dyslexicon's modus operandi on day 1 with Tommy and Porscha as teammates surely is not to just hang them out to dry? That's terrible play.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:54 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:44 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:51 pm I mostly prefer Tommy or Porscha as a chop

I don't really think Porscha calling Sean's read on Mac wrong is a great case against her. I think town easily say stuff like that, and I think she mentioned something about assuming Mac town anyway. I mean, if she's mafia, it probably is TMI, but I don't think it's impossible that she can say that as town. But her posts has been kind of weak and wishy-washy overall. I don't get any will to solve. The problem with Porscha is that if she's town, she is likely to become more obvious later on

Tommy is both PoE and just, he's here, but he's not contributing anything. And what he does post doesn't really give me a new town feel. It doesn't really give me anything tbh. The problem with Tommy is that if he flips and flips town, we're not really getting anywhere. But I think there's also a very decent chance he's just mafia here

In any case, would mostly like to hear more from both Tommy and Porscha
Is this a day 1 post Dyslexicon makes about both teammates?

she never voted Porscha, ignore her reasoning, see the optics
Sure but contributing to the weakening thread positioning of already weak teammates is quite a misplay for wolf Dyslexicon. They are the kind of wolf who if they have something like the bolded points to use to shield their teammates, they usually would simply just say that and actively push against their chop. Dyslexicon is not someone who tends to play early game to go deep and win.
Porscha and Tommy died too early, she was forced into the position and didn't choose it, there was a pause in the thought process of a peculiar message that had the soul purpose of snowing me

This isn't correct if you look at when that post was made. It was early on day 1. Porscha hadn't even really been pushed that much and Tommy was really just a meh push and was being quite strongly shielded at that point by you and Achro.

If you are mafia your day today has been very impressive. I need to figure out whether you have this type of play in you.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:54 pm I did it to you in the mash

Yeah you can stop belabouring this now, I understand that you make reads like this. I understand that you believe in them. I now need to determine whether this is in your scumrange.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:52 pm Okay so right now I am looking for town to hang my hat on. Dyslexicon was in that list. You are essentially asking me to take my top town and chop them.

For me to do that is essentially forcing me to turn my auto upside down. If I do this, and chop my top town and am wrong, I am directly responsible for an ultra level throw.
I've done it before and I was right

Can I see a wolf game of yours that you ran deep please.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:44 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:51 pm I mostly prefer Tommy or Porscha as a chop

I don't really think Porscha calling Sean's read on Mac wrong is a great case against her. I think town easily say stuff like that, and I think she mentioned something about assuming Mac town anyway. I mean, if she's mafia, it probably is TMI, but I don't think it's impossible that she can say that as town. But her posts has been kind of weak and wishy-washy overall. I don't get any will to solve. The problem with Porscha is that if she's town, she is likely to become more obvious later on

Tommy is both PoE and just, he's here, but he's not contributing anything. And what he does post doesn't really give me a new town feel. It doesn't really give me anything tbh. The problem with Tommy is that if he flips and flips town, we're not really getting anywhere. But I think there's also a very decent chance he's just mafia here

In any case, would mostly like to hear more from both Tommy and Porscha
Is this a day 1 post Dyslexicon makes about both teammates?

she never voted Porscha, ignore her reasoning, see the optics

Sure but contributing to the weakening thread positioning of already weak teammates is quite a misplay for wolf Dyslexicon. They are the kind of wolf who if they have something like the bolded points to use to shield their teammates, they usually would simply just say that and actively push against their chop. Dyslexicon is not someone who tends to play early game to go deep and win.

Okay so right now I am looking for town to hang my hat on. Dyslexicon was in that list. You are essentially asking me to take my top town and chop them.

For me to do that is essentially forcing me to turn my auto upside down. If I do this, and chop my top town and am wrong, I am directly responsible for an ultra level throw.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:49 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:46 pm Lucy I don't really have the capacity or energy for games. Be townie and help me solve or be wolfy and die basically.
okay so you know how I only need a few messages to god read people, well that's one of those messages, there's a peculiar pause and the "now" is off
No I didn't know that about you. I also don't see how you can reasonably expect me to have realised that without you saying it.
cause I did it to u

I was unaware of that.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:49 pm there's a lapse in the thinking, only takes one, I caught Illario with it, I caught you with it

gonna need to keep going with this explanation cuz i aint there yet

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:44 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:51 pm I mostly prefer Tommy or Porscha as a chop

I don't really think Porscha calling Sean's read on Mac wrong is a great case against her. I think town easily say stuff like that, and I think she mentioned something about assuming Mac town anyway. I mean, if she's mafia, it probably is TMI, but I don't think it's impossible that she can say that as town. But her posts has been kind of weak and wishy-washy overall. I don't get any will to solve. The problem with Porscha is that if she's town, she is likely to become more obvious later on

Tommy is both PoE and just, he's here, but he's not contributing anything. And what he does post doesn't really give me a new town feel. It doesn't really give me anything tbh. The problem with Tommy is that if he flips and flips town, we're not really getting anywhere. But I think there's also a very decent chance he's just mafia here

In any case, would mostly like to hear more from both Tommy and Porscha
Is this a day 1 post Dyslexicon makes about both teammates?

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:46 pm Lucy I don't really have the capacity or energy for games. Be townie and help me solve or be wolfy and die basically.
okay so you know how I only need a few messages to god read people, well that's one of those messages, there's a peculiar pause and the "now" is off

No I didn't know that about you. I also don't see how you can reasonably expect me to have realised that without you saying it.

This game is going to be a very very lame loss if the town in it don't get much townier and solvier and force the wolf into obviousness. The apathy with which the game has fallen into is no bueno.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:44 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:42 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:41 pm literally tells u her alignment
gonna need you to explain that better
it's scummy, I know why but you have to figure it out for yourself
How very towny of you.
if I tell you the reason you'll believe me to a lesser degree, try to find out yourself

You said you hadn't slept for 2 days and Dyslexicon said you should sleep because they are worried about you. This says nothing about their alignment.

Lucy I don't really have the capacity or energy for games. Be townie and help me solve or be wolfy and die basically.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:42 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:41 pm literally tells u her alignment
gonna need you to explain that better
it's scummy, I know why but you have to figure it out for yourself

How very towny of you.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:51 pm I mostly prefer Tommy or Porscha as a chop

I don't really think Porscha calling Sean's read on Mac wrong is a great case against her. I think town easily say stuff like that, and I think she mentioned something about assuming Mac town anyway. I mean, if she's mafia, it probably is TMI, but I don't think it's impossible that she can say that as town. But her posts has been kind of weak and wishy-washy overall. I don't get any will to solve. The problem with Porscha is that if she's town, she is likely to become more obvious later on

Tommy is both PoE and just, he's here, but he's not contributing anything. And what he does post doesn't really give me a new town feel. It doesn't really give me anything tbh. The problem with Tommy is that if he flips and flips town, we're not really getting anywhere. But I think there's also a very decent chance he's just mafia here

In any case, would mostly like to hear more from both Tommy and Porscha

Is this a day 1 post Dyslexicon makes about both teammates?

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:41 pm literally tells u her alignment

gonna need you to explain that better

So we have to chop Lucy or Nanook today probably. Then if the game isn't over I almost surely die. Then you ALWAYS sleep into f5. Don't sleep into f3.

Oh yeah Nanook shield. Wilgy is always town for that I guess?

Nanook is still quite likely town for the Axe kill.

Wilgy doesn't really have anything going for him. Why is he not in anyone's POE?

I would say in terms of how they feel, Vulgard and Seanzie feel the most town in terms of their tone, process ... just on read.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:20 pm thoughts on dizzy/vivax @MacDougall

dizzy is very town
vivax is quite town

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 5] lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:20 pm @MacDougall yes?

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:20 pm @MacDougall

yes?

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:11 pm question: if me and vulgard are to die, does the order matter?

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:11 pm if so, I volunteer

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:13 pm nanook/seanzie my POE

If your POE is Nanook/Seanzie don't be content watching us chop through you and Vulgard first cuz we'll lose and I am dead tonight cuz I'm a green check.

I really wanna know why Ender is town

I hope someone does the thing that needs to be done here.

Come to think of it... Axe is a Rondo kill. Cuz Rondo is scared of him. Cuz he just policy kills Rondo at a certain point unpredictably.

I'm getting fixated lol.

Easy solve. If there is anyone else in the game that is a PR of any persuasion, not just doctor. Except for a vig. Then Rondo is fake. I don't think we have a vig. So we will be in column a probably. Where Rondo is either real or the person with the PR hasn't really been thinking about the matrix (like I did until right now lol).

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:53 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:47 am Hmmm.

What if Rondo is mafia after all and there is no doctor to counter-claim him?

Is this a crazy thought? Wasn't Rondo the one tinfoiling the idea of the mafia intentionally roleblocking themselves to spew themselves town or something?
I think Lucy was the one who was tinfoiling that.

Also, there are town PRs in any of the setups, so the only PR that can't cc a doc is a vig, so it would be a huge gamble for scum!Rondo to claim doc as that would only work with probability 25% (assuming that there are 3 mafia goons, otherwise it works with 0%)

But what if Lucy is right?

They lose Tommy day 1. Rondo is ... in light terms ... an unusual specimen. What if rather than just coasting to a stomping he tried a gambit as the roleblocker and roleblocked Porscha carrying in order to be able to claim doc? Played the game with the mindset of doc until there were other doc claims. Expected to have to cc battle but has simply walked into the luckiest scenario?

Would it not explain why Sabi died? Because Rondo actually thought she really was the doctor? Who else would have thought that after she retracted?

I mean it would require the person who is the actual town PR (or persons) to have not read the matrix or to be convinced that Rondo is just town trying to bait the kill.

I'm not sure anyone would be doing that surely?

Hmmm.

What if Rondo is mafia after all and there is no doctor to counter-claim him?

Is this a crazy thought? Wasn't Rondo the one tinfoiling the idea of the mafia intentionally roleblocking themselves to spew themselves town or something?

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:15 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:57 am Lol scumread rightly for the wrong reasons.

Thats crap.
Idk I almost want to read a compliment into this. It's about my reasons to vote for Porscha which I described in that way.

[VOTE: Vulgard] aubergine

Of course if you claim a shield on Vulgard I can back off. But...Feh

i aint shielding anybody except nanook who i am not shielding anymore cuz the bar is too high

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:20 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:09 am Lol let's make a shield matrix.

Rondo clearing Mac shielding Nanook shielding Wilgy
Ender shielding Dizzy who is shielding nobody
Vulgard is shielding tons of people but/and is obvious town
Lucy was being shielded by achro who is dead town...
Seanzie is ... not being discussed really but seems town ... let's change that and talk about why Seanzie is town?
Vivax is pretty much polarised and he's town here

Dizzy is probably never a wolf. Wilgy is never a wolf. Rondo never. Mac never. If I trust Achro well...

Nook/Ender.

And for me, Ender is significantly more likely the hit but that's just me.
Mostly I've been clearing him off his rolecard, but I know that's kind of a weak reason.

I have the impression that you were on teh right side of both chops without me checking is that true?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:19 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:06 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:33 am Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.
correct, it is the only real reason, and because of that he won't be winning this game

but it's a more clearing thing for me than anything I can say for Ender or Lucy personally.
I have no real feels for Lucy, so at some point I should ISO them.

Am I correct in assuming that yesterday you didn't actually have a slip on them, they just slipped into admitting there is something sus in their ISO and you leaned into it? If so, I'd like to hear from Lucy on exactly what they think is so suspicious about their own play to warrant that reaction.

Nah i do but i still want her to articulate it lol

Vulgard is just an inno child on play today. If he's mafia I'll eat an iceberg.

Lol let's make a shield matrix.

Rondo clearing Mac shielding Nanook shielding Wilgy
Ender shielding Dizzy who is shielding nobody
Vulgard is shielding tons of people but/and is obvious town
Lucy was being shielded by achro who is dead town...
Seanzie is ... not being discussed really but seems town ... let's change that and talk about why Seanzie is town?
Vivax is pretty much polarised and he's town here

Dizzy is probably never a wolf. Wilgy is never a wolf. Rondo never. Mac never. If I trust Achro well...

Nook/Ender.

And for me, Ender is significantly more likely the hit but that's just me.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:33 am Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

correct, it is the only real reason, and because of that he won't be winning this game

but it's a more clearing thing for me than anything I can say for Ender or Lucy personally.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:22 am One thing I don't like about Nook, and without trying to make this into and omgus fest, is how he's been having me in his PoE. It seems like a random pick, because he argued for it not being Ender because Ender doesn't kill Axe, but apparently I do?

this appeals tho... Nanook should have you as clear imo.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:36 am 1. Achro's legacy
2. Hasn't done much to help solve the game aside from calling himself lock town with no basis during early day 2 and making a locktown read on Mac that's trivial to make, feels like he just did that to better his positioning
3. Has virtually no wolf spew in his favor that I've been able to find so far

I still don't think he'd kill NotAnAxehole.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:48 am If Ender/Porscha are w/w, then why does this happen?

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:31 pm God I really dont know if ender is a hit I'm a trash can at reading them the couple times we have played but they seemed to be consistent in the dizzy read and felt confident earlier is this also doable in ender's wolf range?

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:31 pm If you think achro is town
and you don't have a good place to be voting
and you aren't sure Ender is town

you should be voting Ender imo
*sucks teeth* aaaaah fuck man

I dont think I'll be able to be around for eod cuz I gotta drive shortly

I'll just stick it on ender and hope for the best
These are the posts when Porscha pivots to Ender as a counter wagon to self pres. She sort of makes up a reason to do it and *sucks teeth* lol. I don't think this is her piling onto a teammate. On Ender's side, he doesn't even self pres onto Porscha, even thought she is quite far down his list. If the plan was for Porscha to vote a teammate, why not vote back to seal the distancing? Instead Ender is kind of doing his own thing

I literally demanded she do it. If she didn't she died. Plus distancing cred.

Yeah you're right I'm suddenly not the confirmed town in this game by virtue of either being the doctor's greencheck or Rondo is mafia.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:15 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:10 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:08 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:06 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:05 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:01 pm

cause I can never defend myself in this scenario with my sin
You can be townie and help us solve the game and find the last wolf. Something you've made little effort to do in the last few phases tbh.
I wasn't confident on my reads and still went 2/2, then I couldn't oppose the achro Lynch by any means, try as I might
Yes you could have. But you didnt vote against it
lol no, there wasn't even a second wagon
Lucy, there were competing wagons to Achro all throughout the day. He didn't become the consensus chop until I pointed out that chopping Wilgy was illogical because of Nanook shielding him. Prior to that Wilgy and Ender had both been ahead of Achro at points.

Speaking of which, @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I am going to have to ask that you explain in more reasonable detail your Wilgy read because I really can't lose to you pocketing Wilgy and taking him to endgame behind an actually entirely made up tell. I don't need the exacts but I need more confidence that it's not entirely fabricated TMI.
He posts in tighter bursts as town

Yeah you are correct.

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