The Syndicate

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:28 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:43 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:43 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:42 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:41 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:40 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:39 pm no like actually what has porscha done we have to stop MLing porscha lol

if there's even a chance she's town im not touching her

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

@Millium

@Chamomile

@EnderWiggin

@ilario

can you give me a 1-2 sentence reason to why you're voting porscha?

Wagon comp + minimal reads + L + Ratio

are we going to joke and say that's indicative of w!porscha?

Idk usually i can find her pretty quickly and I can't here, if she's town skill issue on my part ig

If Nanook is town, this makes me feel better because these are people that can also read Porscha fairly well lol

and when porscha flips V you'll be able to blame those pesky porscha voters that can read her well for getting her alignment wrong?

this doesnt feel like tmi

Get real man you are acting like Lilypetal is fucking Hydreigon25. Have you actually seen Lilypetal wolf?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:42 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:41 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:40 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:39 pm See this is what I mean, I bounce my vote around and every time it’s met with “omg, why does this person deserve this many votes”

i mean i checked vc and she had 5 votes

and i just looked at her iso and saw nothing bad

so im rightfully confused?

So can you explain why you believe I’m scummy then?

how about u dont vote lhf the entire game if ur town

Not only is Lily absolutely fiercely defensive of Porscha (who was straight up in her obvious wolf meta)...

Lily is burying Arogame for sussing her.

Like, Lilypetal is a must resolve.

Or at least let's agree that this, and this alone, puts Lilypetal into the firm POE for us to continue to look for reasons to resolve. Can we agree on that?

Now like...

Lilypetal can read Porscha.

Porscha isn't a hard read.

How is Lilypetal not just outed for those posts?

I know you agree you already said he was. So that's great. @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you have been upgraded to incontrovertible town by all participants. You will now be getting night killed in this game because you are a green check.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:42 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:41 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:40 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:39 pm no like actually what has porscha done we have to stop MLing porscha lol

if there's even a chance she's town im not touching her

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

@Millium

@Chamomile

@EnderWiggin

@ilario

can you give me a 1-2 sentence reason to why you're voting porscha?

Wagon comp + minimal reads + L + Ratio

are we going to joke and say that's indicative of w!porscha?

Idk usually i can find her pretty quickly and I can't here, if she's town skill issue on my part ig

Nanook is

Lock town

Agreed?

@ilario start here with me. Let's unpack this together.

viewtopic.php?p=975213#p975213

Hold that thought I'm downloading more information.

Okay Ilario let's play a game. I'm gonna pull a few quotes. You tell me why a town makes the post.

How the fuck are you gonna sit here and watch dyachei go through an entire mafia game burying town and low flying and completely disregard the possibility they are mafia the entire time?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:12 am lily is an awkward wet noodle as a wolf. i dont really think its her

Fucken bullshit she is. Lily is a beast.

Dya's top two scum

Rondo/Nanook

Ilario's little bait before?

MAC ASK YOURSELF WHO THE SCUMMIEST PLAYERS ARE IGNORING ALL EVIDENCE JUST THE TWO PLAYERS THAT ARE BEING THEIR USUAL OBSTINATE SELVES

nah man I think the jig is up

Ilario, have you read the day 1 back since it occurred?

On day you have 1 (possibly 2 if millium is one) wolf wagons.

You think the wolves are entirely players outside the arogame vote that contributed dick and balls to the actual outcome of arogame's death?

As opposed to a player who literally was townreading him, dropped it for no valid reason and then hard pushed him.

As opposed to a player who literally self voted instead of voting out Porscha.

As opposed to a player who literally made this post.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:44 am

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:42 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:41 am

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:37 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:33 am exercise for y'all

which players have confident reads they shouldn't have

I want to say Porscha on Lily tbh

why? lol

this is probably the most interesting take I could see

Bruh, weren’t u surprised as well with how confident she came to tr u at the time?

not a single bit lol porscha and I have played like a dozen games together in the past 2 months or so

she is one of my hydra partners after all :3

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:33 pm why do i have three votes? are yall that lazy to find a wolf in the people who have played?

@staypositivefriend @arogame123 @Tilgarial

Pop quiz. What are the alignments of these three slots?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:03 am Bro I just think you're mafia you're just ignoring all the stacks of evidence against actual wolves and pushing randoms. Dyachei, Lilypetal and Millium all hard threw themselves into saving Porscha. If there are no wolves in that group what the fuck were the mafia even doing?

Dyachei's day 1 was entirely comprised of antagonising townies (mostly Seanzie). Literally townreads Aro until EOD and comes in throws a random vote on him and then starts representing it like it was a godread.

Lilypetal was pretty much openwolfing to shield Porscha at times and pushing townies.

Millium straight up refused to self preservation vote Porscha, his wagon before it fell apart has nothing but dead town on it.

If there are no wolves in three three we deserve to lose.

And you're operating entirely around all of them.

If you aren't mafia then Lilypetal is almost always mafia for trying to convince me that you're the mafia instead of going after someone in this group (ie. Dyachei mainly).

I think there's probably a single town inside Lilypetal/Ilario/Dyachei/Millium. It's either Lilypetal or you I think.

Bro I just think you're mafia you're just ignoring all the stacks of evidence against actual wolves and pushing randoms. Dyachei, Lilypetal and Millium all hard threw themselves into saving Porscha. If there are no wolves in that group what the fuck were the mafia even doing?

Dyachei's day 1 was entirely comprised of antagonising townies (mostly Seanzie). Literally townreads Aro until EOD and comes in throws a random vote on him and then starts representing it like it was a godread.

Lilypetal was pretty much openwolfing to shield Porscha at times and pushing townies.

Millium straight up refused to self preservation vote Porscha, his wagon before it fell apart has nothing but dead town on it.

If there are no wolves in three three we deserve to lose.

And you're operating entirely around all of them.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:01 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:00 pm So I dont have to bother looking at this thread anymore while I'm busy, and stress myself out.

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine
Good luck

Bruh wisp ;/

Plz don’t do this, you can self pres on Porscha. Why are you doing this??

A fair and valid question indeed

Belzy and Nanook
3rd place is you

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:52 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:34 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:23 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:22 am Esp if we hit a wolf I can just rb belzy plus one other person

And then say a kp goes through the night then the other person might be clear

Mac you should seriously consider this if you think I’m town and can trust me

It is going to heavily depend on who's getting chopped instead.

@MacDougall let me ask you something

take flips out of the game. take out the fact on perceived player skill. whose been right. whose been wrong. remove all that and focus purely on posting. take out the idea of how you would expect certain slots to play if theyre mafia or town, pretend these are all strangers to you. take out spew as well.

tell me who are the 2 most scummiest slots/2 least towny slots to you

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:50 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:52 pm I just don't feel like aro believes any of his votes so far lol

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:55 pm [VOTE: millium] aubergine

choo choo

Bruh

@Millium bruh how u be townreading Lily from your vantage point if town?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:52 pm I just don't feel like aro believes any of his votes so far lol

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:55 pm [VOTE: millium] aubergine

choo choo

Bruh

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:52 pm Wisp Voters: Seanzie, Belzy, MacDougall, staypositivefriend (+Alison in spirit)

This slot literally cannot be town...

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:29 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:28 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:27 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:27 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:25 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:23 pm Ok I did an ISO of dyachei and now I think they should be in the upper POE because I didn't like their approach to Seanzie. Asked me why I was townreading him, I gave a strong meta reason which Illario +1'd, and they didn't seem to take that into account at all... plus their suspicion of him stays even after he demonstrated the behaviors that they were suspecting him for not demonstrating. Such as having strong opinions on who is mafia.

The rest of their posts are shrug. Flat one liners that don't move me much one way or the other. If it wasn't for the Seanzie thing I might well come back and still have a shrug read on them.

yes because i was trying to get a feel for what you were doing in thread. I dont blindly follow your reads and you know that

Do you agree with the logic of the read? ie. Do you agree with me when I say that Seanzie not caring how people read him is a towntell, and that Seanzie has not cared how people read him this game?

I don't think that's a town tell for him, no.

ok. I see you have improved your opinion on Seanzie after he started doing things as well. So perhaps you aren't treating Seanzie as poorly as I thought.

What are your reads on Wisp, aro and Porscha?

aro is a scum lean, wisp is a v lean, and no read on porscha

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:50 pm V
mac
ilario
millium

v lean
spf

scum lean
aro
seanzie
alison

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:10 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:02 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:20 pm top 2 town and top 2 mafia?

Currently?

Nanook and Lily.

Belzy and Dya. Maybe Neon instead of Dya.

Actually Wisp and Lily.

I forgot how towny votecount on D1 is for Wisp.

Lilypetal is pretty convinced that if there's a wolf that's trying to snow me here that it's Ilario.

Do you really think that we'd be in this gamestate if the solve was 3 of Belzy/Dya/Neon/Porscha without Ilario playing the way that he has intentionally to support them? If I think of that mafia team, I struggle to see how Ilario would have had to have accidentally wolfsided to the degree that he would have to make it viable.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:38 am Good morning everyone. I just woke up. I see everyone is still voting me. Do I even should try today?

I would heavily encourage it yes. Read my last few posts before you made this one. Ilario is apparently currently lobbying to give you the day for reasons I am not entirely sure of. @ilario explain to Belzy your logic.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:26 am I suppose it should right? Since roles were made before alignment so for the items to have a negative effect or to be duds then it would have had to have been designed after the rand.. I think? Idk I’m not good with setup spec and stuff like that

Do we have literally zero confirmation any of them have worked so far?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:23 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:22 am Esp if we hit a wolf I can just rb belzy plus one other person

And then say a kp goes through the night then the other person might be clear

Mac you should seriously consider this if you think I’m town and can trust me

It is going to heavily depend on who's getting chopped instead.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:19 am Mac what’s ur method of late game solving ?

Find the ones who don't care about the town winning the game and kill them.

We have just over 12 hrs to sort through some shit here let's turn this into a pressure cooker the mafia cannot operate in. Positive solving vibes only. Questions directed politely and answered earnestly. Let's get it all out and on the same page.

The current slots are at risk of imminent death if they don't start townsiding with thread content immediately.

@Belzy
@RondoDimBuckle
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

From this point forth I am enacting be townie and help solve or die and get blamed for it in postgame policy.

Intentional obstinance will not be tolerated.

Shitposting, refusing to provide useful analysis, intentional fuckery and slanking are all not permitted.

All town should insist on this decree being upheld by virtue of abiding by it in order to make the game easier.

Thanks Rondo.

Belzy
Ender
Neon/Dya?

Belzy
Neon
Dya

Belzy - Were towny in terms of projecting a tone of innocence day 1. Have been entirely unable to produce anything to help the town wincon since. Claims that they lied to me (and the rest of the game) about their role. They are not a desparado neighboriser they are a loveriser so if they die I die. They promised they would show up today to town it up but so far haven't. They have been progressively scummier in hood chat too, and have not really solved or shown any town solving mindset in days instead using appeals to emotion and acting caught for bad reasons. If they are town we're fucked so let's hope they aren't, but I'm not 100% convinced yet they are mafia. Pretty confident but that means not much in this game.

dyachei - Claims to have a role where if they are first to vote in lylo the day ends immediately. Outside of that they have largely solved in opposition to me, outside of their Arogame d1 read I have not fully comprehended any of their reads and they've been lowkey. If there has been a schism in this game it's been Team Ilario/Dya vs. Team Mac/Ender, which ironically now that i've stated it makes me feel like Ender/Dya together might actually mean something. Anyway the only thing I'm town reading dya for is that they've done pretty much everything they could to NOT pocket me. It's probably the worst reason I have to town read someone.

EnderWiggin - If they are mafia I will have never been snowed harder by anyone. They have not made a single post either during engaging with me or when I've read them talking to others that didn't just bleed town. There are some circumstantial things against them, their voting history isn't amazing, nor is their claim and the players they chose to post curse have now both flipped town. I also think that there was a bit of inauthenticity in their Porscha interactions, and they were a bit hedgy towards Porscha. This is a slow where my head says mafia but every fibre of my intuition is convinced they are town.

Lilypetal - Similar to Ender tbh. They have had immaculate tone and been really authentic and outside of the way they handled the Porscha shit are my ride or die. They just have to remain my ride or die for sanity purposes.

Millium - The day 1 vote logic is starting to point at them being just town. If they are mafia, it is most likely with Dyachei and/or Neon. I think Millium has had moments where I feel like I am looking at a player that I am used to (wolf Wisp) and then sometimes there's a new player there I don't have much meta on (town Wisp) which is to say that I think they are well north of the null line for me atm. I have seen no evidence to suggest that they have wolfsided with their role ability either as I used their doctor they gave to me on Lily last night and neither of us are damaged.

Nanook - If you look at this game by level 1 poe, then Nanook is just an outed mafia. But in Nanook land that means he probably should be my top town. If Nanook arrives on day 4 in the POE it's usually because he wasn't trying to not be in one. Which means he's town.

Neon - They have hit a fairly large chunk of wolf tells. Tons of ate, trying to downplay their skill, very questionable mech play. Their role doesn't really even make much sense. They haven't exactly been wolfy outside of that but ... they probably have been the least townie too. Hmmm. Articulating this aloud is making me think Neon might be my top scumread?

Rondo - When he posts he bleeds the essence of "random guy who is just saying what he thinks" which is just town af for Rondo cuz he is a wifom goblin as mafia and would probably have 2x the postcount if he was.

Ender/Neon/Dya?

Lol

this game has an insane amount of mech and context that it would require a lot more catching up than you possibly could have done

I will try

@RondoDimBuckle I just want you to focus on Ender for now. You should have the best ability to tell whether he is town or not here.

God damn the wolves in this game have immaculate tone and are posting exactly what is required to snow me. I need other town to figure this out I'm being subverted hard.

also because it's true and I don't like having my insecurities highlighted lol

I'm just sick of constantly hearing about how much of an egoist I am because I dare play the game with some confidence.

Millium wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:25 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:21 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:17 pm wolves are all just not playing or barely playing while we are all dying

with a bunch of egos destroying themselves from the inside out, yes
but no one really falls under that except betzy/Nanook/Rondo at this point

your constant attacking this idea of people having too much ego is pretty tiresome... can you come up with some new material to make everyone collectively feel inferior to you?

no since this site has been pretty tiresome in both recent experiences I've had here
and I think it was a genuine answer to Illario's question either way
its not like we've never been in games like that before im sure

you attacking our entire community out if the gate because you got scumread is also poor form

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:22 pm Who are the towniest towns of all time? Think about it man. Nanook, nanook, nanook, nanook, and nanook, because i spit hot fire

ngl this is the first actual scummy post you've made lol

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:24 pm im not confident in my mafia reads after belzy. but probably rondo/ender

I think neon and lily are...idk how to put this. too egocentric to be wolves?

Did you know Rondo and Ender are irl personal friends with extensive irl mafia experience together?

Millium wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:21 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:17 pm wolves are all just not playing or barely playing while we are all dying

with a bunch of egos destroying themselves from the inside out, yes
but no one really falls under that except betzy/Nanook/Rondo at this point

your constant attacking this idea of people having too much ego is pretty tiresome... can you come up with some new material to make everyone collectively feel inferior to you?

take belzy out soz

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:20 pm top 2 town and top 2 mafia?

@all

top 2 town and top 2 mafia?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:17 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:09 pm I just... should ... scumread the players here most capable of snowing me?

Neon, Rondo, Nanook?

I've spent no meaningful time trying to fool you specifically lol, this is exactly the sort of game you tr me for

yeah well if you notice I'm currently reaching hard to figure this shit out so I'm looking past my basic reasons to townread literally the entire playerlist

Always level 1 me, you know this

ok you're a wolf for openly preventing Alison from using her role

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:09 pm I just... should ... scumread the players here most capable of snowing me?

Neon, Rondo, Nanook?

I've spent no meaningful time trying to fool you specifically lol, this is exactly the sort of game you tr me for

yeah well if you notice I'm currently reaching hard to figure this shit out so I'm looking past my basic reasons to townread literally the entire playerlist