The Syndicate

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:02 am it was honestly a pretty bad meta tell that esooa herself showed awareness enough of to be able to do as scum so yea

also i walk back even stuff i call lock town or lock scum pretty regularly

macs callout is interesting but does not inspire confidence, neither in it being correct nor it being town indicative for him

what was interesting about it?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:23 am My money is on Kami and Esooa being the mafia

past mac u suck pal

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:34 am that'd be funny if so

I feel like I don't buy basically any of his reads but in isolation his posts look mostly towny and thoughtful. There's a lot of townreads on slots that I don't feel were towny. A lot of random speculative tinfoil in opportunistic moments and just very little to vibe with him on.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:11 am one paranoid world ive floated is "esooa is spending her energy coaching LC how to play scum" but whatevz we'll let em have it if thats the world

iaafr ignores esooa's 112 is outed post and immediately puts some tinfoil on her.

this is wolfy in a very crafty way.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:02 am esooa i miss ur words can u bring light to this game

I reeeeally think this dude has just been hard-core pocketing esooa all game.

Kami wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:59 am Ender
Alisonn
Esooa
Iaafr

both scum are in this list i guarantee it

always at least 1 but I feel like it is almost a given 112 slot was wolf at this point in my catch up...

there aren't great wolf/wolf pairings I can make here ... like alison/esooa is plausible but it's very unlikely just because I'm decently townreading both...

I feel like iaafr/112 has more merit than ender/112 has due to the way Ender has fought ... didn't fight like someone with no teammate. Iaafr never really got put under all that much pressure and even at one point lamented vociferously the absence of 112.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:40 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:35 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:32 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:28 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:20 am If Kami is scum Ender is her most likely partner.

If Kami is town you should definitely dunk on Ender for being her top scumread that's trying to kill her.

Ender's sole sus list is people who sus him.

Vote Ender out.
Apparently I'm not allowed to sus people who sus me.

Also.

Again.

I have explicitly said that there is one scum (at least) outside the Mac/Kami/Alison trifecta of people who are at least pseudopushing me.

Which implies I am currently working out who isn't pushing me that is scum.

Which implies that my scumlist actually isn't all the people pushing me.
Remind me again why you think there can't be two wolves in that trifecta?
I don't see it likely that the only 2 wolves in a 9p mountainous would immediately hard-align.

If there is than one of them is probably Mac but I also was kinda townreading him earlier so
1) Why not?

2) You've suspected both me and Kami way more than you've suspected Mac, and you actually pointed out earlier that Kami initially sussed me and then pivoted to you for vague reasons. Given those thoughts, I'd expect you to find a Kami-Alison wolfteam most likely, not a Mac-X wolfteam. The fact that Kami came in calling my tone wolfy and awkward lines up with your own theory that wolves would be uncomfortable hard aligning instantly, so... why isn't that team higher up in your list of possibilities?

3) Why do you think a wolf is pushing you at all, anyway? Me/Mac/Kami are all hardheaded townies who will tunnel their first suspect, even if that person is town. If you're town, can't the wolves be sitting back and eating popcorn while watching us kill you?

I think more likely they would be doing what rabbit is doing given ender is capable as town of digging himself out of holes

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:39 am nothing ender's posted has given you doubt?

i feel like im almost going crazy but im not the type to hard defend even if he's my 2nd top town atp

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:36 am I will say that Kami hard-busses in odd ways as scum and I could absolutely seeing her set things up like this if we were w/w.

this is also a reasonably towny post

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:23 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:22 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:28 am Also yeah iaafr is town.
I could find my way into sussing you less if I didn't read so much of your content as tmi
I want to remind you that you tried going after me in Hydra G4 because my reads were "TMI" but I was town.

but alas there is a lot more to my concerns with you here than just that... its simply the thing pushing me to the point of having you as my top wolf

also can be partners but less likely

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:34 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:31 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:24 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:20 am If Kami is scum Ender is her most likely partner.

If Kami is town you should definitely dunk on Ender for being her top scumread that's trying to kill her.

Ender's sole sus list is people who sus him.

Vote Ender out.
explain the first thought

because part of my issue with your worldview is I'm not sure it's that realistic to jump to kami hardbussing ender the way enders been acting
Why isn't that bus realistic?

Kami is just sitting here repeating "Ender is outed" over and over, he's right about that. Scum are way more likely to do that to a partner than to a random townie.
his reaction feels unaligned and i feel like a kami/ender wolfteam would have them both doing different things right now, but that's just vague conjecture and not backed by anything concrete

i mean im townreading him and i have trouble agreeing with any of the wolfreads on him so that's coloring my view

kami's most recent reaction to your post also reads as "not actually a player who is actually bussing ender"

it was here that it dawned on me that iaafr is almost always mafia if Ender is town

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:31 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:24 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:20 am If Kami is scum Ender is her most likely partner.

If Kami is town you should definitely dunk on Ender for being her top scumread that's trying to kill her.

Ender's sole sus list is people who sus him.

Vote Ender out.
explain the first thought

because part of my issue with your worldview is I'm not sure it's that realistic to jump to kami hardbussing ender the way enders been acting
Why isn't that bus realistic?

Kami is just sitting here repeating "Ender is outed" over and over, he's right about that. Scum are way more likely to do that to a partner than to a random townie.

I feel conviction in this read

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:28 am Also yeah iaafr is town.

I could find my way into sussing you less if I didn't read so much of your content as tmi

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:20 am If Kami is scum Ender is her most likely partner.

If Kami is town you should definitely dunk on Ender for being her top scumread that's trying to kill her.

Ender's sole sus list is people who sus him.

Vote Ender out.

this kami/ender w/w read is wild... what were you thinking here?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:10 am Iaafr can I get a general tierlist? I've seen your towncore and a few other thoughts but would appreciate a confidence-ordered list

particularly given this post implies you were quite conscious of his reads

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:17 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:15 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:58 am [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I'mma be back later otherwise I'm going to cross out of snark territory.
ender voting Alison after iaafr outed a scumread on her reads opportunistic
You realise that I WAS voting Alison first.

Then I voted Kami out of annoyance.

Then I swapped BACK to Alison after I realised that I was letting my irritation take over?

I don't see how that's relevant to the specific point I made re. the timing being immediately after iiafr outed a scumread on Alison.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:16 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:13 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:11 am I'm honestly debating if it's even worth the effort trying to stop Mac confbiasing himself onto killing me when I'm town.
it is worth the effort if you are town

I will be fair if you make valid arguments, avoid ate and avoid insulting me
It's more a "I have a headache and the log4j issue + other things means work is busy" which makes me low energy.

But I'll try to write up my change on Esooa and my current worldview.

Later though. I'm delirious from painkillers so my writeup would be bad.

you aren't dying tonight and I very well could so there's no rush on trying to get me on your side

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:02 am The irritating thing is this is probably towny of Kami.

Mostly because I don't remember getting this annoyed at her in either of the wolf games she played when I've been in the game.

enders towniest moment to date

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:15 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 4:36 am probably we should just kill luckbox ender and wilgy and call it a game tbh
That is Esooa's exact POE and also my exact POE.

All three of us can't be wolves so it's probably just correct.

I am torn because I kinda feel like we are griefing if Esooa is scum and we ignore Kami's last wishes though.

But if Esooa/Mac/Alison all converge on the same POE separately there's a lot of sense in just following it.

let me finish catch up first my reads have marginally shifted

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:01 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:52 am Right.

Kami's argument process is "You're outed" on repeat I see.

Good talk.
Esooa voting Kami is interesting because Esooa pretty much taught me how to read Kami when I found Kami confusing and enigmatic

but this is exactly how Kami plays, fwiw

@Luckbox Inc had you backread enough to have seen esooa claim to not being able to read kami prior to making this post?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:58 am [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I'mma be back later otherwise I'm going to cross out of snark territory.

ender voting Alison after iaafr outed a scumread on her reads opportunistic

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:50 am actually you don't have to answer immediately if you don't want to

in any case my current wolfreads are Alison and luckbox, Alison because I find her turn on kami a bit unnatural and possibly opportunistic (not strong wolfread) and luckbox because of entrance, constantly highlighting lack of being caught up, and the articulation of the kami/Alison thing.

both very tentative

hmmm not vibes...

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:11 am I'm honestly debating if it's even worth the effort trying to stop Mac confbiasing himself onto killing me when I'm town.

it is worth the effort if you are town

I will be fair if you make valid arguments, avoid ate and avoid insulting me

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:44 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:43 am ok

[VOTE: Kami] aubergine
Something something poll vote

But I'm willing to give this a shake.

[VOTE: Kami] aubergine

annoying

Kami wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:15 am ender is also in commentary mode
outted wolf

dang I really could have prevented this chop ... vibing with Kami a lot

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:13 am TMI reads early are rarely accurate ngl.

It's something I've actually been cutting from my scumhunting until some flips have been had.

ender seeing an opportunity to become the voice of reason

Kami wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:09 am iaafr i think ur tming

kami got the same vibe that I did from that post

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:43 pm have you ever seen her play wolf? do you not fear that shes the type to project that energy as both alignments?

truth be told im sort of resisting the urge to read that post as you TMIing kami town but its tough

probably iaafr's worst post to date

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:32 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 10:59 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:31 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:20 pm I think Kami is a wolf now.

Ender's re-entrance has been yuck. His strongest read is that I am scum for pushing him for bad reasons on page 1.
why do you think kami is a wolf
I think the whole "I refuse to solve anyone except Ender" stuff is scummy. I think the continual refusal to acknowledge *anyone's* actions as townie is scummy.
Yeah I think this is basically both of their metas perfectly. Kami seems like Kami (assuming this is true which there is no reason to doubt) and Alison's reaction is v! Alison.

not the stance I would expect scum luckbox to take in the circumstances

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:24 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:18 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:14 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:12 pm hi luckbox what do you think of alisons current read of kami
You should know that I've read like 10% of the posts this game and have no idea what Alison's current read of Kami is-- and for me to have an opinion on this I would need to have an opinion on Kami myself-- which I do not

wolfy question imo
Try backreading before responding instead of snarking.

That's a fine question tbh.
You're right.

Just not sure if I'm actually ready for that unfortunately....but I think Kami is exactly the sort of person that Alison would find wolfy as a default-- since Kami's playstyle isn't exactly "pro village" in a vacuum and Alison can be super level 0 about that sort of stuff

I'll go actually look though and see what she's saying

quite an insightful read

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:16 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 10:57 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:33 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:20 pm I think Kami is a wolf now.

Ender's re-entrance has been yuck. His strongest read is that I am scum for pushing him for bad reasons on page 1.
Doubling down on pushing me*

Also no, my strongest read is LC town.
LC has done nothing townie.
Except for play into his town meta, that is.

I believe ender to be unaligned with Alison and Lime Coke

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:46 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

we really do play a very similar game lol

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:39 pm iaafr is way more obviously town than LC

mmmm this is a good read for the point of the game and a good sized dose of wake up le town

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:31 pm I'm also ignoring Kami because she's going to get stuck in her "I am right" for now and I got no clue what she wants from me.

I'm half tendant to think she's town because of her weirdness this game but also I'm moderately sure that one of Alison/Mac/Kami is wolf so.

kami flipped town... I'm town... where you going with this now?

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:20 pm I think Kami is a wolf now.

Ender's re-entrance has been yuck. His strongest read is that I am scum for pushing him for bad reasons on page 1.

I think wolf Alison would be more mindful not to make this read while kami is burying ender ... it doesn't serve the wolf agenda to scumread both both them

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:16 pm
Kami wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:56 pm esooa hasn't done anything villagery and mac has played this exact game as wolf before too
I mean...I get that. At least Esooa is the worst person I can read based off of "tone" and stuff like that and I had a certain approach to her in Philo 2 which I ended up being correct on scumreading her, only to waver because my dumbass townreads AtE.
However I saw someone else that I townread basically saying the same thing and proceeding to just townread her, so I don't feel as bad outing a townread.

Mac I've sorta tilted the table multiple games in a row mainly because we've butted heads numerous times and it's lead to me scumreading/refusing to townread him for multiple games. I did get him twice when he was mafia at least with a confident enough read as opposed to "fuck it, just vote him out" annnnd figured him as town in a few games correctly?

This has kind of been a bit of a change in my approach to both how I play in general and how I read those 2, and a few others, in that instead of head hunting for when they're mafia I should just flat out try to achieve 100% accuracy in reading their alignments.

but alas... this is an ok explanation and checks out

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:00 pm
Kami wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:54 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:54 pm
Kami wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:52 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:52 pm
Kami wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:50 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:49 pm

Do you have anyone as town?
luckbox confirmed town
Why?
do you have anyone as town?
Yes. Rabbit, Mac, and Esooa so far.
why
I already explained but TL:DR

Rabbit for how he was trying to solve Esooa and his thoughts were pretty much mirroring mine, Mac for serious solving tone and being totally different from Philo 2, and Esooa for her response to Alison on a read that I don't think she would do so in a way if she were mafia.

being honest none of these reasons are quality and the reason on me is particularly bad cuz Lime Coke knows full well that game is pure outlier and tbh up til this point in the game nothing I'd done here is outside my normal scumrange

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:49 pm
Kami wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:46 pm ender is lock wolf for me, there is only 2 mafia so ill wait to find the last after he gets lynched
Do you have anyone as town?

@Lime Coke talk me through why you chose this question please?

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:46 pm ender is lock wolf for me, there is only 2 mafia so ill wait to find the last after he gets lynched

yeh

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:43 pm damn my original scum team of 112 lc isn't valid huh

112 still can be

I amst not entirely le sold on lc at this point in my ketchup

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:52 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:45 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:44 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:42 pm im not totally sold on mac town because i could see him stepping it up to prove himself not a total walkover scumplayer but overall still lean town on him prolly
Anyone who thinks Mac is a walkover scum player hasn't seen him actively try.

He nearly outposted me as scum D1 once and I had 300 posts.
context is that lc and i just played a game (esooa was there too but subbed into a scum slot d2) where mac (and p much his entire scumteam, tbf) just kinda phoned it in d1 and got d2'd

(this game https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2237 )
Ah I see context.

What's your opinion on both Mac and Kami doing this weird dance where they sorta scumread Alison to start then come around to being more on scumreading me?

trying to get iaafr to scumread two town in a weasel like manner

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:22 pm [VOTE: Kami] aubergine

I probably should change my playstyle back towards the tunnel approach just a touch tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:21 pm Ender is just talking utter bs here

oh past mac already noticed all this

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:19 am So I'm gonna make a formation of players.

In this corner of "No posts" I'll put 112.

In this corner we have the "I have a scumread and want to vote but they also need to do more and maybe I'm jumping the gun." duo of Luckbox and Kami.

Over here we have the "Pure unboxed town" of Esooa and LC.

Then we have the "Maybe towny but I also like have black spots" of Mac and iaafr.

Then there's the "I'm voting here for now" of Alison.

Good.

Sorted the game.

pure unboxed duo is such because suspecting those two players in particular is a massive chore and it's easier to just not to

suspect Alison who is actively pushing him is easy work and keeps him busy

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:14 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:49 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:48 am
Kami wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:28 am [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
Wolfy and awkward tone the whole game tbh
like when this post came out i thought it was a meldy and villagery take and now im being stupid and questioning that maybe

but now im questioning questioning that

whatever
I am pretty confident Alison is town. I was just trying to bait a mafia to make a scumread on someone who was being obvious town tbh.
Counterpoint:

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

refuge in audacity

however probably always a mafia between ender and Alison

about 80/20 that it's ender here

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:09 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:57 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:56 am Stop trolling and explain your case and vote me then.
that wouldn't be towny
Okay this is mildly towny from Mac.

Also made me laugh.

the addition of the adverb mildly is designed herein to not shift his position too strongly away from reasonable being able to never have to answer for shifting back to scumreading me if need be

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:03 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:01 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:43 am Alison scumslipped probably
Interesting.

While she's on my sus-list I wouldn't agree with this.

Elaborate?
Alison said above this that Luckbox will eventually towntell which isn't true if he's a wolf presumably

I think criticizing people for treating someone as town is poor personally
It's being nitpicky with phrasing.

Being nitpicky with Phrasing has been the worst read I've ever tried. Well not the worst but it was pretty unreliable.

this is a wolf post

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:57 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:33 amluckbox/ender gg
Gonna need elaboration bruh.

this pretty decently exactly how a mafia would react to someone calling their exact team tbh

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:55 am I actually hate Mac's end of page 1.

did u tho

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