The Syndicate

I'm gonna do you a favour you don't deserve. Give me a little bit.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:11 pm Yes I want to remove all three of you because the wagon that chops a d1 town zero poster over legitimate pushes including my own is rarely pure and mafia is a game of percentages. If this is the one game in which that isn't the case then I will gladly lose and just blame you for it lol.

ebwop

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:10 pm Like it’s a world I think we definitely live in and one Mac would definitely pull

Show me the paopan townslip.

And tell me why Wilgy is town in your eyes?

Yes I want to remove all three of you because the wagon that chops a d1 town zero poster over legitimate pushes including my own is rarely mafia and mafia is a game of percentages. If this is the one game in which that isn't the case then I will gladly lose and just blame you for it lol.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:28 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:24 am @DrWilgy
Hello it would appear you placed your vote on me.

Apparently all I have from you is a Trumpet and a Skull so behold as I enlighten you with a death metal theme song with Trumpet.

@DrWilgy if you are town, explain how and why day 1 unfolded the way that it did please.

You are reading me poorly, Gav is wolf tunneling you, Pao and Gav open wolfing and I was forced into a preservation vote. If Pao is being strung along by Gav, then it's MightyQ or Porsche.

This is my understanding of day one. Do you agree or disagree?

This is quite literally the only answer that I would have accepted from you as town so yes. I'm not convinced you are mafia on play. It's not like you did that much d1. I got locked into this worldview because of the way the day played out.

So the logic would suggest that the 0 poster died because they wanted Wilgy/Mac dynamic to last another day.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:03 am

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:32 am The one thing I find noteworthy is that Gav/Mac cross voting each other doesn't give w/w vibes.
Their arguing earlier felt too hostile for those two to both be bad guys.
Yeah it's hardly revolutionary, yet it's there.

Rereading and I can see a world where Wilgy is town and Crich is mafia but my god it is hard for me to solve outside of Wilgy wolf worlds mostly because of Gavial and Paopan.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:24 am @DrWilgy
Hello it would appear you placed your vote on me.

Apparently all I have from you is a Trumpet and a Skull so behold as I enlighten you with a death metal theme song with Trumpet.

@DrWilgy if you are town, explain how and why day 1 unfolded the way that it did please.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:27 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:28 pm Alright so I realized that me and Mac are the only strong town carries and he’s taking all my spotlight.

I’ll tell yeah that this game there is only room for the one of us!
[VOTE: MacDongull] aubergine

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:29 pm Once he’s gone this should be an easy game.
Hopefully he’s scum so I only need to worry about one more.

This guy has been literally pushing the mafia agenda for this game since the minute it started. Not a single thing that Gavial has done is productive for the town. Contributions and volume do not make up for this.

ebwop

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:28 pm Alright so I realized that me and Mac are the only strong town carries and he’s taking all my spotlight.

I’ll tell yeah that this game there is only room for the one of us!
[VOTE: MacDongull] aubergine

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:29 pm [VOTE: Once he’s gone this should be an easy game.
Hopefully he’s scum so I only need to worry about one more.] aubergine

[VOTE:

This guy has been literally pushing the mafia agenda for this game since the minute it started. Not a single thing that Gavial has done is productive for the town. Contributions and volume do not make up for this.] aubergine

Gavial - "I killed the 0 poster because the last thing I wanted was for a 0 poster slot to turn into a good player".

Okay, so if we flipped someone that wasn't the 0 poster and they were town, then 0 poster turned into a good player, at least we'd have some information.

Also you quoted JaggedJimmyJay as your suggestion and Jay can't even wolf anymore. So basically you killed the 0 poster slot over Wilgy because you didn't want a good polarised town player to join the game. Right?

@Gavial why is Paopan your top townread?

Paopan in particular has been practically openwolfing. They have done not a single thing pro-town and I could quite their entire ISO but it would be a waste of keystrokes.

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:24 pm Me and Pao are town.

I’m pretty sure Wilgy is town but he needs to vote out Mac tomorrow. IDRC if he scum reads me as long as Mac is gone and flips Wolf I’m all down to die next!

You and Paopan voted on a 0 poster town over a Wilgy I feel has been sus. You didn't vote Wilgy either because he you are his mafia teammate or you are playing incredible badly because you are transfixed on the idea that I am mafia and refusing to see worlds in which I am town. And every reason you have given for scumreading me has been horrible and not a single person but Wilgy (and Paopan) even agrees with you, and neither of them have either articulated an actual good reason for suspecting me beyond omgus.

The mafia are 2 of the 3 of you and the town between you 3 is playing very poorly. Believe that.

I have zero interest in playing this game when Gavial is town playing like this.

Yes I am pretty sure it's just Wilgy and Paopan. Gavial madness and vote position makes him the alternative to Paopan.

Paopan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:50 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:09 am 2 mafia not 3... you trying to derp clear yourself here?

Not the kind of reaction I would expect from a town's perspective.

how would a town react?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:34 am Pretty sure you're still town but yeah.

alright why didn't you vote?

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:36 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:25 am I tried to push Wilgy. I am town. If Wilgy was town the mafia would be voting with me and flipping my incorrect push. So Crich and Wilgy are hard different. I find it hard to believe zero town would vote with me. It is just likely CRich is town.

Lime Coke did not vote at all and has been quite opposed to Gavial's pushes on me during the day but didn't contribute to the ultimate chop. That's suspicious. Inb4 omg Mac is now omgussing LC. LC is probably not with Gavial.

If Crich is the mafia he is not with Gavial, nor Miss Carousel, nor Wilgy.

If Wilgy is mafia it is almost a given that his partner voted to save him.

This game is probably unwinnable if Gavial is town. The mafia will just kill outside the two of us and let him keep doing dumb shit.

So I am not allowing day 2 to pass without flipping Gavial regardless of what I believe his alignment to be. If I fail let it lead to my own flip so that I may escape this madness.

this is kinda dramatic lol. I feel it though. I follow the logic and it gives me town read on you

you try being on the receiving end of what gavial is doing

2 mafia not 3... you trying to derp clear yourself here?

tl;dr Gavial + Wilgy to die. If both are town we deserve to lose.

Also I would like Gavial to at least attempt to make solves that involve not me.

I tried to push Wilgy. I am town. If Wilgy was town the mafia would be voting with me and flipping my incorrect push. So Crich and Wilgy are hard different. I find it hard to believe zero town would vote with me. It is just likely CRich is town.

Lime Coke did not vote at all and has been quite opposed to Gavial's pushes on me during the day but didn't contribute to the ultimate chop. That's suspicious. Inb4 omg Mac is now omgussing LC. LC is probably not with Gavial.

If Crich is the mafia he is not with Gavial, nor Miss Carousel, nor Wilgy.

If Wilgy is mafia it is almost a given that his partner voted to save him.

This game is probably unwinnable if Gavial is town. The mafia will just kill outside the two of us and let him keep doing dumb shit.

So I am not allowing day 2 to pass without flipping Gavial regardless of what I believe his alignment to be. If I fail let it lead to my own flip so that I may escape this madness.

Paopan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:27 am I just realized. My alignment starts with M

It is clear already that the town alignment is what it is via the flip. Attempting to angleshoot yourself town in an Alison game is quite the risky proposition.

Gavial what exactly would I need to have done in this game to be town in your eyes?

a) Omgussed you?
b) Voted the 0 voting player over someone I sus?
c) Some other mystery I'm not cognizant of?

Because from where I sit you are scumreading me for literally everything, and were before I even posted.

I am not the one that pushed the game into the state that resulted in a 0 posting town dying d1.

You and two others did that.

Do you believe all three of you would be town doing that? If so, why? If not, which of the other two am I mafia with?

What do you think mafia would have been doing during a day in which a town you was belligerently pushing a baseless scumread on town me from the minute the game began that ended on a 0 poster?

From your perspective logic should show you that if I am mafia it would need to be with someone? Whom?

Once you come up with an answer try to explain my play and my partners play from the mafia perspective.

the possible teams are;

wilgy + paopan/gavial
falcon + miss carousel

crichard is probably town from the wagonomics

wilgy flip = town = kill miss carousel and falcon
wilgy flip = mafia = kill paopan and if the game isn't over kill gavial

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:32 pm Another thing is the issue I had with CRichard going over is that he honestly seemed more Townie near EoD.
I still think he’s scum but my initial reason for Scum reading him is based on Mac and Falcon of which one would have to be scum.

alternatively, Falcon and I are town

i see zero reason why wilgy doesn't die there if i was wrong about him... the mafia would have just lazily sheeped me to kill a more active town and make me look dumb instead of lazily voting the 0 poster

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:30 pm We should look at the wagons at EoD1.
Now that Sig is town.

wilgy just survived via a 0 poster flip, he dies

question is whether gavial is trying to powerwolf or is just off his head ... i think probably the latter and paopan is probably just a wolf for voting the 0 poster for dumb reasons

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:28 pm Okay...so we decided to kill the 0 poster that flipped town.

Can we not listen to Gavial?

if mafia aren't in the sig voters i'll walk from here to brazil

damn this a bit of a situation here innit lol

The mafia is probably just Wilgy and Paopan tbh.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:10 pm ugh this is so annoying

What is?
The inactivity?

no, being tunneled by you is incredibly dumb and annoying

ugh this is so annoying

good point

aside from townreading me lol

My thoughts. I am enjoying this game as a change of pace. I don't feel like hyperposting is necessarily a good thing and reads pertaining to it are not solvent to me here. As long as people draw lines in the sand with the directions they take its a fine throwback to what some might say is a better time.

I am concerned about crichard. His tone is off and he sounds like his non town self just on tone and the directions he's taking.

the reason I know gavial is town is because gavial wouldn't try to chop me d1 he'd just ignore my presence and n1 like the actual mafia are going to inevitably do and are doing

Gavial being town makes Wilgy practically outed mafia. Let's just kill him.

dumb game now i know gavial is town

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:37 pm

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:29 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:50 pm Mac and Falcon are probably both town.

So with those 2 plus Miss Carousel that's a good 3 person towncore.

Any chance I can hop onto your list?

Does a Wolf make such a cutsy request?



Imma lean no

agree

I am ready to say that I reckon there is a wolf between DrWilgy and Gavial lol.

ah blackmail... the true calling card of the good guy

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:05 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:00 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:55 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:50 pm Mac and Falcon are probably both town.

So with those 2 plus Miss Carousel that's a good 3 person towncore.

Explain both please.

Falcon constantly bringing up posts and questioning things feels like his game in Batman Mafia.

Mac... kinda just feels like town Mac? He isn't just fluffing out content he's just going after people and outing reads.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:55 pm Also Lime what’s your read on me?
With those reads I get a gut your leaning me wolf.

Possibly, your obsession over Mac is reminding me of what you did with Alison in Baby Mafia.

I’m pretty sure Falcon’s capable of that as either alignment tbh.
As for Mac, ima just ask Mac himself @MacDougall
Do you as Wolf, go after people and state your reads?

Ima just say this now Lime, they probably do.

Oh yeah Baby Mafia I remember that.
I pushed Alison because it was something I’d do as town and regardless of my alignment I know it’s more dangerous to keep a good player alive if they are wolf.

So I’ll give you that, you make a good point that I’m using the same reasoning as I did that game, this game.
It isn’t AI for me, I think like that regardless of my alignment but I like the fact you brought that up and I can honestly see the comparison here, although this time I’m actually town.

Given we've played several games together when you were town and you didn't do this to me in those games, and Lime Coke is pointing out that you have a history of doing this to strong town players as mafia, I am thinking we're probably just going to flip you here.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:05 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:00 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:55 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:50 pm Mac and Falcon are probably both town.

So with those 2 plus Miss Carousel that's a good 3 person towncore.

Explain both please.

Falcon constantly bringing up posts and questioning things feels like his game in Batman Mafia.

Mac... kinda just feels like town Mac? He isn't just fluffing out content he's just going after people and outing reads.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:55 pm Also Lime what’s your read on me?
With those reads I get a gut your leaning me wolf.

Possibly, your obsession over Mac is reminding me of what you did with Alison in Baby Mafia.

I’m pretty sure Falcon’s capable of that as either alignment tbh.
As for Mac, ima just ask Mac himself @MacDougall
Do you as Wolf, go after people and state your reads?

Ima just say this now Lime, they probably do.

Oh yeah Baby Mafia I remember that.
I pushed Alison because it was something I’d do as town and regardless of my alignment I know it’s more dangerous to keep a good player alive if they are wolf.

So I’ll give you that, you make a good point that I’m using the same reasoning as I did that game, this game.
It isn’t AI for me, I think like that regardless of my alignment but I like the fact you brought that up and I can honestly see the comparison here, although this time I’m actually town.

I sometimes do and I sometimes don't. Lime Coke is trying to articulate a town read on me that has a large heaping of gut and instinct which is accurate and being forced to articulate an actual reason for that generally creates a situation where they say something that's subjective and easy to refute.

Gavial, tunneling me out of the gate on day 1 in a game I randed town is not a game winning strategy for whichever alignment you randed and I would suggest if you are town you cease and desist and try to solve alignment indicative things ie "who sounds le town".

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:50 pm Mac and Falcon are probably both town.

So with those 2 plus Miss Carousel that's a good 3 person towncore.

we vibing here, it's weird, I'm gonna get snowed and lose to you here and then next game go back to paranoia tinfoiling you

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:13 pm

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:07 am I posted this while still not knowing what my role/alignment is.

Hi all, confirmed town here!

On a more serious note, I feel that this feels too LAMIST for my liking.
I have trouble imaging why as town, they'd need to announce that they're town.
It's possible that it could be a personality trait, yet it's something to watch out for.

I did the same thing but worse

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:15 pm What I don’t like is Mac just entirely dropped their push on CRich.

my god man leave me alone lol

MightyQ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:07 pm Just like sex, vanillia is the best way to play mafia

Change my mind

hi

as an enthusiast I expect you will find us the mafia yes?

vote wilgy aubergine

emoji posting is an anti town gimmick

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:06 pm falcon is the correct person to pressure because their p1 posts were not very good, though i’m not necessarily sure wolfy. they are the correct person to pressure as both alignments though i think. (correct to pressure as wolf if they are town)

alright we've found at least 1 town... more plz

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:51 pm

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:35 pm hello. when this game started i was out of cell phone service range setting things on fire

Gavial looks town

Is there anything specific that gives you that read of me?

it's ok Gavial I already asked mate