The Syndicate

No I have better reasons than what you're saying but I don't really think they're strong enough for you not to rebuke despite me thinking they're good.

I thought you were the 3p initially because you were playing in a unique way that was like yin to Rondo's yan and I could tell Rondo was the town 3p.

I also find your handling of suspicion in this game to be extremely defensive. You are more interested in shielding others and perpetuating the prevalent "game is hard" mentality that the mafia 3p would want to push so as to extend the game as long as possible to find the coin.

I thought your shitting on me during the eod state was super scummy ate on others. Using me as a punching bag to protect town.

I find your lack of productive scum hunting on day 2 bad.

I find your approach to attacking me and expressing that I have no good read on you or that my reasons suck to be insincere given I've not supplied any. From the get go rather than asking me to elaborate or trying to read me in good faith you instead just shat on me.

But I do townread you now in spite of all of that. Because I buy your emo reaction. In spite of wishing I didn't.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:06 pm Hollowkatt would be swimming with the fishes right now if not for the fact that I know I'd be dead n1 100% of the time if he had a choice. So at best he's maf 3p.

If Dizzy got taken off the table I'd probably put a bullet in Arcbell first.
I'm hurt, sir, that you underestimate my pocketing skills that much.
I N1 Seanzie every time

why?

Hollowkatt would be swimming with the fishes right now if not for the fact that I know I'd be dead n1 100% of the time if he had a choice. So at best he's maf 3p.

If Dizzy got taken off the table I'd probably put a bullet in Arcbell first.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:50 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:15 pm Rondo (5): Lime Coke, Lag, Dyslexicon, Dragon D. Luffy, Mizery
Dizzy (4): NotAnAxehole, MacDougall, srceenplay, RondoDimBuckle
Arcbell (1): porscha
Jack (1): HK
Axe (1): Arcbell
Porscha (1): Jack
I could see everyone on my wagon being town (3p), No need for mafia to get on if Mac is town and leading the charge.

Lag caring about voting Rondo over me, I find towny. As well as his play overall here.

I'm looking more so at the outside voters here.

a lot of falcon non voters outside there iirc

If you find yourself in that situation as town sometimes the optimal thing to do is nothing. Wait and watch. You should realistically have a better vantage point for who is being opportunistic. If I am scumreading you it's probably likely you have been pocketed by scum or someone has had TMI on you. You should be able to feel out who has been benefiting most from me scumreading you.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:39 pmHe was a town for all intents and purposes. Can't win unless town does. Town.

I'd rather have chopped a wolf personally than someone I was entirely convinced was not one.

You may be town. You may not have wanted him chopped. But nothing gives you the right to speak to me and about me the way you have in this game. I'm beyond insulted.
I'm sorry, Mac.

I appreciate it.

You have literally been attacking me since day 1 in this game. Making snide remarks about me and how I play since day 1. I was asleep during eod 2 and rather than try to solve the game you were attacking me for scumreading you WHILE I SLEPT.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:41 pmIt's very unreasonable for you to speak about me this way given you helped chop Rondo who I was shielding. I'd appreciate if you'd shut the duck up.
First of all, he was fucking 3p. Just like I said immediately (though I thought we had 3 harmful 3ps at the time).
He didn't care if town or mafia got chopped as long as it wasn't him.

Second, I came to town read Rondo and voted many other people above Rondo that EoD. I argued against BOTH OF US being the chop options, because it was idiotic. I self pressed last minute and the votes should have been 4/4 if Lag didn't also hop on last second. And I'm glad, cause Ronald was 3p, so who cares.

He was a town for all intents and purposes. Can't win unless town does. Town.

I'd rather have chopped a wolf personally than someone I was entirely convinced was not one.

You may be town. You may not have wanted him chopped. But nothing gives you the right to speak to me and about me the way you have in this game. I'm beyond insulted.

But I'm the one farting a wet fart or whatever. Dyslexicon can't even summon a reasonable scumread and apparently I'm supposed to be townreading ate and insults.

No I didn't.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:26 pm If I'm wrong I don't know what we're doing here.

Dizzy says my reads are generally bad and my gameplay is same as usual - I literally vote parked mafia D1. I've never vote parked someone on this site and held till EoD. What is my average volume on TS? It has to be more than 33 through almost 2 days of gameplay?

Jack calls out this read as fake, but then is like... Dizzy is lying about their reads, must be town...

WHAT?

Like stop it, everyone should unvote me at once, that's a travesty, if they're both town, I don't want to win.

Dizzy is also attacking me like I've gamethrown after burying mafia d1 and then trying to protect the town sided 3p Dizzy and friends yeeted d2.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:53 pm
Lag wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:29 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:23 pm
Lag wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:18 pm [VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine
Troublemaker. Why of all people, do you vote the towniest town in town?
Well, for one, I disagree on DIzzy being the towniest town in town
But two, Mac mentioned a Dizzy + Jack pairing, and then I remembered that Jack tried to start a Porscha wagon to save Dizzy, and while I think that wagon in particular isn't actually bad, I even townread Jack for that choice.
A w/w pairing between Dizzy and Jack could actually make a lot of sense.
Yes Jack sold out hard for Dizzy. If they are wolves then Jack is the one that is aware of both of their alignments. If Dizzy is not a wolf then Jack is also probably not one.

The bar for ability to sound towny needs to be raised. Neither Dyslexicon nor Jack are the obvious towns they purport to be in this particular game. Both summon towny sounding content in order to survive or pocket others.

Dyslexicon's eod was way too manipulative for me.
Duck right off a cliff with your literal shit. I'm not taking any of this from you today. I'm not in the fucking mood.

Explain what was "manipulative". WHY. Why is this my scum play rather than my town play. I await eagerly. You have played with me many times.

You really need to be less of a psycho when pushed. It makes me want to policy never play mafia with you tbh. You're being exceptionally toxic in this game.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:21 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:19 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:18 pmftfy
= (

Thank you. I'm going to bed. Sorry for my posting.
That was a little bit too much self pity.

But really, the more I'm considering, the less I understand. I really hate that I forget pronouns considering my own relationship to that. And I also don't especially like to yell at people, even if Mac is farting the wettest farts.

But also, happy Easter YELLOW

It's very unreasonable for you to speak about me this way given you helped chop Rondo who I was shielding. I'd appreciate if you'd shut the duck up.

Attacking me personally all full aggro is super lame regardless of your alignment. So far my only confirmed reads in this game have all been accurate except seanzie. I dunno why I deserve immense criticism from you aside from if you're mafia using ate.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:59 pm If you all can't tell, I am DISPLEASED with Mac.

Which makes no sense and is clearly fake as hell.

Dizzy stole the screenplay read off me holus bolus.

Dizzy's Porscha read is nonsense.

Him being mad that I 3p read him flies given I now think he's packwolf.

Dizzy spent most of day 2 acting like convincing me he was town was the most important thing in the universe. To the complete absolution of solving the game.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:55 pm
Lag wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:29 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:23 pm
Lag wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:18 pm [VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine
Troublemaker. Why of all people, do you vote the towniest town in town?
Well, for one, I disagree on DIzzy being the towniest town in town
But two, Mac mentioned a Dizzy + Jack pairing, and then I remembered that Jack tried to start a Porscha wagon to save Dizzy, and while I think that wagon in particular isn't actually bad, I even townread Jack for that choice.
A w/w pairing between Dizzy and Jack could actually make a lot of sense.
I also tried pretty hard to save dizzy. Jack also tried to save me.

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Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:31 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:45 pm I'm gonna suggest Dizzy is the maf 3p and Jack is the solo maf.
Ok, let's kill Jack first then.

Anyway. You talking yourself into a scum read on me when it's god damn obvious I'm not is the reason Sean died and you didn't lol. Sean is the first person who would call it out if I was scum here. He and HK is probably the only people I've seen being able to read me quite consistently.

I get that you hate my Rondo read, but I stand by it (though I'm not as sold anymore tbh). I've explained why, and I'm also sheeping Sean on this, as I sheeped Sean on D1, because he's a better town player than I am in terms of reads. My biggest value as town is to not get chopped, because I'm towny and I just don't get chopped. So you looking for another suspect and finding me is particularly anti-town and annoying here. Most people are not paying a lot of attention and will sheep whoever has a strong read.

Your theory about me being 3p is random and dumb. I didn't even know what the 3ps was going into the game, if you payed attention.

Going into today I though scum was Rondo/Arc or Rondo/you. I think Arc has been fine today, and I think you're following actual things and ideas that are coming up into your head instead of just bullshitting everything, so you're most likely town. Like how you went "Shit, Arc might be town. I must now suspect someone else. Let's suspect Dizzy."

It really did look to me like Rondo had tmi on Falcon while at the same time trying to make anything else happen. I was thinking Falcon/Rondo even before Falcon flipped because of their interaction, and when Sean verified that, I definitely thought so. It was just weird as fuck. I do think Rondo has been slightly better today, showing some actual thinking. Maybe. But I don't really buy that he thinks I'm mafia tbh.

Other suspicions includes HK and Jack. HK because of Sean and that he asked why Falcon, but ended up voting Falcon anyway. I know he said he sheeped his town reads. Which is fine. I did the same thing when I voted Falcon, mostly. Jack is someone I often mindmeld with etc. I find him coming off kind of tame/generic this game. I don't get any read off of him tbh.

I still think Porscha is town, though I have little experience with them. I get what Arc was saying when he suggested Porscha wanted to be scum read, which I thought was a good observation on Arc's part. I think Screen spewed himself town by defending Falcon in a way that was just complaining without trying to offer up alternatives. I'll read the reference game you gave me on Rondo now, to see if that changes my already diffuse perspective on him.

Mizery is very background. Don't actually have a read on her. No read on Lag either, thought their posts where fine.

I really wish Sean was here.
I thought this was a pretty solid towny brain dump, mac thinking he was 3p doesn't seem like something dizzy would be so scornful of if he actually was just faking not knowing about 3p mechanics. I think he needs to be the teamed wolf if wolf at all, and even though that's consistent with your theory where jack (Glom) tries to save dizzy, it's probably best to chop for Glom first since their flip always gives us more info (excepting kill info) and we have more partner info on them.

Dizzy talking so much about why I didn't die over Seanzie is most likely just because he is the one who made said kill. Which flies with the bolded point anyway.

Also note that Dizzy's solve contains a pairing of me/Rondo. Which is literally never a real thought from Dizzy.

If you actually read this post none of these thoughts are logical towny thoughts.

Mizery wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:14 pm I'm on page 5 and am still lost with what's happening

Why are you on page 5?

Lag wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:29 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:23 pm
Lag wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:18 pm [VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine
Troublemaker. Why of all people, do you vote the towniest town in town?
Well, for one, I disagree on DIzzy being the towniest town in town
But two, Mac mentioned a Dizzy + Jack pairing, and then I remembered that Jack tried to start a Porscha wagon to save Dizzy, and while I think that wagon in particular isn't actually bad, I even townread Jack for that choice.
A w/w pairing between Dizzy and Jack could actually make a lot of sense.

Yes Jack sold out hard for Dizzy. If they are wolves then Jack is the one that is aware of both of their alignments. If Dizzy is not a wolf then Jack is also probably not one.

The bar for ability to sound towny needs to be raised. Neither Dyslexicon nor Jack are the obvious towns they purport to be in this particular game. Both summon towny sounding content in order to survive or pocket others.

Dyslexicon's eod was way too manipulative for me.

Lag wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:12 pm
Lag wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:04 pm I really want to know how Lag views me as trending down when I buried Falcon, tried to shield Rondo and was LC's top townread.
How many wolves do you think bussed?
Why does it matter? Find the wolfy slots and kill them.

I have come to think I had the solve exactly backwards and it's Dizzy wolf and Jack wolf 3p tbh.
VCA is a part of finding wolfy slots

You dodged my question to ask me something I view quite asinine.

VCA sure but to identify how many bussers is when the answer is 0 1 or 2 is not my idea of VCA that is valuable.

I would say the pack wolf would not have bussed except for quite late and the 3p wolf might be inclined to bus a little more readily but again they are >rand not to have.

Did both bus ... entirely possible.

To me 0 is possible. 1 is likely. 2 is possible.

Therefore it's essentially pointless to delve into.

Lag wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:04 pm I really want to know how Lag views me as trending down when I buried Falcon, tried to shield Rondo and was LC's top townread.
How many wolves do you think bussed?

Why does it matter? Find the wolfy slots and kill them.

I have come to think I had the solve exactly backwards and it's Dizzy wolf and Jack wolf 3p tbh.

I really want to know how Lag views me as trending down when I buried Falcon, tried to shield Rondo and was LC's top townread.

hating rondo's d1 reads confirms you have eyes... it says nothing about his alignment.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:11 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:59 am [VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

I could explain, but it wouldn't be convincing.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:00 am @MacDougall What do you find towny about Mixery?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:02 am I agree half way that Arc seems too smart to take Screen's opening seriously the way he did. But I'll let him speak to that.
Feels town through mindmeld

you mind melded the third point?

still thinking dyslexicon is the maf 3p tho... dizzy townreading falcon badly and falcon attacking dizzy flies in that world exactly...

Arcbell wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:43 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:14 pm Would you ever d1 hellbus with 2 maf and a lone wolf?
If I needed to.

Did I?

I have a great read on Falcon and people know it. As his partner I could have just prevented his death with little effort rather than cause it.
Under what circumstances would you need to? Like if your partner was already under heavy pressure from several other players and trying to save them would seal your fate if they ever flipped?

Tbh probably even in that situation I'd try to save him.

I've wolfed with Falcon a lot fwiw. I even had a wolf hydra game with him where he essential zero posted and I carried it and won. In no game I've wolfed with Falcon did I bus and he actually tried more here than he would there. He'd not be dead if I was mafia I assure you lol.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:25 pm
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MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:14 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:11 pm
Lag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:29 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:14 pm
Lag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:11 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:00 pm

your honor why would I dance naked in front of parliament, it would only lead to me sitting in this exact courtroom, facing this exact jail time
What was Mac's read on Rondo on day 1?
Why are you asking me this?
I feel a bit off-put by Rondo asking Mac why he didn't die night 1.

I was asking people why Seanzie died over Mac, both to try to get insight into day 1 without having to backread because I'm lazy

but also because I don't think any wolf actually kills Seanzie over Mac in a vacuum unless:
1) They don't know who Mac is
2) Mac is the wolf
3) Seanzie's suspicious of them but Mac is not
4) They think they can leave Mac alive until late game in order to get people to tin-foil Mac as a deep wolf.

I've tried doing #4, it doesn't work, Mac just finds all the wolves and kills them all before you get to LYLO.
#1 is a bit silly given that this is Mac's homesite.
#2 is self-resolving is kind of silly to suspect on day 2, I don't think Mac hell buses on day 1.

But doubly so because:
Mafia only knows who their teammate is. Glomgold knows who both of the mafia are.
A mafia choosing to hellbus literally their only known teammate on day 1 is a highly dubious play that I don't think anyone makes. It's a possible play to make as Glomgold though.

But because it is a play that's only made 50% of the time, the prior probability of someone being a deep wolf that's hell bussing is already half of what it is in a normal game.

So I think that just makes Mac >>rand town. And I think that's a fact that people intuitively understand about the setup even if they haven't thought about the prior probabilities and what not.

So then Rondo's questioning of Mac to "make sure he's not a deep wolf" feels a little bit misplaced. The line of questioning is useful in order to figure out who Seanzie was scumreading that Mac was townreading to potentially triangulate the wolf off of that. But asking Mac the question directly to "make sure he's not a deep wolf" ... feels weird.

If Mac did indeed town or null read Rondo on day 1 though, then that further contributes to the case against him. If he scum read him as much as Seanzie did, then meh
So hold on, why do you think the hellbus is possible as Glomgold but not as proper maf? Ime 2 mafs more or less have the same value whether they have a night chat or not, especially when one can't kill the other. Sure maf may not want a NK night but without any protective roles town doesn't gain a ML. Maybe mac would be a little lonely afterwards, but I don't think there's really a huge material difference if you think mac can hellbus as Glomgold. Unless maybe Glomgold wants to avoid a quick maf win or wants his partner to rely more heavily on him.

I don't know about this whole mac cult of personality thing. There probably aren't special rules that apply to him, even if players respect his reads more than most. You've tried to game paranoia by leaving him alive so why wouldn't others try (and fail) too?

I like how you're trying to triangulate a scumread on Rondo but I think maybe it requires a few too many assumptions to stick? Esp. about Rondo's state of mind.

I took the whole "wanting to make sure he's not a deepwolf" as just some comfort seeking, didn't seem too unnatural.

Oh also maybe seanzie died because maf was sure seanzie wasn't Golmgold but mac might've been lol. Honestly maf should've nk'd on n1 to force us to auto-lim mac.
You too will join the cult. They all fall.

Would you ever d1 hellbus with 2 maf and a lone wolf?
[/quote]

If I needed to.

Did I?

I have a great read on Falcon and people know it. As his partner I could have just prevented his death with little effort rather than cause it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:23 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:54 pm I'm still adjusting to not clicking on every spoiler I see in thread
Protip: turn off signatures in control panel

but my sig is too good.

it goes on Jack

good Jacky boy get u some readz

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:05 pm I guess we’ve gotten to the point where Persoba 3 and wrestling and baseball aren’t a good enough excuse for my performance.

Don’t worry. I’m done with my work and at full capacity tomorrow. I’m not getting yeeted this phase.
you will be hammered by then lol
Why would I be? That’s stupid. If the case on me is “Jack hasn’t done anything” then why would you ever hammer me early when you know I’m free?
I'm not in charge of other people. I'm just warning you.
this is a lie

I mean I'm not. That's a choice others make lol.

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:17 pm And Naan

What abt them clearing??

what is the pro mafia agenda of posting one townread on town mac and then shadow voting your teammate?

but like I said ... probably not, not not.

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:16 pm That's what I wanted to ask

Why is ddp cleared

Click Falcon's ISO and ctrl F Dragon

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:10 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:36 pm illwei coming in hot with a paranoia read on town mac again. Fun times.
I'm SORRY you just townread me and I'm like wolf!Mac did that when we were teamed and I KNOW that's not a real read but it FEELS
the funny part is you wolfed with me in a game in which we swept by hard shielding each other and it's patterned your understanding of my play hard one way when most would call me a busser thus demonstrating the truth that I am neither and both.
You threatened to bus me d1 >:(

But YES I know but also that was cfc wins where every signup comes with a 1 free wolf win card to redeem at any time

and?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:16 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:11 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:09 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:08 pm

Doesn't seem like you do either you salt machine.
Yeah but I haven’t read shit.

What’s your excuse?
Everyone in the game to a number is way townier than you.
There’s no way. I’m at baseline null. If I’m the scummiest player….

I mean, even if I was a wolf, I wouldn’t be the only one.
Yes you would be. The other mafia aligned player is a 3p.
Well okay then I only gotta find one. Shouldn’t be that hard.

Make me do everything myself grumble grumble
I'll give you a head start.

It's none of the below.

DDL
Lime Coke
Misery
Hollowkatt
Rondo

And probably not

NotAnAxehole

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:11 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:09 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:08 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:06 pm Though it’s kinda disappointing we had a Day 1 wolf yeet and this is the best that can be mustered Day 2.

I’m not really one to talk and I guess the Falcon wagon was runaway but we really have no better ideas? Sad!
Doesn't seem like you do either you salt machine.
Yeah but I haven’t read shit.

What’s your excuse?
Everyone in the game to a number is way townier than you.
There’s no way. I’m at baseline null. If I’m the scummiest player….

I mean, even if I was a wolf, I wouldn’t be the only one.
Yes you would be. The other mafia aligned player is a 3p.
Well okay then I only gotta find one. Shouldn’t be that hard.

Make me do everything myself grumble grumble

I'll give you a head start.

It's none of the below.

DDL
Lime Coke
Misery
Hollowkatt
Rondo

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:14 pm
Lag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:12 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:05 pm I guess we’ve gotten to the point where Persoba 3 and wrestling and baseball aren’t a good enough excuse for my performance.

Don’t worry. I’m done with my work and at full capacity tomorrow. I’m not getting yeeted this phase.
you will be hammered by then lol
Why would I be? That’s stupid. If the case on me is “Jack hasn’t done anything” then why would you ever hammer me early when you know I’m free?
I'm not in charge of other people. I'm just warning you.
It’s 10 pm. “Tomorrow” is like 8 am after kid drop off.

If I get hammered between now and then, fuck it. Wouldn’t even count if my team plays that suboptimally and/or wolves out for a middle of the night meme misyeet.

And that’s the only way I go over cause I’m town and you can’t yeet me when I’m town.
You do realize that 8 am tomorrow for you is 3 hours before EoD?
And? I’m still not getting misyeeted without a meme early hammer.

We already hammered early once to fabulous effect so our wonderful town are feeling good about hammers.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:11 pm
Lag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:29 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:14 pm
Lag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:11 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:00 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:56 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:53 pm

uh huh and seeing that seanzie was killed and flipped, does this lead you to think anything sus about rondo or no
if I was wolf, why would I kill someone that is directly antagonistic towards me? It would lead to this exact question
your honor why would I dance naked in front of parliament, it would only lead to me sitting in this exact courtroom, facing this exact jail time
What was Mac's read on Rondo on day 1?
Why are you asking me this?
I feel a bit off-put by Rondo asking Mac why he didn't die night 1.

I was asking people why Seanzie died over Mac, both to try to get insight into day 1 without having to backread because I'm lazy

but also because I don't think any wolf actually kills Seanzie over Mac in a vacuum unless:
1) They don't know who Mac is
2) Mac is the wolf
3) Seanzie's suspicious of them but Mac is not
4) They think they can leave Mac alive until late game in order to get people to tin-foil Mac as a deep wolf.

I've tried doing #4, it doesn't work, Mac just finds all the wolves and kills them all before you get to LYLO.
#1 is a bit silly given that this is Mac's homesite.
#2 is self-resolving is kind of silly to suspect on day 2, I don't think Mac hell buses on day 1.

But doubly so because:
Mafia only knows who their teammate is. Glomgold knows who both of the mafia are.
A mafia choosing to hellbus literally their only known teammate on day 1 is a highly dubious play that I don't think anyone makes. It's a possible play to make as Glomgold though.

But because it is a play that's only made 50% of the time, the prior probability of someone being a deep wolf that's hell bussing is already half of what it is in a normal game.

So I think that just makes Mac >>rand town. And I think that's a fact that people intuitively understand about the setup even if they haven't thought about the prior probabilities and what not.

So then Rondo's questioning of Mac to "make sure he's not a deep wolf" feels a little bit misplaced. The line of questioning is useful in order to figure out who Seanzie was scumreading that Mac was townreading to potentially triangulate the wolf off of that. But asking Mac the question directly to "make sure he's not a deep wolf" ... feels weird.

If Mac did indeed town or null read Rondo on day 1 though, then that further contributes to the case against him. If he scum read him as much as Seanzie did, then meh
So hold on, why do you think the hellbus is possible as Glomgold but not as proper maf? Ime 2 mafs more or less have the same value whether they have a night chat or not, especially when one can't kill the other. Sure maf may not want a NK night but without any protective roles town doesn't gain a ML. Maybe mac would be a little lonely afterwards, but I don't think there's really a huge material difference if you think mac can hellbus as Glomgold. Unless maybe Glomgold wants to avoid a quick maf win or wants his partner to rely more heavily on him.

I don't know about this whole mac cult of personality thing. There probably aren't special rules that apply to him, even if players respect his reads more than most. You've tried to game paranoia by leaving him alive so why wouldn't others try (and fail) too?

I like how you're trying to triangulate a scumread on Rondo but I think maybe it requires a few too many assumptions to stick? Esp. about Rondo's state of mind.

I took the whole "wanting to make sure he's not a deepwolf" as just some comfort seeking, didn't seem too unnatural.

Oh also maybe seanzie died because maf was sure seanzie wasn't Golmgold but mac might've been lol. Honestly maf should've nk'd on n1 to force us to auto-lim mac.

You too will join the cult. They all fall.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:11 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:09 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:08 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:06 pm Though it’s kinda disappointing we had a Day 1 wolf yeet and this is the best that can be mustered Day 2.

I’m not really one to talk and I guess the Falcon wagon was runaway but we really have no better ideas? Sad!
Doesn't seem like you do either you salt machine.
Yeah but I haven’t read shit.

What’s your excuse?
Everyone in the game to a number is way townier than you.
There’s no way. I’m at baseline null. If I’m the scummiest player….

I mean, even if I was a wolf, I wouldn’t be the only one.

Yes you would be. The other mafia aligned player is a 3p.

I have no desire to chop you if you're town. I have no reason to believe you are right now and asking as though I should know you are with what you've produced so far is lazy wolfy nonsense.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:09 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:08 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:06 pm Though it’s kinda disappointing we had a Day 1 wolf yeet and this is the best that can be mustered Day 2.

I’m not really one to talk and I guess the Falcon wagon was runaway but we really have no better ideas? Sad!
Doesn't seem like you do either you salt machine.
Yeah but I haven’t read shit.

What’s your excuse?

Everyone in the game to a number is way townier than you.

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:36 pm illwei coming in hot with a paranoia read on town mac again. Fun times.
I'm SORRY you just townread me and I'm like wolf!Mac did that when we were teamed and I KNOW that's not a real read but it FEELS

the funny part is you wolfed with me in a game in which we swept by hard shielding each other and it's patterned your understanding of my play hard one way when most would call me a busser thus demonstrating the truth that I am neither and both.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:05 pm I guess we’ve gotten to the point where Persoba 3 and wrestling and baseball aren’t a good enough excuse for my performance.

Don’t worry. I’m done with my work and at full capacity tomorrow. I’m not getting yeeted this phase.
you will be hammered by then lol
Why would I be? That’s stupid. If the case on me is “Jack hasn’t done anything” then why would you ever hammer me early when you know I’m free?

I'm not in charge of other people. I'm just warning you.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:06 pm Though it’s kinda disappointing we had a Day 1 wolf yeet and this is the best that can be mustered Day 2.

I’m not really one to talk and I guess the Falcon wagon was runaway but we really have no better ideas? Sad!

Doesn't seem like you do either you salt machine.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:05 pm I guess we’ve gotten to the point where Persoba 3 and wrestling and baseball aren’t a good enough excuse for my performance.

Don’t worry. I’m done with my work and at full capacity tomorrow. I’m not getting yeeted this phase.

you will be hammered by then lol

@Jackofhearts2005 you're just mafia and have no intention to attempt to try here ay?

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:44 pm Lag has been ok during this catch up. The big Mac analysis post passed the bullshit radar at least.

That pretty much just leaves Jack sitting there like a sad little wolf cub all on his own. In terms of LHF wolves anyway.
is asking me to not hammer a wolf thing for jack to buy more time for falcon or?

Eh?

Oh I think I want to clear Hollowkatt too.

I'm gonna suggest Dizzy is the maf 3p and Jack is the solo maf.

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