The Syndicate

Game is worryingly quiet tbh. If we have a mid game lull and the people not posting are mostly town this will go pear shaped pretty quick.

@S~V~S SBPC equals sort by post count.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:10 am i guess its not impossible for marmot to be main pack wolf and be vigged and janitoredd by another main pack wolf

but this is a really bad play from the mafia

but mafia sometimes makes bad plays. i dunno lol

If the main mafia pack poisoned me and factional killed Marmot and janitored it would that be so strange?

He had Falcon in his scumreads and was pretty content with offing Creature. Maybe Marmot and I were just strictly threatening them more than others and they chose to kill him specifically BECAUSE they could janitor it and keep people presuming he was mafia instead of evaluating in town Marmot worlds or letting him have another day.

Hell maybe they rolecopped him n1 and found out he was some hectic role too.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:33 am antidote carrier - may cure poison

poisoner - can deliver a delayed kill

the second one is what killed zedge and what is trying to kill mac

if anyone is poison healer please heal mac

Yeah this is super legit a thing that's happening so please do yeah.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:56 am @MacDougall

Mac Said
SVS - Reserved townlean. They look very clean for this whole thing... almost too clean. I dunno. Town until further notice but I have my worries.
There's no pleasing you for me, lol. "Almost too clean"

That's Ok. A suspicion a day keeps the NK away.

I kinda agree re Sloonei, I thought him trying to cool down that situation was maybe a bit moddish of him at the time. It felt like he was trying to cool down the thread. But I had some bubbles about him early; it almost seemed like was doing some day zero post padding along with Dennis, although Dennis was much more obvs.

I mean everyone was lolcatting a bit, but Dennis made like 12 posts in a row. So I'm rereading Dennis. with flips in mind.

You need to just ignore me when I do this honestly. Going back and forth on players constantly is just a thing I do no matter what.

When you consider that both Falcon and Creature sort of dropped off and barely tried d2.

I'm wondering whether SBPC just wins this game lol.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:21 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:41 pm I am removing Santygrass from my towncore also.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:42 pm @Mayo the Mayo my towncore is tiny, it's literally just you right now. So uh, welcome to the brotherhood. Outline your issues with Lawpy so we can get aligned on that and then move on to the next slot to solve.

Not wanting to be ONGussy , but I am for sure less certain now that Mac is town.

Like, nnexplaines removal of a townread (less willing to form a town block) , to then a pockety post to mayo . Gives me the worries.

I'll mull it over.

Mayo is town tho. Lawpy sussing there is concerning.

Now, to sleep
I think Mac is just blindingly town honestly.

Have you ever not lock townread me? Like in any game ever?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:55 am honestly neon hard claiming without pressure put on her is towny af @MacDougall

she wont be able to be very invested in this game due to other obligations, so she just wanted to not be a liability

agreed

Tutuu these confident townreads you're making don't appear to factor in the argument these people can be genuinely hunting for mafia and not be town.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:06 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:01 am Tutuu can you use your anime girl powers to soulread Neon for me.
town

she kept making depressive emo posts in wolf chat in my game. she hated playing it. she said she didnt want to rand mafia for another 6 months

she felt relieved/relaxed, to me, in her fluff posts d0 here

i also think i have a secret towntell on her that i dont think she exhibited in my game, but i think she exhibited it in all of her town games that ive seen. but i could be wrong. im yet to face her wolf as a player with no TMI so this isnt concrete yet. its an experimental weapon in alpha stages of prototyping

SVs read?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:02 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:00 am I don't think Miranda and MR7 are wolves tbh I just brought them up to make sure you had thought about them genuinely. I think you did so that's good.

Miranda is being shielded by SAR as well which I think is a good look for both of them. I think Miranda is someone a wolf SAR would be pushing here as an easy miselim and probably wouldn't be shielding if w/w cuz the rest of the SDNers would be skeptical.
alright, not sure if i buy into townreading SAR for this, but i buy into townreading miranda more due to this

I'm mostly giving SAR points for the Falcon vote and reasoning.

Tutuu can you use your anime girl powers to soulread Neon for me.

I don't think Miranda and MR7 are wolves tbh I just brought them up to make sure you had thought about them genuinely. I think you did so that's good.

Miranda is being shielded by SAR as well which I think is a good look for both of them. I think Miranda is someone a wolf SAR would be pushing here as an easy miselim and probably wouldn't be shielding if w/w cuz the rest of the SDNers would be skeptical.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:27 am lawpy, genny, nate, santy, SAR

any reason at all to townread these slots?

only thing i come up with is nate putting in a lot of effort and santy having good tone. my reason for townreading lawpy was tunneling sloonei in a *hold my hands over my ears lalalalala* way

Lawpy has like ... sounded sincere and dya wasn't like wolfy sounding. Yay.

genny like ... null.

Nate is solvy and defensive in a towny way. Didn't seem to know Creature had a post restrictor role.

Creature tried to push Santy when he wasn't around d1.

SAR kinda buried Falcon d2 in a non partnery way. Just sheeping Zenge. Didn't feel teammy at all.

I think there's a pretty good chance this is a list you wrote in wolfchat and labelled "potential miselims". Why is Miranda and MR7 not in your list here?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:46 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:33 am I'll also point out this VC from earlier in D1:

miranda - 4 (Sporty, Wilgy/tutuu, santy, Scotty)
Dennis - 2 (AM, Neon)
Nate - 2 (falcon, Creature)
Zenge - 1 (Nate)
AM - 1 (Seanzie)
falcon - 1 (Zenge)
Sporty - 1 (pyxxy)
Marmot - 1 (Sloonei)
what is your conclusion from it?

Hes trying to highlight that two wolves voted him. Defending himself from me.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:31 am also

since jay is this kumbayah diplomat gandhi martin luther king jr

i bet he rigged the rand in the sense of

he wanted an equal amount of SDNers and Syndicators to be mafia

coz jay is all about the E Q U A L I T Y this game judging from evertything im seeing

not actually sure how confident i am in this. probably not the best design principle coz it outs a lot of alignments late-game if people figure it out

so maybe not, maybe there can be a few more people wolf from one community than the other

but thats just my soul read on jay

jay is 100% the type of guy to do that in a game he's co-designing

I don't think a Jay game would have anything remotely resembling stacking the teams honestly.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:27 am lawpy, genny, nate, santy, SAR

any reason at all to townread these slots?

only thing i come up with is nate putting in a lot of effort and santy having good tone. my reason for townreading lawpy was tunneling sloonei in a *hold my hands over my ears lalalalala* way

I came out of Creature's ISO with Santy spewed town. I have since lost faith in that read lol.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:23 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:19 am i think i know why sean dipped from the game and it makes him town
he's not the bestest of friends with mac

but its also not impossible he was just busy. we'll see

Doubt that's the reason. He directly interacted with me in a normal way after I subbed in. And I'd expect if it was for that reason he'd have subbed out entirely.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:49 am
Zenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:06 am I feel like there's a post restriction here.
There's not a post restrictor, unless it's something an inventor cooked up.

This actually feels like a genuine slip. I believe he didn't know Creature had the role. But I also want to know why you dismissed the idea completely @NateTheLesser?

I have

Miranda as diff to Seanzie AND Santy making Miranda a mathematically likely wolf

Dennis as diff to Nate and Marmot so also mathematically likely.

Neon/Sloonei to likely have at least 1 wolf due to planting on Scotty all throughout EOD1.

Nate/Lawpy/Marmot to likely have at least 1 wolf die to being critical late voters responsible for Scotty going over and Creature living.

I am also experiencing The Fear™ over Santy/SVS and Tutuu. Santy moreso of the normal "something off" variety and the other two are striking me as non Werecreature faction members.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:53 pm Votecount as of end of day 1

Scotty 8 - (Marmot, dyachei/lawpy, mightyrunner7, SportPonies, Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet)
Creature 5 - (Mayo the Mayo, Kate, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy)
Dennis 3 - (Animal Midwife, Scotty, NateTheLesser)
SportPonies 3 - (Seanzie, miranda920, pyxxy)
Falcon45ca 2 - (Zenge, santygrass)
pyxxy 1 - (genny)
Marmot 1 - (Dennis)

Did not vote 1 - (SARdoghandler)

Notes:

The mafia shooting Animal Midwife on night 1 after Scotty goes over, quite blatantly spews the Dennis wagon. Almost too blatantly. I am very confident there is a strong difference check between Dennis and NateTheLesser at this time.

I personally view Creature as a probable hit. He is not his towny self and has no enthusiasm. He keeps talking about his lack of energy/engagement which I have seen him do as mafia because he genuinely does not enjoy wolfing. I think Creature does need to be resolved to help town make heads or tails of the gamestate. I also don't trust Marmot at all and observed Marmot defend Creature during day 1 in a really questionable way. His reasons for ending up voting Scotty felt like he was trying to reach for justifications to be voting town, if Creature was town he wouldn't need to make said justifications.

Obviously if Creature and Dennis are both mafia, the Scotty wagon is very likely to contain multiple mafia. I'd be particularly interested in those who are more familiar with Scotty coming under fire, especially because after reading his ISO he felt like very basic Scotty, who is an A++ town player especially mid to late game. I would expect the likes of Marmot, Neon and Sloonei to be disinclined from killing Scotty day 1 over Creature when comparing their two isos.

@Sloonei, @Neon, @Marmot why did you end up voting out Scotty over Creature?
There is still likely to be one between Dennis and Nate. Interestingly we now have confirmation that Creature had at least one wolf bussing. Which is a very strange thing for Falcon to be doing. Perhaps Falcon did this because he was also being tunneled by Zenge and figured he wasn't going to go deep and figured that forcing a dicho out of him and Creature was sound. That's reasonable enough to assume, to suggest that the extent of the bussing may have ended there.

mightyrunner7 was insanified by Creature on night 1. It's quite wifom, but I will give it a very minor point in their favour simply because the wifom leads you to "just put it on a town because people will read it as wifom anyway so there's not much value in putting it on a wolf" is a true enough statement. Particularly when MR7 is already kinda likely to be town.

Given I think Seanzie is pretty much never with Falcon, I think that Miranda is very likely a hit for their Ponies vote.

It is important to keep coming back to this VC throughout the game because if the Scotty wagon ends up not having more than two wolves on it, the wagonomics outside there becomes more significant. Things like my statement above about Miranda take on less significance of the mafia actually really did vote Scotty in a large volume to save Creature as it makes pure wagons on town slightly more likely.

Wow we have resolved every d1 wagon except Dennis. The only other significant wagon during the day was Miranda.

Honestly I think we should just kill Dennis and Miranda asap and completely solve d1 and go from there.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:55 am @MacDougall Which is more likely?

A) Wolf Sloonei went out of his way to hard-defend two teammates on Day 1, one of which was superslanky Creature

OR

B) Town Slooonei misread Scotty

Mmm. B.

Do a Neon dive pretty please.

Ohhhhh.

I totally am dying at EOD like Zenge did yo.

I got a message in the night that was basically you hear something but you don't move because you feel warm and safe all of a sudden.

I'm dying yo. That's also a Vampire flavour imo. I reckon 3p are who hit me and they're Vamps, and that's how Zenge also died.

[VOTE: Lawpy] aubergine I'm also gonna let the game breathe for a while.

Why did you move your vote off Creature and onto someone who was never getting wagoned anyway? All you said was "not feeling Creature"? That seems like a bad reason to unvote a wolf to vote a vanity wagon Nate.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:41 pm Scotty doesn't need my vote is quite clearly "Creature is safe so I don't need to vote Scotty" made manifest into words imo.
I'm not that dumb.

I was giving Creature a break because my other experience with him was as low-posting town who got suspected for it, and I was fine with the Scotty wagon. If I were a partner I could have stayed on Creature for cred since it didn't look like he was going over.

When you cast the vote the wagons were 8 to 6 Scotty over Creature and Scotty was offwagon and in the thread.

So no, if you were a partner and wanted Creature to live you couldn't have.

Your vote putting 3 between them actually prevented Scotty from self preserving.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:41 pm Scotty doesn't need my vote is quite clearly "Creature is safe so I don't need to vote Scotty" made manifest into words imo.
I'm not that dumb.

I was giving Creature a break because my other experience with him was as low-posting town who got suspected for it, and I was fine with the Scotty wagon. If I were a partner I could have stayed on Creature for cred since it didn't look like he was going over.

I didn't even notice you moved OFF Creature. That makes it so much worse. Your vote is arguably the most decisive one cast in terms of Creature living and Scotty dying.

@Mayo the Mayo my towncore is tiny, it's literally just you right now. So uh, welcome to the brotherhood. Outline your issues with Lawpy so we can get aligned on that and then move on to the next slot to solve.

I am removing Santygrass from my towncore also.

Scotty doesn't need my vote is quite clearly "Creature is safe so I don't need to vote Scotty" made manifest into words imo.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:37 pm
VC 3 hours before EOD1.

Creature - 4 votes
Voters: Mayo the Mayo, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy
Scotty - 4 votes
Voters: Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet
SportPonies - 3 votes
Voters: pyxxy, Seanzie, miranda920
Dennis - 2 votes
Voters: Animal Midwife, Scotty
miranda920 - 2 votes
Voters: santygrass, SportPonies
falcon45ca - 1 votes
Voters: Zenge
Marmot - 1 votes
Voters: Dennis
pyxxy - 1 votes
Voters: genny
Zenge - 1 votes
Voters: NateTheLesser

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:26 pm Votecount as of end of day 1

Scotty 8 - (Marmot, dyachei/lawpy, mightyrunner7, SportPonies, Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet)
Creature 5 - (Mayo the Mayo, Kate, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy)
Dennis 3 - (Animal Midwife, Scotty, NateTheLesser)
SportPonies 3 - (Seanzie, miranda920, pyxxy)
Falcon45ca 2 - (Zenge, santygrass)
pyxxy 1 - (genny)
Marmot 1 - (Dennis)

Did not vote 1 - (SARdoghandler)

Notes:

The mafia shooting Animal Midwife on night 1 after Scotty goes over, quite blatantly spews the Dennis wagon. Almost too blatantly. I am very confident there is a strong difference check between Dennis and NateTheLesser at this time.

I personally view Creature as a probable hit. He is not his towny self and has no enthusiasm. He keeps talking about his lack of energy/engagement which I have seen him do as mafia because he genuinely does not enjoy wolfing. I think Creature does need to be resolved to help town make heads or tails of the gamestate. I also don't trust Marmot at all and observed Marmot defend Creature during day 1 in a really questionable way. His reasons for ending up voting Scotty felt like he was trying to reach for justifications to be voting town, if Creature was town he wouldn't need to make said justifications.

Obviously if Creature and Dennis are both mafia, the Scotty wagon is very likely to contain multiple mafia. I'd be particularly interested in those who are more familiar with Scotty coming under fire, especially because after reading his ISO he felt like very basic Scotty, who is an A++ town player especially mid to late game. I would expect the likes of Marmot, Neon and Sloonei to be disinclined from killing Scotty day 1 over Creature when comparing their two isos.

@Sloonei, @Neon, @Marmot why did you end up voting out Scotty over Creature?

So Neon and Sloonei voted Scotty more than 3 hours before EOD and never moved their votes. Feels very much like "we can't move cuz we need the Scotty wagon to stay strong" to me.

Marmot (dead ?), dya, MR7 and Ponies (dead town) are the joiners. Such a shame we don't have marmot's alignment. If he's mafia it makes the remainder slightly less likely to be. If he's town it makes them more.

Would be very surprised to find Neon and Sloonei are t/t. They are possibly w/w. MR7... intrigues me. I will be watching them with interest today.

Creature wagon barely changed either, with just one more voter joining it inside the final 3 hours, which was my slot. Gj Kate, you tried lol. Ironically it seems as though Falcon's vote on Creature is what persuaded Kate to vote Creature.

Nate moved from Zenge to Dennis. Interested in the timing of that because if the Scotty wagon was already safe then it can be a wolf looking for a safe place to vote outside the wagons and wow would you look at that.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:36 pm Not really feeling Creature but Scotty doesn't really need my vote atp.. mm..

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:40 pm Do this for now

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Nate's wolf equity has just gone through the roof.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:19 pm Counterpoint: Creature is exactly the kind of teammate that werefolk would be inclined to bus.

Not really a counterpoint. Wilgy bussing is not what I am ruling out. Wilgy asking Falcon for someone to vote and then Falcon telling him to vote out Creature on the other hand, is. Particularly because Wilgy was also locktown reading Falcon, and continued to hard shield Falcon right up until subbing out. It is quite obvious that Falcon was mindful that he had Wilgy pocketed and wanted to keep him there. Putting him onto Creature is going to turn Wilgy into a ravenous Falcon defender until endgame once Creature flips.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:53 pm Votecount as of end of day 1

Scotty 8 - (Marmot, dyachei/lawpy, mightyrunner7, SportPonies, Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet)
Creature 5 - (Mayo the Mayo, Kate, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy)
Dennis 3 - (Animal Midwife, Scotty, NateTheLesser)
SportPonies 3 - (Seanzie, miranda920, pyxxy)
Falcon45ca 2 - (Zenge, santygrass)
pyxxy 1 - (genny)
Marmot 1 - (Dennis)

Did not vote 1 - (SARdoghandler)

Notes:

The mafia shooting Animal Midwife on night 1 after Scotty goes over, quite blatantly spews the Dennis wagon. Almost too blatantly. I am very confident there is a strong difference check between Dennis and NateTheLesser at this time.

I personally view Creature as a probable hit. He is not his towny self and has no enthusiasm. He keeps talking about his lack of energy/engagement which I have seen him do as mafia because he genuinely does not enjoy wolfing. I think Creature does need to be resolved to help town make heads or tails of the gamestate. I also don't trust Marmot at all and observed Marmot defend Creature during day 1 in a really questionable way. His reasons for ending up voting Scotty felt like he was trying to reach for justifications to be voting town, if Creature was town he wouldn't need to make said justifications.

Obviously if Creature and Dennis are both mafia, the Scotty wagon is very likely to contain multiple mafia. I'd be particularly interested in those who are more familiar with Scotty coming under fire, especially because after reading his ISO he felt like very basic Scotty, who is an A++ town player especially mid to late game. I would expect the likes of Marmot, Neon and Sloonei to be disinclined from killing Scotty day 1 over Creature when comparing their two isos.

@Sloonei, @Neon, @Marmot why did you end up voting out Scotty over Creature?

There is still likely to be one between Dennis and Nate. Interestingly we now have confirmation that Creature had at least one wolf bussing. Which is a very strange thing for Falcon to be doing. Perhaps Falcon did this because he was also being tunneled by Zenge and figured he wasn't going to go deep and figured that forcing a dicho out of him and Creature was sound. That's reasonable enough to assume, to suggest that the extent of the bussing may have ended there.

mightyrunner7 was insanified by Creature on night 1. It's quite wifom, but I will give it a very minor point in their favour simply because the wifom leads you to "just put it on a town because people will read it as wifom anyway so there's not much value in putting it on a wolf" is a true enough statement. Particularly when MR7 is already kinda likely to be town.

Given I think Seanzie is pretty much never with Falcon, I think that Miranda is very likely a hit for their Ponies vote.

It is important to keep coming back to this VC throughout the game because if the Scotty wagon ends up not having more than two wolves on it, the wagonomics outside there becomes more significant. Things like my statement above about Miranda take on less significance of the mafia actually really did vote Scotty in a large volume to save Creature as it makes pure wagons on town slightly more likely.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:32 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:18 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:07 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:01 pm @DrWilgy Wherefore art thou?
Dead.

Have only read your ISO tbh. I think you are town and will sheep you until I can obtain more data to make a read.
Sheep me on Creature then

[VOTE: creature] aubergine
Sure thing boss.

Also I do intend on catching up come next cycle. Stuff came up specifically these past two days that took my soul.

This is bonkers play if w/w/w. I think Tutuu is never a Werecreature here.

Notwithstanding that it's just bonkers for Falcon to so ruthlessly bus Creature and then die straight away. For those playing along at home, this is why we don't bus in role madness and especially not multiball role madness.

Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:12 pm Was Neons the one who originally wolfread falcons before townreading him?

Yes.

I'm ngl I started today wanting Lawpy dead but their pleading with Mayo is coming off very sincere to me.

Thankfully I think Falcon spewed Seanzie non Werecreature here.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:10 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:04 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:54 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:04 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:02 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:55 pm

Why are you TR Neon? Are you sheeping other player's reads on her slot?
Did I say I'm TRing Neon? SVS said Neon reads you better than SVS does, implying a decent read rate. And neon said you're acting weird. If Zenge is also saying you're scummy, then there's a common denominator.

It's implied you're TR Neon if you're looking for her take on my slot to inform your read, yes
I don't find this to be an accurate take.

Also, who said Falcon feels normal?
Oh? Do you normally ask players who you are SRing to inform your read on a slot?
I ask players who I am uncertain on to inform my reads on a slot.

Do you feel that's how PVS is approaching Neon w/ regards to my slot?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:24 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:36 pm @Sloonei What do you think of Neon (I think) saying falcon feels OOC?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:24 pm Anyway, I find the split on whether falcon is playing out of character or not to be an interesting one. sloonei says no, neon says yes. Other Syndicats, what's your opinion?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:27 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:25 pm
Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:20 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:19 pm
Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:17 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:06 pm

Yes, she is a relative noob. This is her fifth (I believe?) game.
I'm more getting at, I would've expected her to be coached not to say something like that. I'm reading her as nooby rather than outright wolfy.
I think you should read her wolf game before making claims like this.
I will not be doing that. I already stated I'm not even going to be reading this entire game. All I'm saying is I think she sounds noobish rather than wolfy to me.
That's going to be a problem.
Not if she sheeps me.

@potentialsheltervet
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!
I'm thinking about it. Particularly interested in Neon agreeing he's not acting normal. Trying to source opinions from other Syndicats to see their opinions

@Seanzie It's reasonable to assume looking at the way PVS keeps referring back to Neon specifically, and the tone in general, that they're not SR her slot.

Or perhaps I'm wrong and PVS is trying to get a read on Neon based off their read on me? But it doesn't feel that way at all, it feels like PVS is TR Neon, or at the very least has her above null

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:55 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:32 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:24 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:36 pm @Sloonei What do you think of Neon (I think) saying falcon feels OOC?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:24 pm Anyway, I find the split on whether falcon is playing out of character or not to be an interesting one. sloonei says no, neon says yes. Other Syndicats, what's your opinion?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:27 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:25 pm
Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:20 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:19 pm

I will not be doing that. I already stated I'm not even going to be reading this entire game. All I'm saying is I think she sounds noobish rather than wolfy to me.
That's going to be a problem.
Not if she sheeps me.

@potentialsheltervet
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!
I'm thinking about it. Particularly interested in Neon agreeing he's not acting normal. Trying to source opinions from other Syndicats to see their opinions

@Seanzie It's reasonable to assume looking at the way PVS keeps referring back to Neon specifically, and the tone in general, that they're not SR her slot.

Or perhaps I'm wrong and PVS is trying to get a read on Neon based off their read on me? But it doesn't feel that way at all, it feels like PVS is TR Neon, or at the very least has her above null
I don't see what you're pushing here. I agree that I get no vibe of a SR on Neon, but I also don't really get a "townread" vibe. Instead Neon said you're acting funny, and someone who doesn't know you well, and likely assumes Neon does, took that to heart.

They look like they're trying to make a meta-based push on you without having the meta to do so, so they're citing the sources of their meta. Nothing big about this.
Well, maybe that's just a vibe approach difference then to how I see the game..if I'm not SRing, I'm TRing by default

@Sloonei I think you are probably in a soft difference to Neon so I would appreciate your thoughts on Neon. @Neon vice versa.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:37 pm I will probably be required to explain my participation in Scotty's elimination, so here you go:

I initiated the Scotty bandwagon by posting a mild case about his Day 1 reads list and his response to some light pressure. It was intended to promote discussion with and about Scotty. But then he disappeared and a bunch of votes piled on. I expressed concerns about this in real time, but at the time I still felt like Scotty was the closed thing I had to a suspect. I gave serious consideration to switching to Creature in the final minutes, but I didn't act on it. Oh well.

I am responsible for giving the werecreatures an excuse not to vote Creature. But I am not one of them.

When you were defending Falcon on day 1 and Zenge attacked yoy, you certainly sound like town Sloonei, but it's hard to reconcile that you are probably singularly responsible for two Werecreatures surviving day 1 by voting out Scotty.

Why did you feel the need to interject on Falcon's behalf with Zenge?

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:05 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:03 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:50 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:37 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:34 pm

When you say “this is what he does”, it sounds like you’re saying “this is NAI”, is that correct?
Not necessarily. I would lean very slightly towards a town read on him. But, at the very least, he should not be scumread for playing the role of antagonist like this.
Okay, let’s circle back to “This is what he does”.

Because that’s a very generic dismissal of my read and my push. You’re using the fact that you have familiarity with Falcon to completely dismiss my very valid reasons for finding this player to be a wolf.

So with regards to your “This is what he does”, please, I’d like you to be as thorough as possible in your explanation.
"What he does" is pick a fight with a player or a couple of players very early in the game. He'll provoke them and do his darndest to get a big reaction out of folks regardless of whether or not he's right, or is making "logical" sense. My understanding of the play is that he does it to create action.

How his play develops from there might vary from game to game. But this is the typical opening move from falcon.
This is not about picking a fight or provoking a reaction.

I asked him a very simple question, very concisely, twice. The first time he realized he didn’t have a good answer because he was full of it and tried to just walk away from the conversation. The second time he tried to obfuscate and redirect attention, still refusing to admit he was wrong or answer the question.

Coupled with everything else he’s done on thread, this is a wolf.

I’m not letting this go.
I would prefer to see how both of you respond to other things in this thread.
Your defense of Falcon is noted, Sloonei.

Make no mistake, I am reading and monitoring the rest of the game.

I also made note of the fact that in your defense of Falcon, you refused to actually talk about the merits of what I was saying and the complete lack of merits of what Falcon was saying.

Instead you dismissed my wolf read by saying “you know Falcon better” and tried to say “he’s just antagonistic”, and followed that up with “let’s talk about something else…”

If Falcon does flip wolf, you’re 100% next for the way you handled this.

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:37 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:09 pm
VC 3 hours before EOD1.

Creature - 4 votes
Voters: Mayo the Mayo, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy
Scotty - 4 votes
Voters: Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet
SportPonies - 3 votes
Voters: pyxxy, Seanzie, miranda920
Dennis - 2 votes
Voters: Animal Midwife, Scotty
miranda920 - 2 votes
Voters: santygrass, SportPonies
falcon45ca - 1 votes
Voters: Zenge
Marmot - 1 votes
Voters: Dennis
pyxxy - 1 votes
Voters: genny
Zenge - 1 votes
Voters: NateTheLesser
Dennis seems outed. Possibly one between Miranda/Santy AND one between Miranda/Seanzie. Maybe Miranda is just outed. Probably no more wolves on Creature aside from Falcon. Probably at least one between Neon/Sloonei on Scotty here.
Explain vigorously pls

In the case of Dennis, he is voting off wagon on a slot that has been janitorised while two now dead town are voting for him. This is not towny, and the fact that no wolves were voting him at this time is also nagl.

Miranda, has a dead town and Santy voting them. It is unlikely, for much the same reasons, that a wolf would not be voting Miranda here if they were a town.

Ponies has 3 voters, 1 is a dead town, again, it is very likely a wolf is between the two of Miranda and Seanzie because of wagonomics rule of 3 votes.

That Miranda appears in two of these dichotomies doesn't bode well for Miranda.

Scotty is a direct counterwagon to a wolf. Creature was voting him. One two. Two remain. It is incredibly unlikely no further wolves were voting him at this time.

@Seanzie please make more than 5 posts today.

Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:42 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:37 pm I'm sorting reads pls.

Who do you think is wolfing Lawpy?
I don’t think my POE changed significantly from before, which btw had falcons and creatures in it.

I’m wolfreading Nates, mayos and Slooneis. Largely because of end of D1 events for Nates + the initial Zenges vote. And how the latter two handled Zenges vs Falcons.

So you are townreading Dennis then?

It's so funny there was a post of PSV's I found overnight that as I was reading just made me go "holy fuck that is soooo outing". During EOD after he seemed to be really cleverly trying to keep people off Creature. Creature votes Scotty and he makes this ridiculous "I think Creature voted Scotty in prime bussy spot" read that felt so much like he was spewing Creature mafia and trying to chain Scotty to him in the event Creature flipped. I would NEVER have resolved PSV town after what I read. I am so very thankful to whoever has slotted him cuz fuck me D3 was about to be messy haha.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:09 pm
VC 3 hours before EOD1.

Creature - 4 votes
Voters: Mayo the Mayo, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy
Scotty - 4 votes
Voters: Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet
SportPonies - 3 votes
Voters: pyxxy, Seanzie, miranda920
Dennis - 2 votes
Voters: Animal Midwife, Scotty
miranda920 - 2 votes
Voters: santygrass, SportPonies
falcon45ca - 1 votes
Voters: Zenge
Marmot - 1 votes
Voters: Dennis
pyxxy - 1 votes
Voters: genny
Zenge - 1 votes
Voters: NateTheLesser

Dennis seems outed. Possibly one between Miranda/Santy AND one between Miranda/Seanzie. Maybe Miranda is just outed. Probably no more wolves on Creature aside from Falcon. Probably at least one between Neon/Sloonei on Scotty here.

Congrats @Zenge on the pelt btw.

Due to Falcon's flip I am revising my townlist and removing Sloonei off it for now. Falcon and Creature both being Werecreatures that were hard pushed day 1 makes anyone complicit in the Scotty wagon exceedingly in need of a resolve. I don't think Sloonei is a wolf, but I'm not comfortable townclearing him now.

This makes my present towncore Santy, MR7, Mayo and Tutuu.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:27 pm Are we allowed to claim in this set up?

Yes it says it's permitted.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:25 pm Could Marmot be 3P? Or was he just janitored? It does not make any sense for the werecreatures to have targeted him.

Mmm I am not sure that it doesn't.

What if they rolecopped him n1 and he was KP for the other faction or something? And also had 4 of them in his bottom 4? We know at least 50% of his scumreads were accurate and the other 2 are my bottom two reads.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:18 pm Hey look a wolfy opportunistic 3rd vote on the lead wagon.

[VOTE: Miranda] aubergine

Where have I seen this before?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:04 pm [VOTE: Miranda920] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:18 pm Hey look a wolfy opportunistic 3rd vote on the lead wagon.

[VOTE: Miranda] aubergine

Where have I seen this before?

Quite literally the first wagon of the game. It's obviously not clearing but if you're going to shrugvote someone I'd probably pick from the significant list of players that Creature may not have spewed town.

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