The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:43 pm nanook, johann, funnygurl, and hyena are my top town reads. G-man and wilgy are not priority suspects either. I lean town on boo but don't want to tell others not to suspect him. If neither of Jack or Mac are bad then I will be surprised.

WE HAVE THE SAME FUCKING READS

Mac tinfoiling nutella in the early game is basically exactly on brand Sloonei. She resides in a similar place in my head to you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:40 pm I looked at Mac's recent posts to see where the smoking gun that points to boo is. I didn't find it. boo just kind of abruptly became the top suspect today.

I also still don't feel like mac has even come close to addressing my early concern about him:
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Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:49 pm I also have genuine concerns about Mac's progression on nutella:
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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:45 pm It is quite silly that anyone can look at nutella and not see an obvious civilian.
Nutella is too good of a player for this read and you know it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:11 pm Nutella should still be the one we give the gun to, fwiw.
Nutella is incapable of projecting town strong enough day one for me to clear her. Shes too capable of her town range when wolf.

In time that changes. She makes herself obvious with results. Like you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:34 pm Sloonei nutella isn't getting the gun because we're in a game with a lot of non regs and most of them don't trust and are triggered by her usual behaviours, just shouting about it isn't going to help. You had a chance to give me the gun because I had FG, Hyena, Dragomir etc. but frankly you blew it. Not me, you. You did this. And should be sad and ashamed of yourself.

He made all three of these posts to justify not letting her have the gun. She's too good of a player to have a read on this early, he insists. We can't trust her with the gun when it's entirely possible that he scum game is just a perfect reflection of her town game at this stage!

And that he decides to shoot that very same player on Night 1.

He repeatedly downplayed my calls for nutella to get the gun because she's too good of a player for anyone to have a clear sense of her alignment at that stage of the game. But then he goes ahead and shoots her anyway.

The nutella suspicion (in general) never made sense to me, and I'm beginning to think it was amplified by an opportunistic scum team.

Yeah and what were the names of the players that were pushing me to shoot Nutella?

I didn't say Nutella wasn't getting the gun because she's too good of a player you lightweight. I said she wasn't getting the gun because the players in this game that aren't used to her were triggered by her usual behaviour and she wasn't trusted enough so going that way was a waste of time trying to go that way. Notwithstanding that several people seemed to want her dead.

Also I destroyed Boo to a degree few have ever been destroyed. You're being a tunneling lightweight. Get out of the tunnel lightweight.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:10 pm boo ISO
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boo wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 7:24 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 2:49 am Anyway Mac is scum discuss.
Yea, but you're bussing.

I've talked quite a lot about nutella in this game, and the way Day 1 unfolded. I was more vocally supportive of her than I ordinarily would be of anyone on Day 1 because A) I didn't have many reads at the time, but "nutella is town" was the strongest of the bunch and B) the widespread suspicion I saw against her seemed entirely misguided. People were hurling accusations at her for doing all of the things that make Civilian Nutella a great player. It was goofy.
As we've already seen Drago was a prominent member of the anti-nutella campaign, I've become even more wary of it in hindsight. But I also need to check that a little: It is unlikely that the mafia team alone would have launched a full assault on nutella like that. They would need to lean on some civilian support. boo was also a card-carrying member of the anti-nutella committee. I'm not sure how that reflects back on him just yet. But it originates with this post, which... has no substance whatsoever.

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boo wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 7:33 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 4:51 am I have gamesolve anyway.

boo - scum
Dragomir - town
DrWilgy - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Duskfall - town
Funnygurl555 - scum
G-Man - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Hyena - town
Jackofhearts2005 - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Johann - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - town
nutella - town
Sloonei - town

Shooting order:

FG > Boo > G-Man > Wilgy > Jack > Johann

Game winning POE already.
You're not great at math, huh? "doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough" = "if a single one of my scum reads is wrong [and spoiler alert: at least one is], following this would 100% lose the game. If both are right [nope], but my towncore is wrong, following this would 100% lose the game".

Or you're bad and think everyone else is terrible at figuring out odds?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 2:49 am Anyway Mac is scum discuss.
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine: shoot him, kthanks.
boo wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 7:34 am oh wait, you had a vote I thought nutella? [VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Places a vote on nutella and then quickly removes it. I don't know what's going on here. The premise of the initial vote is that boo wants mac shot. He backs off because nutella doesn't have any other votes? This is super early in the day. I don't understand what's going on in boo's head. This is the player who also criticized me for casting an "inconsequential" vote for wilgy for five minutes with an hour to go before the deadline. boo is an old school syndicat, and vote changes can be something of a devil for that crowd. I have as much first hand experience with that line of skepticism as anyone.

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boo wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 7:32 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 7:27 pm
boo wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 7:22 pm[VOTE: Hyena] aubergine
Can you back this up? I don't see prior allusion to your read of him in your iso.
He seems to want to shoot you. That sounds good to me rn.
boo's next series of posts continue to stay focused on nutella. Now he wants to give hyena the gun so nutella can get shot. Okay. I remain thoroughly unclear on why nutella is even a suspect at this stage.

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boo wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:45 pm I don't believe in townreading. It's nonsensical BS people make claims about and then think they're right on, because, *gasp*, yea, obviously you're statistically going to be right most of the time, there are more town. Kind of how the game works.

I wanted to vote for her at that point because I didn't especially like other places votes were going and thought she had one, but you'd already moved off her. Plus I thought she'd consider shooting Mac, which is something I would've been okay with (still am, but less relevant now).

She'd make my shortlist of people to shoot if I got the gun, currently, yes. So you wanting to shoot her specifically works for me. It doesn't affect my read on Mac, it's too early to be looking at connecting people as teammates.
"I don't believe in townreading" is the most bizarro sentence I could read in a mafia game, but it is again something that makes sense coming from an old school syndicat (once upon a time we required players to survive to the end of the game to qualify for a win. civilians played the game more like independents than civilians, and publicly identifying other civilians was seen as giving the mafia team a roadmap to effective kills, and that old attitude still lingers for some). I think that philosophy could also go a long way to explain some of boo's more eyebrow-raising behavior. I am not looking to make excuses for boo or let him off too easily, but it is certainly not impossible to read an honest mindset in his posts.
Civilians win the game by cooperating.

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boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:54 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:44 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:42 am
boo wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 8:00 am I got my PM and do not care when phases start/end.

Self-killing makes zero sense Johann.

We should give the gun to someone with a subset of players they're allowed to choose from to shoot.

If they go outside that, they got shot next.

I think it's better then deciding on a specific player because that keeps mafia from being able to control the conversation easily.

And at 13 players, 10/3 split... Assuming the gun always gets used (no ties, but in most cases that should be easy enough to avoid since we can hammer)... We can only afford like 4 gun uses on a civ? One or two more if we get 1 or 2 of the mafia mixed in with that? Right? It's too early for me to be mathing. But it's a general point.

Then once we have a baddie killed, players who had them in their subset but chose not to shoot them can be looked at more in depth. Plus that's a way to try and force the mafia into bussing if they do get the gun.
this is boo's first post and it's basically stating the obvious about how the game works. imo it's fluff

boo wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 8:55 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 8:52 pm COMPROMISE is what makes this country GREAT, except when it’s MY IDEALS, in which case we must be UNCOMPROMISING in the face of ADVERSITY
something something towncore, something something if I get the gun I'll shoot you, something something casual mention of someone who hasn't even posted but I am saying is either 100% town or mafia. Actually, no. Strike that. They're the secret independent role that isn't stated in the roles. Probably? But I don't know, because reading host posts is apparently for nerds, so I haven't done that.
this is... what the actual fuck is this. this is a scum post 99% of the time it exists.
Wait, is this all you got against him?
Yes, because she's mafia and I'm an easy mis-shot, and she knows it and is going balls to the wall trying to make it happen because if she doesn't I'll be gunning for her until she gets shot and she knows it.

Again, this is not an unbelievable post for a civilian boo to make. I am unsure how much I want to read into Drago's stepping in on this matter; it reads more like an effort to discredit nutella than a defense of boo. boo is a consequential bystander. But my gut right now tells me this whole exchange is too over-the-top to be double-you/double-you. I've looked at this three times now and the needle is pointing toward a civilian boo.

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boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 12:49 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 12:47 pm Cause nutella is town so stop pushing that please

Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 12:47 pm Unless she is scum that would be sad but I hope she is town
There are 3 people who want this dude to have the gun?
... however, I continue to not know why any of boo's reads exist. The nutella suspicion seems to be the catalyst for everything else(?). He opposed giving duskfall the gun specifically because he calls nutella town. I assume that I am also on boo's shortlist because I was on nutella's side as well. But it's unclear where the nutella suspicion originated. If that read is the bedrock of boo's game, then it's shaky and elusive.

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boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 4:32 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 4:24 pm So you think nutella specifically doesn’t want the gun D1 as scum.

Why?
She would want it as town, and make a pretty noticeable effort to form a base that townreads her and will vote for her. That lack of any effort at forming a base (and her explanation for it: Hyena and I suspecting her) is suspicious to me. Anyone town should be on a strong offensive, and that's what her offensive in this format is what I think we'd see. It isn't what I'm seeing from her, I'm seeing some posturing offense and way to much of a defensive mindset. It doesn't fit.
He eventually explains why he suspects nutella so firmly, but this doesn't really satisfy me. That doesn't necessarily mean I don't believe him, and I think I slapped a town read on him shortly after this post(?). My impression of this suspicion at the time was that boo was projecting a certain idea onto nutella, trying to make the piece fit into the hole. It didn't, but he was determined. I felt like there was sincerity in the effort.

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boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:14 pm Funnygurl555 No, I don't think nutella is town. but I don't think you're town either. I wouldn't go so far as to partner you, way too early for that. but one of you is mafia. I'd probably shoot you over her, or at least argue for your inclusion in the short list over hers.

I like posts like this. boo is careful not to have his suspicions misconstrued or conflated into anything they're not. I think it reflects a level of focus that is more likely to be prevalent in a civilian: "This is how I feel, and I want to make sure there are no mistakes about it."

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boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:30 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:22 pm Boo what is your dragomir read btw I can't remember?
I dunno if I've mentioned him, so that might be why.

He isn't someone who ever sticks out to me long enough to consider. I know I've played a game where he got lynched D1 or 2 as mafia, and even then I had no idea why it went down with so much support. That hasn't really been different here. I've seen him tossed about, and I've opened his ISO, but it's just a blank wall for me. There's just more interesting people to look at.

Today I'll be tunneling Jack. Being wrong about nutella made me lose a lot of interest in this game, but now that I have that it's what I want to deal with.

I mentioned this post in the interactive ISO. It's probably my least favorite moment in the game for boo. To reiterate, he's said nothing about drago all game. When he's directly asked to provide a read, he stammers for a bit and ultimately says nothing.

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boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:47 pm
Johann wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:39 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:12 pm
Johann wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:03 pm What i find interesting is that i am scum to hyena and boo but neither made a case why
I'm not interested in advocating your getting shot yet. Jack would need to go first. The result of that would tie in to you.
Why not shoot me first tho?
If jack flip should give you info about me shouldnt my death also provide info for jack?

I just dont buy it. It sounds bad and it is bad.

You called me scum but never bothered to explain why
You called my theory about dusk dumb but never bothered to explain why

To me you are just smoke but no fire. Your accusations have no substance and thus you yourself have no substance. And i am perfectly okay if you get shot

No, he connects to you in certain demonstrable ways he has shown. It doesn't flip in the other direction.

I didn't call it dumb, I called it wrong.

To me, it doesn't matter what I am to you. You aren't going to get the gun today, so I don't need to preventing you from wanting to shoot me, and I don't want you shot yet, so it doesn't serve the order of my suspicions to go after you with every reason I have for it.

You're stuck in the mindset of there being lynches. View it all outside of that, and then let that make you play differently, and maybe it will make some sense to you.
But then posts like this keep me from scum-reading boo too hard. He is philosophically apart from everyone else in this game, but he is able to articulate his thoughts so clearly that I can't help but believe they are coming from an honest place. Everyone's questioning him all the time, but I never find myself raising my eyebrows once he's addressed the initial concerns.

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boo wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 1:22 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:11 am Boo, did you turn on me because I lowered you to null and raised Jack up to null with you? :P Also, did you think the argument that I originally made about Nutella (that you pushed alongside me), where I said that scum might not want the gun and might not want to be responsible for shooting town, was towny?
Turning on you would imply we were ever on a team. I found you suspicious at points during d1, but not enough to not push you above other people. N1 that changed some, d2 that changed a lot. The weakest part of my town game is not adjusting reads enough as I go (or being so aware of that I go all over the place because I trust none of my reads). I'm fairly satisfied with how I handled my Nutella suspicion this game. I was wrong, but such is life. I think I'm approaching you right. I failed at my approach to Jack in a few ways. Regrouping on that front and if Nanook doesn't decide to shoot him I'll look at it again d3.

Doing Towny things doesn't inherently make someone town.

Here's a lot of words that don't explain why Hyena is a suspect. This is another slight issue I have when I try to clear boo for myself: I understand him when he explain his philosophy, but I don't see the same clarity when he expresses his reads.

Nothing else really stands out to me from Day 3. Johann suggests that there is something bad in his exchange with boo during this phase, but I'm not sure I see it. @Johann care to talk some more about that? I would lean toward a town read on boo, but that's not set in stone.

I knew that I was one of the most suspect players in the game, but I didn't realise I'd become so empirically the scummiest that even Boo who is lockwolf is more town looking than me.

Jeez all because Jack talked me out of shooting him and I snap shot nutella cuz others asked me to. *sigh*

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:34 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:00 pm also idfk what's wrong with flip flopping. at least i'm out here acknowledging that i've been wrong. consistent reads are for twg gods or ppl who are too bullheaded and end up wrong, or wolves
I'm all about the flip flop life FG. Flip flop til ya don't stop I say.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:05 pm
Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:03 pm I'll rather say wilgy is townie and mafia going for him would ve too obvious
Okay, so if Wilgy is town, then I feel like the worlds are 1. exactly Jack and Mac, or 2. Boo + someone outside of Jack and Mac.

Jack and Mac is honestly one of the lowest IQ takes I've ever seen in a Mafia game. It's one of those low IQ takes that is so low IQ that it convinces the low IQ exponent that it makes them high IQ.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:02 pm like for example i was wrong about hyena and then i did that iso and was like "HAHA WELP" but wouldn't it be hella annoying if i were still on that train?

exactly

please don't shoot mac

FG sure can read a Mac that's for dang sure.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:00 pm also idfk what's wrong with flip flopping. at least i'm out here acknowledging that i've been wrong. consistent reads are for twg gods or ppl who are too bullheaded and end up wrong, or wolves

I'm all about the flip flop life FG. Flip flop til ya don't stop I say.

Well fuck all y'all who can't read me for shit hahahaha.

Out here got Boo dead in the water. Fucking gymnastics and shit God damn it boomhauer.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 7:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 7:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 6:55 pm Mac & Drago
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MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 4:51 am I have gamesolve anyway.

boo - scum
Dragomir - town
DrWilgy - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Duskfall - town
Funnygurl555 - scum
G-Man - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Hyena - town
Jackofhearts2005 - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Johann - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - town
nutella - town
Sloonei - town

Shooting order:

FG > Boo > G-Man > Wilgy > Jack > Johann

Game winning POE already.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:10 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:06 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 2:21 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 2:09 am

Hey, you have the most votes on the poll right now. What do you think about those voting for you?
I think they’re very smart and good people!
So GTH they're all town?
Do you think Nanook is a wolf?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:20 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:10 am @MacDougall your Hyena scum read goes against my town read on her. Talk to me about your read.
Hyena seems aright it's just that FG/Hyena feel like teammates. The "oh revenge shoot lol" thing seems like bs. They went on about it too much. If FG flips town I'll probably drop the read entirely.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 6:49 am Dragomir just do your own work for now I don't care enough to explain myself.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:42 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:40 pm @MacDougall do you think Nutella is good or bad?
I think it would be foolhardy to give her a town read here but as of right now she is not someone I will shoot.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:52 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:51 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:49 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:48 pm

Why don't you unvote yourself to make it not tied?
Move your vote to Dusk, and I will unvote myself and move to Dusk, too.
Nah. I like my Mac vote.
Hyena and Duskfall fear me having the gun. Funny.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:34 pm Sloonei nutella isn't getting the gun because we're in a game with a lot of non regs and most of them don't trust and are triggered by her usual behaviours, just shouting about it isn't going to help. You had a chance to give me the gun because I had FG, Hyena, Dragomir etc. but frankly you blew it. Not me, you. You did this. And should be sad and ashamed of yourself.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:06 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:06 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:05 pm It's false logic so it triggers me.
WTF did Boo and Dragomir do to you in scum chat?? Where is Mac?
What a strange and reachy horrible scummy post this is lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:13 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:11 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:10 pm Btw reversing my drago read good chance he's scum
Yeah I'm cool with this. Shoot Drago, Mac?
Dragomir was a big supporter of arming me. It'd take some convincing.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:18 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:16 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:15 pm

He risked tying the vote and giving town no gun to make sure I didn't get the gun, I'm his top townread. Regardless of you Vs me wanting the gun aside, why the hell would a town player risk the tie here last minute to take the gun out of your top towns hand? Even if he thinks you are slightly better with the gun I should be a nearly perfect to get the gun he should never CFD off me last minute
What was your read on him prior to EOD and did he know it?
I listed him in my top town 2 or 3 minutes before he cfded
Yeah ok Drago def on the shortlist.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:19 pm Btw nutella you stinking butt head. I AM reading the thread.

So far here's the score:

FG - Sus
Hyena - Sus
Nanook - Cleared
Johann - Cleared
Nutella - Sus

Still going.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:34 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:37 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 4:22 pm I'm bored with the convo about Johann self-shooting. I'm so bored with it, I refuse to reread it and make reads from it.
Hyena is town. Lock it and throw the key away.
Say stuff about this

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:16 pm So basically here are my narrowed down options.

G-man - Not spicy but I think he's scum
Wilgy - Not spicy and I think he's town
Johann - Lil bit spicy and I think he's scum
Hyena - Spicy and I suspect
Dragomir - Spicy and I suspect
Jack - Flaming spice and I think he's scum

I have the shot submitted on Jack unless I have a change of heart.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:29 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:23 pm Johann, Nutella, and FG would be all shots I'd be fine with. I'd only shoot Jack after those three and G-Man.

I don't think I'd shoot Mac or Dusk ever. Nanook would be a SUPER spicy shot, especially considering that he's starting to trend into that tone territory where I get iffy about him, like I did in Corona Virus.
Talk to me more about Johann, as well as your Nanook read.

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:23 pm I think I'd keep Sloonei around another day.
Why did you frame it like this, versus just town reading him? What is your reservation?

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:25 pm Boo and Drago are no-gos for me right now. I'd never shoot them right now, but if I had to pick one to die over the other right now, it would always be Drago to shoot over Boo since I'm less sure about Drago. Boo just feels pure right now to me.
Why did you feel the need to pair these two off? Particularly why did you feel the need to go from no go-s to choosing between them? I don't understand your thought process here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:46 pm boo - no
Dragomir - no
DrWilgy - no
Duskfall - ...
Funnygurl555 - no
G-Man - ...
Hyena - ...
Jackofhearts2005 - ...
Johann - ...
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - ...
nutella - no
Sloonei - no

Duskfall... nah
G-man... nah
Wilgy... nah
Hyena ... nah
Johann maybe
Jack maybe
Nanook maybe... nah.

Kind of in two minds about Johann and Jack here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 11:43 pm I think I look worst here but that's because Dragomir did work to pocket me. I think there's a good chance the Johann case was just distancing. Dragomir didn't respond to it like a scum responds to a townie casing them.

Bit sus on his interactions with Boo and FG too. I'd focus on those three.

This is uninspiring. Mac suggests some suspicion of Drago while he's holding the gun, but I don't see much evidence that he's actively considering a shot in that direction. At one point he acknowldges a case against Drago and places him "on the shortlist", but then Mac's very next post is a general summary of players he has decisive thoughts on, and Drago is omitted. There's no sustained pressure on Drago from Mac on Day 2, or really any pressure at all. He made a quick point to downplay the associative reads between them, which is yuck. I still maintain a firm suspicion on Mac based on the entirety of his handling of nutella Day/Night 1. His interactions with Drago are not encouraging either. If I could get the gun, I'd probably shoot mac.
Fuck this nightmare. You were meant to join me not turn on me.
Join you in what? When did I turn on you? I've been consistently naming you as a suspect for a while. But I'm not getting the gun, so you don't need to worry too much about old sloon. Tell us who deserves to be shot instead of you and hope for the best.

Like come in and catch up and realise I'm the sane person and all my arguments against Boo were legit and back me up and shit gdi.

Sloobot malfunctioning. I can't play wolf like this Sloonei. I haven't managed a wolf game anything close to this in years. I've been nothing but honest and sincere. God's honest truth that is.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 6:55 pm Mac & Drago
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MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 4:51 am I have gamesolve anyway.

boo - scum
Dragomir - town
DrWilgy - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Duskfall - town
Funnygurl555 - scum
G-Man - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Hyena - town
Jackofhearts2005 - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Johann - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - town
nutella - town
Sloonei - town

Shooting order:

FG > Boo > G-Man > Wilgy > Jack > Johann

Game winning POE already.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:10 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:06 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 2:21 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 2:09 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:49 am There are 162 posts and I have 37 of them ~22%), while that’s a terrible baseball record it is a pretty solid yards per carry

What a time to be alive
Hey, you have the most votes on the poll right now. What do you think about those voting for you?
I think they’re very smart and good people!
So GTH they're all town?
Do you think Nanook is a wolf?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:20 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:10 am @MacDougall your Hyena scum read goes against my town read on her. Talk to me about your read.
Hyena seems aright it's just that FG/Hyena feel like teammates. The "oh revenge shoot lol" thing seems like bs. They went on about it too much. If FG flips town I'll probably drop the read entirely.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 6:49 am Dragomir just do your own work for now I don't care enough to explain myself.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:42 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:40 pm @MacDougall do you think Nutella is good or bad?
I think it would be foolhardy to give her a town read here but as of right now she is not someone I will shoot.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:52 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:51 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:49 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:48 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:46 pm Also, I don't like how the votes are tied again. That seems to keep happening in spite of me calling for people to avoid doing it.
Why don't you unvote yourself to make it not tied?
Move your vote to Dusk, and I will unvote myself and move to Dusk, too.
Nah. I like my Mac vote.
Hyena and Duskfall fear me having the gun. Funny.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:34 pm Sloonei nutella isn't getting the gun because we're in a game with a lot of non regs and most of them don't trust and are triggered by her usual behaviours, just shouting about it isn't going to help. You had a chance to give me the gun because I had FG, Hyena, Dragomir etc. but frankly you blew it. Not me, you. You did this. And should be sad and ashamed of yourself.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:06 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:06 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:05 pm It's false logic so it triggers me.
WTF did Boo and Dragomir do to you in scum chat?? Where is Mac?
What a strange and reachy horrible scummy post this is lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:13 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:11 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:10 pm Btw reversing my drago read good chance he's scum
Yeah I'm cool with this. Shoot Drago, Mac?
Dragomir was a big supporter of arming me. It'd take some convincing.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:18 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:16 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:13 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:11 pm

Yeah I'm cool with this. Shoot Drago, Mac?
Dragomir was a big supporter of arming me. It'd take some convincing.
He risked tying the vote and giving town no gun to make sure I didn't get the gun, I'm his top townread. Regardless of you Vs me wanting the gun aside, why the hell would a town player risk the tie here last minute to take the gun out of your top towns hand? Even if he thinks you are slightly better with the gun I should be a nearly perfect to get the gun he should never CFD off me last minute
What was your read on him prior to EOD and did he know it?
I listed him in my top town 2 or 3 minutes before he cfded
Yeah ok Drago def on the shortlist.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:19 pm Btw nutella you stinking butt head. I AM reading the thread.

So far here's the score:

FG - Sus
Hyena - Sus
Nanook - Cleared
Johann - Cleared
Nutella - Sus

Still going.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:34 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:37 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 4:22 pm I'm bored with the convo about Johann self-shooting. I'm so bored with it, I refuse to reread it and make reads from it.
Hyena is town. Lock it and throw the key away.
Say stuff about this

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:16 pm So basically here are my narrowed down options.

G-man - Not spicy but I think he's scum
Wilgy - Not spicy and I think he's town
Johann - Lil bit spicy and I think he's scum
Hyena - Spicy and I suspect
Dragomir - Spicy and I suspect
Jack - Flaming spice and I think he's scum

I have the shot submitted on Jack unless I have a change of heart.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:29 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:23 pm Johann, Nutella, and FG would be all shots I'd be fine with. I'd only shoot Jack after those three and G-Man.

I don't think I'd shoot Mac or Dusk ever. Nanook would be a SUPER spicy shot, especially considering that he's starting to trend into that tone territory where I get iffy about him, like I did in Corona Virus.
Talk to me more about Johann, as well as your Nanook read.

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:23 pm I think I'd keep Sloonei around another day.
Why did you frame it like this, versus just town reading him? What is your reservation?

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:25 pm Boo and Drago are no-gos for me right now. I'd never shoot them right now, but if I had to pick one to die over the other right now, it would always be Drago to shoot over Boo since I'm less sure about Drago. Boo just feels pure right now to me.
Why did you feel the need to pair these two off? Particularly why did you feel the need to go from no go-s to choosing between them? I don't understand your thought process here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:46 pm boo - no
Dragomir - no
DrWilgy - no
Duskfall - ...
Funnygurl555 - no
G-Man - ...
Hyena - ...
Jackofhearts2005 - ...
Johann - ...
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - ...
nutella - no
Sloonei - no

Duskfall... nah
G-man... nah
Wilgy... nah
Hyena ... nah
Johann maybe
Jack maybe
Nanook maybe... nah.

Kind of in two minds about Johann and Jack here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 11:43 pm I think I look worst here but that's because Dragomir did work to pocket me. I think there's a good chance the Johann case was just distancing. Dragomir didn't respond to it like a scum responds to a townie casing them.

Bit sus on his interactions with Boo and FG too. I'd focus on those three.

This is uninspiring. Mac suggests some suspicion of Drago while he's holding the gun, but I don't see much evidence that he's actively considering a shot in that direction. At one point he acknowldges a case against Drago and places him "on the shortlist", but then Mac's very next post is a general summary of players he has decisive thoughts on, and Drago is omitted. There's no sustained pressure on Drago from Mac on Day 2, or really any pressure at all. He made a quick point to downplay the associative reads between them, which is yuck. I still maintain a firm suspicion on Mac based on the entirety of his handling of nutella Day/Night 1. His interactions with Drago are not encouraging either. If I could get the gun, I'd probably shoot mac.

Fuck this nightmare. You were meant to join me not turn on me.

I don't think Hyena is scum. I don't need any explanations. His explanations for his suspicion you posted are nearly unfakeable. I was only testing my own town read on him anyway.

It nearly had to just be Boo and Wilgy to me.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 1:12 pm If he can’t handle entirely fair questions/observations...well tbh I don’t really give a fuck.

You can have salient points and still be a dick Nanook. In fact often that's worse.

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 1:10 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 1:09 pm
Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 1:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 1:06 pm Ah that's very good for Hyena. Thanks.
Hyena and boo can never be last 2 scum. And judging from these 2 points i lean more towards boo than hyena being scum
We're gonna be surprised by the final two one way or another so I wouldn't be so quick to make such absolute statements.
If you were in hyenas shoes would you bus boo?

Given the bullet ends up determined by one single player heavy distancing would be on the menu.

Hyena's reasons feel nuanced and legitimate though. The specific content itself. The act of suspecting your teammate here is imo less risky ergo more beneficial. And I think we can see the evidence of it occurring in that nobody really feels compatible with Dragomir perfectly, nor do any two others make perfect sense.

I am resorting to searching for a lack of sincerity of effort as my primary indicator plus nka. Which is why I arrived at Boo.

Frankly if not for the shot I'd be suspecting Nanook too. He has not felt earnestly like he's solving. More making decisions about who to say is scum or town at any given moment. But that's also my experience with Nanook historically as town.

Which leads me to it's just Boo and Wilgy.

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 1:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 1:06 pm Ah that's very good for Hyena. Thanks.
Hyena and boo can never be last 2 scum. And judging from these 2 points i lean more towards boo than hyena being scum

We're gonna be surprised by the final two one way or another so I wouldn't be so quick to make such absolute statements.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 1:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 1:00 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:55 pm What happened to “I’ll do what the consensus says” lmao
Dude stop agitating obviously you pissed him off as you intended, any more and you're just way overstepping frankly.
Show me how this isn’t a legitimate question

For one Johann is pissed off at you and told you he's ignoring you and that was like 15 minutes ago so he's had no time to cool off. There's no way he's going to joy react harshly at this.

And the lmao is very much teasing him.

If you're doing this on purpose and trying to play dumb I'm bery disappoint in u child.

Ah that's very good for Hyena. Thanks.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:55 pm What happened to “I’ll do what the consensus says” lmao

Dude stop agitating obviously you pissed him off as you intended, any more and you're just way overstepping frankly.

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:52 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:12 pm So, like, right now, I'm counting votes to give me a gun as votes to lynch Nutella, and votes to give Dusk a gun as votes to lynch me. Please correct me if I shouldn't be doing this right now.
This gives me pause a bit because I remember Duskfall being confused as to why Dragomir voted against giving Dusk the gun despite having a locked in town read on him. Perhaps the answer as to why Dragomir made such an outwardly risky move is because they believed Dusk would shoot Hyena.
Or bcs Drago prefered nutella kill rather than hyena

That's quite the same thing but also you're missing my point. Dragomir didn't vote for Hyena to get the gun at end of day. He voted for me to have it. Despite Duskfall being his top town read. Duskfall was super confused by it and it formed the basis of his Dragomir scum read.

Dragomir didn't specifically want anyonr but NOT Duskfall to have the gun. I wasn't claiming to shoot Nutella at eod. Iirc I'd mostly talked about ass blasting Sloonei. Dragomir voted for me to keep Duskfall from having it. As demonstrated here Hyena believed Duskfall was going to shoot him. The suggestion is that Dragomir was desperate to keep the gun away from Duskfall to save Hyena.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:12 pm So, like, right now, I'm counting votes to give me a gun as votes to lynch Nutella, and votes to give Dusk a gun as votes to lynch me. Please correct me if I shouldn't be doing this right now.

This gives me pause a bit because I remember Duskfall being confused as to why Dragomir voted against giving Dusk the gun despite having a locked in town read on him. Perhaps the answer as to why Dragomir made such an outwardly risky move is because they believed Dusk would shoot Hyena.

Downsizing = townsiding

Can't sleep. Boo literally outed. He has no reason to have me lock wolf to the degree if dismissing off hand my offering up a Wilgy/Jack world. Especially in his vulnerable position as town he would have nowhere near the level of steadfastedness in his reads. Look around him we're all flailing and calling each other names and he's just straight as an arrow refused my olive branch. He literally outed and spewed both of them town in the process. I wasn't messing around. That was literally a reaction test and his reaction was the exact scummiest.

Also Nanook you are doing that thing you do in games where you don't realise you're being too obnoxious and Johann don't overreact at Nanook he's a cool guy that walks a fine line between troll and actually being a prick. Much like me. I think you're both town. Work together.

I've done all I can to make it obvious Boo is a wolf and I am town and in the process have solved pretty much everyone else. I was rolling around in bed and sort of started to go back to Hyena as a possible partner but Dragomir/Hyena had some pretty not w/w interactions. I'll need to work out whether Hyena has demonstrated the gamesolving desire required to be town among this lot cuz a lot of people are hard downsizing here.

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:04 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:01 pm Okay maybe it's not Boo.

@Boo what if it's Jack and Wilgy? Does that make sense to you?
This is you looking for a way out. Next, please.

Reaction test failed. You're lock scum.

Ah phooey phone gonna die. Not coming back til I've slept. Goodnight.

Boo is right that if I am wolf I've got no way out here btw. It's one of the reasons I'm not a wolf lol.

Okay maybe it's not Boo.

@Boo what if it's Jack and Wilgy? Does that make sense to you?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:58 am I strongly do not want Johann to have the gun

I miss mind melding with you.

Remember when I had a mental breakdown cuz I wrongly shot nutella instead of going with my gut on Jack and then got super defensive and cut and skipped out on almost an entire phase.

I'm scum because I am adamant he is. It makes sense from both our vantage points tbh. It's just that I don't make any sense and you can't and nobody has actually made a case on me.

Boo on the other hand...........

.........

He'll I've now got more posts than anyone in the game again despite basically taking day 2 off.

Lord if it's just Wilgy and G-man lmao.

Johann can have my vote for now because he's making the most sense aside from Jack despite his bad read on me. Johann just promise to ISO me if you do get the gun. If you do and still think I'm scum and shoot me c'est la vie.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:49 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:47 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:42 am
boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:39 am
Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:33 am
boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am
Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:25 am
In case you get the gun.
Who dies?
TBD. Nanook had a list somewhere, someone in it. I'd like to think Mac and Jack are teammates, but it seems a bit too easy. I think it's probably only actually one of them, and the other is playing the other.
I can see Mac as scum more than Jack
Sell me that pitch by your words and not nanooks
I'm not really invested in you voting with me. Whichever one of them hatched this scheme doesn't expect you to be on my side of this, and even then, I still see being able to get the numbers to burn them on what they did here. So if you're more open-minded then they thought, it's still easier for me to show you that it's worth risking trusting me through my interactions with other people, not directly with you. You don't trust me. Fair enough. I've given you reason not to. So you're to tunneled on me to not be able to find a way to doubt anything I can tell you. If you have more specific questions I can try and help you get there that way, but I'm not going to be able to sell you on trusting me in the way you're asking here.
;______; this looks townie y'all
Lol no it doesn't.

"I only look bad because the players making decent points about me are wolves" is not...

Just no. I disagree.
he isn't trying to recruit people to his side he's just doing his own thing

He is currently the most present and focused on contributing making he has been all game or at least since his omgus on Nutella and it's to OMGUS me and Jack. He hasn't even attempted to ISO or gamesolve and is preferring to ate and accuse us of masterminding schemes and being out to get him.

"Hatched this scheme" is not something townies actually say. It's hilariously bullshit.

I am town. Read my ISO. I am town. Read my ISO. If you get on this wavelength you will discover the spiral and it's ultimate truth.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:43 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:35 am
Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:21 am
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:50 pm I doubt scum jack poisons me btw considering i was strongly townreading him a lot of yesterday and changed the shot off him last night, regardless of how widely townread I am. That is unless a different partner needed me dead, but worth thinking about. I would say I am likely dying for being consensus town so my scumreads while a good reference point aren't going to be everything, but mafia I am townreading would still have no reason to want me dead. So if anything probably take away my townread from my death rather than my scumreads
All townreads of someone poisoned are inherently irrelevant.

Once poisoned, you cannot get the gun. Who you trust is not going to weigh into who will then be shot the night after you die.

SR reads can be more relevant, if the mafia think they'll hold enough water to result in someone you suspect getting shot.

So, as with most mafia kills, it all boils down to WIFOM of "would they kill someone to (soon) shut them up, so people ignore their SR" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... ah shit, they weren't actually relevant and we got town" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... but maybe they expected that, so let's not listen!" vs etc, etc.

The only useful takeaway from your being poisoned is that the mafia we have here went for the unimaginative option. You were the runnerup for the gun, and in general unlikely to ever be shot, and poisoning you means you cannot get the gun today. Those are all directly useful things we don't have to wonder about them thinking, they're why you're the unimaginative option. But the mafia can't control if and how your reads come into play by deciding to kill you. It's even WIFOM for them until it goes through, because they don't know how the town will react to it.
this is why i tr'd boo
For that?
For talking game mechanics?
well from that i don't think killing duskfall would be boo's decision, and i also think boo would really wanna talk about sTrAtEgY in a maf chat
Boo: Lol nobody read too hard into Dusk's death!
FG: This means Boo probably didn't kill Dusk.
Jack:
he thinks killing dusk is lame, or as he called it, "unimaginative"

Need I remind you that wolves say all kinds of shit.

Eh I've done enough work for the day. Hopefully Slooster comes in here and puts you all in your place.

I appreciate you using my trademark format Jack.

G-man and FG are the only people town reading me and I have them in my wolf pool. That should be enough to clear me frankly.

But Black Jesus abandoned this realm eons ago.

Who is going to be the hero. When will the hero swoop in and reveal themselves. Holding out for a Doctor at this point.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:37 am It started as wanting to shake things up a bit/force people to make more challenging pushes than wilgy/boo but I think boo actually has me pocketed now tbh

Because he trolled Jack?

Mama Mia *Italian hand gestures*

Where the fuck is Black Jesus!?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:35 am
Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:21 am
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:50 pm I doubt scum jack poisons me btw considering i was strongly townreading him a lot of yesterday and changed the shot off him last night, regardless of how widely townread I am. That is unless a different partner needed me dead, but worth thinking about. I would say I am likely dying for being consensus town so my scumreads while a good reference point aren't going to be everything, but mafia I am townreading would still have no reason to want me dead. So if anything probably take away my townread from my death rather than my scumreads
All townreads of someone poisoned are inherently irrelevant.

Once poisoned, you cannot get the gun. Who you trust is not going to weigh into who will then be shot the night after you die.

SR reads can be more relevant, if the mafia think they'll hold enough water to result in someone you suspect getting shot.

So, as with most mafia kills, it all boils down to WIFOM of "would they kill someone to (soon) shut them up, so people ignore their SR" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... ah shit, they weren't actually relevant and we got town" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... but maybe they expected that, so let's not listen!" vs etc, etc.

The only useful takeaway from your being poisoned is that the mafia we have here went for the unimaginative option. You were the runnerup for the gun, and in general unlikely to ever be shot, and poisoning you means you cannot get the gun today. Those are all directly useful things we don't have to wonder about them thinking, they're why you're the unimaginative option. But the mafia can't control if and how your reads come into play by deciding to kill you. It's even WIFOM for them until it goes through, because they don't know how the town will react to it.
this is why i tr'd boo
For that?
For talking game mechanics?
well from that i don't think killing duskfall would be boo's decision, and i also think boo would really wanna talk about sTrAtEgY in a maf chat

Duskfall and Boo were publicly antagonistic towards each other. Sloonei and Boo were also. Nutella and Boo also. Boo is an obvious wolf. Boo as town is not possible.

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am
Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:25 am
boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am @G-Man Jack and Mac are running a divide and conquer gambit. It's playing off of Johann's total distrust of me, your and Wilgy's general not keeping up, FGs regularly going all over the place as she tries to make up her mind, and my ability to generally alienate other town. I'm not really sure how they're fitting in Hyena.

If you trust your gut, (currently) vote for me, along with me and Nanook. We may need to shift the vote over to FG later in the day, bit that's where things currently stand.
In case you get the gun.
Who dies?
TBD. Nanook had a list somewhere, someone in it. I'd like to think Mac and Jack are teammates, but it seems a bit too easy. I think it's probably only actually one of them, and the other is playing the other.

Too easy? What in the actual fuck game are you reading my main mandible? Cuz it sure as fuck ain't dis one.

Eh it's all there. If you really wanna believe that Boo believes that Jack and I can be teammates then I would like you to invest in my canned herring startup. I project 10 million profit in quarter 1.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:29 am Oh yeah, Johann can get the gun too as long as he promises not to shoot himself.

We're just never giving it to Wilgy, Mac or Boo.

Top 10 anime betrayals

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:56 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 2:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:33 pm FG - Sus -1 -1
Hyena - Sus +1 -1 Ugh Fuck you Hyena
Nanook - Cleared
Johann - Cleared
Nutella - Sus
Jack - Cleared
G-man - Sus
Sloonei - Sus
Nutella - Sus
Boo - Seems ok
Wilgy - Null as usual fuck you Wilgy

Lol I can't believe I have the gun this is great.
Lol, thanks Dad.

Run by me why Nanook, Johann, and Jack are clear.
They're not. In fact ... I'm shooting Jack.
Do it bitch. You won’t. You’ll look silly in front of all these people.
Come on, you know that I ended up lynching Wolbre wrongly when he said that to me right?
Maybe you should learn your lesson, then.

Boo says we're teammates

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:53 pm I kinda want to shoot Jack. Does anyone object?
I have no reason to single Jack out as a suspect. He wasn't here when I was here last night. But at least if he gets shot he can preserve his unlynchable claim some more.
I don't like that Jack is acting low key. He's also skating. He also won't get lynched if he's scum. I think he's a good shot. Maybe not the most likely to flip wolf but he's the most likely to flip wolf in a way that destroys the scum team if he is one.

Also I do think he is one. I don't believe half the shit he says. He's just applied an urgent scattery tone to the few posts he's made that makes it look authentic. He cleared Johann off being wrongtown and I never understand people that do that. Johann/Jack feel teamy to me.
He’s also spectating 5 mafia games but who’s counting?

Idk what game you’re reading if you think me taking suicide pact how to meme was some sort of wolf theater.

You say you don’t understand this thing that often happens....so we’re teammates? Did you...look at people giving that type of clear in the past and find it was more often something scum do? Or are you trying to kill what you don’t understand like some sort of X-Man villain?

Boo says we're teammates

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am @G-Man Jack and Mac are running a divide and conquer gambit. It's playing off of Johann's total distrust of me, your and Wilgy's general not keeping up, FGs regularly going all over the place as she tries to make up her mind, and my ability to generally alienate other town. I'm not really sure how they're fitting in Hyena.

If you trust your gut, (currently) vote for me, along with me and Nanook. We may need to shift the vote over to FG later in the day, bit that's where things currently stand.

Lol no I am most definitely not. I just think you're scum. I've even showed my evidence for it. Where's yours buddy?

Boo I had my shot locked in on Jack until 30 seconds before the end of n1. Reread the end of n1 and tell me that Jack and I are faking that. It's not credible. We are the least compatible pair in the game.

Eh someone has to be wrong. I already shot a townie. I'm stuck on Boo with one of G-man and FG. If I'm wrong I'll live. Can't be elite every game.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:21 am
boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:48 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:42 am
boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:38 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:16 am Probably jack, it’s hard to tell though tbh
I don't think it actually matters, they both look mafia. It's like they got drunk in mafia chat together and decided to start incessantly shit-posting. They're bouncing all over the place and most of it is confirmed BS.

The only confusing thing about this to me is I don't see them having the numbers to actually make this work if they're both mafia. They'd have to be assuming some horrible town plays from here on out.

FG has said she'll listen to you and Sloonei, IIRC, for who to shoot. So give it to her if voters on her don't want me to have it, or her voters can move to me and I'll shoot one of them.

Giving it to Jack is a trap, just not a good one. He'd probably shoot me. But that still doesn't matter. They shoot me, I reveal town, they posion Nanook, and at that point I their hope is the town just crumbles? Screw up and give the gun to Mac again and they shoot Wilgy or FG?
If Jack is my partner and gets the gun he shoots me and rides the cred home frankly.

But anyway you're a good boy. I like you.
Jack is way to egotistical for that.
What are you even arguing against? Like you don't want me to get the gun because if it's me and Mac....I won't shoot Mac because I'm too egotistical?

Who the fuck cares? You're not talking strategy. You're not giving reads. You're just being dickish. All game. I don't get it.

It's cuz it's not the real boo. He's not a dick. He's just infected by his role lol.

FG lock clearing G-man but G still considering her is a thing

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