The Syndicate

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:59 am A surviving mafia having my card is... not bad but worse than them not having it. Assuming that Nanook is town, TH might have a ability to force 2 or even 3 player swaps on even nights.

I am confused af by this post.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:02 pm @c4e5g3d5 @Alison @Lime Coke @Scotty you all still have your original cards yes?

I don't know what this means

in the discord you will have a card at the top of the chan you have with guillo... it should be creatures card

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:15 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:13 pm I think this means we need to kill the wolf who has the soup here instead of TH?

I doubt it’s one ability. It’s probably shared as a team thing.

Like, if one wolf has that ability, is lynched D1, how broken is that

I don't necessarily agree tbh. I have seen a soup mechanic be the ability of a single wolf before I am sure. If the host considers it a mafia ability as opposed to anticlaim for balance purposes it makes sense.

I think this means we need to kill the wolf who has the soup here instead of TH?

Actually the soup kill is probably on a cycle if 3. It wasn't triggered until d3. Was a day ability. Makes sense itd be the last used in a cycle. That it was on a cycle means it was forced d3 which explains why they took a risky shot with it. This also means it is back tomorrow. Given Martin and TH both went belly up we might actually have lost the game to the last wolf who has the soup in their joat set and already has a game winning soup.

or its on a cycle

@c4e5g3d5 @Alison @Lime Coke @Scotty you all still have your original cards yes?

N2 Honey gets Nook's card. Nook gets TH's card. Dolby gets Honey's card. Neither Nook or Dolby claim it. Honey didn't do it or she would have told HK in DVC. The default swap chance is very low so for all these to go off is odd.
N3 Nook swaps it with Listo and again succeeds against the odds.

TH therefore has Dolby's card?

Someone has an ability to make all card swaps succeed and used it n2? Possibly a passive of someone's?

@Dolby should we be concerned if TH has your card?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:13 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:11 pm The thing about the soup being fake theory is that it requires mafia to actually have a pretty good attempt at working out what my role is, read into LC's doctor soft, and then use those things to try to make their fake soup more convincing rather than, you know, actually souping us and getting free KP. According to Mac the Ascetic guess on him was correct and Dolby's guess was correct as well. Mafia had a bunch of information to genuinely soup on and with Ender being run up that day it makes more sense for them to try to end the game than go for a bluff play.

If the soup was fake, where is the real soup? Why is Dolby not dead after blasting Ender in the face with a claimed ability? Why is Mac not dead?

Or HK. Yes I concur.

Flea I get killing but who kills LoMo and why? I think that thinking about that might be good?

I think it was a redirect. I ended the prior day voting LoMo. I think a town redirector moved the kill off me or Alison and onto LoMo.

N2. Honey gets Nanook's card. Dies with it.

Listo has TH card. Nook has Listo's card. Dolby has Honey's card.

Hmmm.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:06 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME whose card do you have?

Listo's

Have you had any other cards at any point and what night did you get it? Did you force swap any of them?

Also if you were mafia would you give it to a town in the POE or to a town clear? Also for you Listo.

Also just claim it probably.

listo95 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:38 pm @listo95 is your card ability something that would suck in all hands? Or just in your hands?

It sucks for anyone who has it.

So if TH was town it would be something he would seek to get rid of and give to his primary suspect?

Yes. We should.

Worth mentioning that Dolby has Honey's card and she flipped with Nanooks. Nanook claims to not be responsible for either.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME do you have Dolby's card?

Honey might have force swapped her card with Nanook's but that wouldn't explain how Dolby ended up with it.

So either one of Dolby and Nanook are lying or someone else has a card swap role and targeted Dolby and Nanook to swap.

@Dolby I assume this swap occurred on N3? Or did you end up with Honey's card on N2?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME at any point did you possess Honey's card?

Sorry if this has been discussed.

@listo95 is your card ability something that would suck in all hands? Or just in your hands?

I don't think they are unlikely to swap with each other by proxy. If I was mafia my card is one that would make sense to give to a mafia teammate in some contexts for instance.

Mansnicks had a 10% chance of blowing up anyone who targets them. Town. I think it might have been slightly misworded and meant to say it blows themselves up as well. If so this is marginally more townie than rand as a 10% chance of killing themselves is not good for mafia.

Falcon had a 10% chance of surviving a NK unless double targeted. Very mildly town. Shit card.

Michelle had a 10% chance of watching who they target. Quite townie actually.

Seanzie had a 20% chance of finding out how many swaps were attempted. Null probably.

TSP had a 10% chance of getting a random sane green check. Very very town.

HK had a 10% chance of resurrection but removing their abilities. Nullish. Maybe townie in the context of their JOAT powers.

Nanook had a 20% chance of getting another shot of one of their abilities. Kind of hard to tell. Died in Honey's possession. Kinda sus.

EW had a 10% chance of being able to out a killer's identity. Quite townie tbh.

Gnome had a 10% chance of disabling the mafia factional every night. Powerful town role.

LoMo had a 20% chance of neighbouring the first person that visits them with a non killing power. Towny af.

Osie had a 10% chance of disabling all the cards every night. Mafiaish.

Flea had a 10% chance of getting 2 votes. Null.

They seem to be like a little AI but maybe not given they can be swapped. They might be randomised and the mafia can end up with neg util powers and be forced to try to get rid of them maybe.

Not sure how much there is to gain from solving through them sadly.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:17 pm Outting mine could be bad if wolfs don't already have it and they have a soup attempt every 3 days or something

Soup can target cards?

Ngl I didn't know I could try to force swap cards.

Is there any threat to us outing all our card abilities exactly?

Hmm the cards being AI theory has too many holes in it upon second thought. Due to the swapping function.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:11 pm The thing about the soup being fake theory is that it requires mafia to actually have a pretty good attempt at working out what my role is, read into LC's doctor soft, and then use those things to try to make their fake soup more convincing rather than, you know, actually souping us and getting free KP. According to Mac the Ascetic guess on him was correct and Dolby's guess was correct as well. Mafia had a bunch of information to genuinely soup on and with Ender being run up that day it makes more sense for them to try to end the game than go for a bluff play.

If the soup was fake, where is the real soup? Why is Dolby not dead after blasting Ender in the face with a claimed ability? Why is Mac not dead?

Or HK. Yes I concur.

Who else currently doesn't possess their own card?

I have mine still fwiw.

Some of them can be both alignments but given Osie and Gnome's I would say that is more incidental and the effects were designed after the rand.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:05 pm Btw the flavour cards are alignment indicative.

How so?

Look at Garden Gnome's card.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:04 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:01 pm so in summary from this magnificent solving:


TH is wolf, like we expect.
Listo/nook are probably last wolves if this doesn’t end it.

Got it. Back to sleep then

Does people trying to solve a game of mafia offend you?

Not at all, I’m more rolling my eyes at you calling it some of the most effective solving you’ve done all game.

Why does me saying that cause that emotional response exactly?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME whose card do you have?

Btw the flavour cards are alignment indicative.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:01 pm so in summary from this magnificent solving:


TH is wolf, like we expect.
Listo/nook are probably last wolves if this doesn’t end it.

Got it. Back to sleep then

Does people trying to solve a game of mafia offend you?

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:02 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:49 pm @Alison do you have a gut read or anything on Listo?

My gut says he's town.

same...

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:01 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:58 pm @hollowkatt did Honey mention anything about card swapping? She died and Nanook's card flipped.

I've said this like 5 times but I currently have Honey's card. REceived it N3

So someone took her card when they killed her and then gave it to you n3?

Why would they give it to you?

@hollowkatt did Honey mention anything about card swapping? She died and Nanook's card flipped.

I feel like this is some of the more effective solving we've done all game. It's like taking a 24 hour break rejuvenated everyone lol.

@Alison do you have a gut read or anything on Listo?

oh nvm

@listo95 got a solve for us?

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:11 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:08 pm

Some heinous charges have been filed by a Prosecutor against Scotty. You all have been selected to serve on Scotty's jury. Each player must decide if Scotty is innocent or guilty by voting in the thread. To cast a guilty vote, you simply vote Scotty in thread like normal.

To cast an innocent vote, you vote anyone OTHER than Scotty in thread. A simple majority (8 players) will be required to pass sentence on Scotty. If the simple majority is achieved, then the Prosecutor may then choose to immediately execute or pardon Scotty. No notice will be given in thread if Scotty is pardoned.

This will not end the day, and the normal end of day elimination will still happen regardless of it Scotty is executed, pardoned, or if no majority is reached.

So the way I read this was that the result was first to 8. 8 votes on Scotty before 8 votes on others and he dies. A lot of people just kept voting as though this wasn't in play. I assume most of them just didn't read it correctly or something?

yeah a lot of people ignored it. I'd blame the HK/TSP situation for that

Scum did know about it though, since Ender addressed it

Did you ignore it? What was your reason for not taking the kill?

So this is what happened with the Scotty prosecution.

For - HK (1), Seanzie (6), Mac (8)

Against - Scotty (2), TSP (3), Honey (3), Flea (4), TH (5), Garden Gnome (7), Dolby (9), Creature (10), Osie (11)

Notably Ender was present and holstered his vote throughout the entire duration of the event. Innocent was hammered by a wolf. With the 2nd last vote being cast by a POE member who is hard shielding Scotty rn. All three people who voted yes are town?

Nanook speculated early about taking the free kill but also never voted either way. The whole thing was uber borked by HK outing a red check on TSP and several guns going off.

honey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:16 pm mac hk rose from the dead

ummm is Honey from the future? Look at when she posted this.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:10 pm someone give me the good points about Listo

Dead wolves tried to earnestly push him.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:08 pm

Some heinous charges have been filed by a Prosecutor against Scotty. You all have been selected to serve on Scotty's jury. Each player must decide if Scotty is innocent or guilty by voting in the thread. To cast a guilty vote, you simply vote Scotty in thread like normal.

To cast an innocent vote, you vote anyone OTHER than Scotty in thread. A simple majority (8 players) will be required to pass sentence on Scotty. If the simple majority is achieved, then the Prosecutor may then choose to immediately execute or pardon Scotty. No notice will be given in thread if Scotty is pardoned.

This will not end the day, and the normal end of day elimination will still happen regardless of it Scotty is executed, pardoned, or if no majority is reached.

So the way I read this was that the result was first to 8. 8 votes on Scotty before 8 votes on others and he dies. A lot of people just kept voting as though this wasn't in play. I assume most of them just didn't read it correctly or something?

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:05 pm If you have a watch or doctor be on me or Alison tonight in case mafia have a redirector or something

I think the redirector is town. I think they also have a green check because between the n1 kill and the LoMo kill one of them had to have been redirected.

If we had a watcher or something we could watch me tonight and force the POE to visit me and then just chop everyone who survives lol.

Reminder no town visit me tonight as I have to activate the disloyal PGO and you will die if you try to visit me.

Your BDE is pretty towny tho I will admit.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:52 pm Your big solve is LC.

LC was god read town by Honey. Soup targeted. And allowed himself to get vanillaised last night.

Where is the wolf there? I would love to see it cuz I scumread him on day 1 and I enjoy being proven right. But the facts don't align.

Godread idgaf
Soup idgaf
Vanillaised, didn't realize, honestly compelling, but smth smth lazy regardless of alignment
Let's just hope it's some dumb shit like listo if you're set here but supposedly he's spewed

Do I seem set?

I'm not set lol.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:57 pm For my own reference

Mac, Alison, Dolby, HK

Lime Coke (soup)

Listo, Scotty, C4, Nanook

TH

If we elevate someone we're pretty close to winning

tbh out of the someone's that aren't LC the most valid is probs Nanook

LC has more going for him than just soup. As I mentioned.

Nanook has hard townsided. I wolfed with him as this game was starting and he basically just never pushed any wolves. If this meta holds up then he's just town for the fact he left it hang on Ender d1. His need to sheep Alison and I to placate us isn't all encompassing and doesn't overwrite his mafia agenda.

Listo is a bit weird. Could be a wolf. I checked and they have made exactly 10 posts today. Have been camping because they near instantly reacted when I pinged them out yet haven't said or done much at all.

C4 I am sorry if you are just an s-tier who subbed into a townslot on day 4 immediately figured out the solve and are getting worked over by a moron. If that's the case I'll take the L.

@Lime Coke do you think the wolves have soup still?

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:50 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:47 pm C4's refusal to accept that Scotty could be a wolf is unlikely to be town mindset imo. It doesn't necessarily make Scotty mafia but I can't see how a townie in C4's position wouldn't be paranoid at min of Scotty.

Pls

Pls what? Do you have a green check on Scotty?

There are things called reads

Alright.