The Syndicate

He's been going after Hyena and Johann most of the game ftr.

That's another point in Hyena's favour imo. I don't think any of the POE really make sense as his teammate. He's hard to worldbuild with. Wilgy on the other hand.

Wilgy/Jack feels solid to me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 12:27 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:44 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:53 pm I kinda want to shoot Jack. Does anyone object?
I have no reason to single Jack out as a suspect. He wasn't here when I was here last night. But at least if he gets shot he can preserve his unlynchable claim some more.
I don't like that Jack is acting low key. He's also skating. He also won't get lynched if he's scum. I think he's a good shot. Maybe not the most likely to flip wolf but he's the most likely to flip wolf in a way that destroys the scum team if he is one.

Also I do think he is one. I don't believe half the shit he says. He's just applied an urgent scattery tone to the few posts he's made that makes it look authentic. He cleared Johann off being wrongtown and I never understand people that do that. Johann/Jack feel teamy to me.
I agree with the feel of Jack, but I wouldn't think them to be w/w.

That's two of the people you had previously confirmed. Was there anything other than the above that changed that?
You've got a developed enough read on Jack/Johann interactions to not consider them w/w? Tell me why.
I wouldn't say it's developed but i'm seeing them as 'like with like'. They are too similar in my head to be on the same team.

I kind of feel like I caught him reaching with the Johann/Jack commentary. His explanation rings false to me.

Wilgy is pretty likely to be scum going by his iso. Never made a comment about Dragomir and he made some points that seem kinda bs to me.

Anyway Johann is town. Next.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 10:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 7:25 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 3:21 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

I'm basically with you on Wilgy and Mac. I'm not in the same place with you on Sloon, GMan or Johann but I'm of the same opinion that none of them should be shot today.

Tell me what you got out of my interactions with Boo yesterday?

Talk to me about FG, Drago and Hyena. What is the most compelling reason to kill and not kill each of them?
Do you think I am scum Jack?
Not particularly.

But in the post I quoted you said you were with Nanook on me and Wilgy? Why the change of heart?

Johann don't get so amped up over being mildly sussed guy. It's par for the course and stops you viewing the game with nuance.

Johann wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 8:41 am Dougall if you think Hyena is town bcs he shares same scum views as you ( and mind you so do i ) why is he town and i am not? In fact i think i am superior to hyena in every aspect

Hyena said drago is scum BUT NEVER PUSHED for Dragos death. I pushed for Drago death entire D2 but hyena never did so except saying ye i think drago is scum and he needs to die when asked by nanook

Hyena has been smoke with no fire so far and i just cant see him as town

If you will say i bussed Drago why not say same shit to Hyena then?

I just find it beyond funny how Hyena who never had anything of substance and didnt even push for Dragos death is somehow a more townie than me who pushed on Drago sincr d2 started and called for his death on every occasion.

If you will hold me as null then hold Hyena for the same shit if not less. It is not consistent at all

I don't need to talk to your defence because nobody is seriously thinking about shooting you. A lot of people have Hyena as a scum read and I think shooting him is a mistake.

I'm not just town reading Hyena for this reason you state either. Hyena has given me a lot of townie pings in my reads. I don't feel the need to spam the thread every time someone makes a town sounding post either.

Also you're massively overreacting. I'm not even suggesting you be shot.

Ultimately why I have him higher than you is because if you take the fact that you both supported shooting Dragomir away, he looks more town than you in my opinion. And supporting shooting Dragomir is only a mild town look for anyone who did frankly.

Given you aren't even voting, lynching and ultimately someone else fired the shot people are putting too much emphasis on what amounts to standard distancing. In this build you'd be nuts not to be demanding shooters fire at your teammates in case they actually do. It's just not worth that much cred.

You going histrionic over me not giving you enough cred is the best town indicator you have, and you only just did that so... good for you.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
G-Man
Funnygurl555
Hyena

Johann

boo
DrWilgy

Jackofhearts2005

This is my reads list. I know it echoes many others. I think we are on the right track. I understand I'm probably in most of your POEs. I admit I didn't show up d2 which was hypocritical of me after complaining about d1. I was pretty disappointed in myself and needed to take the time quite honestly. I didn't want to be a toxic jerk.

I think Jack is scum. He's the least town player in the game. Hasn't done anything impactful aside from summon almighty ATE to move my gun from his head. I'd like that to be the shot.

Boo has been solid town read for me all game but he is in the POE all the same. I'd prefer Wilgy shot over him.

I am confident that everyone else I've named is town. Even Hyena. I think Hyena and myself are the only valid bad shots here so I fully expect to see arguments towards us. Hyena is exceptionally townie by content and his reads echo mine. He hasn't built his reads in a way to give himself outs.

@Sloonei I would like you to summon as much energy as you can please. I know you're on the road but hit us like a freight train. You are a confirmed town voice. Play a 1 dat stump please.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 12:02 am twas an unnecessary push. it was important-- we noticed it

also lol jack

You are probably right.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 11:20 pm Okay, so after the four people I mentioned, things get a bit hazy.

HOWEVER

Theoretically, us four would need to find only two more town to have autowin, assuming we're correct about everything.

Out of the remaining six, {Boo, Wilgy, G-Man, Jack, Johann, MacDougall}, I feel the most confident about G-Man being town. Most of it comes down to the emotional reaction he had D2 when he was frustrated about how fast the game was going. It felt genuine, and I feel like if he was mafia, his partners would keep him filled in on what was going on. Thus, I would want to include him in my towncore.

Funny has been calling Johann town, and Nanook has been talking about bringing him to F3 regardless of his alignment. I need help seeing that he's town, and it would be great if I can do that since that would make him a good option for our second towny.

After that, I don't have much of a read on Wilgy yet, but after seeing him in Corona Virus mafia, I think he'd be able to show that he's obvtown. I don't know if just hasn't had that chance yet whether it's due to time, RL commitments, or something else. I'm not willing to kill him yet.

That leaves {Boo, Jack, Mac}. I don't think there's more than one scum in Boo and Jack just based on the argument they had D2. Thus, we could also potentially look for town in that pair. Granted, there's also the chance that both of them are town.

Finally, Mac is just ??? If we go with calling Johann town and G-Man town, then he's already in the PoE.

Altogether, the PoE for me right now would be {Boo, Jack, Mac, Wilgy}. Things that would change it would be us finding clear town in Jack or Boo, or Wilgy becoming obvtown today by doing what he did in Corona Virus mafia.

Jack is bad. Boo has great tone but almost has to be bad via POE. It could be Wilgy instead of Boo. But yes your POE is spot on. I'd include Johann but only at a stretch.

boo wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 10:34 pm From Drago's ISO, I think there's 1 mafia between Mac & Hyena.

I don't think you believe this. Nothing is ever that simple. This read is too basic.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 10:03 pm Cocky theory time: Sloonei being poisoned suggests at least one syndicate regular is mafia.

Yes it's Jack. I am just about convinced. What a shame that I didn't shoot him.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 3:21 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

I'm basically with you on Wilgy and Mac. I'm not in the same place with you on Sloon, GMan or Johann but I'm of the same opinion that none of them should be shot today.

Tell me what you got out of my interactions with Boo yesterday?

Talk to me about FG, Drago and Hyena. What is the most compelling reason to kill and not kill each of them?

Do you think I am scum Jack?

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:51 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:47 am What I’d like to get from everyone is two people you would shoot and two people you would not. Doesn’t have to be ranked 1/2, I don’t care. Just give me two names on either end.
I would NOT shoot G-Man or Funny.
I WOULD shoot Dragomir or Boo.

I'm just re-reading and noticed this. Based on my reading right now it is perfect. Hyena has massive town cred for me for those two names he's listed as town. Would never shoot him, FG or G-man as it stands. The POE narrows.

Nanook and I had similar reactions and he is quite likely town. I think that's a fair statement for what would be a reasonable minded town response.

Let's consider those clearing you...

If you are town and I am scum I would be more inclined to go the easy route and just clear you and mark you for later death fwiw.

Johann wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 3:16 am I have a feeling mafia is one of people trying to discredit me as scum after last night. I def sense a mafia in there. Even if i am not 100% confirmed i reckon mafia wants to downplay me to prevent further pushes.

Amongst people sussing
Hyena - Dougall - Nanook

So my main scum read and 2 guys that had a gun.

I dont think its Nanook. He had a chance to kill me or kill someone else but still killed Dragomir. If he is mafia then thats just gg wp

Hyena is just scum to me. Not more to say

Dougall - ill need to check d1 end

I'm not doing that. I am simply pointing out that what you did shouldn't clear you.

But you sure are better placed than me.

I haven't had good reads this game but I think hyena is town.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 11:48 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 11:35 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:37 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 4:22 pm I'm bored with the convo about Johann self-shooting. I'm so bored with it, I refuse to reread it and make reads from it.
Hyena is town. Lock it and throw the key away.
Spewed town imo.

“My teammate is locktown” - Jack about Mac in Inception

Convince me this is tmi. I’d be certain it was if say, you died and flipped wolf. But what about Drago?

(I’m just going to be contrary all game, mkay?)

Too early. Pocket attempt imo.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 11:52 pm Idk that Johan should be cleared for the drago stuff tbh, not uncommon for scum to push their partner yeah? Especially if they don’t think they’ll actually get shot lol

If it was only that easy lol

I think I look worst here but that's because Dragomir did work to pocket me. I think there's a good chance the Johann case was just distancing. Dragomir didn't respond to it like a scum responds to a townie casing them.

Bit sus on his interactions with Boo and FG too. I'd focus on those three.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:37 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 4:22 pm I'm bored with the convo about Johann self-shooting. I'm so bored with it, I refuse to reread it and make reads from it.
Hyena is town. Lock it and throw the key away.

Spewed town imo.

Nanook > Mac.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 4:54 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 4:45 am I would shoot Jack and Sloonei
Wouldn't shoot FG/Duskfall
Dusk is already dead so

derpclear accepted?

I would shoot Jack and Sloonei
Wouldn't shoot FG/Duskfall

Hyena is a fine kill. I think he's town but also everyone is kinda hard to read so I wouldn't hold it against you.

Would rather shoot Jack but oh well.

Muuuuu

Gg scum. You're making this too hard.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:46 pm I would’ve sworn that I’ve played with scumDrago before but now I can’t find the game, maybe this is a baseless townread

Dragomir was scum in Inception.

And that's why Sloonei should have the gun.

This isn't productive. Let's get back to finding wolves. I'm more interested in finding who is bad than spending another 2 days labouring over who gets the gun. I don't think the wolves are gonna get the gun. I don't think they want the gun.

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:14 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:02 pm Anyone who feels like they have a right to insult me for the decision I ended up making can eat my whole ass. Very few of you offered any assistance in arriving to this decision and quite frankly the last 24 hours have been extremely unenjoyable.
Nah. Nutella was who I was going to shoot, too, if I had managed to get the gun. Don't feel bad. :P

[mention]leetic[/mention] this is a terrible version of mafia why did you do this to us

Duskfall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:14 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:13 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:10 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:04 pm Sloonei gets the gun today.
You were choosing between Nutella and sloonei

You shot town Nutella

Now you want the other one to have the gun?
I wasn't choosing between them. I even said I thought Sloonei was town before I did it. I just pointed out that those two profiled in how I would have played it. Please read posts and let them process in your mind before you jump to bunk snap conclusions.

You really need to change your approach man. I've been town reading you the entire game but instead of approaching me with empathy during a situation that was stressful as fuck you antagonised me the entire night phase when there was really no benefit to the town win con in doing so. You need to take this under advisement, it will help you be a better town contributor. You didn't help me at all during that night phase, you just made it harder than it needed to be.

If you're scum, obviously kudos but I think it's pretty clear that you're not.
I am confirmed town lmao
Wait, you actually think I'm mafia?

Wow.
You-
I-
What?

Jesus Christ this game would be easier if you actually read posts.

I said kudos if you are scum but it's clear that you are not. I have a lock town read on you.

Duskfall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:13 pm I disagree I antagonised you, and I think it's ironic because you are antagonising me in this post

You even apologised for doing so once already. I'm not gonna pull posts just to demonstrate that you've been heaping shit on me Duskfall. If you want to lolcat away a sincere request to stop acting a certain way then fine. You're entitled to do what you want. I'll just heap shit on you endlessly for it.

Duskfall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:10 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:04 pm Sloonei gets the gun today.
You were choosing between Nutella and sloonei

You shot town Nutella

Now you want the other one to have the gun?
I wasn't choosing between them. I even said I thought Sloonei was town before I did it. I just pointed out that those two profiled in how I would have played it. Please read posts and let them process in your mind before you jump to bunk snap conclusions.

You really need to change your approach man. I've been town reading you the entire game but instead of approaching me with empathy during a situation that was stressful as fuck you antagonised me the entire night phase when there was really no benefit to the town win con in doing so. You need to take this under advisement, it will help you be a better town contributor. You didn't help me at all during that night phase, you just made it harder than it needed to be.

If you're scum, obviously kudos but I think it's pretty clear that you're not.
I am confirmed town lmao

Wait, you actually think I'm mafia?

Wow.

Duskfall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:07 pm Mafia were truly scared of me getting the gun ive said it all along

This makes no sense, most of the people here have no idea who you are and my perception of you has largely been "chaos posting noob". The only people who could have this opinion of you are the ones you've played with. So you should have the whole scum team solved?

Duskfall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:04 pm Sloonei gets the gun today.
You were choosing between Nutella and sloonei

You shot town Nutella

Now you want the other one to have the gun?

I wasn't choosing between them. I even said I thought Sloonei was town before I did it. I just pointed out that those two profiled in how I would have played it. Please read posts and let them process in your mind before you jump to bunk snap conclusions.

You really need to change your approach man. I've been town reading you the entire game but instead of approaching me with empathy during a situation that was stressful as fuck you antagonised me the entire night phase when there was really no benefit to the town win con in doing so. You need to take this under advisement, it will help you be a better town contributor. You didn't help me at all during that night phase, you just made it harder than it needed to be.

If you're scum, obviously kudos but I think it's pretty clear that you're not.

Sloonei gets the gun today.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:00 pm Oh look now everyone is here offering takes. Awesome.

That was a lame experience I do not recommend.

I didn't shoot Jack btw.

Sorry nutella.

Linki: Still sucks though

Ugh. Leave me to my self loathing for a time.

Anyone who feels like they have a right to insult me for the decision I ended up making can eat my whole ass. Very few of you offered any assistance in arriving to this decision and quite frankly the last 24 hours have been extremely unenjoyable.

Oh look now everyone is here offering takes. Awesome.

That was a lame experience I do not recommend.

I didn't shoot Jack btw.

Sorry nutella.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:53 pm I kinda want to shoot Jack. Does anyone object?
I have no reason to single Jack out as a suspect. He wasn't here when I was here last night. But at least if he gets shot he can preserve his unlynchable claim some more.
I don't like that Jack is acting low key. He's also skating. He also won't get lynched if he's scum. I think he's a good shot. Maybe not the most likely to flip wolf but he's the most likely to flip wolf in a way that destroys the scum team if he is one.

Also I do think he is one. I don't believe half the shit he says. He's just applied an urgent scattery tone to the few posts he's made that makes it look authentic. He cleared Johann off being wrongtown and I never understand people that do that. Johann/Jack feel teamy to me.
He’s also spectating 5 mafia games but who’s counting?

Idk what game you’re reading if you think me taking suicide pact how to meme was some sort of wolf theater.

You say you don’t understand this thing that often happens....so we’re teammates? Did you...look at people giving that type of clear in the past and find it was more often something scum do? Or are you trying to kill what you don’t understand like some sort of X-Man villain?

Hmmm.

Kinda wild that FG and Jack both appeared 10 minutes before the end of the night phase though.

Nutella more so than Sloonei though. I can see Sloonei's brain processing in his posts so I think he's town.

Neither Sloonei nor Nutella have done what I expected their town versions to've done during this night phase. Maybe unfair of me to place that expectation on them but they've done basically what I'd have done as scum.

Nutella has returned to my option pool tbh.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:56 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 2:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:33 pm FG - Sus -1 -1
Hyena - Sus +1 -1 Ugh Fuck you Hyena
Nanook - Cleared
Johann - Cleared
Nutella - Sus
Jack - Cleared
G-man - Sus
Sloonei - Sus
Nutella - Sus
Boo - Seems ok
Wilgy - Null as usual fuck you Wilgy

Lol I can't believe I have the gun this is great.
Lol, thanks Dad.

Run by me why Nanook, Johann, and Jack are clear.
They're not. In fact ... I'm shooting Jack.
Do it bitch. You won’t. You’ll look silly in front of all these people.

Come on, you know that I ended up lynching Wolbre wrongly when he said that to me right?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:53 pm I kinda want to shoot Jack. Does anyone object?
Well Mac said he was cleared so that sounds like a terrible idea.

You have 7 minutes to encourage me to submit a new PM to Leetic lol.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:42 pm I wouldn’t shoot FG fwiw, I don’t know what it is but I like her tone

I wouldn’t shoot drago maybe ever

I’d probably shoot hyena tho

I am gonna just lock town you off this post tbh. We are reading the game the same.

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