The Syndicate

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:17 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:16 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:15 am At least, EoD is inconvenient / overnight for the mafia team (or is it just Mac?)

why you tryna hurt my feelings bro?

This is mafia, not group therapy. I'm just pointing facts so that we get an understanding of what EOD might look like.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:17 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:11 am i sit here for 5 hours trying to reason with you and every time i explain the reality of the situation you just ignore it and then find something new or worse just continue to say the same shit that i already explained

meanwhile creature coasting.

Lol good job trying to recycle my fookin' great read on Alison just now (Also shoutout to @Kito because... yeah, good call).

Creature may or may not be coasting, but you being like super scum... kinda think.. I kinda think... yeah...

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:16 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:14 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:10 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:07 am i have decided seanzie is in fact mafia with creature

Lol, good try. I am so pure it is kinda funny. creature meh, me, pure.

you are not pure you are evil and taking refuge in audacity, you have made no good points at all and have instead just insisted in a blunt way that has left no room for reeval, you went into this entire thing with an agenda and the only rational explanation after #5hours is that you are doing this to save creature

If you sheeped me D1 we would have sufficient votes to kill seanzie too.

bruh i didn't even know what your reads were on day 1... i basically just like made some snap reads and then came back a few times and shitposted. who was i meant to sheep you on?

Alison.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:15 am At least, EoD is inconvenient / overnight for the mafia team (or is it just Mac?)

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:10 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:07 am i have decided seanzie is in fact mafia with creature

Lol, good try. I am so pure it is kinda funny. creature meh, me, pure.

you are not pure you are evil and taking refuge in audacity, you have made no good points at all and have instead just insisted in a blunt way that has left no room for reeval, you went into this entire thing with an agenda and the only rational explanation after #5hours is that you are doing this to save creature

If you sheeped me D1 we would have sufficient votes to kill seanzie too.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:07 am i have decided seanzie is in fact mafia with creature

Lol, good try. I am so pure it is kinda funny. creature meh, me, pure.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:04 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:02 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:01 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:00 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:59 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:55 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:54 am I thought it was dead, but there's even more 2 on 1 action.

Crazy how when someone says "X and Y are scum" both X and Y respond to him and try to argue with him. Must be partners!

Truuu, you must be town,

So that makes:

You town
Me town
Falcon town
Wilgy town
Seanzie town
Mac town

Game solved.

why are you townreading all those people btw?

Wooosh

not a woosh, i am referring to falcon, wilgy and seanzie

I can't give my reason on 2 of them, so I'll just make something up if that works for you.

I'm town reading them because everyone is town reading them.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:01 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:00 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:59 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:55 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:54 am I thought it was dead, but there's even more 2 on 1 action.

Crazy how when someone says "X and Y are scum" both X and Y respond to him and try to argue with him. Must be partners!

Truuu, you must be town,

So that makes:

You town
Me town
Falcon town
Wilgy town
Seanzie town
Mac town

Game solved.

why are you townreading all those people btw?

Wooosh

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:59 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:55 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:54 am I thought it was dead, but there's even more 2 on 1 action.

Crazy how when someone says "X and Y are scum" both X and Y respond to him and try to argue with him. Must be partners!

Truuu, you must be town,

So that makes:

You town
Me town
Falcon town
Wilgy town
Seanzie town
Mac town

Game solved.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:56 am I'm still waiting for:

1) Evidence that Fext was genuinely townie D1. You didn't think he was back then, yourself, but apparently he was obvious?

2) The refutation of my logic that you claim has a lot of holes in it.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:54 am I thought it was dead, but there's even more 2 on 1 action.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:44 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:34 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:32 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:30 am Like let's say he is wolf, he is partners with me, and he sees the way you treat Fext. I hop on to kill Fext... and he has the perfect opportunity to defend Fext. He knows I can get people killed D1, which means Fext will go over regardless of whether he has his vote there or not, and he also knows that he can get sick towncred if he defends Fext. He could be in the position that NAA is in right now today with nobody really questioning him except me, if he had defended Fext and I was his partner.

So Mac would defend Fext if I was mafia, and Mac would defend Fext if I was town. Ergo, Mac is town.

The second sentence is categorically false. Please try again wolf.

uh no actually she's right that's exactly what I would do and tbh if I am mafia here that would be a strong reason for someone who knew how i play to townread her tbh lol.

but alas nothing i've done today is designed to capitalise on it so i'm just town.

gonna suck for you when you flip me in my sleep and im town. or maybe it wont and im being hustled. either way gg.

you believe that wolf!you would have something to attempt to captialize on today? What exactly is that?

You aren't "just town".

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:37 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:33 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:31 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:29 am https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 73#p887973

if you read from here for a page or so its pretty obvious im not with alison ever if not obvious im just town.

as much as it probably doesn't matter to anyone it was also quite late in the evening after a very long stressful day at work and i really didn't have the energy to do much except pick a town to sheep.

what was quite late in the evening?

the time where i am... it was past 7pm and i was screwing around doing family things between fucking around on this forum after a long day at work. You making an argument that "mac would have wrecked shit" is just annoying and dumb tbh.

It was past 7ap when? This isn't a gotcha post, this is legit asking what time period you're talking about in the original post. you talk about it not mattering to people, but I am not sure what "it" is or exactly when it was quite late in the evening after a very long ... so the "what" is literal. What is the "what" in "it was also quite late."?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:32 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:30 am Like let's say he is wolf, he is partners with me, and he sees the way you treat Fext. I hop on to kill Fext... and he has the perfect opportunity to defend Fext. He knows I can get people killed D1, which means Fext will go over regardless of whether he has his vote there or not, and he also knows that he can get sick towncred if he defends Fext. He could be in the position that NAA is in right now today with nobody really questioning him except me, if he had defended Fext and I was his partner.

So Mac would defend Fext if I was mafia, and Mac would defend Fext if I was town. Ergo, Mac is town.

The second sentence is categorically false. Please try again wolf.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:31 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:29 am https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 73#p887973

if you read from here for a page or so its pretty obvious im not with alison ever if not obvious im just town.

as much as it probably doesn't matter to anyone it was also quite late in the evening after a very long stressful day at work and i really didn't have the energy to do much except pick a town to sheep.

what was quite late in the evening?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:30 am Like let's say he is wolf, he is partners with me, and he sees the way you treat Fext. I hop on to kill Fext... and he has the perfect opportunity to defend Fext. He knows I can get people killed D1, which means Fext will go over regardless of whether he has his vote there or not, and he also knows that he can get sick towncred if he defends Fext. He could be in the position that NAA is in right now today with nobody really questioning him except me, if he had defended Fext and I was his partner.

So Mac would defend Fext if I was mafia, and Mac would defend Fext if I was town. Ergo, Mac is town.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:19 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:11 am What does he gain as scum if he does that? Like, just breaking it down. Scum know the alignments of every other player in the game. If he is scum he knows for certain Fext is town and he wants Fext dead. If he townreads Fext, it is to gain Fext's trust, or the trust of the town. If he votes Fext it is to get Fext killed because he is mafia.

The problem is that if he does both he lessens the effect of either. When he says Fext is towntelling, and he is Mac, some people might move off Fext, so he sabotages his plan to kill Fext. Conversely, by voting Fext he negates all his towncred that he would otherwise gain from his calling Fext town. The only reason Mac would try to do both things at once rather than lean into one side or the other is if he was using mind games and trusting that I would come to this exact conclusion and shield him. Which is why I'd policy him at FX to avoid that possibility, but why would scum Mac mind game D1 when he could just go to sleep and let Seanzie murder Fext?

I don't think it was necessarily a strategic move. He made a mistake. Fext appears really really pure to those who have TMI. Mac was surprised by how the thread treated Fext.

You are extremely likely to be a wolf to not be aware of this yet.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:50 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:49 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:47 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:42 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:40 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:39 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:32 am

Are you saying that you consider us to be equals?

No I'm saying your logic doesn't make sense and wouldn't be something you'd think from a legitimate POV if you were town.

How would you know what I think? You've never taken 2 seconds to even try to understand me as a player... Albeit, most of that is because of antics I've pulled, but you assume a lot.

You once claimed that mafia is nothing but RNG and proceeded to willfully refuse to townside in any meaningful way. Alison is a player who has a system and process that has data evidence to suggest that it works (Alison has the highest winrate on this entire site). I think that's the major problem tbh.

This requires context, mafia is RNG because you can generally predict to a reasonable degree of certainty who will die before the day starts / you can reasonably predict who will win based on who randed mafia.

Batman the animated series was a stunt to prove that nothing I did mattered because mafia had already won.

I mean, I feel like I've demonstrated this point to a reasonable degree of certainty, so I don't know why you're talking shit.

Where did I talk shit?

In the post I replied to?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:47 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:42 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:40 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:39 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:32 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:28 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:23 am

Why isn't Alison throwing for exclusively scum reading, exclusively discrediting & exclusively voting townies?

Oh right, that must be her wincon.

You did that through the entirety of basic mafia, was that your wincon there too?

Are you saying that you consider us to be equals?

No I'm saying your logic doesn't make sense and wouldn't be something you'd think from a legitimate POV if you were town.

How would you know what I think? You've never taken 2 seconds to even try to understand me as a player... Albeit, most of that is because of antics I've pulled, but you assume a lot.

You once claimed that mafia is nothing but RNG and proceeded to willfully refuse to townside in any meaningful way. Alison is a player who has a system and process that has data evidence to suggest that it works (Alison has the highest winrate on this entire site). I think that's the major problem tbh.

This requires context, mafia is RNG because you can generally predict to a reasonable degree of certainty who will die before the day starts / you can reasonably predict who will win based on who randed mafia.

Batman the animated series was a stunt to prove that nothing I did mattered because mafia had already won.

I mean, I feel like I've demonstrated this point to a reasonable degree of certainty, so I don't know why you're talking shit.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:45 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:33 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:31 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:27 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:25 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:18 am Don't see the harm. No promise I'll look, but sure gimme those games.

They weren't garbage though... were they? Like Fext flipped town if you didn't check. You were wrong. Fext is commonly townread by wolves IME. He is not perfect, but garbage? nah. Not at all. You wolfy wolfy wolfy and being rude.

pretty sure I told the thread that, not Fext

I dug back into my game history and it turns out I actually haven't played with many newbies lately. Here's one from August: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Guns-17er

I was playing under the name Touko Fukawa, and tunnelled Superjack (who's a kinda newish, super polarized LHF player) to hell and back despite them spam posting and doing what many people saw as towntells.

I'll look at the game, but I'd like you to also respond to my other points. Fext flipped town, so you calling their post garbage is minimally a bit insensitive, and maxially trying to pretend like a townie wasn't a townie.

No, I am not trying to gaslight you into thinking Fext flipped red. That is absurd.

I am telling you that regardless of Fext's alignment their posts did not logically make sense. I pretty extensively deconstructed why their posts did not logically make sense in my ISO. I believe this to be something done by mafia a lot more than town (except for specific players who are crazy townies like Gavial). Therefore I voted Fext. Whether or not Fext is new doesn't change any of this. I don't see why it is insensitive for me to say that a post is bad when it doesn't make any sense to me. I'm not calling Fext garbage, I'm just saying his posting this game has been bad and I voted him out for it.

And you really, truly and honestly think Mac is town based on his D1?

Yes. Mac is a strategic scum player who plays with agenda. He is not likely to straddle the fence and take the worst of both worlds if he is mafia. Here is his last scum game, which he played with me: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ed-Hype%21

Day 1, suspicion falls on two of his mafia buddies: Mich-El, who has been afk and is well known to afk as scum, and Katze, who has made a PR claim and been counterclaimed. Mac hard defends both of them, and aggressively tries to counterwagon Great Partners, who is town. Mich-El goes over and flips mafia instead.

Day 2, Mac hard busses Katze, to the point that it had me townreading him in dead chat despite his D1 attempt at saving her. Katze goes over, and Mac coasts on the cred from killing Katze to win the game.

The point is that scum Mac plays in extremes because he wants to either crush the town or gain an immense amount of towncred. The other game I linked to you, Guns and Venom, he also adopted similarly extreme stances, where he hard defended some people and hard pushed others. I cannot remember Mac making a limp wristed push or back-and-forth stance as scum. I believe that if he was scum here would hard commit to either townreading and shielding, or scumreading and burying Fext, the former to gain as much cred as he can and coast through the game, and the latter to just get a town killed in a game where town have very few misexes.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:41 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:38 am I really can't get over how much more activated Mac is now that Alison is here.

I literally told you that was going to happen... i had very little interest in playing whiffle ball bat with you and NAA. Alison just made the game fun again.

And so all important players for the entire game are contained in us four? got it.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:42 am Yeah, the guy holding the correct PoE is no fun to talk to.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:40 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:39 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:32 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:28 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:21 am Alison has legit been the towniest player in this game every time she's been in the thread you guys are like openwolfing or throwing i swear lol.

Why isn't Alison throwing for exclusively scum reading, exclusively discrediting & exclusively voting townies?

Oh right, that must be her wincon.

You did that through the entirety of basic mafia, was that your wincon there too?

Are you saying that you consider us to be equals?

No I'm saying your logic doesn't make sense and wouldn't be something you'd think from a legitimate POV if you were town.

How would you know what I think? You've never taken 2 seconds to even try to understand me as a player... Albeit, most of that is because of antics I've pulled, but you assume a lot.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:38 am I really can't get over how much more activated Mac is now that Alison is here.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:35 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:33 am have you considered that your mutual dislike of one another is clouding your collective judgement here?

Plz say exactly who this is targeted at.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:34 am But I also know that 2 of mac, Alison and creature are mafia.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:34 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:30 am AS IF I'D KILL AXE THATS THE ONLY KILL THAT POINTS DIRECTLY AT ME JESUS CHRIST ARE YOU PEOPLE DUMB OR WHAT

This is so fake. "you people" who?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:33 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:31 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:27 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:25 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:18 am Don't see the harm. No promise I'll look, but sure gimme those games.

They weren't garbage though... were they? Like Fext flipped town if you didn't check. You were wrong. Fext is commonly townread by wolves IME. He is not perfect, but garbage? nah. Not at all. You wolfy wolfy wolfy and being rude.

pretty sure I told the thread that, not Fext

I dug back into my game history and it turns out I actually haven't played with many newbies lately. Here's one from August: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Guns-17er

I was playing under the name Touko Fukawa, and tunnelled Superjack (who's a kinda newish, super polarized LHF player) to hell and back despite them spam posting and doing what many people saw as towntells.

I'll look at the game, but I'd like you to also respond to my other points. Fext flipped town, so you calling their post garbage is minimally a bit insensitive, and maxially trying to pretend like a townie wasn't a townie.

No, I am not trying to gaslight you into thinking Fext flipped red. That is absurd.

I am telling you that regardless of Fext's alignment their posts did not logically make sense. I pretty extensively deconstructed why their posts did not logically make sense in my ISO. I believe this to be something done by mafia a lot more than town (except for specific players who are crazy townies like Gavial). Therefore I voted Fext. Whether or not Fext is new doesn't change any of this. I don't see why it is insensitive for me to say that a post is bad when it doesn't make any sense to me. I'm not calling Fext garbage, I'm just saying his posting this game has been bad and I voted him out for it.

And you really, truly and honestly think Mac is town based on his D1?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:29 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:27 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:23 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:22 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:21 am Alison has legit been the towniest player in this game every time she's been in the thread you guys are like openwolfing or throwing i swear lol.

No. Just bus dude, it will be better for you tomorrow.

believe me I would be bussing if i was mafia with alison right now lol

Make this make sense to me and maybe I'll believe you.

i mean as a sentence i believe it stands on it's own two feet...

i bus my teammate alison, i coast to f3 where i just outwim whoever i put there with me.

the alternative is trying to shield my teammate in a game where i have no ability to influence the eventual chop because it will occur while i am asleep.

Yes... You would definitely get credit for bussing when I come into the day saying I'm voting you no matter what.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:27 am Fext claiming that he was new is his biggest mistake, mafia just saw an easy target.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:23 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:22 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:21 am Alison has legit been the towniest player in this game every time she's been in the thread you guys are like openwolfing or throwing i swear lol.

No. Just bus dude, it will be better for you tomorrow.

believe me I would be bussing if i was mafia with alison right now lol

Make this make sense to me and maybe I'll believe you.