The Syndicate

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:23 pm @MacDougall while you're here what do you think of the idea Seanzie cleared me and do you see any other plausible people Sean might have cleared?

I ain't know.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:53 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:18 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:18 pm Someone messaged me to pocket Mac today.
Haha I will hurt you

Spoiler: show
because I'm John Doe

Ugh
you can't be serial?
It's not a serious claim from you but a serious reaction from me.

Stahhhhp

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:52 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:15 pm We are in World 1

In world 1 everything is just easy and fun

In world 1 the following players are town

Rondo for setup solving
Thunal for wim and hard solving
Nanook for being super towny and probably never killing Zenon
Seanzie for teabagging 2 sins
Jack because he "self confirms" and wolves never claim to do that (do they? lol)

Who else is level 1 AN TOWNIE?
Ftr, what happened to your townread on me from yesterday?

I'm townreading you in this post you batty old nanny.

Dubz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:34 am Smh Roxy has posted even less than I have. At least it'll be a quick ISO.

uh that's weird shade lol...

there are others who've posted less than roxy?

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:37 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:55 pm [VOTE: Vote Dennis] aubergine

Nervous about numbers given everything but hey, 1 yesterday, 1 today, 1 last night. We're doing okay.
I am hoping for a lot more from you after I seen what you can actually do as town, I want it again.

damn girl u thirsty

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:55 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:45 am Mother fuckers I knew that something was off. I check thread and one of you asses have killed Seanzie. If it was a hero shot you had better claim soon or I'm just going to murder you regardless of when you claim for such a bad shot. Otherwise if you're a sin you done fucked up
there's no way is a hero shot

I am very queefed by Rondo.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:53 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:18 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:18 pm Someone messaged me to pocket Mac today.
Haha I will hurt you

Spoiler: show
because I'm John Doe

Ugh

you can't be serial?

cheers

what do you think of roxy and matahari?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:40 am I think Seanzie will die before you and I think I will die before you. I think you will have two more tracks which is great

Whatever man. Your trolling is doing my head in. Go troll someone else.

If you both just stfu I would have just got night killed tonight but noooo now I have to spend the rest of the day dealing with this crap.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:32 am I appreciate all the effort you do for town in every game you are town.

I also appreciate how crafty you are as wolf or 3p Mac. You are one of my favourite people to play with as any and all alignments. I am glad you are such a good influence in this community. Its nice to see how you hande everything from a Mac point of view. You have some good passion that you leverage into the game.

How dare you!

How god damn dare you.

I suspected you. I, vocalised my suspicion of you. That is what happened yesterday that you, master of emotional self control had to navigate.

I am being voted by you and Seanzie despite BEING MECHANICALLY TOWN.

Despite, BEING THE PERSON TRYING HARDEST TO SOLVE THE GAME.

Despite, PROBABLY OTHERWISE SELF RESOLVING TONIGHT DUE TO BEING A FUCKING TRACKER.

Kindly shove it.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:27 am goose fraba, its just a game we are all having fun. I hope you continue to. I had to accept you turboing me yesterday and I let you with no complaints. I am glad you did. Let seanzie have his turn

I don't spend hours a day on a mafia game to be locked in the same fucking box over and over again anything remotely fun Rondo.

You didn't have to accept me "turboing" you yesterday at all. I am not you. You didn't have the threat of having "the town cop" waste his alignment check on you hovering over your head. You in fact had no risk whatsoever to run in just letting my flaccid suspicion float through, and you were nowhere NEAR as clear as me.

Comparing me suspecting you, with what I am going through, is bad faith as fuck.

I am not sorry at all for calling this nonsense out for what it is.

At best it's terrible town play from the both of you. Hiding behind bogus "I'm sheeping Seanzie" crap doesn't track for fuck because I've been townier than Seanzie on day 3 by about 50. I don't even give a shit about him outing Kate. I outed Kate as well. You have no reason to take this line with me. I am blatantly obvious town and I'm not just gonna cop it. It's my job as a townie to call out bullshit like this.

If Seanzie actually alignment checks me, he needs to find a new hobby for real. It's an absolutely woeful decision. Almost as bad as the decision you and him have both apparently found yourselves to in tilting me off the map while I was actually hyper solving the fucking game. That's actually just super wolfy honestly. Here I am actually getting my hands dirty and solving and now of all times you decide tilting me off the reservation is optimal?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:23 am I dont appreciate the ATE tho. Other than that. Just try to relax and know that I care about your mental wellbeing and hope you can get past the frustration and just accept I am encouraging Seanzie to solve the game his way as its working so far.

If you care about my mental wellbeing spare me the "I don't appreciate the ATE" as that's just manipulative crap.

You're encouraging drunk Seanzie who wants to waste his alignment check on someone HE ALREADY HAS MECHANICAL EVIDENCE IS TOWN.

Why would I lie about my tracker claim? I literally am verified tracker because Kate and Dennis went belly up and Seanzie knew Kate was targeting Dennis in the first place.

I am clearly not lying.

What the fuck kind of mafia role is odd night tracker?

You hiding behind "I'm sheeping Seanzie" is the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen.

You say I need to plea with Seanzie, homie is fucken passed out in his chair with a gut full of red wine right now. Ain't pleading with shit.

tl;dr

Be mac
Be my absolutely regular mac self for the entire game
Hard claim my role unprovoked day 2 and help kill a deepwolf
Be literally confirmed tracker by Seanzie's own perspective
Amp up the wim to help town
Get voted by Rondo and Seanzie

Seanzie, is apparently a town cop, and apparently wishes to clear me instead of one of the 6 players in my POE. When I am the most mechanically clear person in the game.

And somehow Rondo thinks that participating in this nonsense is sane.

Yes, I buried Porscha day 1. Yes I was wrong. There has never been a game in which wolf Mac has been caught because he was the main person responsible for a town dying day 1. Not one.

And before some third party chimes in to criticise me for getting emo or being too harsh, spare me. This is games and games of pent up irritation that you have no context for.

It is not being suspected that bothers me, it is the fact that they are suspecting me specifically for not being wolfy. That's what shits me. I can tell that is what it is due to the nature of the questions, the posts they are pulling. They are completely ignoring the dozens of solving posts between them in favour of essentially without saying it "Mac isn't being a hostile dickhead, sus" and I really cannot abide that on principle.

Consider that it's day 3 and you are both still in the game as the most clearing thing about me because I actively would seek to remove you both from any game I was wolfing in as priority.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:13 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:11 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:53 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:36 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:34 am [VOTE: Mac] aubergine
I am pretty much ignoring you atm cuz I am solving the game, you're probably just town who is enjoying a few bevvies at night and tossing around some silly alcohol inspired ideas, and nothing you are doing or saying to me at the moment is interesting. You're cute though.
[VOTE: Mac ] aubergine
You and Seanzie are both doing that thing where you are applying false narrow minded horseshit meta to me and because I am not barking like a dog because I'm trying to be rational and not have a repeat of my meltdown of yesterday you're voting me.

That's at least the generous appraisal. Move your vote off me or I will shit on your face.
Nah I am just sheeping my king

The thing with you and Seanzie is that you both basically tinfoil and treat me like an unclearable slot whenever I am not being a prick and I fucking hate it. I really hope you understand how unenjoyable it is to have to play around this. Essentially I have to choose between controlling my emotional volatility or being tunneled by you two. I am choosing to try to explain myself, solve the game and try and my reward from you two is to be tinfoiled into Bolivia (again, at most generous).

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:39 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:39 am John doe as a hat doesn't work mac, there are 20 town+sins roles and 21 players.
@MacDougall making sure you see this.

I think you only read the first third of my meandering nonsense lol.

By the end I was looking at it less as a hat and more of a swap. John Doe can turn a sin into John Doe and become that sin. My thinking is Pyxxy was John Doe, but isn't anymore. And I am thinking that might be why Pyxxy died. Pyxxy might have thought a different sin was better off as John Doe given he was hard POE.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:53 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:36 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:34 am [VOTE: Mac] aubergine
I am pretty much ignoring you atm cuz I am solving the game, you're probably just town who is enjoying a few bevvies at night and tossing around some silly alcohol inspired ideas, and nothing you are doing or saying to me at the moment is interesting. You're cute though.
[VOTE: Mac ] aubergine

You and Seanzie are both doing that thing where you are applying false narrow minded horseshit meta to me and because I am not barking like a dog because I'm trying to be rational and not have a repeat of my meltdown of yesterday you're voting me.

That's at least the generous appraisal. Move your vote off me or I will shit on your face.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:05 am I'lll target Mac tomorrow.

A game recently ended where I was town and correctly baited Cape into outing day 1. I had to spend all of day 1 convincing the vig to not shoot me who was threatening to. They shot me.

This feels like that.

If we are both still alive come day 4, feel free to pick up the conversation with me Seanzie. Something tells me that's fairly unlikely, but if we do at least I'll have another tracker check to discuss with you.

In the meantime, do whatever you want i guess. If you think tilting me is an optimal use of your status then go with god. I think it's dumb as hell personally, but you and I have a history of this kind of thing so it doesn't exactly stun me.

When you use an action that corresponds to a Deadly Sin, you may also choose to make that player John Doe, if you do this you die in the process?

Does this track?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:47 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:36 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:34 am [VOTE: Mac] aubergine
I am pretty much ignoring you atm cuz I am solving the game, you're probably just town who is enjoying a few bevvies at night and tossing around some silly alcohol inspired ideas, and nothing you are doing or saying to me at the moment is interesting. You're cute though.
Tell me about Thunal?

I have already told you my perspective on Thunal, several times, all of my thoughts are there for the world to read.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:48 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:47 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:39 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:36 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:34 am [VOTE: Mac] aubergine
I am pretty much ignoring you atm cuz I am solving the game, you're probably just town who is enjoying a few bevvies at night and tossing around some silly alcohol inspired ideas, and nothing you are doing or saying to me at the moment is interesting. You're cute though.
I will target you tomorrrow. I am a super-cop so if you are bad, you're fudged.

If you're town you'd solve with me, bevvies or not.
I've been solving with you. I've answered all your questions. I'm just not "reacting" to your nonsense lol.
Ask me questions. I'm clear town, so use me.

I have asked you questions. I am also solving. If you are uninterested in my solving and don't care about what I am writing then fine? I'm doing my thing. I'll ask you questions when I get to it. Like I asked you about Dubz cuz I saw it in Michelle's iso.

I don't know why you need to tinfoil me here. I'm hard solving and you have literal mech reason to townread me. Like, I dunno how I'm supposed to see you as anything but annoying? Put yourself in my shoes lol. There's a time and a place for tinfoiling someone who is a hard claimed odd night tracker who tracked confirmed red check that you yourself knew about, and in the middle of them doing hard solving on the day they are most likely to self resolve is like literally not it fam.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:47 am alright now you're making me worry

specifically about the role swap

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:51 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:43 am What if the mafia wincon is to kill all the sins or something?
hmmmm okay you had me for a minute but then would you expect the town win con to be "eliminate all threats to town"?

and the scum one is "To win: Achieve parity with town."

unless you're saying it's like a hidden win con or something, you've played more mafia than me so

rereading the town win con does actually make me wonder if we _have_ to kill the sins but I think better safe than sorry here, if we believe point #1 from Seanzie's info dump

Some stuff to chew on from Pyxxy. He was mask on here and trying to fool me. Why?

He, as a sin, was trying to guide us towards being okay with chopping sins, but humouring that I might be onto something at the same time. I think he was already mafia at this point based on this.

The question is ... what was he talking about with "specifically about the role swap".

This is an info slip imo.

And Kate kind of meme claimed that she was John Doe.

And Dennis doesn't care.

I am sensing that...

John Doe is not one single player but... a hat the sins pass around?

Humour me like...

What if John Doe started off as one of the sins... who cares which.

They target Pyxxy night one say. Pyxxy becomes mafia, John Doe learns that. Pyxxy doesn't. But Pyxxy learns about this mechanical "role swap" thing.

Perhaps once per night John Doe can choose to hand the "John Doe" role to one of the sins that have become mafia ... Obviously didn't hand it to Pyxxy.

Maybe the sin dies the next night if they don't hand it to them, or don't accept the role of John Doe? Something like this. Work with me here.

Kate targeted only Dennis night 1. Maybe Dennis was OG John Doe. Targeted Pyxxy night 1. Didn't hand it off, but has handed it off to whoever they targeted night 2?

Or John Doe is a hitherto yet unknown Sin. Do the numbers equate to there being a standalone John Doe to start the game? ... Perhaps... Role "Swap". Not role "become". So if it's a swap, that implies John Doe started as John Doe, but they can switch with a Sin. So who started as John Doe can now be a sin, and any sin we flip can at any point be John Doe?

Ahhh sooo...

John Doe doesn't "target", John Doe just can choose to role swap with any sin whose "counterpart" dies. They are LMS prior to the counterpart dying, once they die, they become "mafia" and John Doe can swap with any of them probably?

Pyxxy discovered this on day 2 because their counterpart was ... no their counterpart was Tutuu.

Hmmm.

So he became mafia as he died. He never realised he was mafia.

Then maybe this role swap thing is just role information they have that Pyxxy accidentally slipped? That all the sins have?

Right right right sooooo...

Thanks for coming to my ted talk here's the conclusion.

In addition to using your normal factional kill, you may employ one of the following one-shot actions each night:
Gluttony: ???
Greed: ???
Sloth: ???
Lust: ???
Pride: ???
Envy: ???
Wrath: ???
When you use an action that corresponds to a Deadly Sin, you may also role swap with them?

John Doe used Pyxxy's Pride action night 1?

Role swapped with Pyxxy?

Wait wait... Pyxxy used Pride's action on night 2 and roleswapped with Pride. Pyxxy was John Doe before night 2?

When they role swap out of being John Doe they kill themselves?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:39 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:36 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:34 am [VOTE: Mac] aubergine
I am pretty much ignoring you atm cuz I am solving the game, you're probably just town who is enjoying a few bevvies at night and tossing around some silly alcohol inspired ideas, and nothing you are doing or saying to me at the moment is interesting. You're cute though.
I will target you tomorrrow. I am a super-cop so if you are bad, you're fudged.

If you're town you'd solve with me, bevvies or not.

I've been solving with you. I've answered all your questions. I'm just not "reacting" to your nonsense lol.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 2:50 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 2:48 am This weekend is not for mafia, I will be here in the afternoon (12 hours or so)

For any questions, ping me

Mac, I agree a low poster is hard to read but if that’s the way Matahari plays is even harder to make a choice.
Do you know about Kate, Dennis and Dubz?

Seanzie why did you include Dubz in this list yesterday?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:34 am [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I am pretty much ignoring you atm cuz I am solving the game, you're probably just town who is enjoying a few bevvies at night and tossing around some silly alcohol inspired ideas, and nothing you are doing or saying to me at the moment is interesting. You're cute though.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:31 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:28 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:06 pm Reading me town for saying hi and for omgus it's also not very good, tutuu, and you have some dunno I could find a read for so why don't you have a read for them? Nook for eg, posted enough to deserve a read
I can see that you were thinking that Tutuu was sus because the consensus indicated it therefore there must have been something to it.

I can believe this perspective from you. It's kind of organic.

But now that we know it was bullshit, and I was pretty adamant I was seeing normal town Tutuu, I still want to torch every Tutuu voter who didn't have a reasonable perspective to be doing it. So off I go to find some victims. You aren't it.
Hello

You didn't vote Tutuu?

The only person who I want to kill for voting Tutuu is Wilgy. Matahari sheeping Kate is fine (tho they are still firmly lower POE to me). Michelle's progression there is kind of organic. SVS's vote is okay aside from sussing Dubz for it which is a bit off. Dubz I can't blame for being wrong cuz I don't think they should avoid voting Tutuu the way Wilgy should have been averse to.

To put it all in terms the ancients understand. Wilgy doesn't care about the roof.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 5:45 pm @Dubz Are you voting for Tutuu because she read the rules, or because you're sheeping Kate?

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 9:08 am
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:30 am Yay, new game! I've been excited for this one since it was posted.

I ll be reading back (only 5 pages today) and jump in later.

Oh good you're here
I will be sheeping you, at least for d1. No pressure.

Kate was the main person pushing Tutuu as wolfy day 1, Kate is persuasive and was towny so I do forgive some of the more "Kate siding" slots who wouldn't be opposed to just hurling a vote on a Tutuu. SVS tracks as that... but what's this about the rules, I don't follow SVS?

I can see that you have a reasonably towny progression on Tutuu so I'm not overly sus of your vote being there, but this reads like you're shading Dubz for voting Tutuu for bad reasons but before and after this your only progression on Tutuu is suspicion and it ends in a vote so it's kind of weird to take a shot at Dubz for a Tutuu vote at all even if the reason isn't great? Am I misunderstanding?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:49 am Wolfy 4th vote on Tutuu.

Have a nice day.

This was Wilgy's vote.

He left it there. All day.

He's not town.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:06 pm Reading me town for saying hi and for omgus it's also not very good, tutuu, and you have some dunno I could find a read for so why don't you have a read for them? Nook for eg, posted enough to deserve a read

I can see that you were thinking that Tutuu was sus because the consensus indicated it therefore there must have been something to it.

I can believe this perspective from you. It's kind of organic.

But now that we know it was bullshit, and I was pretty adamant I was seeing normal town Tutuu, I still want to torch every Tutuu voter who didn't have a reasonable perspective to be doing it. So off I go to find some victims. You aren't it.

Matahari, Wilgy, Dubz, SVS, Michelle

@Michelle how the hell did you end up voting Tutuu when you were tracking their wagon and sussing it throughout day 1?

@DrWilgy you really should have known better than to vote out Tutuu day 1. How am I take that as anything other than you just trying to remove a threat? Tutuu is a goat tier townie and you just lazily threw your voice behind getting rid of Tutuu day 1? What gives?

The two villagers voting there at least had reasons. Self pres, and Doom was adamant Porscha was town. The rest if you need to explain why you were voting Tutuu over Porscha?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:00 pm Poll:
Spoiler: show
DaughterOfOmega
1
4%
Voters: Epignosis
Dennis
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dubz
0
No votes
Voters: None
Epignosis
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
1
4%
Voters: Seanzie
jackofhearts2005
1
4%
Voters: pyxxy
Kate
0
No votes
Voters: None
Macdougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
Matahari
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes
Voters: None
Porscha
10
42%
Voters: tutuu, MacDougall, RondoDimBuckle, Roxy, Zenon, Jackofhearts2005, Thunal33, Dennis, Kate, falcon45ca
pyxxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
RondoDimBuckle
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Seanzie
1
4%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
Thunal33
0
No votes
Voters: None
tutuu
7
29%
Voters: Matahari, Porscha, DrWilgy, DaughterOfOmega, Dubz, S~V~S, Michelle
Zenon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 1:35 pm tutuu
4
40%
Voters: Zenon, falcon45ca, DrWilgy, RondoDimBuckle

Wagon getting even spicyer

Michelle had a genuine townread on Tutuu here imo and was tracking it accordingly. I think Michelle is probably town.

There's at least 1 mafia voting Tutuu here though. Wilgy now finding his way there ... meh. I felt like Tutuu was being regular Tutuu day 1 so I instinctively want to burn everyone who was pushing Tutuu alive here. @RondoDimBuckle I saw earlier in Michelle's ISO that you said Tutuu pocketed you, how did you find your way to voting Tutuu from there? Track the progression for me.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:45 am tutuu
3
38%
Voters: Zenon, falcon45ca, RondoDimBuckle

Spicy!!!

Interesting VC Michelle quoted for posterity here. I like that Michelle bothered to do this. It's pretty unlikely that Falcon/Rondo are t/t here.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:37 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:28 pm Any volunteers?
Wilgy
Dubz
Falcon
Epi
Matahari
Roxy

Target Epi with immediacy. He is the highest value solve in this list imo.
This is a good PoE tbh. I'm increasingly suspicious of Falcon since his solving seems different than I'm used to seeing from him. More appealing to the thread than, say, him throwing out that Splints/Zenon were w/w in Solar System without a care about what everyone else thought.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 12:49 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:08 am Falcon is mafia.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:52 pm
I have a fairly confident town read on Falcon. Part of it was him calling tutuu's meme game off because the pic didn't match her description. That's the kind of nitpicky paranoia I think comes way more often from town. Same with him talking about the details with Kate's vegetable list. Even though that one isn't entirely serious, imo it still shows Falcon cares about looking for things that seem off. I think his willingness to sling mud and engage with the thread also leans towny.

Why is Falcon town?

I am not saying that Falcon is town. I am pointing out the progression of Thunal from day 1 to now, asked her to explain it, which she did, and I remain skeptical.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:53 pm Earlier, I was made to post in ways that alluded to the seven deadly sins.

If you will notice, my first post was lust, my second (to S~V~S) was envy, etc.

Hope I didn't offend anyone. I am free to post normally.

Do we really believe Epi had a curse? What if he was just trying to encourage the sins to signal to him?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:10 pm I'm voting MacDougall out of basic, angry revenge.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:44 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:43 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:10 pm The most annoying shit ever for me is when I put faith in myself I'm wrong and when I doubt myself I'm right and it literally makes playing mafia so frustrating.

Anyways I was right on Doom that's cool. Why the fuck did they kill Doom.
Fear kill.
I don't agree. My thinking is a redirection is in play.

Most of Epi's ISO is like, okay in a "this is standard Epi" way but these two posts on day 2 kind of stand out as being awkward for him. @Jackofhearts2005 @DrWilgy @S~V~S you probably have the most experience with him. These posts lack the curmudgeonliness I associate with town Epi. Like he seems a bit more proactive, in a not very good way?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 9:08 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:45 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:17 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 11:14 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 11:06 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 11:04 pm We have a 4.8% chance of finding John Doe today. With those odds, why even bother?
But wouldn't it be cool if we did it and town just won after 1 day?
No, it wouldn't be cool. It would ruin something someone has worked very hard on for us to enjoy. Day 1 luck shot? I'd be pissed if I was the host.
You know, this actually makes sense. Not enough sense to not try to get the maf, but I see what you're saying.
I don't. The game is clearly designed to end in 1 day if it could end in 1 day. Thar conceivably would imply the host is okay with it in the first place. But this game can't end in 1 day anyways since there's another faction of Evils
I've solved the riddle.

Kate is John Doe.

First, the above. Why did what I say make sense? I pissed on the Day 1 clear, concise objective the host himself created. In a word, I fabricated an opinion.

Second, Kate said she had to reread the rules. I would expect that, if Kate, given her profession, had read the rules once (as indicated by the word "reread"), she wouldn't have missed what she did.

Third, I have it on good authority that she banned Dennis from all devices and is taunting him in the thread. Tsk tsk.

Number three probably isn't true, but I don't care. I've got this for sure. [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:10 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:04 pm
Why has epi been so quiet?

What am I supposed to be hunting right now? A one in a twenty-one chance, right?

I'm voting your mom or throwing dice, and that's if I can be bothered to get up and find any dice.

I kind of like this for Epi. He had low motivation to solve due to the numbers, did it anyway and somehow landed on a wolf that had everyone pocketed lol.

So far of my POE I think Wilgy and Matahari are scummiest. Dubz is a bit more of a shrug. Roxy is kinda towny.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:07 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:05 am
Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:57 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:44 am @falcon45ca where are you today with your thoughts?

@Matahari what be your reads after the last elim?

@pyxxy what did you make of the NK on Doom? Does it affect your reads today?

@Dubz where are you at in your reads today?

@Dennis do you have a rainbow or reads list yet?
Hi unsure. Haven't read since I mentioned I'd be sparse. Did not expect to be quite as sparse as I have been, this move has been hellish.

I'm going to try my best to catch up tomorrow but no internet at the new place yet so I'll be restricted to mobile. If anyone can give me a rundown on what I've missed so far this cycle that would be neato!
Dubz day 1 in hindsight was like ... kinda meh. Like not wolfy just meh.

This is their only day 2 post. They received a gift from Zenon night 1 with 3 votes. They did not use it. That makes me think they do not care about who they vote for. I know they were time limited, but I feel like a slanker with a triple vote at least shows some interest in figuring out where to put it?
Would she necessarily know about it? It's possible she didn't check her discord.

Sure and it's possible that they do that as either alignment but we have to play with probability and my point is that Dubz fell off a cliff day 2 when they had every incentive to do the opposite.

Presently I wouldn't prioritise solving them but they are in the POE pretty easily.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:02 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:59 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:52 pm The real question is; should I target Mac or Thun?
I find it extremely unlikely you are genuinely humouring the idea of targeting me. I don't understand the value of the reaction test but go off king. I'm pretty clearly the worst possible alignment check you could make in the game.

Imagine how much of a wet diarrhea fart it would be if you came back to the thread like "hey good news fam, Mac is town". People would hurl figurative garbage at you.
You think Thunal is clear, or no?

No, but I don't think it's a particularly good player to alignment solve when my POE is what it is. I think Thunal is approaching self resolving territory in terms of their effort to solve the game and will find it very hard to endgame as John Doe or a sin with the performance they are putting up.

My POE is full of slots who are playing a way where finding the mafia will never shoot them so the doubt will remain there until mech does the job.

Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:57 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:44 am @falcon45ca where are you today with your thoughts?

@Matahari what be your reads after the last elim?

@pyxxy what did you make of the NK on Doom? Does it affect your reads today?

@Dubz where are you at in your reads today?

@Dennis do you have a rainbow or reads list yet?
Hi unsure. Haven't read since I mentioned I'd be sparse. Did not expect to be quite as sparse as I have been, this move has been hellish.

I'm going to try my best to catch up tomorrow but no internet at the new place yet so I'll be restricted to mobile. If anyone can give me a rundown on what I've missed so far this cycle that would be neato!

Dubz day 1 in hindsight was like ... kinda meh. Like not wolfy just meh.

This is their only day 2 post. They received a gift from Zenon night 1 with 3 votes. They did not use it. That makes me think they do not care about who they vote for. I know they were time limited, but I feel like a slanker with a triple vote at least shows some interest in figuring out where to put it?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:52 pm The real question is; should I target Mac or Thun?

I find it extremely unlikely you are genuinely humouring the idea of targeting me. I don't understand the value of the reaction test but go off king. I'm pretty clearly the worst possible alignment check you could make in the game.

Imagine how much of a wet diarrhea fart it would be if you came back to the thread like "hey good news fam, Mac is town". People would hurl figurative garbage at you.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:27 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:06 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:45 pm I'm just gonna find wolfy players and basically wolfy solves and try to kill as many of those as I can whole trying to avoid killing any more villagers lol
Because wolfs aren't the only ones who play wolfy. Town does too. A lot. Arguably moreso.

And I like analyzing more than base 0 info. Other wise just like hammer and go home.
There is a time for trying to overthink things and it's not here yet... whoever is around in the mid to late game can worry about that shit... our job is to just make sure that by then the game isn't a complete mess and removing all the level 0 and level 1 shit while you can is important to that.

I'm not saying Porscha was that mind you. But the likes of solving Matahari and avoiding making wifom overthinking defenses of wolfy slots like Rondo are.
Catching up and I hard disagree here.

Mata is lhf.
She is an easy lynch and is mis-elimmed too often to count.
I will shield her in much the same way you are shielding Tutuu.

I hard disagree that she needs to be solved bc of lvl1 and lvl 0 "shit". I mean what does that even mean? Mata is a very insightful player and tbh I am so sick of her coming to play again and again only to be voted off D 1 or 3. Can we give her one chance in one game to show us her star shine?

This crap to have to "solve" like - Scotty/Pyxxy or Low Posters is such bs. And 90% of the time it leads to mis-elim's.

Why go for easy peasy elim's of low posters that won't be around to defend themselves on D 2 - no less?

Why not look at the higher posters? More material to work with....just sayin'.

I refuse to go gentle into that good night,old age should burn and rave at close of day; rage, rage against the dying of the light. Though wise men at their end know dark is right, because their works had forked no lightning they do not go gentle into that good night.

I missed this the first time. @Roxy I appreciate what you're saying, but it's only logical that players who post less of their thoughts are going to die to POE. It's just how mafia is played nowadays. I'm trying to assess in as good of faith as I can and I am just not seeing anything towny in Matahari. I can see wheels turning for you far easier.

If you have reason to believe Matahari is actually town beyond "they can be" I am interested to hear it. Cuz I would trust you to be able to read Matahari better than me. But if you are only townreading Matahari because of contrarian views on how the game should be played and not actual reasons please do say as much.

I am interested in high posters too. Just so far the highest posters in the game have been me and two dead town so ... fourth was Kate though so sure... Go ahead and find me another deepwolf. I'm certainly not opposed to pushing them.

But ultimately the POE game is gonna require us to chop through the lower posters that don't mech clear themselves or derp clear or IC themselves somehow. It's just how it's gonna be!

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 3:47 pm caught up for now.

feel ok about SVS, Kate, Epi, falcon and Jack rn

Wigly's 4th scum vote thing quigged me out but idk if that is enough to want to vote him for

Pyx feels slightly off

Michelle I cba'd to remember if we have played but the tone and vibe I get from your posts feel off

Mac having fun or overtly being bad idk I lean towards getting a role he liked but his ott entry was very pingy

Dennis very quiet wonder why he is not joking or f'ing around in the thread

Zenon/ Tutuu idk and frankly rn I feel off about both of them but it could be residual feelings from last game so Imma let it simmer for rn

Nook hey there pal lmao cba'd to read you just yet

Seanzie with his slank cover will be closely watched

everyone else is a crapshoot for me so far.

Looking through Roxy's day 1 and I am confident that they were at least trying to read the game earnestly. I cannot say the same at all for Wilgy and Matahari. While it's not clearing in this setup for obvious reasons, it's at least something in their favour versus the other two slots.

Matahari wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:41 am @S~V~S while I agree that the game can’t be completely based on the movie, I firmly believe that John Doe knew who the two detectives were, just like in the movie, and just like in the game’s opening story. Of course he can’t nk them, otherwise, what would be the point? But he can try to get them lynched.

So how is this for solving? Look at the votes for Portia all throughout day one, and the conversation around Portia, and bob’s your uncle. Bam, big man is gone.

Obviously, my thoughts return to either Mac or Zenon. If Mac is John Doe, and has an odd night tracking ability, then I have to wonder what his even night ability is. Well, he did mention that now he had outed himself, he will probably die. And yet he fearlessly continues being the self appointed game leader. How brave! And why not? He knows Doe will not want to be tracked, so we’re grateful for your sacrifice Mac.

I came here last night to catch up and try to float this idea about John Doe, but I was so busy picking my jaw up off the floor that I never got around to it. Anyway, I hear that Stockholm syndrome is going around and I sure don’t want to catch it, so Im outta here.

Can someone please help me unpack what's going on here?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:33 pm I still suspect Thunal despite that because she keeps pushing me and I also believe she would have killed Neon. Jack I just wanted to get some information on

Elaborate

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:37 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:28 pm Any volunteers?
Wilgy
Dubz
Falcon
Epi
Matahari
Roxy

Target Epi with immediacy. He is the highest value solve in this list imo.
This is a good PoE tbh. I'm increasingly suspicious of Falcon since his solving seems different than I'm used to seeing from him. More appealing to the thread than, say, him throwing out that Splints/Zenon were w/w in Solar System without a care about what everyone else thought.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 12:49 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:08 am Falcon is mafia.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:52 pm
I have a fairly confident town read on Falcon. Part of it was him calling tutuu's meme game off because the pic didn't match her description. That's the kind of nitpicky paranoia I think comes way more often from town. Same with him talking about the details with Kate's vegetable list. Even though that one isn't entirely serious, imo it still shows Falcon cares about looking for things that seem off. I think his willingness to sling mud and engage with the thread also leans towny.

I had a tell I was confident in (Falcon noticing tutuu's picture didn't match her description and making a read off it) until it failed me in a champs game I spectated.

Falcon was in a champs game?

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