The Syndicate

Yeah, like with me! I'm not bad!
When I die, look at Llama, Elo and Daisy.

If Llama pushes for a MP or TH lynch after I die, destroy him!
I got to go back to work now...

Spacedaisy wrote:Awe come on Elo and Wilgy. I see you guys lurking, come out and play. Tell me why I'm wrong. Tell me who you think is bad. Convince me.

Not now Maeby, I have homework to do.

My suspects are the same as before though. Elo, Llama, and you.

Turnip Head wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Linki - What's the possibility of me not being cop nor bad?

5/9

If you're not the cop and you're not bad, explain why you claimed cop and gave a dead player as your Night 2 peek and expected that to somehow spare your life. Like I said Day 2, like I said again before you changed your peeks... you would have been better off coming in with a red peek today. You didn't go for it then, but now you are. What changed your mind?

I suspected Sorsha day 2, why wouldn't I claim a cop peek on her? Would lying about the actions I would make as cop make any sense if I wanted it to be believable?

Well I think there's a difference between lying about something because it's "believable" and lying about something to help us make the right choice about you or help us solve the game. Fake peeking Mother accomplishes nothing EXCEPT looking believable. I have a hard time believing that vanilla Wilgy would make a decision by going through that thought process.

What can I say TH, you know I'm an actor. Once I set my mind to making something believable I go through with it, plus I tend to always look too many steps ahead. My green peeks were always made with the mindset of "gotta prep for tomorrow night".

If I live past today Mafia will have to kill me eventually, they will either continue pushing my lynch based on their set up, or they will murk me at night. Unless MP is bad, both of my green peeks are correct. That's like a 50% chance that I could be the cop.

Turnip Head wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Linki - What's the possibility of me not being cop nor bad?

5/9

If you're not the cop and you're not bad, explain why you claimed cop and gave a dead player as your Night 2 peek and expected that to somehow spare your life. Like I said Day 2, like I said again before you changed your peeks... you would have been better off coming in with a red peek today. You didn't go for it then, but now you are. What changed your mind?

I suspected Sorsha day 2, why wouldn't I claim a cop peek on her? Would lying about the actions I would make as cop make any sense if I wanted it to be believable?

I wanted to see what Daisy would say.

Me getting lynched here won't help the cop any longer, everything I've stated about me being cop was a lie. I was hoping to draw mafia attention, as I'm sure others were as well. Considering how close I am to getting killed and that I'm not the cop... Mission accomplished

Actually... MR NARRATOR! You get my next scan!

The thought that is bothering me the most is that a majority of players are in the " he's cop or bad" mindset so please think about that for awhile.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, we all now know Wilgy should be lynched, but yeah, let's talk about some other people.

Spacedaisy, why do you not want to discuss every player in the game? What are your thoughts on the names you mentioned, for starters?

I have to go again, lest I want to fail out of the program, so please pressure people and stuff in my absence.

Don't lynch me bro

Spacedaisy wrote:You still being alive does not make sense unless you are not the cop and the baddies know it, the only way they could know it (since Day 1) is if you are one of them. I think the baddies have been killing people who didn't claim because they believe the real cop is playing it quiet and doesn't believe any of us who have claimed are actually the cop. I mean who can blame them, right? We haven't been all that believable. Of course now we have a concrete cop claim with a red peek to boot. So maybe they were wrong. But I feel sure that the three baddies are all within a group of four (very slight chance it might be five) players. Doesn't give you good odds, especially since now you have a red peek on you too. So, yeah. My vote is going to you without question.

You all want to talk I would love to talk about any of the following:
Sloonei
Elo
Turnip Head
Wilgy (duh)
And I would even entertain conversation about MP, but honestly I think he is a really unlikely candidate, I just can't dismiss the idea he MIGHT be fooling me, because it is a slim possibility. Wilgy's flip might show us something on this if his peek is correct

I feel like we missed the entirety of yesterday. There are other possibilities.
1. Baddies may think I'm cop, and that they can kill me with a lynch.
2. Baddies are aware of my shenanigans.
3. Baddies no longer care at this point.

Number 1, is the one I feel like is most likely. They've committed so much for my lynch. Two Nk's of no cops, rather Zebra, who had her vote on me for awhile, and then Sorsha who swore I was bad.
Number 2, I don't think is possible anymore unless MP is bad.
Number 3, is slightly less likely than 1... but still possible. If number 3 is the case, I'm thinking the enemy team is Llama, Elo, and probably you Daisy. Based on your former suspicion of Marmot, and current suspicion of Elo and other's whom you think "aren't playing" I don't know how you aren't considering number 3.

Linki - What's the possibility of me not being cop nor bad?

thellama73 wrote:That lynch was super suspicious, and has rocketed MP and ELohcin to the top of my suspect chart (MP is always hovering around there anyway). But I agree thta it was likely a WIlgy save and we should start there.

Wait one second there Llama... How the hell was it a Wilgy save when MM was the one who broke the tie away from me!

Linki - It is fake, I'm civ. MP's already redacted his claim once. That's fine, it was a hypothetical question anyways.

Spacedaisy wrote:I would vote for you first and her second. In short I don't believe your cop claim anymore. It makes no sense. I have a group of about four people that I feel certain contain the entire baddie team, with one additional one who may be fooling me, but I highly doubt it. You and she are both in that group. So if you are civ, she is definitely not. But I don't believe you are and I doubt she is either. I think you are both bad.

What part makes no sense?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wilgy, I have to second the opinion that your act is utterly unconvincing. You're like Gene Wilder in the original Willy Wonka movie when he says "No, don't, stop."

"No, you're not the cop, I am." It's the most unenthusiastic counterclaim I've ever seen.

Perhaps my claim was false, perhaps my claim wasn't. Perhaps I'm a cop that is hiding the truth of his peeks behind green text. There's plenty of possibilities that we aren't taking to mind here.

If my claim was false and I'm lynched today mafia spent 2 non cop nk's setting up a frame on me, which I think is plenty of time gained from my shenanigans. If I'm not lynched today mafia still need to deal with me eventually, because guess what! I could be the cop. I did have a confirmed d1 green peek after all.

If my cop claims are true and I'm lynched today, I'd look back through what I've stated. Mafia not outright killing me was a mistake, but I'll take what time I can get. If I'm not lynched today, well... I guess I'll just finish solving the game. (A note, going into this lynch today, look at those who supported my lynching. They put alot of effort into this, I don't think they want to see their efforts go to waste)

I suppose the gist of my mindset currently is that my lynch is inevitable if we are willing to play off of scum actions. I'll provide what I can though before that time is up.

Maeby theory:
~Day 1
M1. Day 1 green was Lovedelic, does not oppose those who vote Lovedelic, though she was present. The only Lovedelic votee who had placed a vote after Maeby's exit was Rico
~Day 2
M2. Back and forth with Elo, suspects her as bad. For the same reasons MP and I suspect her.
M3. States suspicion on Sorsha and MM.
M4. Notes my Sorsha vote, but seemed to miss my Sorsha suspicion.
M5. Argues with self based on me being cop.
M6. Forces to light my cop claim.
M7. Votes me.
M8. Switches to MM on the possibility of me being cop.
~Day 3
M9. No reason as to why not to vote me.
M10. Answers my "I have thoughts on you" with excitement.

So out of the Maeby points, I'm getting that
1. Lovedelic was not a green check, meaning she's not our cop.
2. While she's willing to point out scum shadiness, she's not willing to make or follow through on suspicions that she has generated.
3. She has an over attachment to who the cop really is, and is willing to avoid interfering with the cop more than follow strong suspicions.

I recalled last night something Sorsha stated, that I thought was odd, but it may bring to light why Sorsha was killed other than to frame me.

Sorsha wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:I revoke what I stated about Rico... er... Sloon 2.0.
- Rico's chaosing the thread may have been fallout from the GoC and how much he had to invest there vs. here.
- Sloon 2.0 looks pretty chaos free, so let's keep'em!

I'd rather not die here, but if I do just listen to what I've stated. Sorry I had to out you so blatantly MP. *Throws an angry face at TH and Daisy*

Linki - Does my vote not make sense though Sorsha? Both Elo and Llama (from what I can recall, I haven't relooked in abit) just go "OOOH! Lovedelic is no lynching!!!" It was opportunistic, and way too easy. My vote on Love was just a pressure vote (that should have been obvious from the "until my question is answered part"). I felt more opportunism sprouting from Elo than Llama, and I think that can be seen even more so today based on her recent posts.

Yet your vote is on me... Not eloh... I see your reasons why but still. You could just be distancing from her.

Now I understand that Sorsha is addressing me as being bad in this statement, but at the same time, she's addressing Elo as being bad. What if the Elo back and forth pointed out in M2 was actually distancing. It's odd that Maeby's primary suspicion of Elo derived from points already made, even though they had a 1 on 1 back and forth for a brief period.

If Daisy and Elo are on the same team, Sorsha is the perfect kill to continue framing me and take out someone who had supicion on a temmie.

Maeby, if I were to tell you that my real check last night was Elo, who would you vote for?

Turnip Head wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

thellama73 wrote:That lynch was super suspicious, and has rocketed MP and ELohcin to the top of my suspect chart (MP is always hovering around there anyway). But I agree thta it was likely a WIlgy save and we should start there.

According to g-man's analysis, the people not voting for Wilgy at the end of yesterday were MP, Spacedaisy, Elohcin, G-man, and myself. MP is the supposed cop who is telling us all to vote wilgy today, so we'll see how that turns out. I have not played a setup like this since I was very new to Mafia about 3 years ago, so I've been very surprised at how the role of the cop has been handled in this game so far. Could somebody tell me how likely it is for a vanilla town to fake a red cop read?

This is only the second game on this site with this setup and the cop died N1 last time, so no one can really answer this. IMO MP'S claim is almost irrelevant because Wilgy counterclaimed with almost 0 conviction. I expect a cop Wilgy to be fighting for his life.

Don't count me out yet TH

MovingPictures07 wrote:You bad.

No I'm not.

Turnip Head wrote:Wilgy you would have been better off coming out with a red peek like I suggested

But I didn't get a red peek.

Turnip Head wrote:MP, do you wanna talk about G-Michael? Have you read his ISO lately? He was following Wilgy's vote around most of yesterDay, only he wasn't posting to go along with it, so it's not on the record at all. They both had their votes on Mother and then they both had their votes on Elohcin, at a time when Wilgy was leading the pack with 3 votes. Once I brought it up Wilgy moved to MM and G-Michael switched to Llama, again without saying a word.

His swaps were odd yesterday and I did follow him on afew to keep myself alive. Like I stated, though, I only swapped to players I was ok with lynching.

Spacedaisy wrote:The only reason I could see Wilgy not being killed at this point is if he is mafia. Plus we have a red peek cop claim. So I see no reason not to vote Wilgy right now.

Is that really the only reason Maeby? I got some thoughts on you. Give me a moment to get on my computer.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Guess what, folks? I'm the cop.

n0 - Elohcin
n1 - Spacedaisy
n2 - DrWilgy

DrWilgy

But I'm the cop,
n0 - Sloonei
n1 - MP
n2 - Sorsha

That's an awfully convenient n2 selection.

Of course I checked her. I thought she was the one framing me, or at least a baddie who would ignore my green check.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Guess what, folks? I'm the cop.

n0 - Elohcin
n1 - Spacedaisy
n2 - DrWilgy

DrWilgy

But I'm the cop,
n0 - Sloonei
n1 - MP
n2 - Sorsha

Welp.

Fuck it, if Marmot won't save himself, I'm not letting anyone jump to me.

Marmot, save yourself... not by voting me though. That'd be cheeky af.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Metalmarsh, why the fuck are you voting yourself?

Because I'm pretty sure he's not bad.

#ThatEloVote

@Sorsha, I'm just moving it around to keep myself from dying while keeping it on someone I'm ok with dying.

P.S. I will save my ass here if I have to! (I didn't help all those charity events just to die here!)

I revoke what I stated about Rico... er... Sloon 2.0.
- Rico's chaosing the thread may have been fallout from the GoC and how much he had to invest there vs. here.
- Sloon 2.0 looks pretty chaos free, so let's keep'em!

I'd rather not die here, but if I do just listen to what I've stated. Sorry I had to out you so blatantly MP. *Throws an angry face at TH and Daisy*

Linki - Does my vote not make sense though Sorsha? Both Elo and Llama (from what I can recall, I haven't relooked in abit) just go "OOOH! Lovedelic is no lynching!!!" It was opportunistic, and way too easy. My vote on Love was just a pressure vote (that should have been obvious from the "until my question is answered part"). I felt more opportunism sprouting from Elo than Llama, and I think that can be seen even more so today based on her recent posts.

Hmm... How interesting would it be if Sloon 2.0, Llama and Elo were all on the same team and all voted together last cycle?

Turnip Head wrote:Elo, I agree that there's not much in Wilgy's ISO. I did get the same feeling you did with how he went back and forth on Llama. It didn't feel particularly genuine, more like an illusion of participation. He also did nothing to save his green peek, he voted off all the main wagons. He wasn't around the final 3 hours of the lynch, but then again I've seen bad Wilgy intentionally avoid the thread during such times before, so who knows.

I was at a Smash bros tournament. Fuzz can vouch

General thoughts now that I caught up.
Llama and Rico is chaosing the thread while not contributing much. Eloh is still going "mmm... Okay" towards just about everything. I don't know if I believe that she actually read over me or not. After I flip don't lynch Turnip Head, that would be dumb.

I'd be down for any of these players getting lynched based on the theory - I'm not dead because mafia are screwing around - All these players fit the bill. Eloh especially so based on her consistent easy votes.

Based on the theory - It's an elaborate frame, or they aren't afraid to not cop hunt - Sorsha fits the bill rather kindly. Supports bandwagoning, was on the Sloonei ship as it sunk. Is aware of my cop shenanigans.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Elo, your suspicions have seemed relatively opportunistic this Day period. When suspicion seemed to be forming around Daisy, you pushed heat on her, without committing to it. Now since Turnip has thrown some heat on Llama for the posts you highlight there, you now are pushing some heat on Llama, without committing to it.

What gives?

The exact same thing I stated yesterday.

Turnip Head wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, I'm not sure what to do. I was going to vote Sorsha, but Wilgy has voted her too. And he has given a peek that has been confirmed correct. It would make me want to vote Sorsha even more under normal circumstances but given the fact he wasn't killed by the mafia I don't feel I can trust him yet either. Argh

If that's why you're unsure, I'll let you know that I am too. Sorsha jist fits the bill as a player that wouldn't kill me based on my claim. Zebra is dead, MP is civ.

Back to catching up now.

Why wouldn't Sorsha have tried to kill a Cop target who wasn't you then? That would give her the chance to take out the cop while still making you look bad.

Idk, maybe everyone claimed civs as civs correctly and they didn't want to reveal anyone as civ.

Any other theories are WIFOM at this point.

Linki - I'll let you figure it out on your own Maebel. (of course it does, why are you making me state it instead of figuring things out yourself?)

Linki linki WB Sloon. Now let me catch up!

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, I'm not sure what to do. I was going to vote Sorsha, but Wilgy has voted her too. And he has given a peek that has been confirmed correct. It would make me want to vote Sorsha even more under normal circumstances but given the fact he wasn't killed by the mafia I don't feel I can trust him yet either. Argh

If that's why you're unsure, I'll let you know that I am too. Sorsha jist fits the bill as a player that wouldn't kill me based on my claim. Zebra is dead, MP is civ.

Back to catching up now.

Ok, quick attempt to catch up during lunch break.

MP wrote:It's possible one of these peeks is real. So why did all of these votes land like this?

That vote cycle was dumb dumb dumb dumb. That is my question as well.

Sorsha, are you trying to threaten me binto bandwagoning? I'm going to vote where my baddie senses are tingling unless I need to save my self.

Turnip Head wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Previously on Arrested Development:

The mafia fail at finding the cop, killing someone who didn't even throw out a green peek.

Suddenly, another manuscript fell out of thin air, containing the following notes:

Ron Howard's voice wrote:List of n0 green peeks:
a2thezebra - N/A
DrWilgy - Sloonei
Elohcin - N/A
G-Man - N/A
lovedelic - N/A
Metalmarsh89 - N/A
MovingPictures07 - Elohcin
Ricochet - thellama73
Sloonei - N/A
Spacedaisy - lovedelic
Sorsha - N/A
thellama73 - N/A
Turnip Head - G-Man

DrWilgy should have been killed last night. If he flipped vanilla, no one would be "Seer Hunt Cleared" because Sloonei was already dead. His peak was the only one confirmed to be 100% true. DrWilgy, as a baddie, stood to gain the most by the mafia taking out a non-cop target.

Ok I understand now. This makes alot of sense but I'm not scum. Thinking about it, I have no Idea why I wasn't killed, unless they didn't believe my claim whatsoever... Which would line up with the players that voted Sloonei yesterday. Another point, is that I have fake claimed cop in a previous game and maybe they thought my claim was fake based on this. A last point as to why I may not have died is because my day 1 peek was my husband. Maybe they thought it was too much of a coincidence and ruled it out.

Players here that played with me the game I fake claimed were MP, Sorsha, and Zebra.

Sorsha also happens to be a Sloonei voter.

That's as far as I got catching up. I'll continue reading when I'm back from work. That'll give me 2 hours before EOD to catch up.

Why are we discussing me? I was using what time I had to pay attention to GoC's ending.

I'll look through the thread in detail tomorrow.

S~V~S wrote:Girls can be Doctors

This is true, but I don't know how I feel about THE doctor being a girl...

Spacedaisy wrote:Well that's just great, now my dad's dead and I'm stuck with my mother, I wonder if I could get emaciated. Move out on my own...

Hey GMan, I hear that new French cousins movie is playing, you want to catch the matinee? Might give us the chance to talk about who you think might be bad.

You can do what you want as far as I'm concerned.

Why did y'all kill my husband? I left to go shopping only to come back and see him dead!
(why am I a girl?)

a2thezebra wrote:I just had throat surgery so you guys should be able to hear my voice now.

Have you actually been talking this entire time?

I feel so lost right now.

Elohcin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Ok, back on Elo... Or I could vote Llama... I don't like thier votes.

You're weird. I don't know what to make of your wishy-washiness.

Both of y'all hopped on the boat of the new guy! Last time I checked, new guys opt for no lynch when they are civ more often than not!

Ok, back on Elo... Or I could vote Llama... I don't like thier votes.

lovedelic wrote:rico stop being an idiot for a minute please, i need to think

Lovedelic until my question is answered!

Tone reading him as civ, but I always tone read llama wrong... He must be bad!

Anyone wanna stack votes on Llama with me?

Give me that manuscript!
*marks out the question marks and writes down Lindsey*

Lovedelic, what is your mafia history?

Turnip Head wrote:Well, I recommend that some peeps try to be more subtle with their "checks". I was just lazy and wanted to be conspicuous to get the ball rolling. A healthy mix of obvious claims and more subtle ones should make it difficult for the mafia to find the real cop.

Don't worry too much TH, if we don't believe in our cop and our cop doesn't believe in us, then we'll have a problem.

Sorsha wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:On the next... Arrested DrWilgy reveals that he is most certainly a doctor and can indeed post his thoughts in non-emoticon format.

But I haven't read the script!

Regardless, for some reason I think Sloonei is a vanilla civilian.

Everyone but Daisy and Zebra have checked in so far... JJJ can we get a player list?

Funny you would think that, Sloonei has been giving me the creeps.

Really? Llama's giving me the creeps...

I normally tone read him as bad, but this time I can only read it as civ. Talk about creepy!

MovingPictures07 wrote:On the next... Arrested DrWilgy reveals that he is most certainly a doctor and can indeed post his thoughts in non-emoticon format.

But I haven't read the script!

Regardless, for some reason I think Sloonei is a vanilla civilian.

Everyone but Daisy and Zebra have checked in so far... JJJ can we get a player list?

G-Man wrote:

lovedelic wrote:i know it's obvious but i'm annyong

I don't think you're annoying at all. Just believe in yourself and work hard and you can be somebody important.

lovedelic wrote:hehe you guys can't lynch me, i'm vanilla town.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:And now the game about a bunch of friends who love mafia and the one marmot who had no choice but to get himself lynched on Day 1.

I can't clean up your messes if I die on Day 1.