The Syndicate

@NateTheLesser I would like to know how you feel abouts slots other than Dennis, particularly the likes of Falcon, Marmot, Creature and Mightyrunner7.

I'll be back later, I expect receipts.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:53 pm Votecount as of end of day 1

Scotty 8 - (Marmot, dyachei/lawpy, mightyrunner7, SportPonies, Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet)
Creature 5 - (Mayo the Mayo, Kate, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy)
Dennis 3 - (Animal Midwife, Scotty, NateTheLesser)
SportPonies 3 - (Seanzie, miranda920, pyxxy)
Falcon45ca 2 - (Zenge, santygrass)
pyxxy 1 - (genny)
Marmot 1 - (Dennis)

Did not vote 1 - (SARdoghandler)

Notes:

The mafia shooting Animal Midwife on night 1 after Scotty goes over, quite blatantly spews the Dennis wagon. Almost too blatantly. I am very confident there is a strong difference check between Dennis and NateTheLesser at this time.

I personally view Creature as a probable hit. He is not his towny self and has no enthusiasm. He keeps talking about his lack of energy/engagement which I have seen him do as mafia because he genuinely does not enjoy wolfing. I think Creature does need to be resolved to help town make heads or tails of the gamestate. I also don't trust Marmot at all and observed Marmot defend Creature during day 1 in a really questionable way. His reasons for ending up voting Scotty felt like he was trying to reach for justifications to be voting town, if Creature was town he wouldn't need to make said justifications.

Obviously if Creature and Dennis are both mafia, the Scotty wagon is very likely to contain multiple mafia. I'd be particularly interested in those who are more familiar with Scotty coming under fire, especially because after reading his ISO he felt like very basic Scotty, who is an A++ town player especially mid to late game. I would expect the likes of Marmot, Neon and Sloonei to be disinclined from killing Scotty day 1 over Creature when comparing their two isos.

@Sloonei, @Neon, @Marmot why did you end up voting out Scotty over Creature?
Oh shit, Good job, I like this and was about to review here.

Quick mention of something I noticed. There's likely one in Seanzie/Miranda920 as well.

Effectively we are looking at at least 1 in Dennis/Nate, at least 1 in Seanzie/Miranda920, and lastly at least 1 in the Falcon/Zenge/Santy.
Is the 'Scotty wagon is very likely to contain multiple mafia' impacted by the multiple factions in your read at all?

No I am not factoring in multiple factions, and I have Falcon more likely different to Mightyrunner7 than Zedge. Zedge is just town, and in the event Falcon is town I don't think that changes it, if anything it makes it more likely because wolves rarely go hard in the paint to kill a random town the way Zedge would be doing. Why do you think Falcon and Santy contains one?

Explain the Seanzie/Miranda analysis?

Lawpy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:07 pm For now based on my raw impressions

[VOTE: Slooneis] aubergine

Have you read your predecessors ISO? You have the benefit of knowing that it was pure town thought so it would be well advised to at least review it and put some stuck in their reads as Dya is an s-tier town player.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:03 pm cough cough be ready to be DISAPPOINTED heres the thing sloonei said to do

no seriously though i am terrible at like everything iso related

Spoiler: show
marmot - broke the tie which I don't think is scummy tbh. voted creature, and then said they didn't want creature to go over, but never explained their original creature vote before. overall scummy eod still I would vote here again

dyachei (lawpy) - that point about "why vote dennis over pyxxy" was really towny and the vote following is like. basic progression so towny vote

mightyrunner7 - sheeped dyachei which I am only letting slide with a "im new" pass. i am 90% sure you're new, so it's especially difficult for me to tell if you're just a new townie and followed a towny idea you saw, or a new wolf finding a way to hid on the top wagon. but you remind me of my dad trying to play this game as a newbie, trying to be open to show you're town with your very formal wording, like where you say "for this reason," before voting scotty. i'll give you a pass but i'll be watching.

sportponies - errrrm you're dead silly what are you doing here

neon - bad vote, you never actually explained why. you voted scotty because of a joke he made and while you doing that was hilarious it is also unfortunately rather scummy

creature - i actually cannot be forced to give enough shits to find when creature voted scotty and figure out the votes at that moment so im just gonna assume it was a self pres vote because of how creature seems to have irl nonsense getting in the way

sloonei - your vote felt a lil quick, maybe a lil forced, but then you made that huge scrolling banner and all the other nonsense supporting it. idk man this vote was so incredibly formulaic there is nothing exceptional about it, which i guess itself is towny

psv - i didn't know you voted scotty because you spent such little time talking about scotty. feels kinda bad bcuz no real reasoning

By end of day 1 you were being voted by two now dead town, and NateTheLesser. Nate continues to vote you. If you are town and were being voted by three town, I feel like at least one or two of the wolves would have found their way to be voting you by EOD except for in the scenario where the wolves had to throw every spare vote they could at Scotty to ensure Creature survived. Your perspective if town needs to be that there is always a wolf inside of Nate and Creature. Nod if you understand.

I really struggle to understand how anyone who is familiar with both Scotty and Creature can choose to vote Scotty based on their comparative ISOs from day 1. Scotty wasn't like overwhelmingly towny enough to townread but he wasn't wolfy enough to fall below the line Creature was at by both meta and level1. If the question was ever posed of having to choose between them and someone chose Creature, that person is very likely just a wolf teammate of Creature's imo.

The suckiest part of this is that Scotty is one of the best mid-late game town we have on this site and rarely do the wolves actually shoot him so he's a massive weapon for town if you can find him. It's a pretty shitty situation and I'm very very sus of Marmot especially for this.

@santygrass I would appreciate succinct but explanatory thoughts on the below slots please

Creature
Dennis
Falcon420ca
genny
Marmot
miranda920
SARdoghandler

I would like to encourage the towns focus right now be into solving the below slots exclusively.

Creature
Marmot
Falcon/MR7
Dennis/Nate

Votecount as of end of day 1

Scotty 8 - (Marmot, dyachei/lawpy, mightyrunner7, SportPonies, Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet)
Creature 5 - (Mayo the Mayo, Kate, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy)
Dennis 3 - (Animal Midwife, Scotty, NateTheLesser)
SportPonies 3 - (Seanzie, miranda920, pyxxy)
Falcon45ca 2 - (Zenge, santygrass)
pyxxy 1 - (genny)
Marmot 1 - (Dennis)

Did not vote 1 - (SARdoghandler)

Notes:

The mafia shooting Animal Midwife on night 1 after Scotty goes over, quite blatantly spews the Dennis wagon. Almost too blatantly. I am very confident there is a strong difference check between Dennis and NateTheLesser at this time.

I personally view Creature as a probable hit. He is not his towny self and has no enthusiasm. He keeps talking about his lack of energy/engagement which I have seen him do as mafia because he genuinely does not enjoy wolfing. I think Creature does need to be resolved to help town make heads or tails of the gamestate. I also don't trust Marmot at all and observed Marmot defend Creature during day 1 in a really questionable way. His reasons for ending up voting Scotty felt like he was trying to reach for justifications to be voting town, if Creature was town he wouldn't need to make said justifications.

Obviously if Creature and Dennis are both mafia, the Scotty wagon is very likely to contain multiple mafia. I'd be particularly interested in those who are more familiar with Scotty coming under fire, especially because after reading his ISO he felt like very basic Scotty, who is an A++ town player especially mid to late game. I would expect the likes of Marmot, Neon and Sloonei to be disinclined from killing Scotty day 1 over Creature when comparing their two isos.

@Sloonei, @Neon, @Marmot why did you end up voting out Scotty over Creature?

Votecount as at this post

falcon45ca 3 - (mightyrunner7, potentialsheltervet, Zenge)

Creature 2 - (santygrass, falcon45ca)
Dennis 2 - (Neon, NateTheLesser)
NateTheLesser 2 - (Marmot, MacDougall)

Marmot 1 - (sloonei)
santygrass 1 - (creature)
SARdoghandler 1 - (Seanzie)

DrWilgy 0
dyachei/lawpy 0
genny 0
Kate/Mac 0
Mayo the Mayo 0
mightyrunner7 0
miranda920 0
Neon 0
potentialsheltervet 0
Seanzie 0
S~V~S 0
Sloonei 0
Zenge 0

Sleep / No Elimination 0

Not voting (@SARdoghandler, @Dennis, @santygrass, @DrWilgy, @Lawpy, @genny, @Mayo the Mayo, @miranda920, @S~V~S)

Notes: The Falcon wagon quickly got to 3 and has not moved any further. There is probably 1 wolf between the 4 (inclusive of Falcon) based on wagonomics, rarely 0. Zenge and PSV feel quite town just on solving energy, so in my view there is a likely wolf between Falcon and Mightyrunner7.

I am not a fan of the amount of people presently not voting. We need to pressure wolves, so if you are town in there, please start voting. If you don't have any good ideas of who to vote for, start communicating with your top town and just work with them. It's okay to be wrong. It's not okay to not try.

DrWilgy has been representing a "he's an obvious town" read on Falcon since day 1 but seems untroubled by the pressure Falcon is under. I don't like this.

genny wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:57 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:02 pm I ... kinda think the wolves are majority syndicators for some reason.

Like... the two night kills being SDNers feels like it's supposed to look like kills TSers don't make.

The game is being led by the collar by SDNers. Importantly I'm finding like none of the Syndicators all that towny.
Why do you say two night kills here?
i found this weird too. like tmi?

This is genny's only post on day 2. Is this person just a struggleposter when they rand mafia?

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:19 pm Half baked readlist

Town : Neon, Sloonei, Mac, Zenge
Townlean : Lawpy, SVS , Seanzie , Falcon
Null : Mighty , Mayo, Wilg, Nate , Miranda, genny
Scumlean : SAR , Dennis , Creature

Quite interested in your bolded reads.

genny wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:57 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:02 pm I ... kinda think the wolves are majority syndicators for some reason.

Like... the two night kills being SDNers feels like it's supposed to look like kills TSers don't make.

The game is being led by the collar by SDNers. Importantly I'm finding like none of the Syndicators all that towny.
Why do you say two night kills here?
i found this weird too. like tmi?

Really?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:53 pm SARdog, mighty, and Mayo are the three SDNers I feel I have the least grasp on relative to their contributions. I know that they've all been here, but I don't have a clear handle on what any of them have done. mighty's posting curse is not helping this matter today, unfortunately.

I don't think Mightyrunner was towny at all on day 1 and am curious why Nega Lumi is townreading them.

What do you think of Marmot and Seanzie?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:29 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:17 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:02 pm I ... kinda think the wolves are majority syndicators for some reason.

Like... the two night kills being SDNers feels like it's supposed to look like kills TSers don't make.

The game is being led by the collar by SDNers. Importantly I'm finding like none of the Syndicators all that towny.
Why do you say two night kills here?
It seems very obvious Pyxxy was vigged and the other two were mafia kills. AM was solving really well and the other one was a top poster. Pyxxy was heavily sussed.
I was just surprised by the confidence with which you declared this when most people have been referring to the three kills.
Given I only came in day 2 the first thing I looked at were the kills and the players who died. It seems highly unlikely town shoots Sporty and AM and mafia shoots Pyxxy. Unless we are playing multiball which I don't have any reason to assume. So in terms of assessing the gamestate of NKs I'm looking at Sporty and AM as the kill choices this team has made.
The opening post states there are more than just mafia and town. Idk what that typically means on this site

Yeah probably means there are 3ps. I'd guess at least a small 3p faction. Whether they have KP or not is anyone's guess.

I still think Pyxxy is likely a town shot and the other two aren't.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:27 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:09 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:04 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:03 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:53 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:45 pm I wish that Zenge and Nega Lumi were voting for an SDN player and not a syndicate miselim bait so I could just sheep them.
Sometimes sketchy players also rand scum tho.
How do you feel about my SDN reads list? I'm having trouble getting your reads outside of falcon and maybe Sloonei
These are my general feels on everyone
Spoiler: show
Creature -Probably Town
Dennis -Scum side of neutral
DrWilgy -Neutral
@dyachei/Lawper -Village
falcon45ca - Must be destroyed
genny -not a clue
Kate/Mac- village side of neutral
Marmot - neutral
Mayo the Mayo- scum side of neutral
mightyrunner7 - village
miranda920 - scum side of neutral
NateTheLesser - scummy
Neon - village side of neutral
potentialsheltervet - village
S~V~S -neutral
santygrass - probably town
SARdoghandler -probably town
Seanzie - no idea. Could go either way.
Sloonei -not feeling good about this

Really? Tell me more about Nate.
I just don’t feel great about Nate’s contributions so far. I’m not ready to vote there per se. (I’m not moving my vote regardless) but on the whole I haven’t felt great about him this game.

The counter argument is that I’ve felt not great about village Nate before too so it’s not like he’s lock scum.
Given Dennis appears to be his normal town self I think that a mafia team who choose to kill Animal Midwife n1, in a world where Dennis is town, always do so with the awareness that it makes Dennis look bad and intent to push him off it. I think Nate did that and I think his explanations to me were quite bad. Nothing he justified the vote with were even scummy.

@Dennis what are your thoughts on @NateTheLesser pushing you?

Of course Dennis might just be mafia.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:17 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:02 pm I ... kinda think the wolves are majority syndicators for some reason.

Like... the two night kills being SDNers feels like it's supposed to look like kills TSers don't make.

The game is being led by the collar by SDNers. Importantly I'm finding like none of the Syndicators all that towny.
Why do you say two night kills here?
It seems very obvious Pyxxy was vigged and the other two were mafia kills. AM was solving really well and the other one was a top poster. Pyxxy was heavily sussed.
I was just surprised by the confidence with which you declared this when most people have been referring to the three kills.

Given I only came in day 2 the first thing I looked at were the kills and the players who died. It seems highly unlikely town shoots Sporty and AM and mafia shoots Pyxxy. Unless we are playing multiball which I don't have any reason to assume. So in terms of assessing the gamestate of NKs I'm looking at Sporty and AM as the kill choices this team has made.

Zenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:09 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:04 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:03 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:53 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:45 pm I wish that Zenge and Nega Lumi were voting for an SDN player and not a syndicate miselim bait so I could just sheep them.
Sometimes sketchy players also rand scum tho.
How do you feel about my SDN reads list? I'm having trouble getting your reads outside of falcon and maybe Sloonei
These are my general feels on everyone
Spoiler: show
Creature -Probably Town
Dennis -Scum side of neutral
DrWilgy -Neutral
@dyachei/Lawper -Village
falcon45ca - Must be destroyed
genny -not a clue
Kate/Mac- village side of neutral
Marmot - neutral
Mayo the Mayo- scum side of neutral
mightyrunner7 - village
miranda920 - scum side of neutral
NateTheLesser - scummy
Neon - village side of neutral
potentialsheltervet - village
S~V~S -neutral
santygrass - probably town
SARdoghandler -probably town
Seanzie - no idea. Could go either way.
Sloonei -not feeling good about this

Really? Tell me more about Nate.
I just don’t feel great about Nate’s contributions so far. I’m not ready to vote there per se. (I’m not moving my vote regardless) but on the whole I haven’t felt great about him this game.

The counter argument is that I’ve felt not great about village Nate before too so it’s not like he’s lock scum.

Given Dennis appears to be his normal town self I think that a mafia team who choose to kill Animal Midwife n1, in a world where Dennis is town, always do so with the awareness that it makes Dennis look bad and intent to push him off it. I think Nate did that and I think his explanations to me were quite bad. Nothing he justified the vote with were even scummy.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:02 pm I ... kinda think the wolves are majority syndicators for some reason.

Like... the two night kills being SDNers feels like it's supposed to look like kills TSers don't make.

The game is being led by the collar by SDNers. Importantly I'm finding like none of the Syndicators all that towny.
Why do you say two night kills here?

Is this really a point of contention? It feels kinda weird you're even questioning it.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:02 pm I ... kinda think the wolves are majority syndicators for some reason.

Like... the two night kills being SDNers feels like it's supposed to look like kills TSers don't make.

The game is being led by the collar by SDNers. Importantly I'm finding like none of the Syndicators all that towny.
Why do you say two night kills here?

It seems very obvious Pyxxy was vigged and the other two were mafia kills. AM was solving really well and the other one was a top poster. Pyxxy was heavily sussed.

The thing is that Dennis and Falcon are probably the two syndicators that are most in their town meta. Sloonei also seems okay. The rest are off to me. Like all of the rest.

I ... kinda think the wolves are majority syndicators for some reason.

Like... the two night kills being SDNers feels like it's supposed to look like kills TSers don't make.

The game is being led by the collar by SDNers. Importantly I'm finding like none of the Syndicators all that towny.

I wish that Zenge and Nega Lumi were voting for an SDN player and not a syndicate miselim bait so I could just sheep them.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:56 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:08 pm Idk how NKA is viewed here but Sporty wasn't really being widely TR'd outside of dya and I think mayo at the point when she died. She was the third wagon
My level-0 guess is that there is some sort of spam vig, and Sporty died because she had the most posts. I don't think she was strongly scumread either.

Perhaps true.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:07 pm I'm struggling to find confident town honestly. Can ppl talk to me about their townreads? I need to find some.
Zenge and I had a big long dialogue yesterday centering around falcon that left me feeling like Zenge is town.

I remember feeling like another SDN player did something that gave me strong town vibes, but I forget who it was.

Aight well.

I kinda think you're town so it's a start.

This angry dude with Lumi's avatar is kinda townie too.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:08 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:47 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:27 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:58 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:56 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:50 pm

Nahhhh. Zenge is lock town, or at least lock not AM's killer. He's never participating in that NK imo.
Why not
Because recently, NKing AM on SDN is... I don't want to phrase it poorly but it's being seen as something of a dick move. She gets killed early all the fucking time and she's expressed frustration with it.
Zenge wouldn't stand for being part of a team that kills her night one. No chance, no way. It's just not happening.
Why do you assume AM was the nk to clear someone?

I see 3 people dead
I specifically stated Zenge is clear from being the faction that killed her, whoever that was.
reeeeally though? this is a dangerous read.
Then don't use that as justification for your Zenge read. I'll do what I please.

Okay no need to be hostile.

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:23 pmGod I'm so lost

Explain your mindset to me plz.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:47 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:27 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:58 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:56 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:50 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:40 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:15 pm

I think if Falcon flips the way I expect other people will need to answer for their crimes.
tbqh I'd be more down for this if the way you were pushing it didn't feel so off.

I know what you think of his initial push on you and those early interactions. Talk to me about the 2nd half of the day and EOD. How has your read developed?
Nahhhh. Zenge is lock town, or at least lock not AM's killer. He's never participating in that NK imo.
Why not
Because recently, NKing AM on SDN is... I don't want to phrase it poorly but it's being seen as something of a dick move. She gets killed early all the fucking time and she's expressed frustration with it.
Zenge wouldn't stand for being part of a team that kills her night one. No chance, no way. It's just not happening.
Why do you assume AM was the nk to clear someone?

I see 3 people dead
I specifically stated Zenge is clear from being the faction that killed her, whoever that was.

reeeeally though? this is a dangerous read.

I'm struggling to find confident town honestly. Can ppl talk to me about their townreads? I need to find some.

Like...

Has townreads he hasn't done much with on Zedge, Falcon and a dead town. What is it that he is meant to have done with those reads that he didn't do?

Gets annoyed about being scumread. Is this something that is wolf alignment indicative in your experience?

Townread someone pushing him and then elaborating when asked is wolfy?

Defending an unflipped Creature not by name is wolfy? Or is it that he didn't want to vote out a low poster? Do you have Creature as a wolf? Or does Creatures alignment not matter?

Casting a vote on Marmot after being pushed to make a vote is wolfy? Dennis literally didn't cast a vote 3 times in the Hotdog fingers game. It's not wolfy for him to not vote Im afraid. He seems to compulsively not vote. @Dennis remedy this when you are town please. Voting is necessary for town to win.

How are any of those things scummy?

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:18 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:02 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:49 am
Zenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:06 am I feel like there's a post restriction here.
There's not a post restrictor, unless it's something an inventor cooked up.
It has now been 43 minutes since I voted you and dropped a case. Are you planning to continue ignoring it?
I'm not lazily sheeping AM, I agreed with AM. Dennis was one of my earliest scum leans yesterday. And people that were more familiar with him like Scotty, Neon, and (I think?) Seanzie also thought he was off, which made me think I wasn't just mis-reading his play style.

How would you describe his wolf game compared to here?

I don't have a great bead on exactly the difference between his wolf and town games but I know that people read him as wolfy constantly when he's town. His mother Kate was my predecessor slot and she didn't push him and has a pretty good grasp on him. He got miselimmed in the game that just ended on this forum largely from me and I see his play here being quite like there.

If you are reading Dennis off a sheep of others it's a dangerous slot to be doing that to because he's read so wolfy off top that before you know it he'd miselimmed as town from sheep on top of sheep.

If you have your own good reasons I'd like to hear them.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:49 am
Zenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:06 am I feel like there's a post restriction here.
There's not a post restrictor, unless it's something an inventor cooked up.

It has now been 43 minutes since I voted you and dropped a case. Are you planning to continue ignoring it?

Miranda
Mightyrunner
Santy

There is wolf and or wolves in this list and only 1 has a single vote.

Miranda is very level 1 wolfy and spent day 1 basically in defense mode whose only push was a very bizarre late day vote on a subsequently dead town.

Mightyrunner reads like they are drafting every post in a Google doc and rewriting them 55 times before submitting. They are not natural.

Santy is just openwolfing and townreading Neon off nothing to open the game is not a read a town familiar with Neon makes. It is a read a wolf makes to disarm them.

The rest of the low posters were null to me. These three and Wilgy all seem wolfy.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:39 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:37 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:34 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:32 pm @DrWilgy Hi
Why TR falcon?
Falcon is very easy to tell as town. Is he solving instead of laying low? That's T Falcon.

Also based on how Meta Mafia went (game that just ended) I can believe the fire in his belly being heavily town indicative.
That's just not what others have said about his meta so this is curious.
The only time I've been wrong on Falcon was due to being too distracted by his teammate and by not being able to make it to them and then once when I deliberately messed with him to the point of obscuring my own read.

I had in my solve that game that Falcon was a likely possibility, really one of two options. We just needed to yeet the teammate first. That never happens and I was yeeted in lylo instead.

The Falcon we see here is T Falcon.

Bro you were wrong about him in the game you were literally just playing. I understand you can't talk about ongoing games which it was at the time but you are straight up lying in this post instead of talking around it.

I do want to talk about Falcon. 3 votes on him, all from those unfamiliar with him ... is at a glance not filling me with much confidence. I iso'd him however and found many of his pushes to be making a big deal out of largely NAI stuff. At first I thought Zedge was wolfy for pushing Falcon but in reality ... I don't actually think Falcon is towny.

I understand a lot of those familiar with Falcon are likely to see 100+ posts on a d1 and not actually look into him but I didn't really like any of his pushes.

That being said... why the 3 Falcon voters are going ahead full steam pushing someone that nobody familiar with him is pushing also has me somewhat perplexed.

Notwithstanding the fact that the n1 kills seem largely to have come from SDN wolves. I haven't liked the content of all three of those voting Falcon.

One giant hedge to say... I kinda think Falcon is sus but I am likely the only one with a good reason so I'm probably wrong?

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:28 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:13 pmWhy Dennis?
AM was pretty locked in there. And on re-read a lot of his takes were surface-level town reads (tossing a v/v at Zenge/falcon, town reading AM for being too serious). In the case of the AM read it seemed like it could have been a town read with the intention of getting her to look somewhere else. AM can come off pretty scummy if you're the target of one of her tunnels, and I didn't really see the uncertainty about her motives that I'd expect.

[VOTE: NateTheLesser] aubergine

I reread AMs iso and AM was a big time ball of town solving energy but focused hard on slots she was unfamiliar with such as Seanzie, Pyxxy and Dennis and Pyxxy has already flipped town. I don't think Dennis or Seanzie were being wolfy on meta either. So I think AM was mostly killed for just being super solvy and to remove them from the game. If they were right on any of their pushes it will be Miranda or mightyrunner imo.

Decision is made on that proviso with "and we can push Dennis off it" so Nate goes ahead and does so.

I was specifically looking for the first Dennis pusher here and for them to be lazily sheeping AM.

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:03 pm pyxxy targeted me

Odd given Pyxxy died with a scumread on you.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:34 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:32 pm @DrWilgy Hi
Why TR falcon?
Falcon is very easy to tell as town. Is he solving instead of laying low? That's T Falcon.

Also based on how Meta Mafia went (game that just ended) I can believe the fire in his belly being heavily town indicative.

What is different from him in this game compared to the Hotdog Fingers game?

Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:23 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:00 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:58 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:57 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:55 pm You really think I forget about a game this hard when a partner would be leading huh

Don't make me say the words again.

Quick GTH what is your read on Creature
GTH wolf

But also I don't won't to chop him today for :hand_wave: irl stuff or something
[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
I mean, sure... you could vote there. It's...an option.

But can I interest you in a Falcon today?

Why?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:00 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:58 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:57 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:55 pm You really think I forget about a game this hard when a partner would be leading huh

Don't make me say the words again.

Quick GTH what is your read on Creature
GTH wolf

But also I don't won't to chop him today for :hand_wave: irl stuff or something

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:07 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:06 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:04 pm I’ll start the day with a vote on [VOTE: creature] aubergine. I have nothing nee to report. Creature was just the second option at the end of the day yesterday.
Creature was the second option at the end of the day yesterday, yes. You aren't interested in looking at anyone else given Scotty flipped town and we have AM, Sporty, pyxxy all confirmed town too?
How do we have three confirmed town on day 2?
Because they died and flipped town

Ah that's the worst possible answer.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:06 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:04 pm I’ll start the day with a vote on [VOTE: creature] aubergine. I have nothing nee to report. Creature was just the second option at the end of the day yesterday.
Creature was the second option at the end of the day yesterday, yes. You aren't interested in looking at anyone else given Scotty flipped town and we have AM, Sporty, pyxxy all confirmed town too?

How do we have three confirmed town on day 2?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:04 pm I’ll start the day with a vote on [VOTE: creature] aubergine. I have nothing nee to report. Creature was just the second option at the end of the day yesterday.

How is that scummy?

Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:55 pm Welcome @MacDougall

Hi fren

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:03 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm I have come to clean ze pool
Whose pool? Why is it dirty?

No comment.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:05 pm I think santy's entrance last EOD was pretty bad

Elaborate?

I have come to clean ze pool

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