The Syndicate

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:11 pm I'm perfectly fine with syn or scotty dying. I don't particularly want sig dead because syn is voting there

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:09 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:08 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:57 pm I don't know how I feel about syn's wagon being so runaway, you know?

It’s never been runaway because of people like you

I’m not even sure you suspect me

If syn flips mafia, I’m looking toward you next

I still think he's mafia though? I just also think ted's case on you makes sense

but thanks for the threat!

hm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:57 pm I don't know how I feel about syn's wagon being so runaway, you know?

...

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:53 pm I think sig and dya are town

tutuu is also naked mafia

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:38 pm I want to flip all three of the s players plus dya plus wilgy plus tutuu so baaaad... but we are probably going to flip exactly the town between them and then I'll die and y'all will probably just kill fuckin epi or tsp or something when the mafia post some remotely nai thing that someone says is townie then I'll be in spec chat all wtf

I will fight against such lynches, i think both Epi and TSP are town

tsp keeps doing things like "stop voting sig" but not explaining shit so I dunno

no wait you'll flip rondo when I'm gone that's what will happen

I want to flip all three of the s players plus dya plus wilgy plus tutuu so baaaad... but we are probably going to flip exactly the town between them and then I'll die and y'all will probably just kill fuckin epi or tsp or something when the mafia post some remotely nai thing that someone says is townie then I'll be in spec chat all wtf

why did the Scotty wagon die... fucken sad

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:47 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:13 pm

This reads as either you vigging him or he vigging you, and it backfiring.

Either way, hard to read your alignment on this, besides how smug you’re coming off from witnessing a town die

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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:42 pm Is Dya a wolf?

yes and so is sig why are you telling me to stop voting for him?

where the fuck is @tedxtr

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:39 pm Like I want to yeet Sig d1 as much as the next guy (love you buddy), but it feels like idk where this wagon came from.

Perhaps I'm rambling. Oh well. Locked in Syn. Gotta drive to Austin now. Gl ppl.

read this shit ... the timing is so wack

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:31 pm if syn goes over and flips town napalm the current voters to oblivion

Current voters at time of saying: Poison, Ruri, Made, Scotty, DrWilgy, tutuu, dyachei

the latter four plus sig are who I wish to see the charred remains of

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:39 pm Like I want to yeet Sig d1 as much as the next guy (love you buddy), but it feels like idk where this wagon came from.

Perhaps I'm rambling. Oh well. Locked in Syn. Gotta drive to Austin now. Gl ppl.

such garbage shit... wilgy had me entirely fooled but is just openwolfing with posts like this

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:30 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:29 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:25 pm so ultimately the wagon that doesn't have mac on it is painstakingly going over vs. the one that does and wilgy and dyachei are now mafia... whoda thought

Just for us smooth brains you are saying its Syn, Wigly, Dyachei, Sig?

No I am readying dya and wilgy's progression here as desperate to get syn over sig and Scotty and their prior positions don't stack up. Their desperation comes out of nowhere. Townies are just sitting back like who cares meanwhile those two (and Scotty) are rolling around with this heightened sense of urgency to get syn over.

Sig, Scotty, Dya, Wilgy.

How confident are you on sig over the others?

I would kill dya here over everyone probably

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:29 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:27 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:22 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:17 pm I am finally home, sorry i am late

you bloody well ought to be sorry where the fuck have you been it'd 5.30am!

I was busy irl

What? Do you think i could stay away from paying if i could post?

just trying to be funny

if syn goes over and flips town napalm the current voters to oblivion

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:39 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:38 pm I guess here's the thing.

Both Sig and Scotty felt like counter-wagons to Syn that formed.

Yes there would be town in them, but scum forming hard counter wagons makes the most sense if it is Syn.

K bet

[VOTE: syn] aubergine

probably the 5th

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:25 pm so ultimately the wagon that doesn't have mac on it is painstakingly going over vs. the one that does and wilgy and dyachei are now mafia... whoda thought

Just for us smooth brains you are saying its Syn, Wigly, Dyachei, Sig?

No I am readying dya and wilgy's progression here as desperate to get syn over sig and Scotty and their prior positions don't stack up. Their desperation comes out of nowhere. Townies are just sitting back like who cares meanwhile those two (and Scotty) are rolling around with this heightened sense of urgency to get syn over.

Sig, Scotty, Dya, Wilgy.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:22 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:17 pm I am finally home, sorry i am late

you bloody well ought to be sorry where the fuck have you been it'd 5.30am!

I was busy irl

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:38 pm I guess here's the thing.

Both Sig and Scotty felt like counter-wagons to Syn that formed.

Yes there would be town in them, but scum forming hard counter wagons makes the most sense if it is Syn.

Here's the thing... you're outing with this post and you're outing that syn is town and sig and Scotty are both hits and dya is a four. Fifth is who the fuck ever at this point.

so ultimately the wagon that doesn't have mac on it is painstakingly going over vs. the one that does and wilgy and dyachei are now mafia... whoda thought

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:38 pm I guess here's the thing.

Both Sig and Scotty felt like counter-wagons to Syn that formed.

Yes there would be town in them, but scum forming hard counter wagons makes the most sense if it is Syn.

Except I made all three wagons

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:17 pm I am finally home, sorry i am late

you bloody well ought to be sorry where the fuck have you been it'd 5.30am!

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:35 pm wait is insomnia in this game? @tedxtr what are your reads?

guys I don't mean to be rude to our new guest but dyachei is obviously mafia lol

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:26 pm Actually.

Hear me out. Syn at risk of losing mafia's 1 shot daykill gets towncred by NAA's "all my scumleans are on Syn."

A Syn mafia 100% kills this slot to reveal the opinion as a town discrediting his voters.

Super tin hat, but I'm sold.

or... and hear me out ... he threatened to vigi a vig who has zero fucks to give who decided it would be just awesome sauce to fuck his ass up and then post a very obvious reaction gif

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:11 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:13 pm

ok it was definitely epi

Did he do it for the meme? Was it in good faith?

I can’t read it as anything except smug satisfaction

none of those things are mutually exclusive

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:20 pm Ooooh wait NAA said he will vig epi

So i think that means NAA role required him to die so he kill epi tonight maybe

2+2=3235472¥₩¥£

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:17 pm Wait a sec but why would someone shoot axe regardless of alignment and poison

regardless of poison? what is this sentence?

epi shot him because axe was trolling him and threatening to night vig him... epi is town because if he was mafia he would have just killed me as soon as I activated inno child. Also the day vigilante is just town because inno child is in the setup. It makes no sense to put an inno child in a setup and just give mafia a day vig to kill it lol.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:13 pm

ok it was definitely epi

uhhhh who day killed axe and it was obviously epi

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:13 pm @NotAnAxehole has been burnt at the stake.

Spoiler: show

They were Keira Metz: Glamorous Sorceress Living in a Bog

yoooo

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:57 am hey michelle

I see you posted a reads list. can someone tell me the case on syn?

that was also in my iso...

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:54 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:53 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:52 am having read macs iso i think hes prob town. the only thing i really disagree with in his iso is that rondo became towny but i havent read rondos iso

you read my iso and missed the part where I am mod confirmed innocent child?

I just read it and I guess I did. Was that in your iso or the mod's iso?

I did quote it and reference it several times but whatever. I gotta go to bed. Goodnight and goodluck. Hopefully my presence ensures you at least a d2 this time lol.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:52 am having read macs iso i think hes prob town. the only thing i really disagree with in his iso is that rondo became towny but i havent read rondos iso

you read my iso and missed the part where I am mod confirmed innocent child?

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

bye

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:35 am hi guys. I've read literally none of the game. Can someone catch me up a bit?

I am a mod confirmed inno child. I did it for the kek. Iso me for the purified truncated catch up. I've basically camped most of the game. Have a POE and reads and shit. If you're town it's probably good to start there. If mafia you can just sheep whichever of my reads is wrong. If all of them then happy days for you.

psych I'm still here sig ... have you been hiding in scum chat this whole time waiting for me to leave you baby?

Aight well I did my best fam. It's late at night now and EOD is 6am so I won't be here. I trust you'll all give it a red hot shake.

I haven't really changed my reads all that much. Urist got a lot townier. Scotty maybe trended slightly up to the point where I'd maybe prefer Syn go over. I guess I've no choice but to sheep Urist on Axe. Tutuu trended a fair bit down for me mostly because of Urist's appraisal of her and if Urist/Axe are town then that's a pretty strong argument against her.

Unless you have a role that really needs a claim because you can do something strictly pro town in the night at the same time as dying just die with your claims please. If anyone tries to live claiming anything insubstantial just kill them.

Night.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:57 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:56 am Yeah so Scotty basically explained right there why it's ever a bad idea to townread ate. It's so easy to win games as mafia when all you have to do is get genuinely upset by being caught in a game in which it's upsetting to be caught.

maybe i just can't imagine being upsetting to be caught as mafia. it feels to me like a bizzare thing to feel

Being mafia and getting caught by good town play is upsetting the same way losing any sport is upsetting. You should be gracious in post but in our sport you get to channel your inner spoiled brat before that to try to get out of it.

Being mafia and getting caught by wrong reasons or dogshit town play is upsetting because it's not fair.

Either way it's not something wolves need to fake. And if they don't genuinely feel it should probably not ever actually try to fake.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:56 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:55 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:50 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:47 am Whereas Tutuu (maybe sorta jokingly) was implying that only reading emotion is necessary. Which I think is arguable when you look at the results of games. I think reading vote patterns, wagons, postcounts and clarity of progression are all superior.

oh yes, i wasnt being literal

if u'd like to "logicify" my read on scotty, i would put it like that

"i dont believe that scotty is capable of faking that level of purity as a wolf, i believe that it is hard to do generally, and he himself doesn't feel like a cold blooded liar. he did some hiccups in his reasonings, well a lot, to the point where i feel like he's just town, for i think it is unlikely that a wolf does that many, for i believe that villagers are more hotheaded and can lose their path a lil bit, while mafia i believe tend to be more grounded and retain he ability to sound more agreeable"

but this is really long to type out and it tires me, so i prefer to just say "emotion"

If I were “caught” as a wolf, I would feel equally as slighted and would actually use AtE to my advantage (maybe) knowing that you use that as a sleuthing mechanism. That’s where the logica manipulation comes from

if that were the case im hoping that i'd be able to identify liars using my sense of empathy

But wolves can have ATE and not be lying. That's the problem lol.

Yeah so Scotty basically explained right there why it's ever a bad idea to townread ate. It's so easy to win games as mafia when all you have to do is get genuinely upset by being caught in a game in which it's upsetting to be caught.

I tend to only read emotion when it comes from players that I have yet to see evidence can weaponise it as mafia. Once they do it once then it might as well not be a thing. Though I'd be lying if I said it didn't move me still.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:46 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:44 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:39 am Logic and rational thinking in a game of numbers is the correct way to play.

Emotional tact can be quantified and rationalized.

You nerds are arguing the same shit.

The influence of ate is the argument. Alison for instance refuses to let emotional behaviours from the recipient of her read affect how she appraises their play and has the highest winrate. We have a similar mindset towards other facets of the game but I will judge emotion one way or the other and she doesn't. I tend to get fooled by it, she doesn't allow herself to be. So from that perspective she would make the argument that it's better to simply ignore it entirely and she would have a strong case.

Strong case, yes, but truly optimized play can rationalize ethos as well as logos. Perhaps you just aren't there yet?

Well I mean... I do play that was as I've said. And my winrate since 2019 is very high. But it's not really an argument of that. It's an argument of emotion only vs. logic only lol and I think if you pick one in this game you pick reading the game without letting emotion influence your reads vs. emotion only if you want to pick between the two. I agree that it's far better to view emotion as another facet of play that can be read logically.

Whereas Tutuu (maybe sorta jokingly) was implying that only reading emotion is necessary. Which I think is arguable when you look at the results of games. I think reading vote patterns, wagons, postcounts and clarity of progression are all superior.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:39 am Logic and rational thinking in a game of numbers is the correct way to play.

Emotional tact can be quantified and rationalized.

You nerds are arguing the same shit.

The influence of ate is the argument. Alison for instance refuses to let emotional behaviours from the recipient of her read affect how she appraises their play and has the highest winrate. We have a similar mindset towards other facets of the game but I will judge emotion one way or the other and she doesn't. I tend to get fooled by it, she doesn't allow herself to be. So from that perspective she would make the argument that it's better to simply ignore it entirely and she would have a strong case.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:41 am Why is ender/rondo/mr voting me? I’m not back reading right niw

sheeping me after I agreed with ted

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:37 am Syn/Tutuu

Or

Urist/Ender?

Does Rondo fit into either of these?

I'm not able to see the lines like I used to.

urist is exceedingly obvious town just from his recent outburst tbh

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:36 amthe n1 kill

lol if it happens again in a game where I'm mod confirmed

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:35 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:29 am Also on the subject of winrates... Alison and Jay use pure logic and ignore emotion and both have higher winrates than me and I tend to read emotion and ignore logic on occasion probably to the detriment of my results honestly. Case in point Alison would just go on burying Rondo today whereas I'm re-evaluating. Maybe I'm right this time but I think in most cases she would be.

Counterpoint: i also use logic and have the worst town winrate of anyone

well logic can be both good and bad depending on the exponent lol

also you probably haven't played enough games here to really have true values