The Syndicate

good game.

I'm and was far too salty about this one.

Oh hammer. Yeah shhh.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:03 pm I was wolf

You and Falcon or did Falcon give you the vote you needed?

Woo, 3 town losses in a row.

I'm washed up.

"If you think that's the case and it's me+HK kill me and let's just go next" is what that was supposed to say.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:58 pm Well shit guess I’ve got two wagons to choice from now. This also kinda kills the idea of a rondo Wilgy team unless they’re bussing which makes zero sense

I mean the only scenario that makes sense fypov if you are town is that it's me and HK or Falcon and Rondo. If you think that's the case kill me and let's just go next.

If you are a wolf and are dragging this out I'll scream

So the team is Rondo Falcon or it's game over at this point. Rip us.

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:51 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:50 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:48 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:46 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:43 pm its lylo there are two wolves

Most likely.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:42 pm creature cleared me with a parity check, anyone talking about how I could be a wolf is obviously trying to squeue things. On top of that many dead town have me as town.

This is bullshit too, you know that a town has to consider the possibility for mech inaccuracies.

you dont hear hooves and think zebra. Creature flipped town. Mac flipped town. I have been pro town back to back on dennis / kate when I could have used influence to save both or at least kate in the differene check of wilgy/me and make wilgy look bad today by hitting town if not win it yesterday.

I don't think you really could've saved Kate or Dennis if you were their teammate tbh. Seems like a stretch.

If you are town, you spent a lot of energy saving kate yesterday. If I was wolf I could easily have used that as a pivot onto JD

Then Lucy would've still been in and we wouldn't have been as near to parity.

And again, I didn't try to save Kate. Hell I could've tried to, but even if I did how much sense does that make for me? If I was a wolf, I didn't know Kate was worth saving.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:48 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:46 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:43 pm its lylo there are two wolves

Most likely.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:42 pm creature cleared me with a parity check, anyone talking about how I could be a wolf is obviously trying to squeue things. On top of that many dead town have me as town.

This is bullshit too, you know that a town has to consider the possibility for mech inaccuracies.

you dont hear hooves and think zebra. Creature flipped town. Mac flipped town. I have been pro town back to back on dennis / kate when I could have used influence to save both or at least kate in the differene check of wilgy/me and make wilgy look bad today by hitting town if not win it yesterday.

I don't think you really could've saved Kate or Dennis if you were their teammate tbh. Seems like a stretch.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:46 pm @DrWilgy you’ve been saying you think rondo is the second mafia member what changed

I think he is just based on PoE. I have little incentive to early vote in spite of this.

I wish Falcon was here to hash things out. HK too.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:43 pm its lylo there are two wolves

Most likely.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:42 pm creature cleared me with a parity check, anyone talking about how I could be a wolf is obviously trying to squeue things. On top of that many dead town have me as town.

This is bullshit too, you know that a town has to consider the possibility for mech inaccuracies.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:38 pm Hah wilgy caught and has no response

Alright dude. Can't even have a moment to put my phone down and try to talk with my wife. This type of comment is horseshit in all scenarios.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:31 pm as you said game is over already crossing me is the right thing to do in any world. you're holding voting power to try and win another way if another town fucks up and doesnt vote you

Man, Rask and Creature both said you were mech cleared.

So yes I want to vote you, but the above makes it really fuggin hard.

I don't want to be wrong. What if there's only 1 wolf and it's not actually over?

I mean we'll see how if there's a wolf outside of you it's likely over grover.

Oh, awesome. Either Rondo threw and it's GG or he's wolf. Let's schee.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:29 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:29 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:15 pm has rondo posted yet?

Not that I'm aware of.

Did you silence them?

Did you

Nope, I already said that I role blocked. I asked as a serious question as HK mentioned a silence earlier.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:15 pm has rondo posted yet?

Not that I'm aware of.

Did you silence them?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:48 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:39 pm You’re the wolf, who baited a civ into drinking a death potion by pretending it would clear them it’s that simple

Again, this is quite literally nonsensical. If I was wolf, why do I say ANYTHING at all?

Rondo was more than eager to take the last pot. If Rondo was my teammate I would've just warned them in BTSC.

Your push feels bad faith once again this game Sig.

Explain to me a world where you as a civ tells another civ to drink poison.

Also you say this but rondo didn’t take the potion. In fact he asked for one without specifying a potion which would show you told him.


You say my push feels in bad faith again . Yet the two pushes I made this gale caused two mafia members to be voted out so that’s nonsense.

A civ doesn't know they are telling another civ to drink poison. This argument is flawed.

How the hell does Rondo going to actually at the host and ask for the remaining equate to I told him? What if the host was like these 2, and Rondo just went for it? Do you think Rondo went out of their way to create a host interaction as a form of blending, preemptively to me trying to aim the poison? That's so fuggin convoluted and nonsensical and I don't see how you believe that.

Re your pushes, I'm referring to specifically your pushes on me, this was responded to here and here:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:14 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:09 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:08 pm An explanation of biases at this point:
I very much think DoO is the best yeet as it stands.

Sig OR Kate are tolerable options as well. I do not know why but I think I would like to flip Sig in spite of the wolfweight pointing that Kate would be the better flip. Perhaps Sig's new gutsto when it comes to mafia has me wavering at a gut fear read.

HK is a tolerable option. I do think that if a wolf was found on Chihiro, HK has the greater of wolfweights.

It is VERY hard for me to see a world where this is wolf Falcon. Again, as I think I've expressed the past 3 games. Town Falcon is a very easy read as wolf Falcon is just miserable doing so. That is not happening this game.

Ooo I don’t like this post.

Are you trying to save some teammates Wilgy.

Don't interact with this one you goomba. This is bad faith when I just put a ton of work in the post above this that explains all this.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:48 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:39 pm You’re the wolf, who baited a civ into drinking a death potion by pretending it would clear them it’s that simple

Again, this is quite literally nonsensical. If I was wolf, why do I say ANYTHING at all?

Rondo was more than eager to take the last pot. If Rondo was my teammate I would've just warned them in BTSC.

Your push feels bad faith once again this game Sig.

Re your push on Kate and Dennis, Kate being lost wolf makes this moot, however I do think you look good for the Dennis push. I've only skimmed your ISO and do intend on doing full ISOs de Dennis interactions when I'm home this evening.

Your push on Dennis being 2 layers but behind a lost wolf and then you committed to Dennis earlier than others makes me think it may be legitimate. However if this is the case, I need to figure out if I'm wrong on HK or Falcon.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:39 pm You’re the wolf, who baited a civ into drinking a death potion by pretending it would clear them it’s that simple

Again, this is quite literally nonsensical. If I was wolf, why do I say ANYTHING at all?

Rondo was more than eager to take the last pot. If Rondo was my teammate I would've just warned them in BTSC.

Your push feels bad faith once again this game Sig.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:53 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:47 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:44 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:41 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:32 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:28 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:07 pm

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

I had data on 3 of them, the one creature drank I didn't share info on, but it was a 1 time use watcher power the following night. The one DOOM drank I disguised as a "public cop check" but it was actually just murder juice. The one Kate drank I knew was an emoji only insanifier.

Why would you do this though?

Mafia would never drink a cop check so you basically guaranteed a civ would die

Yeah "cop check" wasn't an accurate way to describe what I said. See above.

No, you’re trying to make a semantic argument right now

Someone becoming an IC = innocent child = cleared 100% which is the same thing as a cop check

By all means read my ISO. How does a wolf becoming IC make any form of sense? Oh! Wow I turned into a townie, my teammates are XYZ. Good game!

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:41 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:32 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:28 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:07 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:05 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:44 am

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

I had data on 3 of them, the one creature drank I didn't share info on, but it was a 1 time use watcher power the following night. The one DOOM drank I disguised as a "public cop check" but it was actually just murder juice. The one Kate drank I knew was an emoji only insanifier.

ahh gotcha. Can you divulge how/why you received information on what the potions were?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:41 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:32 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:28 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:07 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:05 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:44 am

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

Wilgy claimed it would be a green check, waited until Doom drank it, and then dropped that it was a poison.

yeah I see that now.

I think saying any more would potentially risk soup. Idk how much we worry about soup at this point, but I think anymore revelation would be bad without someone smarter than me telling me why.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:44 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:41 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:32 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:28 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:07 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:05 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:44 am

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

I had data on 3 of them, the one creature drank I didn't share info on, but it was a 1 time use watcher power the following night. The one DOOM drank I disguised as a "public cop check" but it was actually just murder juice. The one Kate drank I knew was an emoji only insanifier.

Why would you do this though?

Mafia would never drink a cop check so you basically guaranteed a civ would die

Yeah "cop check" wasn't an accurate way to describe what I said. See above.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:41 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:32 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:28 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:07 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:05 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:44 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:27 am

Why did you end on Creature last RD?

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

Wilgy claimed it would be a green check, waited until Doom drank it, and then dropped that it was a poison.

Aye, also I phrased it intentionally really weird hoping nerds would actually discuss it. I think specifically I said "it turns you into an IC" which is just kinda nonsensical.

Gave some time, at least 12 hours of the remaining 24 for that discussion to happen, but it never did.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:32 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:28 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:07 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:05 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:44 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:27 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:11 pm

Why did you end on Creature last RD?

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

I had data on 3 of them, the one creature drank I didn't share info on, but it was a 1 time use watcher power the following night. The one DOOM drank I disguised as a "public cop check" but it was actually just murder juice. The one Kate drank I knew was an emoji only insanifier.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:28 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:07 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:05 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:44 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:27 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:11 pm

Chihiro 2
Voters: Lucy, Dennis
CRichard 1
Voters: Neon
Dennis 1
Voters: Dunya
Jackofhearts2005 3
Voters: Creature, Pyxxy, Seanzie
Kate 1
Voters: Roxy
Neon 2
Voters: falcon45ca, DrWilgy
Pyxxy 1
Voters: JDizz10
Seanzie 5
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, Kate, sig, Chihiro, CRichard
sig 1
Voters: Scrappy Doo

Chihiro 3
Voters: hollowkatt, Dennis, falcon45ca
CRichard 1
Voters: Creature
DaughterOfOmega 1
Voters: MacDougall
Dunya 1
Voters: sig
Jackofhearts2005 5
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Chihiro, Scrappy Doo, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle
Lucy 5
Voters: Neon, Kate, DrWilgy, Jackofhearts2005, JDizz10

Dennis 8
Voters: Kate, sig, DrWilgy, Le petit poussin, Lucy, Neon, Scrappy Doo, hollowkatt
DrWilgy 2
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Creature
Kate 4
Voters: falcon45ca, RondoDimBuckle, Fish, Dennis

Creature 1
Voters: DrWilgy
JDizz10 3
Voters: falcon45ca, DaughterOfOmega, Kate
Kate 6
Voters: sig, Scrappy Doo, Creature, hollowkatt, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle

Why did you end on Creature last RD?

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

Those wagon votes the Lucy and Dennis one, Lucy, I've already expressed concern with knowing how Lucy being 3p changes how you quantify the scum weight. What do you think on that? Are scum more inclined or less inclined to vote there with/without teammates?

Dennis had you me and HK on it? Or am I referencing the wrong wagon?

Re the potion: would've been pretty bad if Rondo (who I thought was mech confirmed at the moment) drank it. This is why I specifically worded it the way I did "someone we aren't sure of should gulp it". It gives us a flip, JDizz/DOOM were who I was hoping it would give data on and it did. If I just say "don't drink it it's poison" then I'd be having to sort DOOM as well OR JDizz had DOOM been the NK instead and I'm pretty sure that's game losing.

I saw it as a potential but inaccurate bullet, but a bullet I could somewhat manipulate.

If I was wolf, I say nothing, warn my teammates in chat and watch a townie just go for it.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:05 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:44 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:27 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:11 pm

Chihiro 2
Voters: Lucy, Dennis
CRichard 1
Voters: Neon
Dennis 1
Voters: Dunya
Jackofhearts2005 3
Voters: Creature, Pyxxy, Seanzie
Kate 1
Voters: Roxy
Neon 2
Voters: falcon45ca, DrWilgy
Pyxxy 1
Voters: JDizz10
Seanzie 5
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, Kate, sig, Chihiro, CRichard
sig 1
Voters: Scrappy Doo

Chihiro 3
Voters: hollowkatt, Dennis, falcon45ca
CRichard 1
Voters: Creature
DaughterOfOmega 1
Voters: MacDougall
Dunya 1
Voters: sig
Jackofhearts2005 5
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Chihiro, Scrappy Doo, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle
Lucy 5
Voters: Neon, Kate, DrWilgy, Jackofhearts2005, JDizz10

Dennis 8
Voters: Kate, sig, DrWilgy, Le petit poussin, Lucy, Neon, Scrappy Doo, hollowkatt
DrWilgy 2
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Creature
Kate 4
Voters: falcon45ca, RondoDimBuckle, Fish, Dennis

Creature 1
Voters: DrWilgy
JDizz10 3
Voters: falcon45ca, DaughterOfOmega, Kate
Kate 6
Voters: sig, Scrappy Doo, Creature, hollowkatt, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle

Why did you end on Creature last RD?

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:27 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:11 pm

Chihiro 2
Voters: Lucy, Dennis
CRichard 1
Voters: Neon
Dennis 1
Voters: Dunya
Jackofhearts2005 3
Voters: Creature, Pyxxy, Seanzie
Kate 1
Voters: Roxy
Neon 2
Voters: falcon45ca, DrWilgy
Pyxxy 1
Voters: JDizz10
Seanzie 5
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, Kate, sig, Chihiro, CRichard
sig 1
Voters: Scrappy Doo

Chihiro 3
Voters: hollowkatt, Dennis, falcon45ca
CRichard 1
Voters: Creature
DaughterOfOmega 1
Voters: MacDougall
Dunya 1
Voters: sig
Jackofhearts2005 5
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Chihiro, Scrappy Doo, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle
Lucy 5
Voters: Neon, Kate, DrWilgy, Jackofhearts2005, JDizz10

Dennis 8
Voters: Kate, sig, DrWilgy, Le petit poussin, Lucy, Neon, Scrappy Doo, hollowkatt
DrWilgy 2
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Creature
Kate 4
Voters: falcon45ca, RondoDimBuckle, Fish, Dennis

Creature 1
Voters: DrWilgy
JDizz10 3
Voters: falcon45ca, DaughterOfOmega, Kate
Kate 6
Voters: sig, Scrappy Doo, Creature, hollowkatt, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle

Why did you end on Creature last RD?

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:25 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:16 pm I still think that in light of the recent flips, this:

Chihiro 3
Voters: hollowkatt, Dennis, falcon45ca

Looks very good for HK and Falcon. I don't know if either of these would just casually staple a vote next to their teammate on Chihiro like so early in.

Pocket denied

Why specifically do you think I'm pocketing you now? I've made this argument for the past 2 cycles.

Final thoughts and order of vote weight rankings:
Sig by far looks the worst in terms of voting pattern.

Rondo shortly behind.

Then Falcon.

And HK looks the most clean.

The observable differences between Rondo, Falcon and HK are that Rondo and Falcon were on Kate during the time of Dennis flip.

I wonder if it's also true that Rondo was the unpure element of the Jack wagon.

See below:
Jackofhearts2005 5
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Chihiro, Scrappy Doo, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle

Scrappy and Lucy being on board though somewhat detracts from this being utilizable data as I don't know how their pressure would affect a scum being pro or against a wagon. I can't say I have the experience to weigh that.

I still think that in light of the recent flips, this:

Chihiro 3
Voters: hollowkatt, Dennis, falcon45ca

Looks very good for HK and Falcon. I don't know if either of these would just casually staple a vote next to their teammate on Chihiro like so early in.

I'm pretty sure it just has to be Sig following this. The key thing I see here is that d1, Sig not knowing Kate was a teammate would've had no issue voting Seanzie.

See below,
Seanzie 5
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, Kate, sig, Chihiro, CRichard

Considering Kate and Sig had no data of each other, the only TMI having wolf would've been sig on this wagon. Unless, again, do we think it was pure?

Chihiro 2
Voters: Lucy, Dennis
CRichard 1
Voters: Neon
Dennis 1
Voters: Dunya
Jackofhearts2005 3
Voters: Creature, Pyxxy, Seanzie
Kate 1
Voters: Roxy
Neon 2
Voters: falcon45ca, DrWilgy
Pyxxy 1
Voters: JDizz10
Seanzie 5
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, Kate, sig, Chihiro, CRichard
sig 1
Voters: Scrappy Doo

Chihiro 3
Voters: hollowkatt, Dennis, falcon45ca
CRichard 1
Voters: Creature
DaughterOfOmega 1
Voters: MacDougall
Dunya 1
Voters: sig
Jackofhearts2005 5
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Chihiro, Scrappy Doo, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle
Lucy 5
Voters: Neon, Kate, DrWilgy, Jackofhearts2005, JDizz10

Dennis 8
Voters: Kate, sig, DrWilgy, Le petit poussin, Lucy, Neon, Scrappy Doo, hollowkatt
DrWilgy 2
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Creature
Kate 4
Voters: falcon45ca, RondoDimBuckle, Fish, Dennis

Creature 1
Voters: DrWilgy
JDizz10 3
Voters: falcon45ca, DaughterOfOmega, Kate
Kate 6
Voters: sig, Scrappy Doo, Creature, hollowkatt, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:46 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:28 pm @falcon45ca what are your thoughts on Sog, Rondo and HK?

I have to look thru Rondo's ISO, I thought he was cleared? Maybe I'm misremembering. If he is, then I'm not sure why he's still alive.





Sig & HK have both had a solve energy that I find hard to believe come from Maf. Imma check their vote patterns and see what's what

Ty.

I'll make some colorized vote counts when I can make it up to my desk to help in an hour or two.

Rondo was cleared mechanically by a combo of rask and creature. I think it'd be hard to argue those clears, but then being alive really has me in my tinfoil hat.

@sig why is it not Falcon fypov?

@falcon45ca what are your thoughts on Sog, Rondo and HK?

I'm actually baffled.

JDizz being the NK has to be important right?

Town JDizz being around this cycle surely would've resulted in a town loss right? I know I would've misyeeted there.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:31 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:25 pm Someone help me parse why JDizz was killed.

not a fucking clue. I hit him last night with something that would have silenced him for today. He would have had one post and that was it.

I blocked JDizz.

I'm aware that Creature had a 1 night watch from the potion he picked. Was hoping he'd explain what he saw.

Someone help me parse why JDizz was killed.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:04 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:03 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:56 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:51 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:33 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:30 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:15 pmIt's Wilgy

Why is this? What happened to your dif check between Kate and I?

I'm looking at your defense of Kate, and push on Creature and I don't like it.







And your interactions w/ Kate are exactly the kind of thing you'd do to fuck w/ me

You absolute goober.

Kate was lost wolf, I didn't even know they were my teammate to defend them if I was a wolf.

"You are a Blind- you do not know who your partners are, nor how many partners you have, nor do they know who you are. But you do have partners."

Because you'd think that's I'd defend someone you didn't know was blind, you can't be the missing wolf.

Rondo being mech clear but alive is concerning.

HK I still don't think was a wolf with Dennis.

Sigs dif check with Kate goes away because Kate was lost wolf.

Can you explain the dance of Dennis and Kate?

I’m assuming they figured it out somehow.

What is there to explain? Dennis was sheeping Kate and I don't think knew they were aligned.

You understand that I'm pretty sure it just has to be you + Rondo now right Sig?

Kate was very clearly aware Dennis was her teammate and it seems the same for Dennis.

Also funny you should say that Wilgy since I’m pretty sure it’s you + Rondo

I don't think so tbh. I looked at the Dennis ISO and it was very much always pro Kate. I don't think Dennis does that with someone he knows is on his team.

So we are at least in agreement on Rondo.

Does Rondo's interactions with me make sense from a teammate perspective? I honestly don't think so. I think Rondo was quite ready to call me and Kate aligned for the "defense" of Kate without remorse.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:56 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:51 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:33 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:30 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:15 pmIt's Wilgy

Why is this? What happened to your dif check between Kate and I?

I'm looking at your defense of Kate, and push on Creature and I don't like it.







And your interactions w/ Kate are exactly the kind of thing you'd do to fuck w/ me

You absolute goober.

Kate was lost wolf, I didn't even know they were my teammate to defend them if I was a wolf.

"You are a Blind- you do not know who your partners are, nor how many partners you have, nor do they know who you are. But you do have partners."

Because you'd think that's I'd defend someone you didn't know was blind, you can't be the missing wolf.

Rondo being mech clear but alive is concerning.

HK I still don't think was a wolf with Dennis.

Sigs dif check with Kate goes away because Kate was lost wolf.

Can you explain the dance of Dennis and Kate?

I’m assuming they figured it out somehow.

What is there to explain? Dennis was sheeping Kate and I don't think knew they were aligned.

You understand that I'm pretty sure it just has to be you + Rondo now right Sig?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:33 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:30 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:15 pmIt's Wilgy

Why is this? What happened to your dif check between Kate and I?

I'm looking at your defense of Kate, and push on Creature and I don't like it.







And your interactions w/ Kate are exactly the kind of thing you'd do to fuck w/ me

You absolute goober.

Kate was lost wolf, I didn't even know they were my teammate to defend them if I was a wolf.

"You are a Blind- you do not know who your partners are, nor how many partners you have, nor do they know who you are. But you do have partners."

Because you'd think that's I'd defend someone you didn't know was blind, you can't be the missing wolf.

Rondo being mech clear but alive is concerning.

HK I still don't think was a wolf with Dennis.

Sigs dif check with Kate goes away because Kate was lost wolf.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:15 pmIt's Wilgy

Why is this? What happened to your dif check between Kate and I?

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:08 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:13 pm

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:24 pm I've lost all motivation after drinking something that kills me and Wigly lied

What if I'm lying again my friend?

then it's a shitty behavior to do as town and mafia. lying about something that destroys my motivation to play isn't cool

I see, well I'm sorry DOOM. I didn't intend to make this any less fun for you regardless of your flip. I had to pivot my knowledge of the potion as a means to gain alignment data. It was the only way I saw how.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:24 pm I've lost all motivation after drinking something that kills me and Wigly lied

What if I'm lying again my friend?

sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:39 am My issue right now is you seem to be trying to sow chaos and expand the POE to be well everyone.

We’ve got a very straight line approach to whom the next mafia member is based off her game play, her defense of Dennis, the claim, and joint POE from dead players (including Mac)

Sow chaos, no. Expand urgency, yes.

I find that I'm decent enough at solving games mid game. I was not there today. If I add my own thoughts and bark at the thread enough I will either 1. Be explained the gamestate in a way that I absorb or 2. Gain the data I need to reach the solve.

I'm finally getting there in current, but look at what it took for HK to actually provide me the info I needed to get there.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:37 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:35 am

sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:33 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:50 am Is anyone else reading wigly as just open wolfing?

I’m becoming more convinced Wilgy is mafia and they’re attempting to piece together a soup kill right now.

Hence the role/mech fishing he’s doing

This doesn't make sense. I've been asking for previous data, plus I haven't shared my own fully.

Plus, just meta wise, I'm the last wolf to attempt this. I'm terrible with mechanics.

If the team remaining is you, Kate and JD it makes sense for you to do a Hail Mary push like this.

And true it’s previous data, but if you’re team hasn’t been paying attention to it why not try to get down to bring it up and maybe share extra info?

I think in that scenario it would be a lot more effective to just parse this in wolf chat then, I pretty much always assume wolves have more mech data than town. More eyes and such.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:35 am

sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:33 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:50 am Is anyone else reading wigly as just open wolfing?

I’m becoming more convinced Wilgy is mafia and they’re attempting to piece together a soup kill right now.

Hence the role/mech fishing he’s doing

This doesn't make sense. I've been asking for previous data, plus I haven't shared my own fully.

Plus, just meta wise, I'm the last wolf to attempt this. I'm terrible with mechanics.

Actually, further, if anything this world you suggest leaves Kate and I on a teammate. Why would I be fishing instead of Kate?

sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:33 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:50 am Is anyone else reading wigly as just open wolfing?

I’m becoming more convinced Wilgy is mafia and they’re attempting to piece together a soup kill right now.

Hence the role/mech fishing he’s doing

This doesn't make sense. I've been asking for previous data, plus I haven't shared my own fully.

Plus, just meta wise, I'm the last wolf to attempt this. I'm terrible with mechanics.

@hollowkatt both? Falcon's analysis of there being a dif between me and Kate early doesn't come from Wolf Falcon 9/10 times.