The Syndicate

KZA wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:00 pm Everyone GTH read me imo

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:14 pm If we are wrong and Rej flips town we probably get a huge amount of spew based off wagonomics around him and ChopChop dies anyway.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:10 pm Daisy is a much better mafia player than you realise btw

Okay.

Let's say it's within her scum range then. Why is she scum here?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:13 pm The advantage of exeing Rej and vigging Chop instead of the other way around is that if Rej is scum (which is likely) we get to force mafia to decide if they want to risk saving him again and potentially outing to save a LHF teammate, or just letting him die in which case we take that pelt to the bank. Making the mafia make difficult decisions is good. With Chop there's no decision they're all just going to pile on and it'll be a 15 vote wagon and we learn nothing.

If there's no vig then we're ~always going to go Chop and Rej the next two days and the order isn't super important. Also if Rej is holding an important scum role we get to stop him from using it tonight.

So it seems mech optimal to exe Rej first if we're confident he's scum.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:13 pm Reading through Nanook I would say gth town tbh.

Maybe I've WIFOM'ed myself into it, but I don't think Nook just says this as scum:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:06 pm I have like 60 posts over a day and a half that’s not much compared to what you’re used to seeing from me

When he could've used other reasons to defend himself.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:09 pm Faking the freakout and the "aha! gotcha!" tone she initially had along with the sudden spinaround on ChopChop is difficult to do as scum. It is also a very devious thing to do. Daisy does not strike me as a devious scum player. If you seriously think Daisy is scum I believe you should also start brainstorming who the mastermind behind her is.

I think Daisy is just town though.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:06 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:04 pm Remember i started the rej flashwagon

Yah what happened to my townshield

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:05 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:01 pm Changing to lc mafia dom town daisy mafia

Is it within Daisy's scum range to fake the whole freakout that scum is trying to fish for her role and notice that ChopChop left out Esooa in the message?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:03 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:59 pm If this is Mac trying some radical new afk strategy to reverse psychology me into townreading him then so be it. I'll let myself get pocketed and he'll get outed eventually and lose. AFK Mac is not deepwolf Mac.

Also after he got past the Alison/Sloonei tunnel his reads are actually good. He suspects ChopChop, Rej, nook, Marmot, and his townreads are Urist, SPF and Falcon. I don't fully agree with these reads but they're not unreasonable and the most important ones are there.

I'm feeling the same way, although we'll see about the Sloonei tunnel.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:55 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:51 pm Oh yeah Nook is mafia

How long do you think it’ll take to shift meta expectations

Im not reading you this way for meta reasons. I'm reading you this way because you are Wanda, I am Vision and I can just feel you.

Wandavision spoilers

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so you’re saying I created you with my mind

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:55 pm I have a town read on Mac, mostly because he can't really win as scum if he plays like this. His teammates are going to get trampled on and he'll get outed by mech or by "well, we're out of good exes, let's just get rid of the afk". I have seen him blitz out first post reads as scum before (in SI) and he did that with a specific eye to pocketing a specific person via meta. He is pocketing nobody in this game with this behavior. I also just remembered that he said in Bread Mafia he was going to take mafia lowkey for a while because of some arguments he got into in D1.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:51 pm Oh yeah Nook is mafia

How long do you think it’ll take to shift meta expectations

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:53 pm I am temporarily choosing to trust TSP on the strength of SPF's read and his argument about t0an. Marmot has been sassy, which is a towntell for him I think.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:46 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:46 pm How much have you caught up Mac?

Oh zero I'm doing first post reads layered with the 2% of content I've read.

K, cuz 2 people have claimed so far, Alison and ChopChop, and your read on ChopChop suggests you do know what's going on.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:46 pm C4 the town who flipped at the end of the first day doesn't clear you of being mafia

It is mechanically confirmed that there are no enclave roles that can dayvig.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:45 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:38 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:36 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:34 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:33 pm I'm back here refreshed, and last night I skimmed some of the thread before sleeping, so I am aware of the whole "scum slip" situation with Chop Chop that's simply ridiculous.

why's it ridiculous? tell me more?

Honestly it irked me that people were using buzz words like "Occam's Razor" that he's scum

like wtf

Why is that the most SIMPLEST option to explain his apparent wolfiness or scumminess to people

when he's a new member of the community and not many here know him

Like, why can't he just be a non-optimal villager? Why is that not a suitably simple explanation?

would be a pretty big coincidence for a villa to not only pick a weird target to send a message to, but also leave off the one person who happens to be the mafia night kill off their message. if chop is town, they're the unluckiest townie alive.

slipping as scum is a simpler and more plausible explanation than these many coincidences.

What I'm going to argue is Hanlon's Razor. ChopChop is by far not the brightest of the bunch and considering his tone and and the sense I get from the statements, I feel this is more adequately explained by villager stupidity than Scum stupidity.

I also feel like there's a bunch of energy to him but I also think he's just not sure of how to village along with how he wants to play, as he used to have a completely different villager playstyle several months ago but has recently got more upset over being ML'ed. Hence a recent playstyle change which I can see is very apparent in him right now.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:46 pm How much have you caught up Mac?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:43 pm Alison is enclave. Doubling down on that one.

If I am enclave who dayvigged c4?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:40 pm Speak of the devil.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:40 pm Oh also. I think Mac and ChopChop could be partners, because Mac would get a kick out of sending a message to SpaceDaisy.

And yes, I am just operating under the assumption that ChopChop is scum rn.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:08 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:05 am Nanook stop randing mafia

do u have any thoughts on dom