The Syndicate

Another point in my favour is I came out today solving in 2 wolf worlds when it behooves wolves to have town believe we're in a world of 1 today.

Dolby feels just uber town here. I am never tinfoiling him.

HK ... gotta be town.

Hmmm I guess I'll do this the old fashioned way.

Which of the mafia flips are we most confident is real in order?

Scotty just shoot yourself.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:07 pm I was pretty sure the soup was real so this is a surprise to me. I kind of still think the last mafia is Scotty though. I don't think the shot clears him, since if he's mafia with LC he has no path to victory except bussing.

I have to admit this was my first thought also.

But we have now 5 mafia flips. 6 mafia feels overpowered. So it feels like this flip not ending the game spews there being flip fuckery. Which means we have yet to account for a mafia role that;

1. Gave me the gun that backfired on me
2. Is responsible for card swapping
3. Is responsible for night flip fuckery
4. Is responsible C4 and Listo having the same flip

I am tinfoiling the idea that Scotty may have the ability specifically to make all his kills flip upside down when he fires?

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:57 pm Every day except judgement I’ve been giving out guns

N1 was a 2-fer to HK and Seanzie
N2 was Alison and I really fucked up there and wasn’t paying attention
N3 couldn’t
N4 Mac
N5 Lime Coke. Was hoping to dodge a death

I received no gun on N4.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:56 pm How would the wolves know Mac’s role so well in D3? I haven’t seen any sort of investigative role in the revealed lists.

I spy with my little eye…

Because they gave me a gun that literally backfired and gave me all the roles I have and took away my beasty role.

That is another ability that is yet to flip.

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:44 pm Flip was not fake

there’s no way that scum Scotty does this shot in a 4v2

Lime Coke was strapped to so this is a hard clear

I think I am pretty much clear as fuck now. You can just solve me the old fashioned way. I am never partnered to Lime Coke/Ender from my early game. I know Mac can bus but you can see the way that LC in particular handled me is not alignment indicative.

There's that plus everything else that clears me.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:40 pm Who’s the other scum in that soup list? Is it you, mac?

no

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:38 pm
A Shot Rings Out Loud!!

Lime Coke drops dead! He was Mafia

► Show Spoiler
Mafia Jack Of All Trades.

You win upon reaching parity to town and all other threats to your survival are dead. You may holster your actions

As Mafia, you have access to the Factional Night Kill Action. Players targeted with this action will die at the end of the Night unless protected. Submit your Night Action each night by private messaging any of the hosts. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used. If no Mafia submit an action, a player will be picked at random from the living non-Mafia players.
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As Mafia Jack Of All Trades, you have access to one or more night actions. Don't have to use in any specific order.

x3 Kidnapper

The player you target that night will be unable to post and vote the next day. Their absence and return will be announced by the mod.

x2 Izanoomi

You may choose a target during the day and cast “Izanoomi” on it, trapping the target in an eternal time-loop in its own mind. During the day the target will only be able to post the same last post it posted to the thread the previous day, except for the vote (if there was one). The target may vote as it normally would but always accompanied by the same post referred to in this role description.

And every night it’ll perform the same action it was targeted by from the night it was trapped with the Izanoomi, against a random non-mafia player. The target will not be informed of this. If it's a killing action and the random player is already dead, your target will still attempt the action but fail. If your target was targeted by more than one player that night, then the action will be randomized between those actions every night.

The curse will automatically be lifted upon your death.

x3 Factional Guillotine Enabler

The Factional Guillotine is a day action that replaces both the factional kill and the soup kill options.
As long as you are alive, your faction may choose to perform the factional guillotine, killing whoever places the last vote on the lynched player that day, disabling the factional night kill and soup kill the following night. You must submit this action at least 15 minutes before the elimination.

If successful, the host will post “A head rolls inadvertently” followed by the target's alignment flip only (without the role).

You got a limited amount of Kidnapper, Izanoomi and Factional Guillotine uses.

holy actual fuck

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:26 pm Mac was able to vote in thread while he was Izanoomi targeted.
@Dolby I'm gonna need you to follow along here and place a vote on yourself.
Doing so will confirm that you have been Izanoomi targeted and you're not just playing a game.

We know that this is a safe vote b/c there can't be enough wolves alive to majority you

You can't ask him to angleshoot like this. I almost got mod-killed for it and so did the people asking me to do it.

if soup was real and that was fake then we have now gone 6 days with no soup.

Mafia don't have cycle limitations so if soup was a role it could have just simply been followed up the very next night.

If there is a mafia role capable of making a fake soup gambit we have somehow killed 5 wolves except it and the peek is either fake or there are 2 wolves left alive.

Soup was real. It was a 1 shot hail Mary. They missed.

At this point your only out is HK being a wolf dude.

which means if was very likely just a real soup and Scotty is outed last mafia

Every mafia flip didn't have to act in a cycle. So if soup is a joat role it isn't on a cycle. So its gone. The end. No soup.

That said we both ended up on another wolf. But so did flipped wolfy Nanook.

I forgot Nanook was a dead wolf so forget what I said about LC apathy read.

It would mean the team is Alison and Lime Coke. Alison and I both hard pushed Lime Coke d1. Though admittedly neither of us ended d1 there.

The question is if Scotty is town can there be two other wolves.

From my perspective it would require Alison to be mafia. It's not impossible. She does have this level of wolfgame in her range. She did also catch 3 NK immunities in a row in the early game. Would be nice if we snapped those to see if wolves were voting her.

LC being wolf would also have motive to keep the rest of the souped players alive.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:14 pm ok, maybe it's time to town case everyone
ugh

LC was souped, let themselves get vanillaised and has a dead town godread.

Scotty has been quite towny. Seems like Ender tried pretty hard to kill them.

You are a resurrected townflip.

Alison was kidnapped and has been a pro town voice plus was in the soup. I have mind melded with her a lot and feel she has just been townie.

I was cursed for 2 phases and in soup.

Dolby souped and killed a red check and a wolf.

Dolby is omega level clear. You are all but clear. Alison and I are clear barring wifom. LC is only clear by the soup and without it would be my push today.

C4 died as town with a strong townread on Scotty and a wolf read on Lime Coke. It's worth considering.

LC getting vanillaised may have been just apathy. If there is actually only one wolf left alive and they have no soup kill left then they've been solo since Martin flipped. LC fits the profile there. It would explain why there was no curse or kidnap on that night at least also.

But if LC is a solo wolf we can afford to clear Scotty first anyway. And Scotty is mafia in almost all 2 wolf worlds fmpov.

rightio well its not like my vote is a death sentence. 4 is hammer.

this flipped mafia role has made 0 actions since n2 it would appear? or at least unblocked actions.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:01 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:58 pm [VOTE: scotty] aubergine
That you are already willing to throw me to the gallows without Dolby even chiming in is concerning

I can't see how Dolby says anything that updates my opinion.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:56 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:51 pm Or, there’s only one wolf. That makes more sense to my little pig brain
If there is only 1 wolf then a townie caused all the n2 card swapping. The only townie it could have been is you.

Also means there never was a flip insanifier. Also means the weird flip stuff from last night was also town caused. Which again would be you.
Why could it have only been me? We still don’t know what else Lime Coke or Dolby can do.

I literally haven’t done shit with my role because the conditions haven’t been met. Don’t know what else to tell you

It just would be if it was a townie. Why would either of them be responsible for card swapping n2 and not just claim it if they were town?

Ok well sorry for throwing.

I am fine with a nice old school throw and surprise wolf endgamer or two. It's been a while.

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine

And what purpose does a town have to do card swapping or flip tomfoolery.

2 woofs here gang.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:51 pm Or, there’s only one wolf. That makes more sense to my little pig brain

If there is only 1 wolf then a townie caused all the n2 card swapping. The only townie it could have been is you.

Also means there never was a flip insanifier. Also means the weird flip stuff from last night was also town caused. Which again would be you.

@Lime Coke why did you swap your card with mine in particular?

For the record LC has given me a card that gives me a 10% chance of commuting at night.

Oh maybe LC did try to put saves on people but kept killing them lmao.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:28 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:19 pm @Lime Coke you sent me your card right?
Yes I ended up with your card.

Tbh I wish I had it earlier.
why? your card is better.
It was better with what I have.

as in a doctor that can kill people if you're insane? lol

LC is a supposed doctor and hasn't landed a save on day 6 though the wolves have been targeting doc dodge and asinine targets all game long.

C4 died with a hate boner for LC.

But if LC is a wolf, so too is Scotty anyway.

Scotty is basically mafia in all worlds and then if his flip doesn't end the game we just kill Lime Coke?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:28 pm Aight so if there is just one wolf alive and it's the role peek then the soup is real because mafia have no function to make that fake post.

So in that world it's just Scotty.

In two maf worlds it's Scotty and probably LC. With one of them having a card swapping role as well as some sort of similar role to Seanzie's gambit role and probably also a role that insanifies flips.

Then there is also the missing role to explain why C4 and Listo flipped with the same role.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:19 pm @Lime Coke you sent me your card right?
Yes I ended up with your card.

Tbh I wish I had it earlier.

why? your card is better.

Aight so if there is just one wolf alive and it's the role peek then the soup is real because mafia have no function to make that fake post.

So in that world it's just Scotty.

In two maf worlds it's Scotty and probably LC. With one of them having a card swapping role as well as some sort of similar role to Seanzie's gambit role and probably also a role that insanifies flips.

@Lime Coke you sent me your card right?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:14 pm So Alison got kidnapped n1. I got cursed n2. This peeked role apparently did nothing n3. So that clearly means that the tactician redistributed on n3. Martin originally had the curse power. Died d4 which released me from the curse.

Question is why the person with these roles has not made a single action since.

And where is the wolf who did the card swapping on n2 that was clearly originally Nanook?
Didn’t Dolby say they had honey’s flavor card? Looks like creature swapped with him, if my deduction is correct

Card swapping is an odd night function.

There were several swaps through Nanook on n2 that nobody claimed.

I think it is exceedingly clear by the wording of the role and Martin flipping tactician that he held my curse. Otherwise I would still be cursed.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:14 pm So Alison got kidnapped n1. I got cursed n2. This peeked role apparently did nothing n3. So that clearly means that the tactician redistributed on n3. Martin originally had the curse power. Died d4 which released me from the curse.

Question is why the person with these roles has not made a single action since.

And where is the wolf who did the card swapping on n2 that was clearly originally Nanook?
You started your insanification at exactly 7 hours after D3 started. I think it might have been the D3/N3 cycle

I am pretty sure it was a n2 action the host just forgot the process initially.

So Alison got kidnapped n1. I got cursed n2. This peeked role apparently did nothing n3. So that clearly means that the tactician redistributed on n3. Martin originally had the curse power. Died d4 which released me from the curse.

Question is why the person with these roles has not made a single action since.

And where is the wolf who did the card swapping on n2 that was clearly originally Nanook?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:09 pm Lime town reasons:
soup
acceptable votes
soup
pushes that made sense at the time even if they were wrong

Dead town godread.

There are two wolves left alive imo.

I was disloyal PGO last night so its plausible Listo or C4 weren't paying attention to my claim and targeted me and died fwiw.

I doubt they target each other. So it makes more sense that there was a BG save.

It'd be pretty cooked if they did somehow both have the same role. Maybe one of them was able to copy another players role originally or something.

Like it feels like there should be a janitor. There also needs an explanation for why c4 and listo flipped with the same roles which also looks like a mafia ability. If either of those are true and the exposed role card is actually in play and active then there are two wolves left.

That would mean fake soup or it would mean Hollowkatt's card is bogus info. Which... like bastard game so why not.

I am a little paranoid there are two wolves alive.

Okay soon

TH flipping town is nuts. I was stunned. His claim made no sense with his pushes.

This mafia role that got exposed looks to be false because none of those actions have been used since n2. I assume that Martin had the kidnap and the izanoomi because my curse lifted when he died. I assume that the Mafia used tactician to reassign a bunch of roles on n3. Which explains how Nanook flipped with no role that explains the shenanigans that occured on n2 with the card swapping which should now clearly be him.

I still think that the soup kill was probably real. This exposed role speaks of it as though it is a night action and it occurred during the day but that might just be missing info. I think the fact that the Mafia haven't used one and its now day 6 heavily implies it was real and used up.

Is Scotty just the last Mafia here?

I am never making a read on Nanook again.

Reasonable point.

@c4e5g3d5 ... I think you might be right about Lime Coke. I just read his ISO and he is scummy. If I had to point something out in particular it would be his dealing with your slot. He wanted to bury Creature but that slowly dissipated for no apparent reason and in the face of youn subbing into that slot he has refused to pick back up the suspicion.

Also his post count deteriorated every day. As the game has gone on his wim to solve has dried up.

Maybe you are just that good...

So TripleHaven is in a funny spot.

He has clearly gone belly up and is outed mafia.

However he is so resigned he hasn't bothered to get to 10 posts. He is on one post.

Which means if he survives today he is a vanilla wolf.

Which is why I was trying to find a 2nd wolf earlier. I intended to do this closer to EOD. But I kinda wanna open discussion here and now because like worst case scenario is TH comes back and makes some posts oh well big deal right.

Am I crazy or is this a good opportunity?

TH is there for us tomorrow anyway right?

Do we get any true information via his flip?

We could go a long way to winning if we chop the a non TH wolf and leave a vanilla TH behind.

Do we have anything to lose by chopping someone else in the POE here first?

I assume he meant to write Honey.

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:14 am For 100% clarity, I received Honeys card N3

You received Honey's card N3 and Nanooks at dawn of the same phase?

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