The Syndicate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:20 pm mac can u read through creature's posts today and give me ur thoughts? i'll do the same for sig

I've read all of his posts. They aren't great but they are better than sigs, and that Jack post pleading with us to vote out creature and tutuu over sig made my fucking skin crawl. Jack suddenly caring again and trying to be pushy is just making me think he's flipped back to hard wolfsiding probably to end the game.

We've had town tying themselves in knots trying to solve this game and sig is just like sitting there absolutely giving no ounce of fuck about finding the mafia.

I want someone to make a towncase on sig pulling from his actual content please

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:16 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:15 pm changed my mind overnight and dont think sig is mafia anymore. i think sabi/creature/jack contains at least 2.

think the game is being deepwolfed by probably exactly tutuu/one other player but im interested in just voting out a wolf today regardless of anything else
I could support this especially the sig isn’t mafia piece.

On my ISO list this phase is

Tuutuu
Wilgy
Jack
Creature
You (SPF)
Mac

And I’ll be doing a quick little reread of the people who are heavily the pushing the follow Allison legacy thoughts.

Ah the best laid plans hey.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:29 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:12 pm I think I can believe that there's 1 between Jack/Creature.

But man, my gut is screaming that there's one between Sig/Tutuu.

Mainly because I acknowledge that the scenario where I'm wrong about Sig only exists if they are correct about Tutuu I think.

I promise I’d be playing a much sneakier game if I was mafia much sneakier like so sneaky oooo you don’t know how sneaky I’d have been

Cmon lol

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:22 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:20 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:17 pm @Seanzie @Creature talk to be about SPF
If there aren't at least two wolves in SPF/Mac/Bereft, the game makes no sense.
I will say I’m beginning to get very bad vibes from Mac, mainly after skimming rondo ISO, but The issue with that is I don’t think mafia Mac would be faking this level of angst about a dumpster fire of town. I think he’d be gleeful about it

sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:46 am @DrWilgy
@Seanzie
@falcon45ca
@Jackofhearts2005
@Creature
@sig

If you had a bullet who would you kill? If you had a vest, who would you shield?
I’d shoot tuutuu and vest you (Sig plays buddying attempt it was very effective)

No progression here. He's blatantly just trying to buddy me.

Just read the last few posts of his iso. If he's town we're fucked but he's just not.

@Creature @sig can y'all town it up please?

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:05 pm sabi invitational flashbacks

What's the explanation for your non participation today?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:59 pm A wolf pelt is a wolf pelt and the fact that Jack even says that sig is in his poe but wants to kill the wagon is odd.

Hard agree.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:57 pm Sig/Jack is a possibility since Jack is trying to divert from that wagon.

Would it be that blatant? Idk maybe

Yes cuz they can maybe win today.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:50 pm @MacDougall @DrWilgy @Sabiplz @Bereft

Sig is in my solve. However, he's far far far behind Creature and Tutuu in terms of wolfiness. Both Creature and Tutuu have a pov that is damn near impossible for a townie to have at this stage in the game. Creature is clearly coasting. SPF cased Creature as outside of his town meta and wolves ignored it D1. It is D4 and he has coasted through every single day when he could have been yeeted and yet he has not lost any morale or done any work. He's a wolf every time. Tutuu is pushing an absolute garbage POE and has turned on townreads like SPF, Dennis and myself almost purely in self defense. She does not really believe those reads. She has also treated these slots with the mocking tone of a wolf on D4 who has a full team. Practically putting her thumbs in her ears and sticking her tongue out at us. It is not the mindset of a townie on the verge of a loss and she is also a wolf every time. Sig is likely to be a wolf by POE but the case on him is flimsy to the point of nonexistence next to how obviously both Tutuu and Creature are wolves. Tutuu is voting for Sig. We're potentially 1 misyeet away from a loss. I think it's important to yeet Creature or Tutuu today.

I think that also means consolidating on Creature or Tutuu @staypositivefriend @falcon45ca @Seanzie @Dennis. I don't particularly care which, though I think Creature is unlikely to be the Zealot on account of wolves would be perfectly happy "yeeting" the Zealot but they've never managed or even made much of an attempt to "bus" Creature. Tutuu received strong pressure for the first time today and probably has a standard 1/5 chance of being the Zealot (or 1/4 if you assume Creature is never the Zealot).

So I think we should consolidate on Creature but if we'd prefer to consolidate on Tutuu, I'm fine with that, too. I think yeeting Sig today would be a mistake.

Sig is in your POE and has to be a wolf but yeeting him is a mistake?

Sussy sussy.

Speak nerds

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:17 pm So the end of day 2 wagon is interesting.

Roxy 4: Creature, Baudib1, Alison, Lucy

What chance of this wagon being pure pure given the context?

I wouldn't imagine that the entire mafia team stacks Alison.

There's already two dead town and the other is Oracle.

I think this just outs Creature?
Of course because wolves are mechanically obliged to be present in every wagon with four votes

Mafia are obligated to vote. They are obligated to vote in a way that achieves mafia goals. They are disinclined to vote in a way that causes lockstep. There are very few places they can reasonably be on day 2. One of those is voting Roxy. You are the only non confirmed town voting there. Why would there not be a mafia voting there? If you are town why are one of the 5 mafia not voting Roxy? When you give me your answer, I expect you to then have a much narrower POE because if you are town, you have a perfect understanding of what the mafia actually actively did on day 2. The fact you haven't been solving with this in mind already is indicative of lack of town solving mindset imo.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:38 pm I could swap Sabi for idk Porscha. I’m scum reading Sabi off that one post alone. Wilgy could also potentially be town.

I don’t think there’s a world with town Tutuu or town Creature. I’m very concerned that one is just the zealot and we’ll have a shit time after getting essentially no yeet today. But there’s nothing we can do about that possibility.

Yeah there is. If there's a Zealot it's only Creature or Tutuu so vote out sig.

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:30 pm Oh so that's why the wolves have been running interference all day.
So you're saying its beneficial for the wolves to get the Zealot run up with votes at the end of the day, correct?

This might explain why I feel the way I feel about Tutuu and why my POE that she seemed to be captain of suddenly have started voting her without any clarification as to why.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:22 pm Mac are u confident about jack being town?

Yeah his current view of the gamestate being what it is is a strong mindmeld. Especially given he's clearly not pocketing me while having it so it's legitimate town mindset.

@Sabiplz do you think Tutuu's townlock of you is a real read?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:58 pm Sig
Creature

pick one imo
Can you explain the wolf case on sig.

From what I saw live, I didn't like his Eod3 with the whole timing Roxy flip. Idk.

I haven't really come up with any specific. I just think through process of elimination, wagonomics and general production/appearance he's the least likely town player atm alongside Creature.

Creature I kinda have a more relevant read on in the sense that I think Creature's curve has been starting townier and getting slowly scummier which is like the complete inverse of his usual town curve. He doesn't have Creature tinfoil. Is tolerant of being pushed in a weird way. Keeps making shotgun votes and reads. Its like as mafia he just doesn't have the energy or care factor to try to look town.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:49 pm The ... solve I am getting to looks less and less likely to have Tutuu in it hmmm.

I don't think Sig and Tutuu are partners. I also am not sure Wilgy and Tutuu make sense as partners.

Can Seanzie be this towny as mafia? Not Bereft?

Creature
Seanzie
Falcon
Sig
Dennis?
@Seanzie I am not sure there is a world where you and Falcon can both be town but you're townlocking him now? Earlier in the game you were questioning whether he was pocketing you by pushing me. Why are you townlocking him?

@falcon45ca talk me through your Seanzie read?
I have strongly townread Falcon almost all game. Doesn't mean I don't get paranoid at times though.

Yes but why?

Sig
Creature

pick one imo

You as town obsess over analysing the game through how people engage with you and its obvious you are lost because that's not happening. As mafia you wouldn't have this experience imo. Also you are blatantly angry I'm ignoring trying to solve you and as mafia you'd be quite content with me not. Also you're now sus that I townread you the way I did. You're obviously town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:49 pm The ... solve I am getting to looks less and less likely to have Tutuu in it hmmm.

I don't think Sig and Tutuu are partners. I also am not sure Wilgy and Tutuu make sense as partners.

Can Seanzie be this towny as mafia? Not Bereft?

Creature
Seanzie
Falcon
Sig
Dennis?

@Seanzie I am not sure there is a world where you and Falcon can both be town but you're townlocking him now? Earlier in the game you were questioning whether he was pocketing you by pushing me. Why are you townlocking him?

@falcon45ca talk me through your Seanzie read?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:45 pm Mac doing fuck all says Sabi in the middle of Mac solving harder than anyone has the entire game.
Mac doing fuck all to engage with me. Did you read the post. I'm saying people haven't solved me and just using Kate posts.

You are doing your wagonomics which is good but like I'm tLking about solving me ffs.

Sabi is sooooo obvious town for this post holy shit.

The ... solve I am getting to looks less and less likely to have Tutuu in it hmmm.

I don't think Sig and Tutuu are partners. I also am not sure Wilgy and Tutuu make sense as partners.

Can Seanzie be this towny as mafia? Not Bereft?

Creature
Seanzie
Falcon
Sig
Dennis?

Sabi you are not my priority atm. You're not scummy imo. You're POE because of your predecessor. I imagine if you were mafia you'd have figured out a tactical way to inject yourself by now. You're far more likely just lost town than mafia to me but your slot is unfortunately not out of POE range for a fair amount of obvious reasons.

Mac doing fuck all says Sabi in the middle of Mac solving harder than anyone has the entire game.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

I don't want to vote out fingersplints voters.

Of day 1 Alison voters Sig is the most likely hit.

Sig is not towny.

Alison
6
40%
Voters: falcon45ca, Neon, Jackofhearts2005, tutuu, sig, Dennis

Tbh I doubt it cuz Bereft is probably deep enough without it if Tutuu goes over. It's actually unnecessary and possibly backfires. I think Bereft is just town.

I think in Tutuu town worlds Bereft always mafia.
In Tutuu maf worlds we only lose to a Bereft distancing play?

@staypositivefriend @Jackofhearts2005 what are your feelings towards the idea Tutuu might be trying to spew Bereft town?

Given the nature of that POE the only FS voter that can exist in that world is tutuu. Bereft maybe. I'm happy to proclaim there's always at least one mafia between them honestly. Which means 4 not 5 in the above. Maybe 3 if Tutuu started pushing Bereft to distance.

It's possible that Tutuu's agenda today has been antispew and Bereft and Dennis are Tutuu partners she's trying to spew town given how in the cross-hairs Tutuu has been today.

fingersplints: 8
Alison t
Baudib1 t
Bereft
lucy t
MacDougall t
RondoDimBuckle t
staypositivefriend
tutuu

FS wagon is very pure. There's literally no more than 1 wolf here imo and maybe 0. Wolves didn't flock to this wagon when I created it clearly. If there's a wolf voting here it's purely for optics cuz killing Alison was the desired outcome for the mafia imo.

Alison: 7
falcon45ca
fingersplints t
Jackofhearts2005
Neon t
Roxy t
sig
Seanzie

3 town here so far as well.

Jack is probably ok for the vote. Seanzie is probably playing career best wolfgame if he is. Leaves just sig and Falcon on it.

Sig
Falcon
Wilgy
Creature
Dennis
Kate/Sabi

imo contains 4-5 mafia. Falcon would be the most likely town here imo.

So in the day 1 tvt

Wilgy
Creature
Dennis
Kate

abstained from participating.

Always multiple mafia off wagon in the context. Further evidence for the POE.

Current VC halfway through d4

Bereft
1
6%
Voters: tutuu
Creature
4
24%
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, MacDougall, staypositivefriend, DrWilgy
Dennis
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
2
12%
Voters: Seanzie, Creature
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Jackofhearts2005
1
6%
Voters: Sabiplz
lucy
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
Porscha
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sabiplz
0
No votes
Voters: None
Seanzie
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
1
6%
Voters: Bereft
staypositivefriend
1
6%
Voters: falcon45ca
tutuu
2
12%
Voters: Dennis, sig
Jerry Falwell Jr. (Host/MoD/NP/Dead)
5
29%
Voters: Neon, RondoDimBuckle, Kate, S~V~S, Spacedaisy

fingersplints: 8
Alison
Baudib1
Bereft
lucy
MacDougall
RondoDimBuckle
staypositivefriend
tutuu

Alison: 6
falcon45ca
fingersplints
Jackofhearts2005
Neon
Roxy
sig

Baudib1: 2
DrWilgy
Seanzie

Roxy:
Creature
Dennis

Dennis : 1
Kate

Missed the Vote: 1
Porscha

@Seanzie your vote here is miscounted right? You said you ended on Alison not Baudib1?

So the end of day 2 wagon is interesting.

Roxy 4: Creature, Baudib1, Alison, Lucy

What chance of this wagon being pure pure given the context?

I wouldn't imagine that the entire mafia team stacks Alison.

There's already two dead town and the other is Oracle.

I think this just outs Creature?

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:09 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:04 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:32 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm

@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?
Go for it.
kk, so for both you and @Jackofhearts2005 how in the hell am I aligned with both sig and creature? Seems lazy.
Instead of making me figure out why I'm supposed to disassociate you why don't you give me the evidence to the contrary in an accessible format instead of just being snarky over some micro interaction I might have missed?
Literally read what I've posted today. How can I be your top scum read if you can't even do that?
I clearly have done that. Your arguments have been repeatedly of this nature. Just posturing bad faith. Since day 0.

You don't have to be with those 2 players to be mafia. You're not a scumread of mine because they are.
How so? I think a player to have read me today would realize I can't be aligned with Sig/Creature. Yes, because I find that arguments for me being wolf are for the most part bad OR they are a gut read that for some reason no one will just call a gut read. Summarizing my play this game as entirely bad faith posturing is also weak, I openly invite you to contest my world views and you don't.

Ok, so, instead of calling it a solve, call it a PoE? A solve would indicate you believe that to be the team of 5, but your team of 5 has what I think to be clear contradictions.

Errr ok call it a POE then.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:50 pm I can't figure out who is most likely wolf and I'm afraid it's too late

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:52 pm Hail Mary

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Hail Mary?

There's 24 hours left in this day.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:43 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:12 pm @staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature
This is my gth solve.
@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?
Go for it.
kk, so for both you and @Jackofhearts2005 how in the hell am I aligned with both sig and creature? Seems lazy.
The argument goes like this.

Tutuu has a wolf pov. Creature is not doing anything town Creature would do. Wolves.

Sabi’s evaluation of my evaluation of Tutuu was the most noncommittal wolfy nonsense. Wolf.

Wilgy using bad arguments to say Sig/Tutuu are not both wolves. Ergo, Wilgy and Sig also wolves.

Am I certain it’s Tutuu/Wilgy/Creature/Sabi/Sig? No.
Is that my best guess at this moment? Yes.
A townie incorrectly put in that solve can and should try to make their way out of it.

Jack is now locktown thank fuck that someone is.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:32 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:12 pm @staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature
This is my gth solve.
@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?
Go for it.
kk, so for both you and @Jackofhearts2005 how in the hell am I aligned with both sig and creature? Seems lazy.
Instead of making me figure out why I'm supposed to disassociate you why don't you give me the evidence to the contrary in an accessible format instead of just being snarky over some micro interaction I might have missed?
Literally read what I've posted today. How can I be your top scum read if you can't even do that?

I clearly have done that. Your arguments have been repeatedly of this nature. Just posturing bad faith. Since day 0.

You don't have to be with those 2 players to be mafia. You're not a scumread of mine because they are.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:30 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:27 pm Also, lol Mac doesn't have a real read on me regardless of his own alignment.
You are my top scum. I have zero agreement with any of your solve. I don't buy anything you are saying any time you actually attempt to solve. You townread my scumreads for no reason and are trying to solve using abstract world concepts instead of pointing out what is simply suspicious.

So no. Spare me.
k, and just go ahead and keep calling me scum while not discussing with me those concepts you call abstract. By all means go for it. You have shown 0 incentive to actually engage with me and my world views, but somehow oppose them so much that I must be wolf.

Okay.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:12 pm @staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature
This is my gth solve.
@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?
Go for it.
kk, so for both you and @Jackofhearts2005 how in the hell am I aligned with both sig and creature? Seems lazy.

Instead of making me figure out why I'm supposed to disassociate you why don't you give me the evidence to the contrary in an accessible format instead of just being snarky over some micro interaction I might have missed?

aLsO lOl MaC LmAo RoFlBuRgEr

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:27 pm Also, lol Mac doesn't have a real read on me regardless of his own alignment.

You are my top scum. I have zero agreement with any of your solve. I don't buy anything you are saying any time you actually attempt to solve. You townread my scumreads for no reason and are trying to solve using abstract world concepts instead of pointing out what is simply suspicious.

So no. Spare me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:12 pm @staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature
This is my gth solve.
@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?

Go for it.

My reads are now

Town with confidence

SPF
Bereft
Jack
Lucy
Falcon
Porscha

Scum with confidence

Creature
Wilgy

3 scum here in order of most to least likely

Tutuu
Sabi
Sig
Dennis
Seanzie

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:55 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:26 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:22 pm [VOTE: jack] aubergine
What are you even doing? Like I am wracking my brain for a world where your mindset as a townie when it’s D4 with no dead wolves and we have 2 misyeets left and no consensus and like…this is the way town Tutuu reacts to that situation. Not just this. Your last like six posts. You read like a wolf who is having fun cause she’s winning and is feeling no pressure and thinks she can power through.
@Sabiplz
@MacDougall
@sig

Ya’ll too.

I feel like Tutuu’s mindset here can’t come from a townie, here. Follow me or argue or get outted or whatever.

I haven't been townreading Tutuu for quite some time. And I'm townreading you. So ... maybe your worldview should shift given that.

@staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:18 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:38 pm Tutuu has ruthlessly pushed town near exclusively while doing nothing but blatantly pocket others. She is mafia.
yeah? lets go over the flipped town

finger - i voted her with you
alison - i voted her with you
roxy - i honored alison's reads, u voted me
rondo - i townread him
neon - i townread her
baudib - i townread him

lol!

This post always comes from a wolf mindset imo.

You are trying to dismiss my argument by pointing out to me that hey you're town and did it to. This argument almost always comes from the wolf mindset because it requires perfect information on my alignment to actually assume that its a good argument. If your intent in doing this was to brand me scummy it would be different but ultimately it's clear your goal with this post is to simply get me to stop suspecting you with a side of making me look dumb with the lol at the end.

You also are arguing in bad faith with the argument I voted Alison on day 2 when I ended the day on SPF. If you meant to imply I voted there earlier then why are you then referencing my eod vote when talking about my d3.

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