The Syndicate

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:37 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:37 am I'd probs bet actual money Rondo is town here.

I do like to gamble though. But I'm pretty confident lol.
The question is, do I trust you or ender? Or neither

You don't need to trust me. I feel like I am looking at a town capable of winning this game without you specifically needing to townread me lol.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...
What caused the turnaround on me?

I read your ISO and it all read fine. Nothing bogus jumped out. Your Rondo shit was rational contextually, and I realised that my initial distaste of it was overblown because, as Falcon pointed out, it kind of is something you would do as town.

I'd probs bet actual money Rondo is town here.

I do like to gamble though. But I'm pretty confident lol.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:27 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:26 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:24 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:23 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:22 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:33 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:31 pm I mean I think Rondo has just been full of shit this game.
Why are you so concerned with Rondo? Do you feel like this is pushing the game forward in a productive way?
I think he's mafia. Yes.
Reeeeeally?
Yes.

What has he done to make you doubt my scumread?
Plotting the exact same chaotic path through the game he always seems to when he's town including reacting exactly as I'd expect him to when I made a baseless townread on him to bait the reaction I was looking for to solidify the read?
Wait, so you dont have a town tell on me? Its been GUESSWORK this WHOLE TIME?!

I wouldn't call it guesswork. But no I don't have a tell on you specifically. I just soul read you.

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:30 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...
Oh okay you have them as town now. I am kinda confused on the read progression tbh

Like did I misunderstand or did you not scum read Seanze, Lucy and Alison? What changed?

What a cringe term read progression is lol.

Seanzie i joke voted.
Lucy i just pushed off her entry in an over exaggerated manner.
Alison i thought was sus for pushing Rondo.

I then proceeded to reevaluate based on reading more content.

Why do you need to know why my read changed? Why do people always fixate on my reads changing like it's AI... It's so asinine lol.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:30 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:26 am Plotting the exact same chaotic path through the game he always seems to when he's town including reacting exactly as I'd expect him to when I made a baseless townread on him to bait the reaction I was looking for to solidify the read?
I have seen no evidence of him plotting any path, either in this game or in previous games.

Can you quote the reaction you were fishing for that was townie? I'm still working through the backlog.

Just his general reaction that progressed from "no please don't townread me" to "oh no you did it!" and then like *pause* "maybe ur a wolf"...

It's reliable lol. It's the pause that does it.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:27 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:15 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:13 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:45 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:43 pm I have been told by many people about the mythical Creature Spam.

I have yet to see it actually happen.
I think a decent portion of my perspective is derived from recent surfing around MU as I compiled statistics and saw Creature with a million posts in X or Y games. Have you played with him often
Creature definitely posts more as town than scum and had a defeatist persona as scum where he hardly posted. However he has improved a lot during these last years tbh.

Iirc I spearheaded a Creature misyeet in our first game and everyone chastised me on how it was obvious Creature town meta lmao
Creature is a good player and his meta tells both exist and are over exaggerated and not consistently valid.

He is however readable by virtue of other things, mainly what emotions he is exhibiting in the context of what faction is ahead or behind.
I played a game with him recently where the scum was allergic to killing town me and town Alexa out of ego so we stomped them. He was intensely pessimistic the whole time. We exed a mafia every day except for the day that a scum outed to hammer a townie, and he was moaning about how we were doomed as we proceeded to policy the last mafia for making that hammer.

So I dunno that him being sad when his faction is losing is a reliable tell. He seems to be a very pessimistic person to me in general, tbh.

This is fair, I have seen Creature mope when town are stomping. If I had to guess I'd say it's more got to do with how he himself feels about the gamestate than anything.

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:26 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:09 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:56 pm I'mma go back to sleep tbh

Mac, could you explain your Lucy and Seanze and JJJ read? Tell me what it is you see tbh
you want me to explain why I have them as town?
Didn't you have them as scum, aside from JJJ?

This is why I asked him to clarify @lucy.

I joke voted Seanzie and I my early pressure on Lucy succumbed very fast. I had made a list of reads prior to you asking me this question lol.

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:24 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:21 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:19 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:17 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:16 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:14 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:13 am

i generally dislike a lack of seriousness, but i don’t find it suspect at all cause it’s a normal if not common playstyle
granted, I am not sure he'd agree with your appraisal that he isn't being serious...

am I to take it that you simply don't find his play suspicious, or do you actually find it likely townie?
i find it NAI, so yeah not suspicious
so just to be clear, you simply don't have reads... this isn't a matter of you intentionally refusing to read into matters?
yeah, i simply don’t have them. anything else? i gotta sleep around now
Sure I guess I have one last thing.

It seems to stand to reason that your plan in this game is to wait for some flips to assess from there. If that's the case, why have you made >100 posts on day 1?
i did that last forum game and had a few townslips and was instantly townread by half the lobby, same happened this game. it’s good strategy and i’m exploiting my newness, it won’t work for long because eventually i won’t be new. and i’ll talk significantly less during the week when i’m working

So you made all these posts in order to get yourself towncleared?

After having observed that you accidentally did that the first time.

Hmmm.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:24 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:23 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:22 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:33 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:31 pm I mean I think Rondo has just been full of shit this game.
Why are you so concerned with Rondo? Do you feel like this is pushing the game forward in a productive way?
I think he's mafia. Yes.
Reeeeeally?
Yes.

What has he done to make you doubt my scumread?

Plotting the exact same chaotic path through the game he always seems to when he's town including reacting exactly as I'd expect him to when I made a baseless townread on him to bait the reaction I was looking for to solidify the read?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:22 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:33 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:31 pm I mean I think Rondo has just been full of shit this game.
Why are you so concerned with Rondo? Do you feel like this is pushing the game forward in a productive way?
I think he's mafia. Yes.

Reeeeeally?

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:19 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:17 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:16 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:14 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:13 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:11 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:09 am

couldn’t tell you, i heavily psychoanalyze and look for intentions and how wolves would play a scenario. i’m not used to playing no PR games so that’s what i’m at, or games with strangers, i can say i’ll get better. and i can say i am nonetheless accurate. you can ask ender and jjj or iso my 269 messages from the champs game i just played (g7)
the way you've chosen to interact with rondo would indicate that you don't find his intentions or how he is playing suspect despite feeling rather perturbed by it... is that a fair assumption?
i generally dislike a lack of seriousness, but i don’t find it suspect at all cause it’s a normal if not common playstyle
granted, I am not sure he'd agree with your appraisal that he isn't being serious...

am I to take it that you simply don't find his play suspicious, or do you actually find it likely townie?
i find it NAI, so yeah not suspicious
so just to be clear, you simply don't have reads... this isn't a matter of you intentionally refusing to read into matters?
yeah, i simply don’t have them. anything else? i gotta sleep around now

Sure I guess I have one last thing.

It seems to stand to reason that your plan in this game is to wait for some flips to assess from there. If that's the case, why have you made >100 posts on day 1?

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:16 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:14 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:13 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:11 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:09 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:03 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:02 am

latter
What sort of actions or inactions do you consider alignment indicative to a degree that makes you comfortable giving a read?
couldn’t tell you, i heavily psychoanalyze and look for intentions and how wolves would play a scenario. i’m not used to playing no PR games so that’s what i’m at, or games with strangers, i can say i’ll get better. and i can say i am nonetheless accurate. you can ask ender and jjj or iso my 269 messages from the champs game i just played (g7)
the way you've chosen to interact with rondo would indicate that you don't find his intentions or how he is playing suspect despite feeling rather perturbed by it... is that a fair assumption?
i generally dislike a lack of seriousness, but i don’t find it suspect at all cause it’s a normal if not common playstyle
granted, I am not sure he'd agree with your appraisal that he isn't being serious...

am I to take it that you simply don't find his play suspicious, or do you actually find it likely townie?
i find it NAI, so yeah not suspicious

so just to be clear, you simply don't have reads... this isn't a matter of you intentionally refusing to read into matters?

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:13 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:11 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:09 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:03 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:02 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:01 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:59 am

mine are exponential, currently 0
Are you holding back from making them or do you genuinely not have any?
latter
What sort of actions or inactions do you consider alignment indicative to a degree that makes you comfortable giving a read?
couldn’t tell you, i heavily psychoanalyze and look for intentions and how wolves would play a scenario. i’m not used to playing no PR games so that’s what i’m at, or games with strangers, i can say i’ll get better. and i can say i am nonetheless accurate. you can ask ender and jjj or iso my 269 messages from the champs game i just played (g7)
the way you've chosen to interact with rondo would indicate that you don't find his intentions or how he is playing suspect despite feeling rather perturbed by it... is that a fair assumption?
i generally dislike a lack of seriousness, but i don’t find it suspect at all cause it’s a normal if not common playstyle

granted, I am not sure he'd agree with your appraisal that he isn't being serious...

am I to take it that you simply don't find his play suspicious, or do you actually find it likely townie?

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:57 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:50 am I vibe with the discomfort, though. It seems pretty common on MU to offer early reads on the whole player list, which is foreign to me.
Speaking for myself, I like making day 1 reads because:

1. It causes people to do shit
2. My ability to make reads doesn't require heaps of content and tbh sometimes it's hindered by it... I would say in the main my reads have an arc curve in terms of accuracy. They start off good, get worse during mid game, and then get good at endgame lol.
Yeah. I guess I'm pro-"day 1 reads", anti-"day 1 reads for the sake of having a read". It can be difficult to tell the difference between a read that feels fake because a wolf is trying to appear uninformed, and a read that feels fake because a townie felt like they should have an opinion and came up with something.

i guess it's worth point out that rarely do i make an entirely fake read lol...

not that i don't, but rarely... i just usually don't have to

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:09 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:03 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:02 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:01 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:59 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:57 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:50 am I vibe with the discomfort, though. It seems pretty common on MU to offer early reads on the whole player list, which is foreign to me.
Speaking for myself, I like making day 1 reads because:

1. It causes people to do shit
2. My ability to make reads doesn't require heaps of content and tbh sometimes it's hindered by it... I would say in the main my reads have an arc curve in terms of accuracy. They start off good, get worse during mid game, and then get good at endgame lol.
mine are exponential, currently 0
Are you holding back from making them or do you genuinely not have any?
latter
What sort of actions or inactions do you consider alignment indicative to a degree that makes you comfortable giving a read?
couldn’t tell you, i heavily psychoanalyze and look for intentions and how wolves would play a scenario. i’m not used to playing no PR games so that’s what i’m at, or games with strangers, i can say i’ll get better. and i can say i am nonetheless accurate. you can ask ender and jjj or iso my 269 messages from the champs game i just played (g7)

the way you've chosen to interact with rondo would indicate that you don't find his intentions or how he is playing suspect despite feeling rather perturbed by it... is that a fair assumption?

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:02 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:01 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:59 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:57 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:50 am I vibe with the discomfort, though. It seems pretty common on MU to offer early reads on the whole player list, which is foreign to me.
Speaking for myself, I like making day 1 reads because:

1. It causes people to do shit
2. My ability to make reads doesn't require heaps of content and tbh sometimes it's hindered by it... I would say in the main my reads have an arc curve in terms of accuracy. They start off good, get worse during mid game, and then get good at endgame lol.
mine are exponential, currently 0
Are you holding back from making them or do you genuinely not have any?
latter

What sort of actions or inactions do you consider alignment indicative to a degree that makes you comfortable giving a read?

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:59 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:57 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:50 am I vibe with the discomfort, though. It seems pretty common on MU to offer early reads on the whole player list, which is foreign to me.
Speaking for myself, I like making day 1 reads because:

1. It causes people to do shit
2. My ability to make reads doesn't require heaps of content and tbh sometimes it's hindered by it... I would say in the main my reads have an arc curve in terms of accuracy. They start off good, get worse during mid game, and then get good at endgame lol.
mine are exponential, currently 0

Are you holding back from making them or do you genuinely not have any?

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:50 am I vibe with the discomfort, though. It seems pretty common on MU to offer early reads on the whole player list, which is foreign to me.

Speaking for myself, I like making day 1 reads because:

1. It causes people to do shit
2. My ability to make reads doesn't require heaps of content and tbh sometimes it's hindered by it... I would say in the main my reads have an arc curve in terms of accuracy. They start off good, get worse during mid game, and then get good at endgame lol.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:40 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:39 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:25 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:20 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:19 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:06 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:04 pm america, california

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:03 pm

While I appreciate the link, I meant actual physically. Like I am in Australia and Aussie culture is much different to American/European/Asian
Mmmnnyeah nope. Maybe I am tunneling. I need @EnderWiggin to sort me out
A couple Aussies showed up since this post, did you get the cultural translation you were hoping for?
he hasn’t, mac didn’t respond
what was i supposed to respond to?
He tagged Ender as a fellow Aussie to help see if he was misreading Lucy's tone..? I'm not entirely sure.
Nah you got it, not exactly tone but you get the gist

and why was I supposed to respond to you tagging Ender?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:23 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:19 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:06 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:04 pm america, california

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:03 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:01 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:15 pm @lucy, in your Discord Mafia experience, could you describe just briefly how that feels? I have never played a chat Mafia game. Is it a continuously torrent pace? Are there breaks in the action? Do players come and go at their leisure, or do they hover over the chat game all day? Hell, how long is a typical day phase in that style?
the best of them are similar-ish to forum mafia except people aren’t reading the actual actions of other players, lots of PR’s and very little reads that aren’t based off NK’s and other deaths/failed tunnels/cop investigations. it’s live chat but also 24/24 where people are talking (not usually about the actual game though) and eventually some reads do occur out of live chatting and they’re voted on until they claim/fake claim, clusterfucks. most people make themselves available to talk for a bit more than once a day, there are breaks in actions. and at the end of the game all the active players are dead and it’s basically a coin toss of who wins because the alive players haven’t played the game closely at all, since they’re alive
@RondoDimBuckle
While I appreciate the link, I meant actual physically. Like I am in Australia and Aussie culture is much different to American/European/Asian
Mmmnnyeah nope. Maybe I am tunneling. I need @EnderWiggin to sort me out
A couple Aussies showed up since this post, did you get the cultural translation you were hoping for?
Negative, Mac told me to do what I want but also soft shields Lucy with his list so that is worth some thought

my list wasn't designed to encourage anyone to stop pushing people on it... i have no read that strong

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:20 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:19 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:06 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:04 pm america, california

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:03 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:01 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:15 pm @lucy, in your Discord Mafia experience, could you describe just briefly how that feels? I have never played a chat Mafia game. Is it a continuously torrent pace? Are there breaks in the action? Do players come and go at their leisure, or do they hover over the chat game all day? Hell, how long is a typical day phase in that style?
the best of them are similar-ish to forum mafia except people aren’t reading the actual actions of other players, lots of PR’s and very little reads that aren’t based off NK’s and other deaths/failed tunnels/cop investigations. it’s live chat but also 24/24 where people are talking (not usually about the actual game though) and eventually some reads do occur out of live chatting and they’re voted on until they claim/fake claim, clusterfucks. most people make themselves available to talk for a bit more than once a day, there are breaks in actions. and at the end of the game all the active players are dead and it’s basically a coin toss of who wins because the alive players haven’t played the game closely at all, since they’re alive
@RondoDimBuckle
While I appreciate the link, I meant actual physically. Like I am in Australia and Aussie culture is much different to American/European/Asian
Mmmnnyeah nope. Maybe I am tunneling. I need @EnderWiggin to sort me out
A couple Aussies showed up since this post, did you get the cultural translation you were hoping for?
he hasn’t, mac didn’t respond

what was i supposed to respond to?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:13 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:04 am Nah ur reads are bogus lol.
And you are either of the ten fools or a wolf.

Your read indicates one while behavior hits at the other, I'll place you orange.

Lol I have some thoughts I'm gonna keep to myself for now.

switching my vote to falcon

i was thinking about doing it earlier

i think wilgy is sus but i think falcon is sussier

Nah ur reads are bogus lol.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:57 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:45 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:40 am Doing this for now
[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Maybe a weird read. But the one game I have with him he was more pure shitpost-y and difficult for me to get a read either way on. Here it's "shitpost-y" interspersed with like actual reads, which is throwing me off.
For someone who is new to Falcon I'd call this an obscenely insightful read and a perfect description of mafia Falcon.

Town Falcon and scum Falcon both shit post, but scum Falcon makes more of an effort to find optimal paths for himself whereas town Falcon is much more content just wandering the wilderness and landing his vote wherever it may.
"Oh good, I can just shitpost" vs "Oh no, I should shitpost"

True...

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:48 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:43 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:41 am Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*
So do you think that town Mac should be townreading you for your play prior to this post? If so can you show me the parts where you've towntold to a degree where you'd expect me to notice?
I do not, but I do believe that town Mac would allow for more data before gauging someone he has a track record of reading correctly.

That is what's throwing me off. Your conclusion was drawn far more quickly than I'd expect.

However, the gusto I feel from your posts is in line to how I perceive town Mac. It is quite the contradiction.

Do you, Mac, feel as if your ability to read me has shifted at all in the past year? If so, do you feel it has improved or declined?

First sentence, since when have you known me to not be bullish with making reads immediately? I don't think my track record of reading you is superb. I've read you wrong quite a lot. I think I read you poorly when we first started playing, went through a patch of reading you really well, and then when you came back from hiatus and started playing more intentionally I lost my ability to read you because you were playing entirely new again.

In this game you just seem to be making posts for the sake of it.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:40 am Doing this for now
[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Maybe a weird read. But the one game I have with him he was more pure shitpost-y and difficult for me to get a read either way on. Here it's "shitpost-y" interspersed with like actual reads, which is throwing me off.

For someone who is new to Falcon I'd call this an obscenely insightful read and a perfect description of mafia Falcon.

Town Falcon and scum Falcon both shit post, but scum Falcon makes more of an effort to find optimal paths for himself whereas town Falcon is much more content just wandering the wilderness and landing his vote wherever it may.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:41 am Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*

So do you think that town Mac should be townreading you for your play prior to this post? If so can you show me the parts where you've towntold to a degree where you'd expect me to notice?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:08 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:06 am Talk to me about NateTheLesser. I appear to have forgotten they exist.
me? I am voting him to make him talk more but it doesnt seem to be working. He keeps looking and saying nothing. NAI at best but if he is looking he could say something. But who am I to tell him how to play?

I would suggest that you're doing a good thing and should continue down that path.

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:20 am Alison is most aggressive player, second is Mac

What does making this observation serve?

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:23 am besides rondo I like this lobby

Rondo is cool. He's just an acquired taste. And you have to have a very refined palette.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:12 am Mac’s entry into this game might be his most inspired in five years. Town read.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:09 pmmy bussy

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:09 pm look at my bussy

I agree

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:07 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:48 pm does pretty much everyone in this lobby know one another?
Ender and falcon I mentioned. Mac and I think alison (unless it's a different alison) were in the hydra game. A few others I just know from spectating this year.

What hydra name did you have?

Talk to me about NateTheLesser. I appear to have forgotten they exist.

Alrighty thanks.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:57 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:55 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:54 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:53 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:51 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:48 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:45 am

For now I am tempted to go with the ego as I felt you genuinely had the same thought as me re:Alison->Rondo. Also I'm an egotistical bastard.
Okay that's good.
Mega Sean + Mac Equity. not sure If I am upset at this
You think Seanzie and I are potentially mafia together as a result of this interaction?
more same team I actually Like how Seanzie has been acting towards me but tinfoil prevails
So you can't see one of us being mafia and one town as a result of this interaction? What about our interaction would have you viewing it that way?
Well now that you say that. Well.. sure. Damn it

So do you or do you not have an actual read predicated on our interaction?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:54 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:53 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:51 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:48 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:45 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:40 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:33 am

I think you're either town or specifically decided to sheep me in some sort of attempt to pocket, or possibly reinforce my views to get me to tunnel.
Which would imply that if I am mafia that you're exactly wrong in your reads, and that if I am town supportive of them, then your reads are probably pretty decent.

The ego, or the tinfoil. Which do you choose?
For now I am tempted to go with the ego as I felt you genuinely had the same thought as me re:Alison->Rondo. Also I'm an egotistical bastard.
Okay that's good.
Mega Sean + Mac Equity. not sure If I am upset at this
You think Seanzie and I are potentially mafia together as a result of this interaction?
more same team I actually Like how Seanzie has been acting towards me but tinfoil prevails

So you can't see one of us being mafia and one town as a result of this interaction? What about our interaction would have you viewing it that way?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:51 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:48 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:45 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:40 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:33 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:29 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:28 am

Hmm... your reads seem to be extremely in-line with many of mine and I'm not 100% sure how to process that information.
You don't just think that makes me likely town?
I think you're either town or specifically decided to sheep me in some sort of attempt to pocket, or possibly reinforce my views to get me to tunnel.
Which would imply that if I am mafia that you're exactly wrong in your reads, and that if I am town supportive of them, then your reads are probably pretty decent.

The ego, or the tinfoil. Which do you choose?
For now I am tempted to go with the ego as I felt you genuinely had the same thought as me re:Alison->Rondo. Also I'm an egotistical bastard.
Okay that's good.
Mega Sean + Mac Equity. not sure If I am upset at this

You think Seanzie and I are potentially mafia together as a result of this interaction?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:45 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:40 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:33 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:29 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:28 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:24 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:21 am

Are you aware that she has 30+ discord games under her belt? I think she looks fine thus far, but I thought she was a newbie at the beginning of the game due to misunderstanding a post and kinda dropped her from consideration early on just to find out she's played a lot, just not on forum.
I saw that she is a prominent discord player yes. I am not completely ruling her out. I just ... don't feel it pertinent to include her in my narrowed worldview right now.

The entire point of making that list was more to contrast them to how I felt about Wilgy and Falcon than anything else.

Like there are three groups. Those above, who I just feel like townreading for various easy read reasons. Those who I have no inclination one way or the other right now (Ender, Fingersplints, Marmot) and then Falcon, who I just ... gut scum read immediately, and Wilgy, whose contributions to the game thus far have been practically a facsimile of wolf Wilgy.
Hmm... your reads seem to be extremely in-line with many of mine and I'm not 100% sure how to process that information.
You don't just think that makes me likely town?
I think you're either town or specifically decided to sheep me in some sort of attempt to pocket, or possibly reinforce my views to get me to tunnel.
Which would imply that if I am mafia that you're exactly wrong in your reads, and that if I am town supportive of them, then your reads are probably pretty decent.

The ego, or the tinfoil. Which do you choose?
For now I am tempted to go with the ego as I felt you genuinely had the same thought as me re:Alison->Rondo. Also I'm an egotistical bastard.

Okay that's good.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:39 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:39 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm If the mafia team is some combination of falcon, wilgy, ender, marmot then they lost at rand lol.
@EnderWiggin this is not me saying I suspect you. I have no read on you. How do you feel about these other three slots I've plonked you in with here?
You can say you sus me, it's okay, I've gotten over it. =P

2/3 are ones I actively sus and the other is one that hasn't posted soooooo.

Sure.

Where's Fingersplints in that.
I don't sus you.
I sus both of you

Yes I am sure that you do. Despite me being town with you in every game we've played, town reading you, you suspecting me and being wrong and me being right, in every single game. I am sure, that, you do,

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:33 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:29 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:28 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:24 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:21 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:11 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:54 pm

In what capacity do you know Lucy?
nothing more than a second game forum player second high posting and offering endless readable takes
Are you aware that she has 30+ discord games under her belt? I think she looks fine thus far, but I thought she was a newbie at the beginning of the game due to misunderstanding a post and kinda dropped her from consideration early on just to find out she's played a lot, just not on forum.
I saw that she is a prominent discord player yes. I am not completely ruling her out. I just ... don't feel it pertinent to include her in my narrowed worldview right now.

The entire point of making that list was more to contrast them to how I felt about Wilgy and Falcon than anything else.

Like there are three groups. Those above, who I just feel like townreading for various easy read reasons. Those who I have no inclination one way or the other right now (Ender, Fingersplints, Marmot) and then Falcon, who I just ... gut scum read immediately, and Wilgy, whose contributions to the game thus far have been practically a facsimile of wolf Wilgy.
Hmm... your reads seem to be extremely in-line with many of mine and I'm not 100% sure how to process that information.
You don't just think that makes me likely town?
I think you're either town or specifically decided to sheep me in some sort of attempt to pocket, or possibly reinforce my views to get me to tunnel.

Which would imply that if I am mafia that you're exactly wrong in your reads, and that if I am town supportive of them, then your reads are probably pretty decent.

The ego, or the tinfoil. Which do you choose?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm If the mafia team is some combination of falcon, wilgy, ender, marmot then they lost at rand lol.
@EnderWiggin this is not me saying I suspect you. I have no read on you. How do you feel about these other three slots I've plonked you in with here?
You can say you sus me, it's okay, I've gotten over it. =P

2/3 are ones I actively sus and the other is one that hasn't posted soooooo.

Sure.

Where's Fingersplints in that.

I don't sus you.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:30 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:29 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:23 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:21 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:11 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...
In what capacity do you know Lucy?
nothing more than a second game forum player second high posting and offering endless readable takes
Are you aware that she has 30+ discord games under her belt? I think she looks fine thus far, but I thought she was a newbie at the beginning of the game due to misunderstanding a post and kinda dropped her from consideration early on just to find out she's played a lot, just not on forum.
This is partially why I am wary
You say partially. What are the other parts to your wariness?
We had a miscommunication earlier and I am not sure if I was gaslit or it was genuine so I am going to go over it again when I have time

Can you please point me at it?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:28 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:24 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:21 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:11 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...
In what capacity do you know Lucy?
nothing more than a second game forum player second high posting and offering endless readable takes
Are you aware that she has 30+ discord games under her belt? I think she looks fine thus far, but I thought she was a newbie at the beginning of the game due to misunderstanding a post and kinda dropped her from consideration early on just to find out she's played a lot, just not on forum.
I saw that she is a prominent discord player yes. I am not completely ruling her out. I just ... don't feel it pertinent to include her in my narrowed worldview right now.

The entire point of making that list was more to contrast them to how I felt about Wilgy and Falcon than anything else.

Like there are three groups. Those above, who I just feel like townreading for various easy read reasons. Those who I have no inclination one way or the other right now (Ender, Fingersplints, Marmot) and then Falcon, who I just ... gut scum read immediately, and Wilgy, whose contributions to the game thus far have been practically a facsimile of wolf Wilgy.
Hmm... your reads seem to be extremely in-line with many of mine and I'm not 100% sure how to process that information.

You don't just think that makes me likely town?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:23 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:21 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:11 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...
In what capacity do you know Lucy?
nothing more than a second game forum player second high posting and offering endless readable takes
Are you aware that she has 30+ discord games under her belt? I think she looks fine thus far, but I thought she was a newbie at the beginning of the game due to misunderstanding a post and kinda dropped her from consideration early on just to find out she's played a lot, just not on forum.
This is partially why I am wary

You say partially. What are the other parts to your wariness?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:21 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:11 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...
In what capacity do you know Lucy?
nothing more than a second game forum player second high posting and offering endless readable takes
Are you aware that she has 30+ discord games under her belt? I think she looks fine thus far, but I thought she was a newbie at the beginning of the game due to misunderstanding a post and kinda dropped her from consideration early on just to find out she's played a lot, just not on forum.

I saw that she is a prominent discord player yes. I am not completely ruling her out. I just ... don't feel it pertinent to include her in my narrowed worldview right now.

The entire point of making that list was more to contrast them to how I felt about Wilgy and Falcon than anything else.

Like there are three groups. Those above, who I just feel like townreading for various easy read reasons. Those who I have no inclination one way or the other right now (Ender, Fingersplints, Marmot) and then Falcon, who I just ... gut scum read immediately, and Wilgy, whose contributions to the game thus far have been practically a facsimile of wolf Wilgy.

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:14 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:12 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:09 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:56 pm I'mma go back to sleep tbh

Mac, could you explain your Lucy and Seanze and JJJ read? Tell me what it is you see tbh
you want me to explain why I have them as town?
pretty sure that's what he's asking for, unless you have proof by contradiction which accomplishes the same
I just sought clarification because of him misreading me before
reasonable, but he went to sleep, might as well answer

Seanzie aligned with me on a read I expect him to make. Otherwise he just feels open to interacting with me in a non apprehensive way which I wouldn't expect would be there if he was mafia.

You, I explained. I don't know exactly who you are but it's really just a "you're new but you're posting lots" universal meta read.

Jay I'd rather not answer right now tbh.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:13 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:11 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:48 pm Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...
In what capacity do you know Lucy?
nothing more than a second game forum player second high posting and offering endless readable takes
so you are saying I should put out my flaming torch for Lucy?

no you do what pleases you

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:09 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:56 pm I'mma go back to sleep tbh

Mac, could you explain your Lucy and Seanze and JJJ read? Tell me what it is you see tbh
you want me to explain why I have them as town?
pretty sure that's what he's asking for, unless you have proof by contradiction which accomplishes the same

I just sought clarification because of him misreading me before

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