The Syndicate

miranda920 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:14 pm

miranda920 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:01 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:24 pm Can you elaborate on Nate? As in, what iffy things you recall?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:34 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:49 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:06 am I feel like there's a post restriction here.

There's not a post restrictor, unless it's something an inventor cooked up.

This actually feels like a genuine slip. I believe he didn't know Creature had the role. But I also want to know why you dismissed the idea completely @NateTheLesser?

This was pingy to me

My post?

not your post, the fact that Nate seems to slip on some role knowledge

I think Nate just read the roles in the OP and there was no post restrictor. Didn't realise that it could be a community role. If it's sus it's because he's memorised roles and is role hunting lol.

To be clear when I say slip I meant townslip, or moreover "not with creature slip". What's pingy about it?

miranda920 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:01 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:24 pm Can you elaborate on Nate? As in, what iffy things you recall?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:34 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:49 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:06 am I feel like there's a post restriction here.

There's not a post restrictor, unless it's something an inventor cooked up.

This actually feels like a genuine slip. I believe he didn't know Creature had the role. But I also want to know why you dismissed the idea completely @NateTheLesser?

This was pingy to me

My post?

OMG U GUISE POST CAP IS LIFTED I CAN SPAM WITH RECKLESS ABANDON

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 8:37 pm Oh yay Mac likes me!

Don't make me weathervane damn you.

Pew pew gut reads here we go lessgo

Dennis - Hilariously cooked unit / town
Lawpy - Belly up (reprise)
genny - Probably will flip town but that wouldn't be fair
Mayo - Town for projecting this gif through text



MR7 - Ya know just don't know ya know. Like they are probably not with Creature/Falcon for spew reasons and whatever but then they aren't really towny at all so maybe other faction? I dunno I can't really abide them anymore. They haven't given me the creamy gooey town feel.
miranda - I feel pretty much the same about them as the above?
Nate - I kinda feel okay about Nate now. Good job buddy.
Neon - I kinda feel okay about Neon now. Good job buddy.
SVS - I kinda feel okay about SVS now. Good job buddy.
santy - Feels like a Werecreature who has convinced themselves that I am not town lol.
SARdog - I ain't do be buying what dey do be sellin tbh. Ain't no love between us.
Seanzie - At the start of the game he was all "ree I'm town Seanzie" at AM but then since then he's been basically wolf Seanzie. I am of the wondering whether he is of the non Werecreature align and started the game being able to realsolve which has become harder and harder and now we that he has taken his "yo im towny yo" t-shirt off he is revealed to have a "ha just kidding i wasnt town yo" shirt on underneath it.
Sloonei - He is giving me grandpa vibes which is kinda towny.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:57 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:51 pm And said necessary tonal shift has been demonstrated by my fake re-evaluation on you?

So my plan to secure my factions win revolves around re-evaluating you from towncore (a read I didn't even have at the start of the day) and pocketing every other player in the game.

Because you are the ultra threat of all town and of all the town that exist I must catch the ultra threat of Santy the Destroyer.

Muahahaha. And you marvellous town GOD have foiled me. Seen straight through my devilish master plan. @Dennis he has figured out our devious Vampiric schemes we must now pivot to super anti-town and not townread him even harder!

Yes SIR

@everyone vote santy pls and ty

That wagon came and went.

*whoosh*

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 6:55 pm I think Neon and Santy are two that I've gotten a weird vibe from, that it's like they have an artificially narrow POE..? Not sure exactly how to explain. Like this is the part of the game where a non-wolf scum faction would need to steer away from certain parts of the POE.

Sexy read bruh.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 5:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:29 pm Hard claim vampire self poisoner

What made you think vampires for the poison rather than a poisoner being in the game? Is there syndicate history with vampires as a faction?

The message I got overnight felt kinda vampirey and Vampires and Werewolves go together like peas and carrots.

Given that I didn't realise there was a poisoner in the game at the time it now reads basically just like a poison so there's not really any reason to assume vampires. But let's call them that anyway until we know different lol.

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 5:52 pm I am feeling nervous we haven't flipped any other faction members. At least insofar as we have no way to know when we've eliminated a faction (I assume) and that we may waste time looking for additional "partners" while the other faction gets more kill time

Factions generally get announced as defeated.

*curls moustache evilly*

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:57 pm Nah, Silly Santy, Mac is for townies!

Muahaha so POCKETED.

@Neon you gotta belee me.

Vampire faction is Tutuu/Santy/Seanzie gg.

@Seanzie hey Seanzie I WOLFREAD you. What you gonna do about it?

Surely if I push Seanzie he will go on omgus tilt and start raging at me and call me outed. This will lead to the town cohesion breaking but be pinned on him not me because I have masterfully pocketed everyone. Santy will back him up and it will further erode his town cred for siding with Seanzie and make me EVEN DEEPA.

#deepwolflife

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Unpredictable move designed to confuse and distract Santy while I wolfy up the place.

And said necessary tonal shift has been demonstrated by my fake re-evaluation on you?

So my plan to secure my factions win revolves around re-evaluating you from towncore (a read I didn't even have at the start of the day) and pocketing every other player in the game.

Because you are the ultra threat of all town and of all the town that exist I must catch the ultra threat of Santy the Destroyer.

Muahahaha. And you marvellous town GOD have foiled me. Seen straight through my devilish master plan. @Dennis he has figured out our devious Vampiric schemes we must now pivot to super anti-town and not townread him even harder!

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:33 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:56 am Like , I kinda think Mac is townreading me but isn't admitting it. Either because they are tilted by me or because they had to tonally switch between being pro-town yesterday and now being more anti-town.

Why would I have to tonally shift?

Because it seems that werecreatures are close to losing and its in the interest of another scum faction to not fight against the town alone

So your theory is that ... I'm non Werecreature faction mafia who townreads you and I'm tonally shifting to being anti-town because I need to start killing town?

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:56 am Like , I kinda think Mac is townreading me but isn't admitting it. Either because they are tilted by me or because they had to tonally switch between being pro-town yesterday and now being more anti-town.

Why would I have to tonally shift?

Hard claim vampire self poisoner

Everyone vote Santy it'll be super funny.

@Dennis @tutuu make everyone do it while I sleep. I want to see if we can persuade the whole playerlist to vote him.

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:33 am Also, if for some reason you consider Creature in Anti-spew since EoD1 , then Mighty shouldn't be a clears of yours either @MacDougall

Alright I have no townreads except Mayo again. Just Mayo and me vs. the world.

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:27 am Like, I am not attacking Mac for having Mac reads. I am attacking for saying stuff he should know its incorrect. He took me off of towncore when they saw thread didnt quite clear me as he initially thought

Being a whiny baby isn't gonna get you back into the towncore.

now show me a wolf game where he does care

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:49 am I think sloonei is fine, not a shining beacon of townyness, but im fine with him for now

If theres any wolves left in the syndicators i think it can only be sean

(Yes mac i know multiball multiball, im ignoring it for now)

you know who else ignores multiball, the other faction!

reeee

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:33 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:16 am On you are confused because you think I was implying Seanzie IS bad... Yeah I can see how that reads that way. I more meant like "these two wolves went belly up, seanzie is going belly up too (so maybe he is a werecreature and they're all going belly up). It just came out that way because I'm mafia and sometimes wolves write posts weirdly. You get it.

OOOh I gotcha

See this whole exchange was complete nonsense cause I'm also a wolf, and we're actually on the same team, and this is theater. No one will read us as paired now.

Delightfully devilish Dennis.

On you are confused because you think I was implying Seanzie IS bad... Yeah I can see how that reads that way. I more meant like "these two wolves went belly up, seanzie is going belly up too (so maybe he is a werecreature and they're all going belly up). It just came out that way because I'm mafia and sometimes wolves write posts weirdly. You get it.

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:12 am

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:54 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:33 pm I keep coming back to the idea that the Werecreatures faction are basically wimless. Creature and Falcon both went belly up day 2. Seanzie fell a mile off. That faction might just be dead?

@tutuu you're townreading Neon because of their "joyposting" or whatever, but imo they haven't had positive energy towards the game since day 1. Throughout day 2 they were essentially a non factor and their posting was sombre and has only gotten worse today.

"Seanzie fell a mile off" what

Is he just a werecreature now?

What do you mean what?

You said, seanzie fell a mile off when talking about the werecreatures faction

Seanzie is still like playing the game, and not dead

Ergo, what? Are you just like boldly claiming seanzie is bad?

I am implying the werecreatures faction may be suffering from demotivation.

I am indicating that Seanzie's contributions to the game have cratered since wolves started dying.

He made 5 posts yesterday and is up to 6 today. So "Seanzie is still like playing the game".

When wolves flip, town tend to get more motivated, not less.

Weird reaction.

Okay so you were just boldly claiming seanzie is bad

By "Seanzie is still like playing the game" I meant not flipped, which is ridiculous for you to assume but shrug emoji x7

What in the fucking blue hell are you babbling about right now?

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:54 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:33 pm I keep coming back to the idea that the Werecreatures faction are basically wimless. Creature and Falcon both went belly up day 2. Seanzie fell a mile off. That faction might just be dead?

@tutuu you're townreading Neon because of their "joyposting" or whatever, but imo they haven't had positive energy towards the game since day 1. Throughout day 2 they were essentially a non factor and their posting was sombre and has only gotten worse today.

"Seanzie fell a mile off" what

Is he just a werecreature now?

What do you mean what?

You said, seanzie fell a mile off when talking about the werecreatures faction

Seanzie is still like playing the game, and not dead

Ergo, what? Are you just like boldly claiming seanzie is bad?

I am implying the werecreatures faction may be suffering from demotivation.

I am indicating that Seanzie's contributions to the game have cratered since wolves started dying.

He made 5 posts yesterday and is up to 6 today. So "Seanzie is still like playing the game".

When wolves flip, town tend to get more motivated, not less.

Weird reaction.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:04 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:49 pm @Sloonei apart from lawpy do you have other scumreads?

@Seanzie apart from lawpy do you have other scumreads?

Not actively. The quieter folks (genny, seanzie, miranda, SAR) should be sussed out further. I just haven’t gotten around to doing that yet.

Do you not consider Falcon's ISO a relevant place to look? I would have though it'd be where to start for you.

I do.

I have been busy since this phase started. The game is currently on the back burner. I am sorry, but these questions achieve nothing. I have very few updated thoughts for Day 3.

These questions achieve the goal of me developing an awareness of how you are approaching the game, which at present is "Sloonei's approaching the game unlike his town self, and is trying to say he's too busy to read an ISO while he's spent equivocal time on other less fruitful endeavours." Just so, you know where my head's at.

To be clear, I do permit that doing a huge tremendous ISO dive the way you generally do would maybe be difficult if busy, but I don't think you've been too busy to at least flick through it instead of other things you've chosen to focus on.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:04 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:49 pm @Sloonei apart from lawpy do you have other scumreads?

@Seanzie apart from lawpy do you have other scumreads?

Not actively. The quieter folks (genny, seanzie, miranda, SAR) should be sussed out further. I just haven’t gotten around to doing that yet.

Do you not consider Falcon's ISO a relevant place to look? I would have though it'd be where to start for you.

I retract suspicion that Neon is with Falcon.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:33 pm I keep coming back to the idea that the Werecreatures faction are basically wimless. Creature and Falcon both went belly up day 2. Seanzie fell a mile off. That faction might just be dead?

@tutuu you're townreading Neon because of their "joyposting" or whatever, but imo they haven't had positive energy towards the game since day 1. Throughout day 2 they were essentially a non factor and their posting was sombre and has only gotten worse today.

maybe

they did out their role for no reason though

i dont think they are in a team with falcon and creature but sure. lol multiball

Neon is perfectly okay with bussing and when they do it, it looks exactly like how they treated the flipped wolves in this game generally.

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:33 pm I keep coming back to the idea that the Werecreatures faction are basically wimless. Creature and Falcon both went belly up day 2. Seanzie fell a mile off. That faction might just be dead?

@tutuu you're townreading Neon because of their "joyposting" or whatever, but imo they haven't had positive energy towards the game since day 1. Throughout day 2 they were essentially a non factor and their posting was sombre and has only gotten worse today.

"Seanzie fell a mile off" what

Is he just a werecreature now?

What do you mean what?

@tutuu can you address your SAR read for me please?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:55 pm What if Lawpy knew Zenge was going to die?

Please elaborate on why you made this post

Tinfoil. Folks were talking about Lawpy's siding with Zenge all of Day 2. I have expressed my concerns about that very issue. At some point I started to wonder if Lawpy poisoned Zenge and backed his point of view knowing he was going to die and flip town.

I don't think it holds much water now that I've written it all out.

What is your read on Lawpy/Dya outside of this? They have been a primary focal point for much of the day?

Have you looked into Falcon and Creature associatives? Or done the Neon dive as per request?

Sloooooonei... you Darthin bruh?

I keep coming back to the idea that the Werecreatures faction are basically wimless. Creature and Falcon both went belly up day 2. Seanzie fell a mile off. That faction might just be dead?

@tutuu you're townreading Neon because of their "joyposting" or whatever, but imo they haven't had positive energy towards the game since day 1. Throughout day 2 they were essentially a non factor and their posting was sombre and has only gotten worse today.

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:19 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:01 pm honestly i dont quite get the reasons why lawpy is mafia but so many of my townreads are saying it that i'm not opposed at all, i dont need to know everything. u guys have my support

Mayo clearly has their information related reasons plus thinking that Lawpy's lying about stuff.

For me, it really boils down to Dyachei's handling of Scotty/Creature day 1 more than anything. I kind of think Lawpy has been a little been towny sounding, but they also have a LOT of red flags.

I’ll share the rest tomorrow, unless I need to sooner.

Meh I'm not sure it's entirely necessary if it's going to actually benefit the mafia to know. Lawpy isn't going to live long unless they hard claim cop or something. They're way below the POE line and don't look like they intend to climb out so you don't need to bury them any further imo.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:55 pm What if Lawpy knew Zenge was going to die?

Please elaborate on why you made this post

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:28 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:19 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:04 pm mac
mayo
neon
dennis
SVS
mr7
SAR
miranda

sean
sloonei

nate

santy

lawpy
genny

That list is so sad how I am so low

Pick 1

Slanked on day 1 hard
Creature trivially pushed you while in antispew
You tried really hard to get Zenge to stop focusing on Falcon
You have a chaotic energy and scattered approach to the game
You are overly focused on being townread

Your reads are obfuscated largely, and when they aren't are very poorly explained, yet you take issue with "not getting" reads that are actually well explained.

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:19 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:04 pm mac
mayo
neon
dennis
SVS
mr7
SAR
miranda

sean
sloonei

nate

santy

lawpy
genny

That list is so sad how I am so low

Pick 1

Slanked on day 1 hard
Creature trivially pushed you while in antispew
You tried really hard to get Zenge to stop focusing on Falcon
You have a chaotic energy and scattered approach to the game
You are overly focused on being townread

Sus on Santy for not getting a read that has been explained and is very simple. Sounds like wolfy shade more than actual town effort.

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:20 pm Also, I agree with Mayo goating.

But don't really get Tutu's read on Dennis so I'm raising an eyebrow there

Are you? Tutuu documented their read quite vividly and if you really wanted to "get it" you could accomplish this with ease.

Tutuu thinks Dennis is unencumbered by a need to sound town, something that Tutuu thinks Dennis is as mafia. I think Dennis is factually locked into POE through results, but I also agree that Dennis doesn't, and hasn't really, sounded wolfy at all throughout the game.

I think Tutuu's "towncore" makes sense.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:45 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:45 pm @Seanzie please make more than 5 posts today.

This makes 5, and I still need to vote, so I think I can oblige.

6 it is!

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:04 pm mac
mayo
neon
dennis
SVS
mr7
SAR
miranda

sean
sloonei

nate

santy

lawpy
genny

Yeah quite so, but the "other faction" as it were are very likely in your townreads (or you are part of it).

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:01 pm honestly i dont quite get the reasons why lawpy is mafia but so many of my townreads are saying it that i'm not opposed at all, i dont need to know everything. u guys have my support

Mayo clearly has their information related reasons plus thinking that Lawpy's lying about stuff.

For me, it really boils down to Dyachei's handling of Scotty/Creature day 1 more than anything. I kind of think Lawpy has been a little been towny sounding, but they also have a LOT of red flags.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:08 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:56 am @MacDougall

Mac Said

SVS - Reserved townlean. They look very clean for this whole thing... almost too clean. I dunno. Town until further notice but I have my worries.

There's no pleasing you for me, lol. "Almost too clean"

That's Ok. A suspicion a day keeps the NK away.

I kinda agree re Sloonei, I thought him trying to cool down that situation was maybe a bit moddish of him at the time. It felt like he was trying to cool down the thread. But I had some bubbles about him early; it almost seemed like was doing some day zero post padding along with Dennis, although Dennis was much more obvs.

I mean everyone was lolcatting a bit, but Dennis made like 12 posts in a row. So I'm rereading Dennis. with flips in mind.

You need to just ignore me when I do this honestly. Going back and forth on players constantly is just a thing I do no matter what.

With all due respect and <3, you are hard to ignore lol.

And I know that when I mention someone, in an "I am concerned" way, and they don't address it, it makes me go hmmm a bit, and look at them a bit harder. So I tend to reply to those myself, even if it makes me look defensive.

And I have learned that you like to make reaction tests, like in Muppets. So I'll try to ignore you, but you have to know that isn't easy

Well I more meant the sussing of me for suspecting you. It's like sassing the sun for rising.

"Ah sun there you are again. It's every morning with you! You're incorrigible!"