The Syndicate

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:19 am but that's just from a brief look but may as well post it because posting to get town read is easy

I appreciate it. I read it. It should be acknowledged in the event of Alexa not self resolving and you flipping green or getting townier. Do you think Alexa had equity with Fingersplints?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:19 am There's supposed to be a trademark sign after that but it didn't appear.

it did for me

I would add that if we hit mafia today the chance of someone else dying goes up because the game will become less about killing the towniest problems and more about killing who benefits the last wolf the most and that becomes less predictable.

If the wolves get a green chop tho I'm dead.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:15 am Alexa, Mac, and Esooa are all town.

Now you 3 get along.

I'm not townreading Esooa for being frustrated at the game. That's literally exactly how she would be as wolf.

If she buries a wolf today we can talk but she's in my poe pending said outcome.

Like the only world I survive tonight in is Nanook wolf worlds.

I'll be dying night 2 most of the time so if you want to pick my brain for reads or anything today's probably your last chance.

Dolby also will die before SPF here if I'm dead before SPF.

The only slots I will lose to here are Alexa, Nanook and LC and if I'm in f3 with any of them I'll be voting them most likely.

The thing is if the mafia are in the poe of people I think they are in the only one who might win from here is SPF. Splints is going to probably die today and probably flip wolf. Esooa might live to f5 at most. If SPF is mafia she will make f3. Gira and Falcon will die before her as long as I'm dead and probably before Esooa too.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:05 am I've played games where I play straight forward and explain all my thoughts and reads as they're relevant, and really all it does it get people wolf read. Being not wolf read is about playing the crowd, as either alignment. It's just boring and stupid and the fact that my experience is that the easiest way to play as either town or wolf is just post things people will like rather than thoughts about the game is extremely jading because I am here to talk about things (which is mafia) not put on an extremely easy to manipulate show to get sway

You could always just play the game the way you want to play it and see where it goes. If town punishes itself while you are doing the right thing that's not on you.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:00 am idk what you do but you certainly have a disposition towards pushing me as more wolfy

I don't like townreading people who can carry a wolf team in a game of good players let alone someone whose wolfrange is vast.

And you empirically wolfsided day 1. I'd be going against my principles to townread you. If I townread you here it'd be only because I was mafia tbh.

or I can bounce so you don't feel irritated by my existence

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:41 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:40 am I can understand why you are annoyed Eoosa. From the flip to the moment you entered the thread would suck to put up with as either alignment. I don't hold it against you. I don't feel bad about it but I get it.
I don't that much care about the flip

I signed out of hydra g10 for a reason, I'm over it in all aspects even outside of game

And have zero wim in playing mafia in any games so shrug

fair enough

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:41 am I think at the least Finger is mafia.

Wilgy was voting Alexa for a good long while during EOD, he had the Finger wagon and Gira wagon, and talked specifically about the Finger wagon before finally trying to self-pres onto Finger.

Just full hesitation before realizing he needed to cut his losses and try to bus someone that isn't there.

Finger also never crossed.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:37 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:36 am
alexa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:35 am I wolfread finger and Gira

What is the spew Gira had going for him? I kinda think the best thing he has is idk why he kills illario over me.
Wilgy townread Gira out of nowhere unprompted when he was in antispew.
That's the opposite approach he had towards Gav when they were last teammates.

Would Wilgy run a reverse play on a teammate this game?

Sure maybe whatever lol.

I can understand why you are annoyed Eoosa. From the flip to the moment you entered the thread would suck to put up with as either alignment. I don't hold it against you. I don't feel bad about it but I get it.

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:35 am I wolfread finger and Gira

What is the spew Gira had going for him? I kinda think the best thing he has is idk why he kills illario over me.

Wilgy townread Gira out of nowhere unprompted when he was in antispew.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:32 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:30 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:09 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:06 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:05 am I thought maybe playing a non hydra game not multitabling would be better but it's not plus after day 1 mac is going to reeee at me even more

so lol, I will see when I get aroiund to posting this day phase
what am I supposed to do? townread you for trying to bury nanook when he pushed the flipped confirmed wolf?
I dunno, maybe yourself possible to engage with, or not make up things that never exist like thinking I found wolf partner Splints posts wolfy as w/w, then was like "eh but I just have to force a town read on this slot don't I so I'm going to" and everything else, or maybe even attempt to post any words at all about reading Nanook "obvious town" when he's posting literal bullshit in thread that could be randomly generated, and etc

I don't rly care to talk about it more than that
You're just salty i was right
I'm salty I'm in a game where people go "ALEXA IS SO obvious town" from minute 0, people like Mac go "NOOK IS SO OBVIOUS town" for no reasons, and half the reads are made in this way which is completely insulating in ways I've stopped caring to deal with

Eh you do it too when you have strong meta townreads. Just take a break.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:29 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:28 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:22 am I do not believe me asking your read day 1 would have gone anywhere productive irt to nanook
As in asking why I was townreading nanook?

Sure maybe I would have just said eat my ass. But if you asked me in a nice way I would have answered. I, like most humans respond when people engage me pleasantly.

So if you're saying "if I had have said lmao mac nook is obvious mafia" or something then yeah it'd have gone nowhere productive.

That notwithstanding I just have a lot of experience with nanook and something about the way he was putting together his gamestate just made me intuitively townread him. That's all there was to the read. Pure gut.
Yea, and I'm extremely over and mostly hate playing in games like that

So idk, kill me or whatever

You're over playing in games where people have insidious meta townreads that make the game less pure?

I can relate. It does suck.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:24 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:38 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:37 pm Also fwiw I dont think mac is particularly unaligned with wilgy
let's just put that bs aside right now
I'm not pushing it or you

I just want it on record for down the road if it becomes relevant

I'm not entirely sure what else I'd have needed to do to demonstrate being unaligned with Wilgy. If what occurred doesn't hit the benchmark probably nothing would.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:22 am I do not believe me asking your read day 1 would have gone anywhere productive irt to nanook

As in asking why I was townreading nanook?

Sure maybe I would have just said eat my ass. But if you asked me in a nice way I would have answered. I, like most humans respond when people engage me pleasantly.

So if you're saying "if I had have said lmao mac nook is obvious mafia" or something then yeah it'd have gone nowhere productive.

That notwithstanding I just have a lot of experience with nanook and something about the way he was putting together his gamestate just made me intuitively townread him. That's all there was to the read. Pure gut.

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:21 am Illario was more suspicious of finger and thought Esooa was town even if Wilgy W which is part of why I'm voting finger

I think its already a foregone conclusion that in a splints/esooa day splints dies because esooa doesn't get thread killed before f5 no matter what as a rule lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:19 am not really feeling esooa being a wolf tbh

esooa tried to bury nook for scumreading wilgy spf... that's squarely in "exactly what wolf esooa would do" territory.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:18 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:18 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:09 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:06 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:05 am I thought maybe playing a non hydra game not multitabling would be better but it's not plus after day 1 mac is going to reeee at me even more

so lol, I will see when I get aroiund to posting this day phase
what am I supposed to do? townread you for trying to bury nanook when he pushed the flipped confirmed wolf?
I dunno, maybe yourself possible to engage with, or not make up things that never exist like thinking I found wolf partner Splints posts wolfy as w/w, then was like "eh but I just have to force a town read on this slot don't I so I'm going to" and everything else, or maybe even attempt to post any words at all about reading Nanook "obvious town" when he's posting literal bullshit in thread that could be randomly generated, and etc

I don't rly care to talk about it more than that
I mean I'd happily engage with you if you stopped getting upset about me telling people what my reads are
day 2 is where idrc and I'm over it so do what you want

but you just asked me to make myself possible to engage with

falcon being mafia with wilgy would require them to have decided to vote together on me when I was 0 posting and nobody else was...

like when I entered the game my immediate reaction was to ask both of them which of them was the wolf cuz before I read a single post I assumed there was 1 wolf 1 town voting me

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:08 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:06 am
alexa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:03 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:01 am
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:54 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:53 pm i should clearly never be partnered with wilgy based on how d1 played out but alright
whys that
She had a weird townread on him based on incorrect meta and I felt like as W/W she would uh... check that. Guess someone like SPF could fake that so I want to double check it tomorrow but at the time it felt not W/W to me and I was thinking Wilgy W
fake meta townreads on wolf teammates is a very common wolf tactic
I agree but it was the fact that she linked a game to call him town for, for being different than his scum meta, and in the game she linked he was town, that just felt too dopey to be W/W
you are probably right but like... everyone else except splints and esooa have better anti alignment reasons imo.

I guess depending on how you think about it maybe you could argue gira and falcon's reasons are about on par.
fwiw if youre town then i get the impression that youre probably misclearing someone but i havent read enough of the spew to figure out who it is

ill let u know in like 24 hours lol

well when you are clearing the entire game bar 3 people when 2 mafia are alive the chances of that are high

but me solving the entire game on day 2 isn't entirely necessary lol

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:09 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:06 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:05 am I thought maybe playing a non hydra game not multitabling would be better but it's not plus after day 1 mac is going to reeee at me even more

so lol, I will see when I get aroiund to posting this day phase
what am I supposed to do? townread you for trying to bury nanook when he pushed the flipped confirmed wolf?
I dunno, maybe yourself possible to engage with, or not make up things that never exist like thinking I found wolf partner Splints posts wolfy as w/w, then was like "eh but I just have to force a town read on this slot don't I so I'm going to" and everything else, or maybe even attempt to post any words at all about reading Nanook "obvious town" when he's posting literal bullshit in thread that could be randomly generated, and etc

I don't rly care to talk about it more than that

I mean I'd happily engage with you if you stopped getting upset about me telling people what my reads are

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:07 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:54 pm I don't want to vote for Gira or Nook still.

Alexa is on Splints which makes me uncomfortable.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:36 pm I just re-read Gira and they are town too.

Ezgame.
my general impression of skimming through wilgy's ISO is that he was a TMI machine - he loudly and aggressively townread and TMI'd me, lime coke, ilario, etc. as such, his treatment of gira and his insistence on calling him town when he was coming under pressure comes off as potential TMI of gira being town too, even though wilgy was prolly in anti-spew by the time that he made this post

I agree ... the gira read was out of place in a way that makes more sense for him to be trying to make gira look worse tbh

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:05 am I thought maybe playing a non hydra game not multitabling would be better but it's not plus after day 1 mac is going to reeee at me even more

so lol, I will see when I get aroiund to posting this day phase

what am I supposed to do? townread you for trying to bury nanook when he pushed the flipped confirmed wolf?

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:03 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:01 am
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:54 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:53 pm i should clearly never be partnered with wilgy based on how d1 played out but alright
whys that
She had a weird townread on him based on incorrect meta and I felt like as W/W she would uh... check that. Guess someone like SPF could fake that so I want to double check it tomorrow but at the time it felt not W/W to me and I was thinking Wilgy W
fake meta townreads on wolf teammates is a very common wolf tactic
I agree but it was the fact that she linked a game to call him town for, for being different than his scum meta, and in the game she linked he was town, that just felt too dopey to be W/W

you are probably right but like... everyone else except splints and esooa have better anti alignment reasons imo.

I guess depending on how you think about it maybe you could argue gira and falcon's reasons are about on par.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:54 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:53 pm i should clearly never be partnered with wilgy based on how d1 played out but alright
whys that
because i was egregiously incorrect about him in a way that i doubt i would ever let myself be as a wolf

also i think that wilgy was clearly trying to pocket me by townreading me out of nowhere once i had softened on him and started calling him town (like in posts like these: viewtopic.php?p=882492#p882492)

I can accept this for as long as killing fingersplints and esooa results in pelts lol

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:54 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:53 pm i should clearly never be partnered with wilgy based on how d1 played out but alright
whys that
She had a weird townread on him based on incorrect meta and I felt like as W/W she would uh... check that. Guess someone like SPF could fake that so I want to double check it tomorrow but at the time it felt not W/W to me and I was thinking Wilgy W

fake meta townreads on wolf teammates is a very common wolf tactic

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:53 pm i should clearly never be partnered with wilgy based on how d1 played out but alright

whys that

oh yeh spf can be mafia instead of esooa or splints I guess

gira... wilgy townread them in a non teammy way
Alison... wilgy made a read on I think ilario that he spewed Alison town in the process of
nook... buried wilgy and doesn't usually bus but more importantly wilgy tried to pocket him in response
Lime Coke... the most spewed
falcon... was voting me when wilgy early on in a 2 person wagon with wilgy
alexa... wilgy tried to get her chopped

also think gira and falcon are town

goes without saying nanook, Lime Coke are town

alexa is just an f3 tinfoil

it's literally just esooa and fingersplints

dyslexicon is spewed town here imo

I also think Alison is

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:36 pm when I skimmed overnight I got a lot of confident solves out of wilgy's iso so this will be a fun day
Do share pls

no rush

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:37 pm Also fwiw I dont think mac is particularly unaligned with wilgy

let's just put that bs aside right now

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:36 pm Like I'm not particularly scumreading her but she claimed the nest read on wilgy in thread, town read him, and he flipped red

That doesn't make her scum by itself but it does mean she doesn't get to be in the town pile based on tone alone

let's not forget I had a cosmic teamsolve with esooa and fingersplints being wilgy partners ... I say we just flip em

when I skimmed overnight I got a lot of confident solves out of wilgy's iso so this will be a fun day

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:57 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:51 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:50 pm Wtf Mac where’d u come from lmao, have u read everything upto now?
yes I've been watching to see if anything ai occurred but no such luck
Whyd u specifically wanna know falcons srs when he’s not even online rn?
how am I meant to know he's not?

he has no votes and usually he does so I feel he might be coasting maf
Oh I thought you did because you said you were online and keeping up but not talking

and how do I know falcon isn't doing similar?

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:51 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:50 pm Wtf Mac where’d u come from lmao, have u read everything upto now?
yes I've been watching to see if anything ai occurred but no such luck
Whyd u specifically wanna know falcons srs when he’s not even online rn?

how am I meant to know he's not?

he has no votes and usually he does so I feel he might be coasting maf

yes I saw your question but my answer is like "I dunno" or something

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:50 pm Wtf Mac where’d u come from lmao, have u read everything upto now?

yes I've been watching to see if anything ai occurred but no such luck

@falcon45ca top 3 wolves plz?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:48 pm If you want a flash wagon it should be on dizzy

why?

@ilario @fingersplints what's going on? are you guys wolves together?

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:44 pm @Esooa I don't think Wilgy is as scummy as your reaction to Nanook pushing him tbh. Hence why I voted you and not him. I didn't think Nanook was town for the quality of his reads or his push on Wilgy. I felt he was just in his town meta and it was quite clear to me. Your reaction to him was like an anti mind meld that quickly created sound worldview when I thought about your meta.
Wilgy was being towny and nanook has done literally nothing and then Nanook made a wolf read on the easiest ML in the thread and everyone else was agreeing because it's easy to do shit like that so I fought against it. Simple as dirt and you've seen me do it 100s of times.

I remember calling Wilgy a d1 mislynch in waiting in a game in which you were town not so long ago and you called it a meme.

I also can see you being mafia and Wilgy being town and using Nanook's bad push on Wilgy to push Nanook.

I rank both these likelihoods higher than you being town.

@Esooa I don't think Wilgy is as scummy as your reaction to Nanook pushing him tbh. Hence why I voted you and not him. I didn't think Nanook was town for the quality of his reads or his push on Wilgy. I felt he was just in his town meta and it was quite clear to me. Your reaction to him was like an anti mind meld that quickly created sound worldview when I thought about your meta.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:08 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:58 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:22 pm i don't care enough about the town pings i had on wilgy to defend the read, they had a couple good posts but i wolfread them earlier and their read on me and how they're interacting with me is weird, same with finger
this might not be fair for me to say but i feel like youre kind of rushing to concede to mac's solve in this post? i don't really think it makes you wolfy and it actually might be towny for you to shift your reads so easily, but saying: "jk, my townreads on wilgy and fingersplints were fake, actually" immediately after mac wolfreads them is really odd timing
mac can wild out, but nook agrees too - nook has pretty accurate reads as town and busses as wolf from what i've seen so that helps. also, this doesn't feel like a bus to me from nook because there's like.. no interaction? if it was W/W i'd expect them to theater it in some way like he did with luckbox but it feels like nook calling wilgy a wolf then wilgy just kinda avoiding him

when there's people i'm less familiar with but who frequent the syndicate a lot (like wilgy/finger in this scenario, but this applies to any game when i'm not as familiar with some people as others), i tend to let others' i townread or respect read them. i had a couple small town pings but my strong townreads are LC/illario/dizzy/Mac/esooa (though if Wilgy is W, i wouldn't feel as great about the esooa read, would probably replace with nook)

plus it doesn't hurt that i was the first (?) one to scumread him and i thought his earlier posting was wolfy

anyways bbl in 2 hours im capped

nanook doesn't bus

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