The Syndicate

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 3:52 am Alison lock town never rescind I have no idea how it's possible for us to have identical reads on such rand shit but every read of hers I agree with.

Also agree with iaafr on luckbox.

Would start this game hurling luckbox and ender into the fires on Mount Doom and go from there.

Mac pushing me/voting me is the least shocking thing to happen this game fwiw.

in which I'm town

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:31 am I think I'm honestly more towards Mac or Alison being mafia than Esooa? She was at least here and doing shit. Like the Ladd "Does this individual give a shit at EOD" level read and she was indeed giving a shit.

if my partner was being strung up I'd have known and posted my guy lol

I'm not mafia get outta here ya silly buggers

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:42 am tbh I don't know if Ender is actually a wolf so I still think Alison could be

I'd be surprised if ender wasn't... his tone has not been town.

tbh I think it's LC and ender.

[VOTE: ender] aubergine dude is just too scummeh

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:18 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:59 am esooa is at least towny to a degree I'm never reconsidering... so probably Alison also is

I think wilgy is actually townier than ender and luckbox today

explain on me and Alison

you are pushing same places as me and if you're town townreading Alison whomst I also am then she probs just towan

esooa is at least towny to a degree I'm never reconsidering... so probably Alison also is

I think wilgy is actually townier than ender and luckbox today

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:45 am I'm awake-- and we should probably consider killing either a wolf or me today because I can't guarantee at all that I'm going to be getting better

also confused as to why I'm being cleared some now

kami died meta town reading you

That being said, Esooa could probably kill Iaafr here just for the wifom and challenge of it. Especially if she's with Alison or someone a lil deeper such as Lime Coke.

On the surface I would have expected a deepwolf Esooa to have killed me or Alison though.

Ender/Wilgy feels like it has to have one at least I guess...

@Esooa chances we are getting snowed by Alison having a quality game?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:33 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:31 am Okay, Wilgy, if you're town:

What's the current most likely team?

Hmm...

You and Esooa?

Idk, pretty shit question when I said just a moment ago that I'm only 1/3 of the way caught up.

Hbu? What do you think?

Wilt thou bless us with a full catch up?

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:24 am is it literally ever not one of Mac or Allison after that

I got the impression from the kill it wouldn't make sense to have been you or Ender given the POE that I created... why Alison?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:25 am I'm honestly thinking it's just Wilgy/Luckbox here. I have a hard time believing it's anyone else.

really? that's a pretty unusual take from you ngl... you're usually quite provocative and aggro at pushing people I don't find scummy lol

*shakes fist* damn you iaafr

hmmmm damn

dude I did a huge catch up and was very fair minded, and in this game I'm not alone so trying to discredit me based on past games is lame

keep going McWilgy you can do it

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:04 am Wilgy mischops are probably the biggest Syndicate meme.

forgive me but I've been here a long time

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:55 am I've not struggled with town reading him in games I've played with him

in how many of them was he mischopped anyway?

I love Wilgy but I have to admit he's like the one player who as town won't ever become obvious so if he's town subbed in here we are probs flipping him anyway unless he completely buries himself in solving the game and does things I've never seen him ever do.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:46 am arent we all agreeing its just like ender/wilgy maaaaybe luckbox unless somebodys playing like a god rn

I am kinda living in a world where I don't see why Ender makes the plays he makes as a solo wolf, or someone being hard tunneled by Kami. He could have just so easily have sheeped you and Esooa onto Kami who were both townreading him quite strongly from what I saw in catch up.

The only person I would be surprised to see flip mafia here is Alison... nah I'd also be surprised if LC flipped mafia.

Nobody else would really surprise me.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:38 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:30 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:28 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:28 am @Kami these people are giving power up to me after I killed you, in fact because of it

these people equals literally just Alison btw

You don't agree?

if I'm wolf esooa I just kill you tonight kill a town kill mac and then nobody will care that we ever had this conversation... its no threat to her at all

We'll just have to trust that the rest of the town is competent enough to turbo the person who has killed two town and been hard scumread by all three nightkills

or we could just use our gigabrains and find the mafia ourselves

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:38 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:37 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:37 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:36 am guys I dunno if you should do this sheeping me plan, I won't be able to spend much time on this game seeing as my cat just died

Really?

no I wanted to say something from when 112 was a wolf and pocketed Mac and they did that that game iirc

lmao

fwiw I was aware that was what she was doing

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:30 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:28 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:28 am @Kami these people are giving power up to me after I killed you, in fact because of it

these people equals literally just Alison btw

You don't agree?

if I'm wolf esooa I just kill you tonight kill a town kill mac and then nobody will care that we ever had this conversation... its no threat to her at all

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:29 am It's literally the VOR Ultimatum. It is the gun-to-head demand I made of my strongest wolfread.

esooa is your strongest wolfread?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:27 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:26 am I bet LC is going to win as mafia

I would be happy for him and glad that he is no longer an ultra polarized player if so.

I had a somewhat similar thought

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:28 am @Kami these people are giving power up to me after I killed you, in fact because of it

these people equals literally just Alison btw

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:26 am Honestly 112 is actually probably a wolf since I remember they zeropost when randing mafia or 3P and at least put in token effort when they are town.

112 was a legendary wolf but they drained all their wolf energy dealing with wimmac and never recovered

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:25 am everyone call wilgy outed a bunch so if he's a wolf he'll be too demotivated to play

if he's a wolf that's already the case

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:12 am Bruh I'm never sheeping a Kami read half the shit she says is 4fun while having not read she told me so herzxelf

except the luckbox read which was obviously real if you even cared to look at it

kami being town sorry 6 beers

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:06 am I am also interested in hearing from anyone who objects to my three clears (iaafr, Mac, LC). I have heard Mac's tinfoil on iaafr and don't find it convincing.

I'm not sure how one could even unravel my arguments without backreading themselves because it mostly comes down to me rereading every post in light of Kami being mafia and making reads accordingly and Iaafr being anti vibes to everything I felt at nearly every point. If you aren't gonna reevaluate the thread entirely then you aren't in a place to be criticising or refuting my argument at all.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:05 am I have no interest in voting iaafr, Mac, or LC.

That leaves Esooa, Ender, 112 and Luckbox.

We have three exes so I just have to clear one person from this list.

@MacDougall I am interested in hearing your Luckbox towncase.

I don't think Esooa and Ender can be together. I don't really think it's Esooa and Luckbox because of the way Esooa treated my read on Luckbox. Every other team is possible.

Possibly we just flip 112, if 112 is town then Esooa can have no partners and Ender/Luckbox is outed.

luckbox towncase is in my catch up... couple of joltingly towny takes plus he was Kamis most confident read.

aight I caught up to where I started spamming and here is my appraisal

Alison I found the least pingy. She doesn't usually snow me so I'm taking her as town.

And hopefully all this posting just gets me killed.
Lime Coke and Luckbox had moments where I just saw them inno childing. The way the thread is reading them makes them probably town unless they are the mafia together tbh. I put a lot of stock into Kami's read on LB here.

Esooa
Iaafr
Ender

There is probably a wolf in here. Ender on the surface feels the most likely. He was wolfy to start and bad at eod with some towny shit in the middle. Esooa and Iaafr were kind of the inverse. The way they treated each other does give me pocketing vibes mostly from Iaafr towards Esooa. I am not comfortable really pushing any of them here but due to this weird gamestate I think one of them must be mafia. I feel like Esooa has been the towniest of the three, Ender voting her against a town Kami (who was townreading him no less) is also a decent place for him to end up. Iaafr feels like he should be mafia but in moments he's been incredibly towny. I really have nfi.

DrWilgy just has to be mafia here otherwise I've got nfi. If he isn't ... hopefully day 2 provides more answers.

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:49 am so overall like eh yea I have no problems with the exe and tbh Mac's posts here are just kinda bad cause iaafr is obviously town

if I take you both as town it leaves me in an interesting spot where 112 was just always wolfing and the other one can just be anyone at all with maybe ender specifically the least likely

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:36 am ive been passively keeping track of which kami susses i actually agree with and there was a period where i thought her sus of alison, which popped up twice, was possibly the most compelling one

also possibly esooa, whose behavior around me could easily be construed as pockety

but part of what made me want to kill kami over esooa was the impression that kami was just throwing out all sorts of shade at different points and like, her bad susses of me eroded my trust in her

so her flips actually kind of useful to me for that reason but idk if its actually that useful, would depend on her being right (though i know kami has decent accuracy at points, so i just wanna hope so?)

alison/esooa is possibly a world idk

also towny

this is bad news bears for my gamestate

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:21 am possibly down to vote esooa tomorrow and blame kami if wrong now

this is the new towniest post iaafr has made

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:51 pm @MacDougall ftr if I die I'd never vote iaafr ever

I'm sorry but I'm probs gonna tunnel iaafr all game. I doubt I'll get him over if he's town (or mafia tbh) tho so not to worry.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:43 pm Watch my scummiest move yet:
[VOTE: Esooa] aubergine

I really don't have an issue with this vote at the time. I can see how a town you can get to here. And she was one of the few offering to townread you (albeit not strongly) so going at her isn't a wolfy move.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:29 pm ender Wiggin is town because he's not trying to act villagery and fake his posts are just things that he thinks

could be out leveling myself on this read, because I think he does have some scummy posts, but town

Alison is town just for having consistently good thoughts that are relevant. I don't care to explain tbh but it's facts

Mac is probably town because of the way he's playing too but I don't care to explain that either

LC can be town sure mostly sheeping, I never care to read him much day 1

luckbox if he's a wolf is bussing someone. And he's currently wolf reading only people I think are town so....

wolves are Kami 112

I think you had the going of it here with the exception of kami and why did you leave iaafr out?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:50 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 4:38 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:36 am I think LC is scummy honestly.

But I suspect his alignment will become clear by EOD1 anyway.

has it tho

Kinda. I think Ender either has a good read on him or TMI'd him. His alignment is not super clear in the natural sense but he's not in my POE.

agree

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:10 pm I still find Rabbit towny as hell I'm just confused at this game state right now.

what do you find towny about him?

@Luckbox Inc also you?

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:52 pm that's one of the places I'm considering voting but esooa townreading her gives me pause

more pocketing

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:35 pm I'm probably going to have to read but Esooa's approach to Kami-- especially if she said she can't read Kami when I definitely remember her literally teaching me how to read Kami-- is weird/wolfy

dude just town

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:10 am luckbox Kami interactions should be looked into because luckbox could be a wolf and he's not done enough to make me think he's town

I'm sheeping kamis meta townread on lb now hbu?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:46 am I think his answer to me asking him his townreads was enough for me to let him go this day phase, tbh.

Main issue I had with him was seeing him say he made a towncore during his argument with Kami, and the only thing I remembered was him talking about his meta read on me.

Which, is fair and it's at least showing he's trying to solve me, but, it's me. Mafia typically hang their hats on townreading me and try to push on everyone else.

I think his reads and reasonings were fine, overall.

points

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:38 am true

i am townlocking ender wiggin and we will kill everybody who dares challenge him and if they get him killed we will kill all of them

huh

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:22 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:32 am @EnderWiggin

Next time you're on can you give me who you think is town and reasons behind it?

You for meta reasons.
Iaafr because towny worldbuilding + questioning

Weakish townreads on:
Esooa
Mac

The two above for varying degrees of belligerence (For Mac) and self-awareness (for Esooa) that is rand!v for them.

Questioning:
Kami - Because I actually think this is markedly different from scum games I've played with her.

Which leaves a descending POE of:
112
Luckbox
Alison
Ender

towny

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:05 am @112 pls

pls

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:07 am esooa b real r u just calling 112 outed because u wanna be shane warne calling adam outed

don't love this if 112 slot is mafia