The Syndicate

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:28 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:27 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:24 pm mac what're my wolf tells

I dunno your game progresses rapidly and I haven't seen you wolf in like 6 months. You don't have all that many because you have openwolfing in your townrange. At the time your wolf game was characterised by things such as outing yourself trying to save drowning teammates, and/or pushing really obvious towny players for bad reasons. Nothing in your posting style particularly, but yeah that's mostly because you have being unabashedly anti-town in your townrange.

In that fallout game where you and Esooa were half scum and teammates, how did she act then and can you compare it to this game?

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:24 pm mac what're my wolf tells

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:09 pm I have some thoughts on gavial but I'm struggling to parse how much of it is personality indicative.

@Gavial would you mind linking merecent games where you're town and scum that you think are representative of your play?

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:42 am I'm surprised nobody picked it up after I strongly suggested it earlier but my entrance was on purpose lol. I wanted to see how people would react if I did something very uncharacteristic mostly, given that I don't usually consider myself a miselim risk in these sorts of games.


I think hk/Deli had towny reactions to it. Syn maybe(???) but I'm not sure.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:16 am Observations thus far on players from reading their ISOs

Deli - Some of their posts are nuanced enough that I believe they come from town, specifically their esooa read. Additionally, it seems a number of people scumread Deli for defending Wiml early on, but that looks NAI to me. No issues there.

Kami - Short posts, but they seem very unafraid in tossing reads out there. It's a townlean for now, one I'll likely reconsider later or on future days.

Esooa - I like esooa's more recent posts more than her earlier ones. I think her agreement with Mac is very lacking, mainly because Mac provided 0 context for his reads, so agreeing with them is a big meh. But she seems to be making her own reads, including calling falcon mafia (which is actually not what Mac called him lol)

hollowbutt - I was torn on this one. On one hand, his posts look like ones he could believe in (I'm looking particularly at his argument with Deli about Deli's defense of Wiml). But this suspicion seems a little silly to me. Meta read on HK (yes I'm using a meta read, take that), in his last two wolf games, HK has created a heavy distancing with a partner on Day 1 (Invictus in Bluey Mafia, and Seanzie in Beelzebub). Wiml's reaction makes them look not paired based on HK's recent scum strategies, so I believe they are not W/W, but they could be any other combo. I'm going to give HK a slight townlean for now, mainly because I'm not ready to yeet him.

Wiml - I'm in agreement with a lot of others on this slot. His entrance into the game isn't very good, particular his comments about Gavial. That said, Wiml has a redeeming factor in that he's continued playing the game in a manner that seems unperturbed by the pressure, which I think is a mildly good look.

Syn - I don't recall a game where I was town and Syn was also playing (and he didn't sub in after I died), thus I can't recall a time where I've had to make an uninformed read on Syn. I'm not seeing anything yet that makes me townread him. GTH, mafia, but that's more to lack of readable content than to anything specifically scummy.

Nanook - Not out of his townrange or scumrange right now. Will reconsider on a future day.

ignoramus - Most of their ISO is fine, with the exception of this post. @ignoramus is there a reason you feel the need to force a scum read due to having a lack of them?

MacDougall - 0 scumreads so far. 2 3 townreads. Mac having 0 stated scumreads 24 hours into the day is a concern. He has made a vote, but it was a naked vote. Not a townread right now (but he could just be lazy).

Creature - One thing I really dislike about Creature thus far is their post saying ""I think I townread..." and two posts later saying "I currently feel fairly good". I have 2 issues here. 1) Creature uses two adverbs to describe the second opinion. 2) Nothing really happened to support such a confidence change. I don't mind a bunch of townreads early, but I see this a means of doubling down when being questioned about it since the reads began as soft ones.



I unfortunately have to run, so I'll get to Gavial and falcon later, but I'm going to drop a vote on Creature for now.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:13 pm

ignoramus wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:50 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:47 am Wall Post

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Syn’s Favourite

Syn @Syn
So I know you had Deli in your scum list (and Falcon) but you haven’t really built on that much. It wasn’t until Esooa VETO’ed them that inspired you to vote Deli. Why is that?

Also, your response with “Wall Posts Bad” I was referring to Ignoramus not myself.

Wiml @Wiml
When you Re-entered the thread.
You never once mentioned me the person you are voting for.
No response, no case build, no reconsideration.
No nothing.
So is there anything else you’d like to say regarding my slot?

Ignoramus @ignoramus
Considering the fact you admit to WamL you lack reason to strongly SR Falcon and your only real strong scum read is me, a Willager.
Think you may want to re-eval your reads?

Nanook @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Hello mister Nanook!
It would appear you have no prior mention of WamL before you voted them. Did you perhaps do that because Syn changed their vote to Deli? Do you Town Read Deli or perhaps just SR WamL more?

Creature @Creature
Other then my pop out, is there any other reason you have your vote on me?

What I mean to say is: I only have TWO SRs, you and Falcon. That is why I SR both of you so strongly.
And no I will not re-evaluate, not unless I get other info from flips (mostly red, unless NK then I'll read all)
Anyway, goodnight! I should check how many hours till EOD before I can sleep peacefully
The downside of mafia

I think Igno is wolfing.

Read Syn, I think they wolfing with them!

ignoramus wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:35 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:33 am igno, would you be able to talk me through your falcon read please? Particularly how you went from GTH mafia originally but you seem to strongly SR them / are making associatives with them now? Are there any other reasons for this that you haven't mentioned yet?

I'll try my best
I pretty much forgot about my read but if I read again I should be able to explain more

~~~~~

So I read through the thread again and currently these are my only reasons for wolf-reading them

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:25 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:23 pm No silent voting and no way to quickly get an accurate vote count in a hammer game, rip

MVP mindset right here folks.



C'mon Nook, look at the brightside...I'm town!



That's 1 down, help me find more

So in this post, they're* already trying to pocket Nanook. I don't know them well enough to know whether or not this is NAI for them, but given my limited experience of mafia, unless these two are close a mafia would definitely prefer to pocket a town so that they got an honorary extra member.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:29 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:25 pm Jesus Christ max 1 post per hour. Hopefully I don't run out of posts and patience before.

Probably means we gotta be quite efficient in our posts and try to settle quick somewhere.

Settle quick? Interesting approach w/ majority lynch, bit reckless don't ya think?

For this post, it's more like them trying to make Creature slow down/become more calm which makes me go :sus:. If Falcon is mafia and knows Creature and how he solves a lot, they would most likely try to make him slow down/lose WIM. This post (if and only if Wiml was the leading wagon) also tells me you're TMI town if Falcon flips red.

ignoramus wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:16 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:21 pm 3rd.


Do I get a prize better than Bronze?


I'm Vanilla btw, it says so on my rolecard

Already claiming stuff like this first thing is Not Good
Like
I dunno if they do this a lot irregardless of alignment but gun to head this is a mafia making a claim they can fall back on when they need to

I've seen some mafia do this before and so when I see it I tend to go :sus:
I don't know how much more I can explain this ngl

ignoramus wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:16 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:25 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:23 pm No silent voting and no way to quickly get an accurate vote count in a hammer game, rip

MVP mindset right here folks.



C'mon Nook, look at the brightside...I'm town!



That's 1 down, help me find more

If Falcon flips red, which I think they will, Nanook top town

Lmao double-post

So TLDR: I don't have much reasons to SR Falcon but I SR them so strongly because of the fact I only have two SRs: Gavial and them.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:11 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:07 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:48 am Esooa focusing on meta reads is towny for her (regardless of the accuracy of the read) and probably not partnered with falcon. Doubt she comes in this way as a wolf.

Generally she's also pushing the game in a good direction and that's town-indicative of her. Agree with her takes on Deli (and also that she pointed out Deli as being somebody likely to get mistakenly misread is accurate and I +1 that).

This statement has no basis of fact unless you have TMI.

it's a weird read but atm I'm pretty much just seeing wiml town reading town and wolf reading scummy people, plus I think it's not necessarily wolfy for him to be forcing reads atm

Wiml is a quality player and based on a small sample size, I think we see the game similarly so when Wiml looks at posts and arrives at different outcomes to me over and over again I think it's an indication that we are not aligned. This isn't meta proven, but based on what I've seen in games I've played with them so far I would say it holds true.

They are also reminding me of my own mafia posts. Particularly the mix of overexplaining things to feign solving mindset mixed in with snap reads that are designed to keep people off balance.

If he is a mafia like you he isn't the mafia we vote day 1. That's just not really how it works imo

ignoramus wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:50 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:47 am Wall Post

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Syn’s Favourite

Syn @Syn
So I know you had Deli in your scum list (and Falcon) but you haven’t really built on that much. It wasn’t until Esooa VETO’ed them that inspired you to vote Deli. Why is that?

Also, your response with “Wall Posts Bad” I was referring to Ignoramus not myself.

Wiml @Wiml
When you Re-entered the thread.
You never once mentioned me the person you are voting for.
No response, no case build, no reconsideration.
No nothing.
So is there anything else you’d like to say regarding my slot?

Ignoramus @ignoramus
Considering the fact you admit to WamL you lack reason to strongly SR Falcon and your only real strong scum read is me, a Willager.
Think you may want to re-eval your reads?

Nanook @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Hello mister Nanook!
It would appear you have no prior mention of WamL before you voted them. Did you perhaps do that because Syn changed their vote to Deli? Do you Town Read Deli or perhaps just SR WamL more?

Creature @Creature
Other then my pop out, is there any other reason you have your vote on me?

What I mean to say is: I only have TWO SRs, you and Falcon. That is why I SR both of you so strongly.
And no I will not re-evaluate, not unless I get other info from flips (mostly red, unless NK then I'll read all)
Anyway, goodnight! I should check how many hours till EOD before I can sleep peacefully
The downside of mafia

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:07 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:48 am Esooa focusing on meta reads is towny for her (regardless of the accuracy of the read) and probably not partnered with falcon. Doubt she comes in this way as a wolf.

Generally she's also pushing the game in a good direction and that's town-indicative of her. Agree with her takes on Deli (and also that she pointed out Deli as being somebody likely to get mistakenly misread is accurate and I +1 that).

This statement has no basis of fact unless you have TMI.

it's a weird read but atm I'm pretty much just seeing wiml town reading town and wolf reading scummy people, plus I think it's not necessarily wolfy for him to be forcing reads atm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:03 pm Why is everyone town reading wiml?

Not sure on him. Some of his unpopular stances, like defending Gavial, seemed towny.

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:48 am Esooa focusing on meta reads is towny for her (regardless of the accuracy of the read) and probably not partnered with falcon. Doubt she comes in this way as a wolf.

Generally she's also pushing the game in a good direction and that's town-indicative of her. Agree with her takes on Deli (and also that she pointed out Deli as being somebody likely to get mistakenly misread is accurate and I +1 that).

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:23 pm No silent voting and no way to quickly get an accurate vote count in a hammer game, rip

Deli wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:34 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:13 pm

Deli wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:10 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:06 pm @Esooa is Kami mafia?

RN I'd say she's town. In the game I played with her previously she didn't really care that much and made few reads etc because she was scum and didn't really want to be. This game obviously she cares about reading stuff and is mad at HK because of what she's read

Kami’s caring is a function of her mood, not her alignment ime

Besides hollowkatt, who else are you up to lynch?

i'm almost at the point with hollow that like nah, idk that a wolf comes in and does that-- not going to clear them for being inconsistent but Idt it would make sense for hollow to be w/w is falcon and I'd rather flip falcon first.



Villa
Deli

Villa lean
wiml
marmot
igno?

Not clearing(hopefully not more than 1 wolf in here)
Mac
Esooa
Kami
Hollow
Creature

Lunch here(three wolves-- one time?!)
gavial
nanook
falcon


tbh tho it's early and this list could be very good or very bad or neither :O

Kami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:05 pm

Kami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:07 pm Hollowkatt doing exactly what they wolf read someone for lmao...

This isn't even scummy.

Lying about what happened is scummy and even if he wasn't being a hypocrite the read sucks to begin with. What deli did youc an actually say "this isn't even scummy"

Kami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:07 pm Hollowkatt doing exactly what they wolf read someone for lmao...

Kami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:15 pm Nook is just frozen tbh, howling too

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:15 pm Sorry three people.

Note to self for later. Creature, Falcon, Hollowkatt are town.

Which one of these did you initially forget and add later?

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:15 pm Sorry three people.

Note to self for later. Creature, Falcon, Hollowkatt are town.

Why would you have early gut reads saved for reads for later?

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:12 pm Meh, self-restricting myself in posting is really boring. I think I would rather run out of posts halfway in the day than allow some game stagnancy and we all should be doing the same. Like, I think there's no difference if we end up choosing a lynch and running out of posts halfway in the day except we'd have to wait a little longer for the day to end.

Only townreading falcon so far.

[VOTE: Wiml] aubergine