The Syndicate

Behold,

Penis.

I think my legacy should hold good assessment.

TR Nook, no takesy backsey.

When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.

I've done all I can.

Good luck town.

Just gonna spam because I really want that 10k and it doesn't look like I have time to continue.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:43 pm I believe I can only post once more. I intent to stick with my vote for many reasons but have no qualms with flipping Porscha either.

Appreciate the work you're doing regardless, Wilgy. I think the biggest thing that would confuse me if you're town is why Wilgy died with a 0/3. Like that's partially why I kind of would expect v!you to push at me a bit.

The only scenario I have to explain that is exactly Porscha wolf since she also focused on Porscha POE a fair bit as did Pyxxy.

But I just don't see you as W

Like the chance of W Obs is FAR less likely than I think than W Porscha/Ruri/Neon even Falc at this point.

Again, I do think Lucy and Pyxxy kills served a double purpose of sussing me while outing Porscha opposition. Porscha's immediate going in on me and then reactionary dropping off on me reflects this as well.

Falcon ISO stew. Extra baby, hold the tomato.

Falcon's first and only real AI thing done day 1 was vote Cape. Some minor suspicion thrown at Mac.

D2, they push Rondo, vote Creature, vote Ruri.

Importante!

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:11 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:10 am Fyi, I'm not hard shielding Falcon at this point. But he is the easiest to read of that trio by far and I have a townlean on him and if he really is town, we should be able to know in a phase or two so it's never worth shrug maybe red check yeeting Falcon.

Falcon does immediately question Jack's TR. At least the weird readless early Falcon starts showing unaligned behavior with Jack at this point.

Though, Falcon did go pretty hard on Creature who was pushing for Jack yeet at the time:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 4:01 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 4:00 pm idk where I stand on falcon/Ruri/Schiavetto. I'm still skeptical about Ruri's claim but it came so out of the blue so maybe I can let it slide for now.
I think you're Maf

Eh... Then there's this:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:07 pm The wolfiest part of Jack's ISO is that it's too towny

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:20 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:12 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:52 pm @Schiavetto help me yeet Creature.

@DrWilgy and @falcon45ca and @pyxxy

By our powers combined, we can avoid another tragedy for the MafiaSyndicate Universe.
Like I disagree with the votes on you, but I'd not yeet Creature in your place.

You two are more likely T/T than you Falc/Nook either of those slots may flip w.

~~~~~~

@falcon45ca my friend, you have an hour to do some legitimate hunting. Collect a pelt. What do you make of me currently? What do you make of Jack? Nook? Your Creature votes previous, what were those based on?
Let's do these all as GTH reads, and I'll give blurb or two, shall we? I've not spent a lot of time reading, and I'm not pretend like I have.

I did go thru Jack's ISO quickly a short time ago, and the thing that struck me the most is how...I dunno, polite? It is. I didn't really get the sense he's trying to get his hands dirty. GTH he's town tho, even if that sounds odd from what I've just said.

Nook is never an easy read for me, I just find the few posts I've read to have an agenda...like, he's scheming behind the scenes and guiding things in his own subtle way. GTH he's Maf

I find Creatures early interactions with me to come across like he's TR my slot, and there's no reason to do so. GTH he's Maf

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:21 pm Oh and Wilgy, GTH your town.

Then continues to push Creature.

Meh, a pause for thought.

Falcon from Jack's ISO looked very much unaligned, but I don't see that from Falcon's ISO. There's hints of both being jack sided and not. Gut says that the Jack ISO stuff SHOULD still make me lean on town Falcon, but I'm much less sure now. It's entirely possible Jack saw the writing on the wall and overplayed Falc while at the same time Falc was still catching up from not being around? Just gonna post now as I'm short on time, will continue in another post if time allows.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:33 pm Ftr I just assumed Seanzie compulsively bodyguard me every night. I never asked anything about how this works with doctor though.

Anyway if I die tonight maybe shouldn't sleep tomorrow. It's gonna be even numbers but someone will have a track and wolves can't just dodge killing without giving town the odd numbers.

It's likely going to be 2v4. Sleep's not an option unless we flip and hit W in Porscha.

Probably not going to have time to get through it, but I intend on the Falcon ISO next.

Legacy for LYLO: 1-2 wolves in Porscha Ruri
1 wolf potentially in Neon still, MAAAAAAAAAAAYBE Falcon, I'll try to get through the ISO but my gut still says that one is clean.

Creature aint a wolf. Nook aint a wolf. Obs aint a wolf.

My current regrets: 1. I don't like that I'm leaving us in a weaker lylo than intended. 2. I don't think I'll hit my 10kth post this game.

Nook ISO with a side of quinoa and braised goat teste

There's honestly not much of d1 Nook, but d2 Nook seems to start with the gimmick rather quickly.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 11:59 am Is now the time to soft a red on ruri

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:18 pm I have a...its not really a difference check, idk what to call it, anyways I have mech info that there's at least one mafia between ruri/schia/falcon, I think its probably ruri

Nook progresses with the read on Ruri following:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:58 am I mean it just looks like "may as well try to out a strong pr on my way out" to me lol but

BUT Ruri's claim happened before the gimmick. Nook confusing this is semi constant, so something to think about.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:53 am Anyways I'm lying i have a motion detect, ruri either moved or was visited so they're probably just red lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:07 am This red was also fake lol

Ruri probably town obscurity probably town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:08 am Jack probably mafia lol, probably with one of falcon/schia/ruri

Then the gimmick comes to a close. A TR on Ruri/Obs and a SR on Jack based on reaction. Feels like a good look imo.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, do the Jack teammate associations from this still hold any weight? What do we feel of Falcon/Ruri?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:14 am
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:13 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:12 am Sure, flipping lily is fine

I think jack had a pretty outing reaction but
Can you explain this?

I'm willing to entertain it despite my own read because of Mac likely having more experience, though I have felt he's been consistently townie.
His reaction was awkward deflection

And this seems pretty good for Nook. I'd almost invalidate them as teammates for this.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 7:52 pm Hee hee ho ho jackoffarts has gotta go

This is good.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:13 pm I kinda think jack is town now

This is bad.

Meh, I can't fault Nook for wavering though. Still see the earlier actions as unaligned enough.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:46 pm If you get past my uninspiring surface level stuff I think im pretty unpaired with Jack, and I would basically never undermine my position by moving my vote at eod if we were partnered, particularly when the wagon I jumped to wasn't the best option for a counter iirc

And I agree, W Nook I don't think bails after setting up a bus like that.

I'm just gonna cease there. Nook isn't W.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 5:22 pm anyway i read through your Porscha post and i feel like your stuff against Porscha is a lot more substantial than what you had on Ruri, so you should be voting there.

i'm find with Wilgy/Porscha wagons

i think i only have like 2 more posts but idk if that's being counted now

I changed my vote earlier, but didn't announce as I didn't want to waste a post, but I suppose that's moot now. I think I have about 10 left, but I should recount rq.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 5:18 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:04 pm Like, just yeet me for my jack interactions, then yeet Porscha and the game should be as good as solved after that though.
ok but why do i now feel like wilgy is making this comment while laughing to himself in maf chat with porschaj lkdsjfdlksajf

Conf bias?

idk dude, I really do think Porscha's play lines up with yeeting those who sus'd both of us to frame and yeet. I was also really fucking ready to die in a thunderdome with them the start of that day. Perhaps we'd be in a better position for it. Porscha's push on me declined REALLY hard after I started saying I TR'd them which I think is completely reactionary W play at this point. Porscha just fits far too well as both a Sabi/Jack teammate.

Also [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine as I didn't want to announce without wasting a post that may be better suited for discussion.

So at this juncture, if I flip, I don't think we get a game winning PoE.

Ruri or Porscha should go over today.

I don't know if I'd be able to find Neon's teammate even if they flipped wolf and that gives me a huge hesitance. Leaning towards Porscha going over. Potentially gives us a better chance for a protect ASSUMING Ruri has forgotten about the game and held shots lol. If we hit W Porscha and Ruri protects successfully we fend off lylo for 2 extra days I think.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:04 pm In a world where me and Wilgz are TvT

What is the likelihood of something stupid like Porscha/Falc?

Tin foil time.

I still think Falcon is VERY unlikely.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:26 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:04 pm In a world where me and Wilgz are TvT

What is the likelihood of something stupid like Porscha/Falc?

Tin foil time.
Porscha is POE.

Something stupid tinfoil-y would be like, Obs & Ruri

I think the foil is more likely in your slot.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:53 pm I've considered some weird combinations (namely something really weird like Ruri/Falcon), but I feel like Porscha/Wilgy team fits the night kills the best.. also Falcon + Ruri both have some mech in their favor (Ruri in addition to the doctor stuff, the no action voyeur from NANOOK, Falcon the no track)

With Ruri I also kind of think doctor is.. a weird claim to make if you're faking it? Especially with a bodyguard in the set-up. Like, you have to bank on this not getting countered, right, which could easily happen from any towny?

The only holdup I have on that is that Ruri was very clearly looking for a counter out of Rondo I think.

Porschuwaga's ISO thyme. Medium rare with a nicely seasoned crust.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:32 am
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:01 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:01 am so you're saying you're defending jack for no reason
Yes.
kay

First thing of notice is Porscha homing in on Neon's Jack read. I wonder if this will be brought up later in the ISO.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:54 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:08 pm Saxon is the police dog in hot fuzz.
but who would make the dog a mafia team flavor. that's kinda insane

think about it

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:58 pm although maf do just get fake flavor to claim so maybe the dog is a good fake flavor

The above is regarding Sabi's claim. Its like Porscha dipped the toe in expressing it was suspect then decided to nah. I feel like I'd be at fault to not point out that this hedgey behavior is EERILY similar to what I noticed in the behavior towards Jack to come later.

Oh and here's something that caught my eye but I forgot about:

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:42 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:41 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:40 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:39 pm Someone just moved onto Sabi and I'm wondering as to why they felt the need to do this at this stage in the game.
it was me just cuz I caught up and didnt feel the need to be on anne anymore
You were on me though. Why?
wait was I

hang on I think i'm mixing up games

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:42 pm oh yeah that's right I randomly voted you yesterday cuz you haven't felt very towny yet lmfao

I thought I was still on anne from earlier in the day

sorry I got 45 mins of sleep last night i'm kinda brain dead

I remember this being awfully scummy in the moment. As if Porscha just felt the need to move to Sabi for what little credit there may be left in the wagon.

A town read on Obs is provided

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:38 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:05 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:08 pm Yeah Anne can you quote the thing from Sabi on Rondo? I'm on my phone but he's been posting gifs all game so I'm not sure about that one. I only got to skim it but had Wilgy and Creature as very clear.
Why Creature?

I almost always can pick town Creature out early and here, I’ve got him as a big ole blank.
ya same

This is kinda bad.

Following this there's an interaction with me, Porscha claims that there was no point being on the Creature vanity wagon.

Discusses why Ruri wasn't killed.

Alot of speculation on why Rondo was killed.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 1:49 am rondo also had some interactions with ruri that are not in ruri's favor as rondo pushes on her reveal and was obviously never counterclaiming but ruri made it seems like she thought he was for some unknown reason

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 1:50 am since lily was also poe for rondo and lily flipped town, I think rondo had jack and lucy poe'd with shade on ruri for her reveal and actions towards him. hope i'm extrapolating his gif reads correctly

It almost feels like Porscha was set on looking to make reads based on Rondo's flip here. MFW Porscha's entire plan was to NK then fault people for those NKs.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:34 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:24 am one in wigly/porscha

Spoiler: show

Spoilering the emoji because it's chungus, but BRO when Lucy flipped you went at my throat. I had completely forgotten you had this exchange.

Started skimming at this point as I'm running out of time. Might be abit busy during EoD but I'll quote HIGH QUALITY PRIMO IMPORTANTE SHIT going forward.

Below are the hedgey Jack posts:

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:27 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:23 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:03 pm Here are the post counts from the start of Day 3. I screenshotted them before the night ended but was too lazy/forgetful to post them.

Spoiler: show
Neon: 160
obscurity: 130
anne: 79
DrWilgy: 75
Jackofhearts2005: 73
RondoDimBuckle: 67
lucy: 64
Creature: 63
Lilypetal: 60
Porscha: 37
Seanzie: 34
Schiavetto: 26
pyxxy: 25
falcom45ca: 23
NANOOK: 12
Ruro: 2

After Creature pointed out I wasn't post capped, I realized I had been counting from the start of D3, which would put me at like 100 posts. I'm not in antispew. I'm just super bad at timezones.

Spoiler: show
That's a joke. I'm super bad at checking that Sloonei's most recent postcount was for the day phase we were currently on

i'm wiling to believe mistake cuz idk wtf my post count is I just assume it's too low to not even worry about

but i'm still making squinty eyes at you

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:39 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:27 pm I mean, it's because nothing Anne says sounds dishonest and there's nothing wrong with flash wagoning Lucy. Like, Wilgy and Scotty both also jumped on that flash wagon quickly and I think (know for Scotty) they are both town. And for Wigly, it's basically because of the flash wagon. I think it was a good look. So why does Anne get reverse credit for trying to move a misyeet into a probable wolf? I don't get it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:23 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:09 pm Options town have today

Miselim me
Vote out one of Lucy/Anne/Sabi

I must insist no other choices be made.

I am of the view Lucy is probably town but I won't begrudge a resolving of the random d1 wagon on her.

I will not be analysing this game in any effort oriented manner until Anne and Sabi are both dead in this game.

If you are mafia and none of the other three are mafia I am your win condition and good game.
there's 100% one scum in anne/sabi
judging by how quickly they were gonna Flashwagon me
Yeh. Sabi+Lucy gottem gg

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:28 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:19 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:09 pm Options town have today

Miselim me
Vote out one of Lucy/Anne/Sabi

I must insist no other choices be made.

I am of the view Lucy is probably town but I won't begrudge a resolving of the random d1 wagon on her.

I will not be analysing this game in any effort oriented manner until Anne and Sabi are both dead in this game.

If you are mafia and none of the other three are mafia I am your win condition and good game.
there's 100% one scum in anne/sabi
judging by how quickly they were gonna Flashwagon me
We flashwagon you to save the *check notes*

Town commuter.

Yes that's scummy of us

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:21 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 7:03 pm Kill mac I'm commuter
Hmmm anne and I are scummy for trying to save him.

Is that correct @lucy @MacDougall
Lol okay valid.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:30 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:21 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:19 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:09 pm Options town have today

Miselim me
Vote out one of Lucy/Anne/Sabi

I must insist no other choices be made.

I am of the view Lucy is probably town but I won't begrudge a resolving of the random d1 wagon on her.

I will not be analysing this game in any effort oriented manner until Anne and Sabi are both dead in this game.

If you are mafia and none of the other three are mafia I am your win condition and good game.
there's 100% one scum in anne/sabi
judging by how quickly they were gonna Flashwagon me
We flashwagon you to save the *check notes*

Town commuter.

Yes that's scummy of us
he claimed after vote count stopped
can you give actual reasoning?
But that's....

It doesn't matter if Cape claimed later. Correctly being like "I think Cape is town. We should wagon someone else" is still a good thing. And then you got totally deer in the headlightsed by it (as did Mac but idk what to do with that because I don't think that w!Mac goes "lol" in response to a flashwagon on his partner at eod).

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:47 pm
anne wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:42 pm
anne wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:39 pm
anne wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:37 pm

i dont care about making the game state bad, just read cats vs dogs on mu if you want to see me raging out as town. this is much milder in comparison.
I'm not saying you're raging... you're just being needlessly insulting... like being toxic or whatever is one thing but like in this gamestate you supposedly have mac outed and day 2 just started ... we've lost hardly any ground as a town here and you're acting like the game is over even though you also have me cornered and wagoned

your mental doesn't really make sense... if I'm outed you just need to point out how and I'll die ez clap after that day 1... scotty died sussing me

but no you just acting all ree... cuz you're a wolf lol
tbf i think neon is 10x more obvious than you are, but if you're town then its frustrating and we probably already lost because you just jump on me every game for no reason now and its annoying
you say this but it's also verifiably not true
it literally is
Like I tell my kids. You never convince each other going back and forth like this. You just make daddy tired.

Show your work @anne @MacDougall
didnt really like these but also found posts from jack that are towny but I am too lazy and tired to quote them all so this was a waste of time for myself

Below Porscha starts the hard push on my slot:

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:11 pm Unsurprised

Sean locktown wilgy probs has to die

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:11 pm Hold up go read all of wilgy posts 2 pages before eod and tell me that is town

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:12 pm Also lucy said she was gonna go hard in the paint on wilgy today as well so like mmmmmMMMMMM

Microwave noises

Wilgy you tryna die or what

In light of noticing Lucy's statements were 1 in Porscha/Me I think that this looks waaay worse than I had originally perceived.

Also there's this:

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:32 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:30 pm but lucy thought it was me/anne/wilgy, and jack flipped mafia so

1. their 3/3 was off already after jack flip and had to be revalled

2. i know they were wrong on me

so i'm a bit hesitant to follow that. part of why i thought they'd like, though, was i thought they were town mafia would want alive to keep pushing bad reads.. so them dying is either because

1. they were right on something

2. mafia wanted to kill them to push the stuff they were wrong on

so i am a little suspicious of you if wilgy is town here.

they were also spewed clear but creature seemed like the far more obvious kill to me, that was only a conclusion i came to overnight?
There is no way you would be suspicious of me even if wilgy ended up town. Wilgy looks awful in this situation. Stop downplaying it and acting like lucy couldnt be right on wanting to push him

Playing for what could be seen as my eventual flip? Harking on Lucy's call when the Lucy call was between us two?

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:42 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:23 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:51 am I really wanna know what you did or did not do, nook
I motion detected creature instead of wilgy cause I completely mixed up their eods
Nook ima be honest. You look a little less sexy than usual right now

Shade on Nook.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:53 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:52 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:43 am feel weird about Wilgy not showing up yet..

i guess i should ISO him.
Good morning my friend.

I'd have thought by now that my busy/"I have time to burst" play style would've been realized by now just based on when I normally make it to the thread but alas.

While I haven't read everything I've skimmed and thoughts are like this:
I agree with my yeet before lylo. I don't desire to be the easy misyeet that causes us to lose so if the information gained from my yeet pre lylo gets us there then I'm good with that.

With that in mind I do think we are still in a really good position and we should be able to just win by yeeting the last wolves.

I think it's absolutely an absurd thing to think I'd kill Lucy in that position after how hard I shielded Jack.

Porscha's immediate push on me, after they waffled on Jack last cycle, using what I assume is a set up NK is super fucking sketchy and I'd almost recommend that the only wagons be Porscha or I. Flip me with the promise to assess Porscha's push on me gets us a pelt, I think.

I will actually read after work today.
Lmao you tryna thunderdome with me yesterday after your performance? My feelings on jack made sense based on my half ass position in the game yesterday but multiple people waffled on his slot and I wasnt alone in that. I also sheeped lucy read because there had to be a reason she died last night and she had you and me (unsure if she finished eod still having me in poe but regardless she openly stated she was gonna run you up today) in poe. Actually yeah i kinda look like shit now that I've said it out loud lmfao

WHATEVER

I'm not sure how confident I'd be that you are like for sure wolfing or whatever based on the NK because it is painfully obvious that lucy was gonna be on your ass today. But that leaves me thinking if you are town wilgy then wolves did it to explicitly frame you since you look awful from the jack flip and a lucy nk. So I understand why you are suspicious of my push onto you thinking it might be wolf motivated but it's the obvious look that I need to do to entertain why lucy was the NK instead of nook who softed a PR or anne who buried sabi or obscurity who I should probs tinfoil cuz Lucy tinfoiled him too

Contextual review makes this one malicious. Of course you'd understand my suspicion if you know my alignment.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:07 pm
Ruri wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:19 am Ranking whoever are aliving.

Phraze

Obscurity
Falcon
Porscha
Seanzie
pxxy
Schiavetto
Anne
Neon
DrWilgy
Creature
Nanook

Based off limited impression from posts seen at random. Middle is null. Bottom is a mixup of rands. Nanook I dislike for the fake checks.
I think list not very informed (bad). Ruri probs town

TR's ruri for a bad list. TBH this would be a great way to gain momentum from a sleepy slot had Porscha wanted to encourage Ruri's bad list.

Porscha shades Falc after this.

There actually seemed to be quite a bit of Ruri suspicion thrown next. Perhaps I'm starting to lean on Ruri not being the teammate.

More pushing on me after this.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:38 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:22 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:10 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:04 pm Like, just yeet me for my jack interactions, then yeet Porscha and the game should be as good as solved after that though.
in what universe does that solve the game lmao. what do you expect to happen after you flip and then I flip. like what spew do you expect to be spewed

offering to trade in this scenario, even if genuinely coming from you if you are town, is.................. unbecoming. it implies a lot of confidence in the alignment of my slot and I don't get why you seem tunneled on me from the get go when the obvious line of reasoning after lucy flip AND sean flip afterwards points to you. if you're being framed it is not my fault I see the frame. we all know it's out in broad daylight. find the wolves framing you, or you are getting out-poggered and out-gamed, unfortunately.

I mean frankly the fact that you didn't go over after jack flip AND sean NK means you're doing pretty well getting by. simultaneously focusing on the framing aspect while you live day after day is unbecoming. it's putting me off
I think it solves the game on PoE. Even if you flip green after me I think it's 4v2 and finding the wolf in Neon or Shia should be easy.

I'll admit, there is a world where I'm wrong. I don't think I am and even if I am, I think we still win after the fact. I just think by voicing my discontent with the push we may get there sooner. I don't think it's a matter of being out poggered. I just think it's an incorrect investment, that also night yeets confirmed. Like I said, I think it only wins the game for wolves if we've miscleared in Nook or Obs. I really don't think I'm wrong elsewhere.

I don't see how it's unbecoming. I accepted that I'd need to flip for the best chance to win, doing all I can in the meantime.
i'm fine with you being fine on your slot being flipped, but insisting on flipping me right after when my reasons for suspecting you are clear as day is not particularly.... helpful? you already said you thought my push couldn't come from wolf after I dropped it yesterday. so why are you back on flipping me since my push on you is now "wolfy" again.

if you and I can both see the same painting on the wall that has your face on it in a nice fancy frame, and I point it out, then why aren't you working with me to find the wolves who put you there? why are you pushing back on me for pointing out the obvious?

I also disagree that finding "the wolf" between neon and schia would be "easy." to put it plainly.

So this is the post that shifted my read on Porscha. I thought it was relatively town minded. Especially blue. Now that I'm going through everything, I feel that perhaps I made too much of this post being town minded, but damn my gut screamed a town had to be making it in the moment.

Porscha's push on me ceased after this one. Either we came to finding each other OR Porscha was just fine with having me in pocket while I still face the autowagon.

Everything after this is pretty recent so I'll cease. The big conclusion I've come to is that I think I gave way too much town cred for a single post. It felt right in the moment, but Porscha's ISO is extremely sketchy. I do think it's kinda funny to acknowledge that the core of the Porscha push on me coincided with players that were also suspicious of Porscha. Lucy and Pyxxy being a means to push me at the same time of getting rid of Porscha opposition is observed. Seanzie could've been a Creature yeet attempt. Both make sense as they were both pretty townfirmed.

So Porscha, where's your head at now? I feel that I didn't get much talk of who you suspect out of you today, what are the W teams looking like in current?

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:38 pm I just feel like pushing Ruri is ignoring the entire Anne wagon and a lot of wolf interference in this game.

Like if I could chalk off all of the misyeets to town being dumb, then sure. But I can't. IMO the Cape + Anne MLs did not need to happen without wolf interference. And Lilypetal did have Jack interference. Schiavetto I'd have to look into deeper but, he had Ruri as town and you as mafia. And he was worried about people ignoring his reads.

When Neon says 88 dead townies, I assumed she meant all the people in the graveyard who want you dead. So, Wilgy, if you're town, what's happening. Why are all the people who want you dead magically dying? Like, if the kills went differently, you would be mischopped much sooner. Why is the mafia team making kills to protect you?

Fair enough. I don't really disagree with this, interference on Anne/Cape within Ruri's teammate still makes sense. I'll double check on what Shia said I suppose.

I think I've already explored the angle of pushing me here. Pyxxy was pretty widely town read, Seanzie was townfirmed, I at least thought Lucy was townfirmed but that NK I think really indicates that there was wolf intent towards my yeet. This also doesn't add that Seanzie could've just died protecting another townfirmed player.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:22 pm Porscha feels super wolfy today and Wilgy is ignoring it and pushing Ruri

And Oscar is probably once again confbiasing himself into something dumb but ugh.

lol, bro you gotta give me a moment. Only so much of my energy can go into interacting on certain lines of thinking at a time. Also I think ignoring it is somewhat of an overstatement as I do think I've acknowledged a T Neon means more likely a W Porscha. I've gone through You, interacted a bunch with Neon, and just finished thinking about Ruri lines.

As it stands [VOTE: Ruri] aubergine, I don't think Porscha is invalid as a teammate in that slot at least. I'll go through there next.

20 posts remaining I think.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:22 pm Also food for thought.

If it is Porscha, Neon isn't a wolf I think.

Porscha's defense of Neon is either from Porscha being wrong or Porscha having TMI on the slot.

However if Porscha does have TMI on the slot and argued that Neon/Sabi was absolutely not a thing, idk why Neon is still alive outside of 'I like Neon pushing Wilgy'.
being wrong? b e i n g W R O N G?

also don't think I ever gave off the impression that I'd enjoy neon pushing you, doctor

I suppose in simpler terms, I couldv'e just said unaligned, but I wanted to provide the feeling based reasons at least. I don't think impressions need to be present for that conclusion though. Wolves like that Neon is pushing me.

Also like, why the hell is Ruri still alive and why haven't we seen an actual protection if wolves have any fear towards the slot?

VERY much speculation, but maybe Ruri claimed, then bugged Rondo about a counter as a form of pr fishing?

Rondo did die shortly after this. W Ruri would be a good slot to do this as they are low impact wolf.

So just going through Ruri's ISO seeing if there's literally anything that'd keep me off the slot

The interactions I find,
Rondo and Ruri had a brief discussion of counter claims

Calls Seanzie wolf

A joke post regarding Jack:

Ruri wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:07 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:00 am
Ruri wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:37 am 2 shot doc. Didn't use any shot since I forgot.
Okay. This was what I have been waiting for all phase. Or rather, I was waiting for Ruri to claim full doc or something so I could be all smart and point out that all flipped and host confirmed roles were X shot (except maybe Nick Frost) so obviously, Ruri was lying but eh.
Har har.

PR discussion with Anne that raises the question that I didn't consider,

Ruri wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:14 am
anne wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:09 am The only thing sus about Ruri is we know there’s a bodyguard so eh but two-shot doc could probably still reasonably exist
A bodyguard isn't a save, just a trade-off.

If the Bodyguard is a 1 for 1 trade off, perhaps Creature was the intended NK? @Creature clarification on Seanzie's role would be appreciated.

Ruri and Neon have a thing. What I didn't notice at first is that I actually kinda like how contrary Neon's take is compared to the rest of the thread in this moment.

Ruri wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:26 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:15 pm
anne wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:09 am The only thing sus about Ruri is we know there’s a bodyguard so eh but two-shot doc could probably still reasonably exist
The one thing I'll say about Ruri and why I've stayed here is that I find it somewhat hard to believe that they forgot the site existed until the point they had obtained a multi vote wagon.

Like the timing of their remembering the game existed was awfully convenient.
A lot of my actions across game history is convenient. I just pick up vibes.

Ruri protects Obs.

Votes Neon.

Ruri wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:19 am Ranking whoever are aliving.

Phraze

Obscurity
Falcon
Porscha
Seanzie
pxxy
Schiavetto
Anne
Neon
DrWilgy
Creature
Nanook

Based off limited impression from posts seen at random. Middle is null. Bottom is a mixup of rands. Nanook I dislike for the fake checks.

Conf town in green. Interesting to note that Creature is so low. Also odd that Neon was voted with Nook at the bottom.

Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:52 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:43 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:00 pm If I were to share reads right now they'd just be townreads. That's not useful to the thread at this point. As I said, when I have a scumread I'll discuss it. Its strategic, but I don't believe this tactic is anti-town.

obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:31 pm Oh Anne is town too.
@obscurity why did you say that saying townreads are useless rn but then say a townread like a couple of post later when not much has changed in the game state?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:18 pm obscurity is obvious town
Wanna enlighten the class on this one? Any other reads you got?
Hmm okay. This was the red slot. Obscurity still town.

Hard Obs siding.

Ruri wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:20 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 3:00 am I am also good with wilgy kill probs cuz i was thinking like fuck I shouldn't have necessarily given up the chase on him yesterday? idk maybe he pocketed me or something idk what's happening
I went to sleep expecting a Wilgy flip. Sad.

Ruri wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:30 pm Saw Schia posts and I'm gonna stick with voting Wilgy.

Ruri wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:37 pm Actually, I'm not sure who to vote. At least not Obscurity and Creature and Falcon.

Ruri wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:49 pm I'm gonna vote Wilgy or Porscha.

And Ruri's progression on me.

I don't get it. I'll admit that I feel like I'm making alot from alittle so there's quite a bit of speculation, but Ruri's just inconsistent? Nook suspicion just kinda died. A bunch of confirmed townies in the middle of their read lists. Ruri's progression on me is waffley and comes from nothing, but there's not much of anything there.

I will say, reviewing makes me think Ruri/Neon isn't a thing. Ruri/Obs, Ruri/Nook, Ruri/Porscha all feel like potential options. Nook because the suspicion there just kinda drops for no reason, but that one is kinda tinfoily.

If I ignore my read on Falcon, maybe Falc/Ruri makes sense as well, but I'd be hard pressed to think that Jack/Falcon was theater plus earlier Falcon screamed town Falcon still.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:59 pm The way I see it, the Anne ML was a very crucial ML for the mafia team. It both did not need to happen and shouldn't have happened. And I was dumb to ignore that yesterday/not consider if when I wanted Schia. Neon was no part in that ML. NANOOK I can at least explain it to self-pres. Anne was very findable; I wouldn't have spoken out that EOD otherwise, she was obviously towny. You/Porscha, either one of you or both, have a mafia who wanted her gone.

See, I disagree there. Anne was I thought to be decent enough chance to be a Jack teammate and I saw no reason to remove from PoE.

Anne shouldn't have gone over, I should've, BUT Nook also shouldn't have at that point.

3 shit wagons doesn't make a cake.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:52 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:52 am
obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:50 am Voting Neon is also ignoring the whole Anne wagon, which I refuse to believe came about purely.

I think Porscha was a big factor in it, but Wilgy/Porcha/NANOOK always has 1-2.

Anne was mostly treated as town and would be a valuable ML for mafia as I'm sure they debated night killing her.
I really think you put too much weight into the Anne wagon, but I suppose you can't see that without flipping me first.
Going back to this.. I don't get why?

Your green flip would not make me think I should suddenly ignore the Anne wagon. Do you honestly think this wagon could be pure? Because I struggle to see why even you would believe that.

Simply because I can't tell if it's pure or not. I have more data than you yes, but still have arguments against the other two being W on the wagon. I still think that there's a plenty good argument for wolves in Ruri/Neon being on me and Nook.

In trying to reassess my Neon read, I again think if the Anne wagon is impure, then the slot to check is Porscha's. Idk.

Neon, I enjoy playing mafia with you and don't desire to come across otherwise

Obs/Porscha arguing for you being town I think also might be affecting why I think I'm annoyed at the discussion. It entertains a world where we are TvT arguing in such a nonsensical way that I don't know if I've dealt with before in a game.

There is a world, where a frustrated T Neon can't get off of thinking that it's me I suppose. That being the case, I need to look in Ruri/Porscha for teammate interactions. Maybe Neon just needs to be caught by finding the teammate first and should be in the same position as Obs where they are reassessed after getting a pelt.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:57 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:14 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:10 pm I've explained this 48 times but I'll do it again.

If I don't TR you than I am considering you a potential threat to town so saying "give me a reason to TR you" is pretty in character no?

You never did though.
And again my argument of 'I play like x' is not an excuse for what I may perceive as scummy behavior.

By your own admission here you are stating the progression was
'Wilgy said he sees something scummy in my play'
'I call him a threat to town'
'How could he possibly see me calling him a threat to town after him seeing something scummy OMGUS'

That is so unbelievably not what I've said at all. But I'm used to you lying about my slot now and it's frustrating as fuck.

I literally quoted your progression on my slot, will you at least try to acknowledge it?

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:07 pm Reasons I scum read Wilgy

88 dead townies on the wall.

Hard defense of Jack

Anne flash wagon kills a town who was so obviously town at that point it broke my soul

Completely and utterly poor treatment of my slot very loudly silencing valid points I make by lying about what I've done

3 straight days as a counter wagon / lead wagon that we let go because ?????

88 dead townies on the wall: See my response to Obs on this. If you are going to weigh on my poor reads like this, you need to put the same weight on others. From Obs I can at least see serious thought regarding cause and effect at least.

Hard defense of Jack: Yes, I think this is probably the only legitimate argument. Where are the arguments re Obs/Porscha who also had rough interactions with Jack? Was an allotment of solving actually put there?

Anne flash wagon: I don't understand what that has to do with me? Anne was part of my PoE, but I don't think I was hard pushing for that slot. When I voted Anne it was mostly due to me not wanting Nook to go over and Anne held some equity with Jack.

Lying: I have pointed out my thoughts on you again and again. I've quoted the progression where I find a scummy posture and you refuse to acknowledge it. This quote that I'm responding to, is progress yes, BUT it feels that only just now, after bashing my head against a brick wall we get to this point where we are discussing.

3 straight days as counter wagon: Dude, I've already made arguments as to why this makes sense as wolf design. Also 'we let go because ???????' do you think that a teammate is pushing so that I keep surviving? is it Nook? Porscha? Obs?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:32 pm [VOTE: ruri] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:32 pm [VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

Falc, what's in your head re Neon vs me?

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:23 pm I think not flipping you now is game-losing for town because I'm a villager and I'm always going to go for you tomorrow if you don't flip today, unless we hit a mafia that's not you, and I highly doubt Neon is mafia. Porscha could be a hit, but you stopped pushing there. Basically you're either mafia or you're town and your worldview is not making sense to me.

Let me ask you, Wilgy, what are you most proud of your play this game? What do you regret the most?

Meh, I'm caught between agreeing with you and being very concerned about 'well what if they don't get to it in lylo.' Because of that I'd just really like to hit a wolf today, but I'm no longer really confident on any in the Porscha/Neon/Ruri slots. I really don't see how my worldview doesn't make sense. I think we tend to agree on who is clear at least, with just some deliberation on Neon's capacity for wolf. Almost makes me think I should be trying to look for 'who is most likely wolf while at the same time a potential Neon partner' as I've come to the conclusion that my annoyance with the Neon slot is making my reading unclear.

Like, if Neon is town, I just REAAAAAALLY don't see how my slot can be called a liar constantly without feeling this annoyance, but maybe that's just me and I need to just take a step back. If Neon is W, the argument going towards 'no you are just lying' I think makes more sense and it loses it's annoyance as wolves just need to be deceitful.

Most proud of this game, that I've got the 2nd highest post count and that I feel that I haven't lost track of the thread this game. You may not be aware of my normal play pattern, but I'm a notorious slanker. I've been trying to up my capacity for play for the past 2-3 games though and I think it's working as I'm finding that I have at least more cohesive thoughts about everyone in the game. I used to have a tendency to just forget that certain players exist. It makes me feel at least that I'm contributing more, but then again, I've misread several this game. What do I regret most, not flipping the day we yeeted Anne. I should've gone over that day, I have half the mind to think we wouldn't be in such a pickle right now had I done so, but idk maybe Anne would just become a lylo misyeet so it's hard to say. These things I often don't really think about till after the game lol.

Also food for thought.

If it is Porscha, Neon isn't a wolf I think.

Porscha's defense of Neon is either from Porscha being wrong or Porscha having TMI on the slot.

However if Porscha does have TMI on the slot and argued that Neon/Sabi was absolutely not a thing, idk why Neon is still alive outside of 'I like Neon pushing Wilgy'.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:12 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:10 pm 'If I am wrong on Neon'

I think really means that it has to be Ruri + a misclear that has been placed.

If I miscleared a slot, I think it's most likely between Falc/Porscha leaning on Porscha. Porscha was hedgey as all hell towards Jack and I don't have anything that inherently clears them.

Creature I still think isn't a Jack teammate. Obs doesn't have teammates. Nook isn't fulfilling a win con (or at least wasn't when they started shielding me).
I.. can't tell if you're dumbtelling or not. I don't get how someone legitimately wouldn't realize Creature is mason by now..?

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:14 pm Also I thought you said I (or anyone for the matter) could be a Ruri teammate? So not sure where your thought process in the "if Neon is town" is coming

Considering I've asked Creature before for more details on Seanzie, I knew this at one point. Idk, I've never been good with PRs and hinge too hard on other junk while solving.

That's me considering options and trying to draw lines. Like, I dont think we get your pelt even if Ruri is your teammate until after Ruri flips. The big thing is that I'm getting to, if I'm wrong on Neon, I think we need to resolve in Ruri Porscha. Further if I'm wrong on Neon, I think me flipping now would be an error.

Imma eat lunch and do some legitimate ISO work.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:10 pm I've explained this 48 times but I'll do it again.

If I don't TR you than I am considering you a potential threat to town so saying "give me a reason to TR you" is pretty in character no?

You never did though.

And again my argument of 'I play like x' is not an excuse for what I may perceive as scummy behavior.

By your own admission here you are stating the progression was
'Wilgy said he sees something scummy in my play'
'I call him a threat to town'
'How could he possibly see me calling him a threat to town after him seeing something scummy OMGUS'

'If I am wrong on Neon'

I think really means that it has to be Ruri + a misclear that has been placed.

If I miscleared a slot, I think it's most likely between Falc/Porscha leaning on Porscha. Porscha was hedgey as all hell towards Jack and I don't have anything that inherently clears them.

Creature I still think isn't a Jack teammate. Obs doesn't have teammates. Nook isn't fulfilling a win con (or at least wasn't when they started shielding me).

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:55 am I mean I think it would be completely reasonable to suspect me from the perspective of v!you. Like, I've also been a loud wrong voice, yes. And I'm a villager, so to me, how does this game make sense if we're both villagers? Part of the reason why I'm suspicious of you is some of your suspects seem tactical. Your avoidance of pushing me or NANOOK beyond light "hmm maybe" shade, when we've arguably been your 2 biggest defenders at points, namely. I think if you were a villager you'd be more suspicious of both of us.

I mean, I was very much suspicious of you going into today. After reading through a good chunk of your ISO again when looking for the Neon interactions, I think I've worked myself off that suspicion. If it's you, I don't see you on a team with anyone except Ruri.

Nook I am having more doubts on as I continue to ask 'what if I'm just wrong on Neon' as I may just be falling victim to my bias.

From the perspective of Neon W. Nook doesn't line up as Neon's teammate as there'd be alot of momentum hurdles to get across by Neon pressuring me and Nook opposing it so hard. There's no reason for a team to operate like that I think.

Next is like, what does W Nook have to gain by shielding me these last 2 cycles as much as they did? Set up a Wilgy yeet a lylo while having me in their pocket? Maybe but I'd expect more of a back and forth (kinda like from what I see in Porscha). Simply put, I don't see W Nook winning by playing to this angle.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:50 am Voting Neon is also ignoring the whole Anne wagon, which I refuse to believe came about purely.

I think Porscha was a big factor in it, but Wilgy/Porcha/NANOOK always has 1-2.

Anne was mostly treated as town and would be a valuable ML for mafia as I'm sure they debated night killing her.

I really think you put too much weight into the Anne wagon, but I suppose you can't see that without flipping me first.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:21 am
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:25 am
obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:45 pm @DrWilgy

Re: Neon is there anyway you can do me a favor and check my ISO because I had a ton of interactions with them and I struggle to see their reaction to my push coming from a wolf. It really seemed like they believed their self.

Also try coming up with a solve with a POE of Ruri/Falcon/Porscha/NANOOK because if you're a villager this is the only thing I can work on in my head. Ruri/NANOOK don't work.
Obs. You realize that Wilgy is only pushing for my misexe because I have been pushing wolf Wilgy 3 days in a row NKing me would be career sepuku because I have exactly one thing to follow in death and I'm the easiest target to misexe because I'm inherently going to behave "wolfy" always.

Wilgy is a fucking fantastic player he can worm his way out of a misexe by appearing towny I've been told nothing but good things about his game. I'm not. Look at my wolf games, I'm not a loud wolf I'm quiet I'm methodical but I'm afraid to make noise. I'm making lots of noise here.

Every dead player wants Wilgy dead for 3 days straight. Do you believe in confidence? Because when something appears this wolfy it just IS this wolfy more often than not. I'll apologize profusely if I'm wrong but I don't think I'm wrong Iam very very confident.
I thought of it overnight and I do want to hear Wilgy out for his solve and stuff, but I don't see myself voting elsewhere regardless. Anne should've never died, we had our shot for 2 days to hit a wolf outside of him (he had his shot! He wanted both Anne and Schia. He also wanted Cape and didn't want Jack. That's a lot of misses), and ignoring the dead would be stupid. If it's wrong, then whatever, I'll have to figure out/reflect, but this needs to be resolved before LYLO.

I also did look at your wolf games and believe you're town here, that's not the crux of why but I've been fighting it for awhile.

Not disagreeing with the vote on me, but more so the reason. If my misses are to be weighed like so, so should the rest of towns imo.

Seanzie who preached nothing but yeet Wilgy moved to Anne during the EoD. Hell, Shia was meme posting the EoD before their yeet. So yes, I've missed, but so has a majority of town. Remove me pre-lylo, but I'd highly advise not using this as a reason to determine your SR when we get there. Look for motivation and lines that push for a scum victory.

And I suppose I know that I shouldn't be as annoyed by being called a liar in the thread, but idk. Something about this gamestate may be making it get to me.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:23 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:06 am
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:49 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:39 am
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:25 am
obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:45 pm @DrWilgy

Re: Neon is there anyway you can do me a favor and check my ISO because I had a ton of interactions with them and I struggle to see their reaction to my push coming from a wolf. It really seemed like they believed their self.

Also try coming up with a solve with a POE of Ruri/Falcon/Porscha/NANOOK because if you're a villager this is the only thing I can work on in my head. Ruri/NANOOK don't work.
Obs. You realize that Wilgy is only pushing for my misexe because I have been pushing wolf Wilgy 3 days in a row NKing me would be career sepuku because I have exactly one thing to follow in death and I'm the easiest target to misexe because I'm inherently going to behave "wolfy" always.

Wilgy is a fucking fantastic player he can worm his way out of a misexe by appearing towny I've been told nothing but good things about his game. I'm not. Look at my wolf games, I'm not a loud wolf I'm quiet I'm methodical but I'm afraid to make noise. I'm making lots of noise here.

Every dead player wants Wilgy dead for 3 days straight. Do you believe in confidence? Because when something appears this wolfy it just IS this wolfy more often than not. I'll apologize profusely if I'm wrong but I don't think I'm wrong Iam very very confident.
Neon, I am pushing for you because it makes sense. If you could make the current gamestate make sense to me otherwise, I'd probably vote there all the same? You are and have been part of the PoE. You've discussed in measures that I really do find wolfy and even further found through obs ISO, you are both valid as a Jack and Sabi teammate.

I'm glad you have confidence, but what are your reads beyond me? Who is my teammate? If you are town, I flip town, what do you think is going to happen in lylo?

Vote for me, fine, elim me, fine, but at least hunt and not just bark down the same space without adding anything else if you are town.
1. How the fuck do I have wolf equity with Ssbi? Jack yes depending how seriously you take a joke, Sabi lmao no.

2. I don't look for pairings. If I did that I'd second guess every single thought in my head. You flip woof I move on from there, why do we need to look to the future? Kill the woof now than the future is the present and you solve there.

3. I did hunt. I found scum explained how they are scum and watched as they squirmed out of towns grasp multiple days in a row while town diedagain and again and again and every single town that died looked forth and said "Hey. Yo. Kill Wilgy." And yet you still stand before me trying to kill another town who's sitting here looking forth and saying "Hey. Yo. Kill Wilgy." Think they'll listen when I flip town and the woofs are in a 4 v 2? Kill you finally and it's a 3 v 1 with no idea who it could be? I'm not going to go play games with the future I need you to go over finally and if I don't push it town has shown they will let you free, again and again and again
1. I have not yet observed anything that clears you via Sabi. Obs also observed this as seen in his night 4 notes and the post following.
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obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:47 pm Here are the best points against Neon:

1. They have kind of fallen off. I wanted to discuss stuff with them yesterday and they disappeared.

2. They gave a lazy townread on Jack early game for nothingsauce reasons and barely reviewed it

3. They made a read on Anne that was like, "I could see Anne killing Mac to seal the townread" which feels *easily* like that Neon herself could've done with Mac

4. No clearing interactions with Jack or Sabi. Sabi asking Neon why Anne was voting them early was super weird. This is also important because Jack and Sabi seemed to mostly be talking/appealing to villagers

5. Jack kept them in nulls then never looked at them again.
I will admit to currently being more familiar with Obs take on the subject as opposed to your ISO as I do intend on re reading it come tomorrow morning.

2. Because town have to hunt to find wolves? Town need to make these associations? We have 2 yeets to solve the game and you just seem not concerned at all about that.

3. I disagree. You've OMGUS'd me and that's all I've observed of your case on me. You've stuck to it and I haven't seen anything to indicate that you'd even bother looking outside of what's the immediate.
1. Explain why wolf Neon would pressure Sabi into a death early when they are A. Town read pretty heavily. B. Have a power role that is beneficial to woofs.

The woofers should have done everything they could to prevent that wagon until it was outed Sabi had 3 shots and died way to early. I along with Mac and eventually Anne produced that pelt but I am so easy to hand wave off that absolutely nobody gives a damn about my contribution

2. No they don't. There's many ways to find a wolf. I don't need to play the game you want when I can play the game I know. If you're woof than you want me to tell you who I think has equity with you so you can decide how much of a threat I pose to your team tomorrow. Do we need to kill Neon now has she solved the game should we silence her. I will evaluate and decide who I think needs to die after you the outed and obvious wolf finally die.

3. This is trash. I have never OMGUSed you. Get out of here with that. I have explained why you are scum so try to actually evaluate my slot and not keep lying about it.

1. I don't think the reason for distancing needs to be detailed here. I think I've seen a handful of 'Wilgy/Sabi unpaired as well' so looking as to where and solving who/where is distancing is well within scope. Also even in spite of you 'Burying' Sabi, you weren't NK'd and somehow, in your perception of the world, I wolf Wilgy, leave alive someone who's appearance is unpaired and is pushing me for 3 cycles straight? That doesn't even make sense.

2. That's the thing though, it doesn't feel like you are playing the game from a town mindset. You've locked in, haven't expressed much outside of the need to yeet me and THAT is the point. Hell, even if I'm wrong and you are town, when I flip green, what will happen? Town now needs to decide where to find a pelt or lose, and YOU just spend the entirety of 3 cycles on a town? We'd have such an absolutely shitty gamestate if this is the case.

3. So let me point some progression here:

You don't have much interest or interaction it seems with me early, the first real point of you looking my direction is you agreeing with a read of mine and joking with me:

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:51 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 3:54 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:45 pm To be fair I haven't cleared Anne and if I was Anne wolf I'd kill Mac just to be able to lock in that read. The writing was on the wall for Sabi I think any wolf teammate of Sabis would have sold them down the river at that point.

With that said Anne is nowhere near in the line of fire for a while at least. Anne should self resolve methinks.
And I suppose to elaborate, yes, there are definitely wolves on the Sabi wagon. Wolves wanted Sabi gone pretty early into the day, but I don't think the bus is coming from Anne's slot.
Reasonable. I'm not willing to clear Anne yet because I think that if they were wolf they were pretty heavily painted in a corner but they aren't even close to someone I care about right now. That's all.

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:50 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 3:53 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:45 pm To be fair I haven't cleared Anne and if I was Anne wolf I'd kill Mac just to be able to lock in that read. The writing was on the wall for Sabi I think any wolf teammate of Sabis would have sold them down the river at that point.

With that said Anne is nowhere near in the line of fire for a while at least. Anne should self resolve methinks.
This is a hot take that is solidly meh.
Meh is my middle name.

I find something that I believe to be slightly sketchy regarding you:

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:03 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:44 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:26 pm Neons wonderful town core

Neon
Porscha
Creature
Ruri

If your not in that list your on my list.

I'm much better at town reading than scum reading though and I need to reread basically everyone in this game and due to Overwatch 2 releasing and ruining my life I'm a day behind so ... sorry lol
Your tr list seems awfully thin tbh. You have only 3 tr since yourself doesn't count?
None of y'all are towny.

Then you immediately crack back with

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:03 am Give me a reason to town read you.

Neon, forgive me if I'm wrong here, but this is the exact type of negative reaction that I'd just equate to an OMGUS. Instead of fleshing out any further TRs or working with me, your reaction of 'Give me a reason to town read you.' implies that the SR exists. Your poor reaction to me inquiring how you had so few TRs (which also didn't include Anne for some reason in spite of our earlier discussion now that I notice it) did not give me any hold to believe you put any legitimate thought or concern into my read on you either. Your read on me hasn't felt like it has advanced since this point. I would say that I'm somewhat bothered that you'd just call me a liar in the thread on information that we can go back to and reference. You'd rather stick to 'Wilgy is a liar' than try to figure out 'Why would Wilgy claim OMGUS.'

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:24 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:21 am
Spoiler: show
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:51 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:48 am Aaaaaanyway, I’m inclined to go along with Wilgy and Cape for reasons.

Even though Alison is leading poll for the memes, I don’t hate it. “Good evening” and “I am bored” aren’t the most thrilling takes to enter a game.
Indeed... but arguably not the most stilted entrance lol

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:56 pm The answer was Sabi btw.

Sabis entrance was incredibly stilted.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:26 pm
anne wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:19 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:17 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:15 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:14 pm Nice to meet you, Jack.
Hey what’s up? Awesome to meet ya.
Not much. Just sitting back and observing in case the mafia decides to put themselves.
One already did
True.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:14 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:53 pm Town vibes:

Scotty (he's pushing on people and making too much of a show. I looked at his old games and he's not like behaving abnormally different from his town games (https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2201, https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2203) but also old games)

Wikgz (feels like his usual weird self, he's doing his weird sheeping thing)

Bad vibes:

Mac: his vibes are off and he's not making much sense.

Cape: really not a fan of his opening at all

Everyone else:

Null

obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:01 pm I'll swap you Anne for Lucy.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:02 pm I'll swap you lucy for sabi

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:38 pm Alright

Reads

Because you want those

Mac town
Creature town
Jack lock town

Sabi is scum yall blind

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:28 pm Sup I'm back to make 80 posts and go back to hating my ass tier life

Someone explain to me why I shouldn't kill Sabi.

Also who wants some tea?

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:58 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:56 pm So all in getting from Mac and neon is they have no actual reason to scumread me and just throwing a blanket excuse of last game. Very shallow and uninspired read.

I'm bored.
I have reasons.

Nobody has given me a reason to town read you and your response to why I shouldn't scum read you is to just change the conversation.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:59 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:59 pm Lots of people town read you but exactly zero have expressed a like real reason. Sussy amogus.

Ebwop

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:33 pm
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:20 pm Now somebody vote Sabi
I did

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:35 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:21 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:19 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:15 pm

there's 100% one scum in anne/sabi
judging by how quickly they were gonna Flashwagon me
We flashwagon you to save the *check notes*

Town commuter.

Yes that's scummy of us
who was only a wagon because of you two to begin with

and a commuter isn't a loss...
HOW WAS CAPE A WAGON BECAUSE OF ME?

TELL ME.

YOU WERE THE ONE PUSHING CAPE WAS OBV WOLF.

FUCK OUT OF HERE.
Caps lock is a scum trait

this isn't even all of it
ah whoops I forgot @DrWilgy

reasons why no neon / sabi?

Aye, I suppose I can see as to why you'd see this as unpaired, but it just feels so baseless that I almost WANT to put no weight into it.

I'm awake now, good morning. I'll take a look at Neon's ISO with this in mind ty.

I sleep now. It too late. Late evening leftover pizza has been digested. Porshcha, why is my good boy bed out behind the shed?

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:52 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:39 am
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:25 am
obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:45 pm @DrWilgy

Re: Neon is there anyway you can do me a favor and check my ISO because I had a ton of interactions with them and I struggle to see their reaction to my push coming from a wolf. It really seemed like they believed their self.

Also try coming up with a solve with a POE of Ruri/Falcon/Porscha/NANOOK because if you're a villager this is the only thing I can work on in my head. Ruri/NANOOK don't work.
Obs. You realize that Wilgy is only pushing for my misexe because I have been pushing wolf Wilgy 3 days in a row NKing me would be career sepuku because I have exactly one thing to follow in death and I'm the easiest target to misexe because I'm inherently going to behave "wolfy" always.

Wilgy is a fucking fantastic player he can worm his way out of a misexe by appearing towny I've been told nothing but good things about his game. I'm not. Look at my wolf games, I'm not a loud wolf I'm quiet I'm methodical but I'm afraid to make noise. I'm making lots of noise here.

Every dead player wants Wilgy dead for 3 days straight. Do you believe in confidence? Because when something appears this wolfy it just IS this wolfy more often than not. I'll apologize profusely if I'm wrong but I don't think I'm wrong Iam very very confident.
Neon, I am pushing for you because it makes sense. If you could make the current gamestate make sense to me otherwise, I'd probably vote there all the same? You are and have been part of the PoE. You've discussed in measures that I really do find wolfy and even further found through obs ISO, you are both valid as a Jack and Sabi teammate.

I'm glad you have confidence, but what are your reads beyond me? Who is my teammate? If you are town, I flip town, what do you think is going to happen in lylo?

Vote for me, fine, elim me, fine, but at least hunt and not just bark down the same space without adding anything else if you are town.
mmmmmm I do not think neon is able to be wolf with sabi. very unaligned

But why though? I recall not seeing this as an immediate thing, so I'd appreciate the wisdom.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:49 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:39 am
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:25 am
obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:45 pm @DrWilgy

Re: Neon is there anyway you can do me a favor and check my ISO because I had a ton of interactions with them and I struggle to see their reaction to my push coming from a wolf. It really seemed like they believed their self.

Also try coming up with a solve with a POE of Ruri/Falcon/Porscha/NANOOK because if you're a villager this is the only thing I can work on in my head. Ruri/NANOOK don't work.
Obs. You realize that Wilgy is only pushing for my misexe because I have been pushing wolf Wilgy 3 days in a row NKing me would be career sepuku because I have exactly one thing to follow in death and I'm the easiest target to misexe because I'm inherently going to behave "wolfy" always.

Wilgy is a fucking fantastic player he can worm his way out of a misexe by appearing towny I've been told nothing but good things about his game. I'm not. Look at my wolf games, I'm not a loud wolf I'm quiet I'm methodical but I'm afraid to make noise. I'm making lots of noise here.

Every dead player wants Wilgy dead for 3 days straight. Do you believe in confidence? Because when something appears this wolfy it just IS this wolfy more often than not. I'll apologize profusely if I'm wrong but I don't think I'm wrong Iam very very confident.
Neon, I am pushing for you because it makes sense. If you could make the current gamestate make sense to me otherwise, I'd probably vote there all the same? You are and have been part of the PoE. You've discussed in measures that I really do find wolfy and even further found through obs ISO, you are both valid as a Jack and Sabi teammate.

I'm glad you have confidence, but what are your reads beyond me? Who is my teammate? If you are town, I flip town, what do you think is going to happen in lylo?

Vote for me, fine, elim me, fine, but at least hunt and not just bark down the same space without adding anything else if you are town.
1. How the fuck do I have wolf equity with Ssbi? Jack yes depending how seriously you take a joke, Sabi lmao no.

2. I don't look for pairings. If I did that I'd second guess every single thought in my head. You flip woof I move on from there, why do we need to look to the future? Kill the woof now than the future is the present and you solve there.

3. I did hunt. I found scum explained how they are scum and watched as they squirmed out of towns grasp multiple days in a row while town diedagain and again and again and every single town that died looked forth and said "Hey. Yo. Kill Wilgy." And yet you still stand before me trying to kill another town who's sitting here looking forth and saying "Hey. Yo. Kill Wilgy." Think they'll listen when I flip town and the woofs are in a 4 v 2? Kill you finally and it's a 3 v 1 with no idea who it could be? I'm not going to go play games with the future I need you to go over finally and if I don't push it town has shown they will let you free, again and again and again

1. I have not yet observed anything that clears you via Sabi. Obs also observed this as seen in his night 4 notes and the post following.

Spoiler: show

obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:47 pm Here are the best points against Neon:

1. They have kind of fallen off. I wanted to discuss stuff with them yesterday and they disappeared.

2. They gave a lazy townread on Jack early game for nothingsauce reasons and barely reviewed it

3. They made a read on Anne that was like, "I could see Anne killing Mac to seal the townread" which feels *easily* like that Neon herself could've done with Mac

4. No clearing interactions with Jack or Sabi. Sabi asking Neon why Anne was voting them early was super weird. This is also important because Jack and Sabi seemed to mostly be talking/appealing to villagers

5. Jack kept them in nulls then never looked at them again.

I will admit to currently being more familiar with Obs take on the subject as opposed to your ISO as I do intend on re reading it come tomorrow morning.

2. Because town have to hunt to find wolves? Town need to make these associations? We have 2 yeets to solve the game and you just seem not concerned at all about that.

3. I disagree. You've OMGUS'd me and that's all I've observed of your case on me. You've stuck to it and I haven't seen anything to indicate that you'd even bother looking outside of what's the immediate.

Neon, see below. This was Day 4. I inquired hoping you'd elaborate and you provided the most meh ass answer I could've gotten from you.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:03 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:44 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:26 pm Neons wonderful town core

Neon
Porscha
Creature
Ruri

If your not in that list your on my list.

I'm much better at town reading than scum reading though and I need to reread basically everyone in this game and due to Overwatch 2 releasing and ruining my life I'm a day behind so ... sorry lol
Your tr list seems awfully thin tbh. You have only 3 tr since yourself doesn't count?
None of y'all are towny.

Sabi was already flipped at this point, but your super wide PoE somehow contained everyone except Creature and the Non-Present Ruri.

What are your thoughts on Creature/Ruri as it stands?

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:26 am yeah. wilgy is like my ole yeller

Was I a good boy Porscha...

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:33 am
Neon did the same thing with me. I had pointed out what I think to be Neon's wolftell in not finding TRs
This take is bad I've had TRs this whole fucking game. Why are you so insistent on lying about it?

Anne was one of them and I'm very content with helping her achieve her dying wish after you somehow got town to pile her wagon for no reason whatsoever. But then town is actively throwing. I suppose that is on me I'm not good at persuasion when I find things. Even when I'm blindly glaringly obviously right and it keeps kicking us all in the face.

Neon, this is not a lie and your insistence on it being so either validates my claim or it means you are biting back without attempting to understand it. When I had pointed this out, you had 2 TR out of a remaining 10 players at least. I recall thinking 'Well that leaves a wide enough net for a wolf to go fishing with.' as a 8 player PoE is pretty garbage.

If you solve games by forming TRs. Which is fine, why am I to not expect more TRs out of you? Sure, Anne was a fine TR, you were correct. Outside of that, what TRs did you have? A good chunk of the thread apparently didn't agree with you on Anne, even those that wanted me gone as well chose to yeet Anne over me.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:25 am
obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:45 pm @DrWilgy

Re: Neon is there anyway you can do me a favor and check my ISO because I had a ton of interactions with them and I struggle to see their reaction to my push coming from a wolf. It really seemed like they believed their self.

Also try coming up with a solve with a POE of Ruri/Falcon/Porscha/NANOOK because if you're a villager this is the only thing I can work on in my head. Ruri/NANOOK don't work.
Obs. You realize that Wilgy is only pushing for my misexe because I have been pushing wolf Wilgy 3 days in a row NKing me would be career sepuku because I have exactly one thing to follow in death and I'm the easiest target to misexe because I'm inherently going to behave "wolfy" always.

Wilgy is a fucking fantastic player he can worm his way out of a misexe by appearing towny I've been told nothing but good things about his game. I'm not. Look at my wolf games, I'm not a loud wolf I'm quiet I'm methodical but I'm afraid to make noise. I'm making lots of noise here.

Every dead player wants Wilgy dead for 3 days straight. Do you believe in confidence? Because when something appears this wolfy it just IS this wolfy more often than not. I'll apologize profusely if I'm wrong but I don't think I'm wrong Iam very very confident.

Neon, I am pushing for you because it makes sense. If you could make the current gamestate make sense to me otherwise, I'd probably vote there all the same? You are and have been part of the PoE. You've discussed in measures that I really do find wolfy and even further found through obs ISO, you are both valid as a Jack and Sabi teammate.

I'm glad you have confidence, but what are your reads beyond me? Who is my teammate? If you are town, I flip town, what do you think is going to happen in lylo?

Vote for me, fine, elim me, fine, but at least hunt and not just bark down the same space without adding anything else if you are town.

I believe I've come to the conclusion that obs just doesn't have any teammates with the potential exception of Ruri.

Ruri however is a painful enigma.

Oh mother clucker.

I lost like half my ISO review that took place during the earlier thread by multi tabbing.

The ISO went from TRing Neon to observing some early potential Sabi/Neon links that I don't think teammate of both Sabi/Neon makes.

Again, I find it super odd that the OMGUS pushed you back to TRing Neon.

obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:12 pm Night 4 Notes:

First of all, Creature and Mac GOAT. And whoever other townies were pushing there. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was such bus energy, simply because I thought Jack seemed towny + I townread Wilgy (main other person sticking up for him?) but I was not very surprised by the flip because something about thread momentum felt like that may be a hit.

I was around EOD mostly because I planned to vote Jack if there was ever a risk of Creature going over him, but it stayed distinct enough difference.

Second of all, I think it’s pretty clear from the way Jack interacted with me that he was largely trying to pocket me and coming at me to try to sway my vote, but anyway.

What I know:

2 mafia in [Anne, Creature, Wilgy, Falcon, Lucy, NANOOK, Neon, Porscha, Pyxxy, Ruri, Schiavetto, Seanzie]

Creature spewed hard town (probably dead). Wilgy still very town.
I townread Lucy’s EOD.
POE: Anne/Falcon/NANOOK/Neon/Porscha/Pyxxy/Ruri/Schiavetto/Seanzie
Ruri; Probably doctor?
NANOOK; Would *lean* unpaired with Jack
Porscha/Pyxxy/Schia were all town leans.
If this laziness is correct, would mean 2 in Anne/Falcon/Neon/Seanzie
If Anne is town and right on Seanzie/Jack *difference* check that’d make the last 2 exactly Falcon/Neon
*is this possible*?
~
Note: Could see Falcon/Seanzie/NANOOK TMI reads from Jack.

*Neon made a weak-sauce townread on Jack early on

Can sorta see Anne townread stuff as white knight on a villager?

Could also maybe see w!Anne take a stronger stance against Jack, but eh.

Maybe falcon is okay? P#1065

~~~

What if Creature, Wilgy, Anne, Seanzie, Falcon, and NANOOK are all okay?
Leaves Lucy, Porscha, Schiavetta, Pyxxy, Neon, Ruri
Think Schia/Jack seemed unpaired.

Neon would make sense as mafia.

Lucy seems a bit spewed from Jack as well. Plus the way Jack is pushing Sabi+Lucy, I highly doubt it’s 2 partners.

Creature cleared.
Lucy cleared.

Wilgy looks good from p#1080. Not sure what it says for Anne.

Porscha, Schiavetta, Pyxxy, Neon, Anne

Anne probably fine.

[Porscha/Schiavetto/Pyxxy/Neon]

First 2 seemed towny but if all my townreads are right that leaves me exactly at [Pyxxy/Neon].. Is that possible?

Jack seems to take a soft stance against Sabi when pressure builds. I think his treatment of Anne contrasts and reads more like white knighting.

I think Jack had a weaksauce read on NANOOK V that is unlikely paired.

Probably wouldn’t clear Ruri as it’s not out of the question Jack helps her with a claim (?) based on the weird-ish treatment around it.

p#1709 looks moderately unpaired with Seanzie.

Could see one of Falcon/Schiavetto/Porcha faired with Jack just for the way the ping came as an afterthought, though I wouldn’t necessary put a lot of stake into that.

Possibility of Neon+Ruri?

Neon does have some “Ruri looks good because of the game” brush off posts.

Neon I think has the least clearing in relation to Jack.

—

-Note that Scotty does vote Neon at one point D1.

Neon ISO:
-Gives Jack towncred for an easy/nothingsauce reason

-In retrospect, not hard to see Neon approach to Sabi as a bus? Especially when Neon isn’t one of the people Sabi snaps at in return.

-Lots of fluff

So I don’t feel like “lock Neon scum” from this ISO and I definitely want to consider Mac’s POE after Jack flip too, but also would need a good argument for why Seanzie would be paired with jack, and that was awhile ago

Also Neon sort of had a weird comment to Anne about how they’d kill Mac if they were Anne “to lock in the townread” which could’ve been what Neon did to Mac - plus in general just see the most partner potential between Jack/Neon here.

–

p#111 interaction from Sabi toward Neon feels pingy.

Maybe lack of general partner interactions from Sabi could make sense?

Sabi treatment of Pyxxy/Schia seems a bit unpaired.

obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:16 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:15 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:13 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:11 pm Hold up go read all of wilgy posts 2 pages before eod and tell me that is town
go read Neon.
Neon didnt exist yesterday did she?
no but her early stuff is paired and she had super bad associative stuff with both Jack and Sabi.

obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:47 pm Here are the best points against Neon:

1. They have kind of fallen off. I wanted to discuss stuff with them yesterday and they disappeared.

2. They gave a lazy townread on Jack early game for nothingsauce reasons and barely reviewed it

3. They made a read on Anne that was like, "I could see Anne killing Mac to seal the townread" which feels *easily* like that Neon herself could've done with Mac

4. No clearing interactions with Jack or Sabi. Sabi asking Neon why Anne was voting them early was super weird. This is also important because Jack and Sabi seemed to mostly be talking/appealing to villagers

5. Jack kept them in nulls then never looked at them again.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:55 pm that was more of a "i have been wrong about a lot this game, let me get paranoid that [thinking you're town] is one more thing i'm wrong on" thought

would still like people to look into Neon. i was thinking Neon/Porscha is possible, but Neon i felt more strongly about. that said, i have no experience with them or idea of their meta.

The above chain take is very good for removing the Neon/Obs team pairing. I think Obs is putting legitimate thought and feeling into the Neon reads. I'm actually very interested to see what would make Obs fall back to town reading in spite of this.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:14 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:11 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:59 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:51 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:51 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:43 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:36 pm

Who do you think is mafia?

Like, I don't know what "wolf!Neon" is capable of. I will say that I don't want to ignore Mac's dead on you and I'm not locked on your being mafia.I think the read on Jack could reasonably come from v!you, but I was weighing it in addition to a couple other things (a lot of people looking really good in relation to Jack, you falling off a bit, Jack/Sabi's respective treatments of you having some pingy moments). I felt like the Jack thing was pressed enough to seem like a real thing that came out of a meme, but the read was more of an overall thing. I'd rather not waste time with people defending themselves though, because when this happened in the past with Jack + Lucy it just came off as an attack at me, and I'm just trying to figure out the mafia. It's not helpful when a lot of people's pushes have seemed meta founded and I haven't been able to follow.
Asking me who the mafia is will rarely return the results you want. Unless i see something that pings me hard I have nothing to say.

I probably don't have something to say if I don't say it. Right now I'm looking at you and wilgy. I think Jack was at points savable yesterday and I think that woofs are in a bad position with Jack dying on this situation so I think at the very least 1 woofer would go all in on trying to save Jack.

In my experience people who treat my slot the way you are generally are woofs. I do not think your approach to me is fair or valid. I wonder because you are loud and leading town but you've been loud and leading town away from woofs and knowing that I'm town your leading them into town.
I was definitely not trying to save Jack though. The Creature wagon that popped up I believe was Wilgy/Falcon/+1, not sure the +1 or +2 actually? But that would've been the main attempt to save Jack.

I mean, I also would've played it very differently as mafia, and actually taken a strong stance against Jack to look good there, either bussed hard or tried to save him, rather than a limp fish "well Jack will prob flip town but he needs to die" type thing.

And like.. I think it was pretty obvious that Jack was trying to specifically appeal to me/pocket me. When I tried to switch onto him/started to come around on Lily being V D2, he basically pinged me and said he thought I was better than that.

And idk, I came into today thinking you were mafia but I'm not sure anymore. Can you elaborate on why you don't think it's fair? Like, the Jack flip basically turned my entire POE around, and the having been "loud and wrong" part is why I'm considering you in the first place, because I'm one of the people who had been loudly calling you town, and I'm struggling because I realize I've been wrong on my main reads this game. That said I don't think anything wrong I've done has majorly impeded things as I did accept Jack needed to die.
Hedgy hedging is rarely a town trait
This feels needlessly dismissive and doesn't even answer my question.
There is literally no question here. And you are scum.
Yes there is. I asked you why you don't think it's fair. And I'm trying to find you if we're both town so I can solve this game but if you're going to act like this I will push on you and have zero regrets if you flip town.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:43 pm How the fuck is my approach to you wolfy? I'm literally trying to solve you but you're making it impossible to work with you. I'm asking you why you think you should be obvious town and you're just OMGUSing like you did with Anne day one. Like if your approach to mafia as town is to push back at everyone suspicious of you then your play fucking sucks. I literally took notes and discussed all of my reads which have constantly changing based on new information. You had no approach to Jack whatsoever except to call him town early based on a on the Lily wagon so you're one to talk in terms of having a hedgy stance on Jack. There's no way in hell my approach as wolf would be to say that I thought Jack should be flipped but I townread him, that would be idiotic. You're acting like you're the lead wagon right into end of day, but im not going to fucking find you if you're town and your approach is this bullshit.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:52 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:19 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:43 pm How the fuck is my approach to you wolfy? I'm literally trying to solve you but you're making it impossible to work with you. I'm asking you why you think you should be obvious town and you're just OMGUSing like you did with Anne day one. Like if your approach to mafia as town is to push back at everyone suspicious of you then your play fucking sucks. I literally took notes and discussed all of my reads which have constantly changing based on new information. You had no approach to Jack whatsoever except to call him town early based on a on the Lily wagon so you're one to talk in terms of having a hedgy stance on Jack. There's no way in hell my approach as wolf would be to say that I thought Jack should be flipped but I townread him, that would be idiotic. You're acting like you're the lead wagon right into end of day, but im not going to fucking find you if you're town and your approach is this bullshit.
Your approach is wolfy because you're using non existent reasons to push me. Your pushing me off a meme and for not being around and I have yet to see a single valid reason from anyone on my wagon. And lo and behold when a wagon forms on me for no reason its almost always wolf driven. It happens every game I play I am very very used to it and I am very very used to its motivation and it very rarely comes from town and you are pulling the same thing that woofs always do on me. So no its not omgus, blaming a valid counter push on lol omgus is such a buzz word response when someone can legitimately just find your push on them scummy but run the buzz word roulette on me. But hey telling me I suck for how I play is a good way to get the "omgus" off you since that's how you want to play it. This response is never towny.

I never read Jack and the fact you push me for a meme and insist it was a legitimate read is so unbelievably weak.
See this is what I mean though. I very clearly outlined my reasons beyond the meme. And you're acting like I'm trying to push a ML on you when that's not what I want, like I don't want you to be wagoned if you're a villager, I've very clearly shown that I change my reads and adapt a lot but your first instinct is to just assume the worst. You're also acting like my only reason to scumread you is the Jack read and ignoring everything else I've talked about. I accept that your read on Jack was partially a meme or whatever, but that wasn't the crux of my initial issue. And how was I supposed to know that the meme had zero foundation in reality regardless? There was a wagon of literally 2 votes on you when you came at me.

You also try to pull arguments like "it happens every game" and make it into this big blanket thing rather than actually try to look for the motivation/reason behind it or try to engage with it - like, from my perspective, you're also wrongly pushing on a villager and I also get zero impression that you're actually interested in solving me. but despite how yes, I think it's very poor play, I don't necessarily think it's wolf indicative because you're just digging a grave for yourself if I flip. I tend to think this over-reaction comes from town.

Maybe AtE wasn't the right word, or it wasn't intentional, but being told I've been wolfsiding if I'm a villager touched that part of me.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:25 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:08 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:52 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:19 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:43 pm How the fuck is my approach to you wolfy? I'm literally trying to solve you but you're making it impossible to work with you. I'm asking you why you think you should be obvious town and you're just OMGUSing like you did with Anne day one. Like if your approach to mafia as town is to push back at everyone suspicious of you then your play fucking sucks. I literally took notes and discussed all of my reads which have constantly changing based on new information. You had no approach to Jack whatsoever except to call him town early based on a on the Lily wagon so you're one to talk in terms of having a hedgy stance on Jack. There's no way in hell my approach as wolf would be to say that I thought Jack should be flipped but I townread him, that would be idiotic. You're acting like you're the lead wagon right into end of day, but im not going to fucking find you if you're town and your approach is this bullshit.
Your approach is wolfy because you're using non existent reasons to push me. Your pushing me off a meme and for not being around and I have yet to see a single valid reason from anyone on my wagon. And lo and behold when a wagon forms on me for no reason its almost always wolf driven. It happens every game I play I am very very used to it and I am very very used to its motivation and it very rarely comes from town and you are pulling the same thing that woofs always do on me. So no its not omgus, blaming a valid counter push on lol omgus is such a buzz word response when someone can legitimately just find your push on them scummy but run the buzz word roulette on me. But hey telling me I suck for how I play is a good way to get the "omgus" off you since that's how you want to play it. This response is never towny.

I never read Jack and the fact you push me for a meme and insist it was a legitimate read is so unbelievably weak.
See this is what I mean though. I very clearly outlined my reasons beyond the meme. And you're acting like I'm trying to push a ML on you when that's not what I want, like I don't want you to be wagoned if you're a villager, I've very clearly shown that I change my reads and adapt a lot but your first instinct is to just assume the worst. You're also acting like my only reason to scumread you is the Jack read and ignoring everything else I've talked about. I accept that your read on Jack was partially a meme or whatever, but that wasn't the crux of my initial issue. And how was I supposed to know that the meme had zero foundation in reality regardless? There was a wagon of literally 2 votes on you when you came at me.

You also try to pull arguments like "it happens every game" and make it into this big blanket thing rather than actually try to look for the motivation/reason behind it or try to engage with it - like, from my perspective, you're also wrongly pushing on a villager and I also get zero impression that you're actually interested in solving me. but despite how yes, I think it's very poor play, I don't necessarily think it's wolf indicative because you're just digging a grave for yourself if I flip. I tend to think this over-reaction comes from town.

Maybe AtE wasn't the right word, or it wasn't intentional, but being told I've been wolfsiding if I'm a villager touched that part of me.
Your other reasons as far as I'm aware are

How other people have treated me which is like not something I can defend

And irl. Which reading into thread absence is frustrating.

What else is there? I've been as town as I ever am. This is Neon take it or leave it. I think that just because you don't know anyone here doesn't mean you should ignore what they know. Ask the people who've played with me how they feel about me. I'm not gonna say read the dead you are well aware of how Mac felt so ask the living they can take into account what Mac's corpse can't. Pyxxy, Porscha they have enough knowledge of my game I'd say. Because frankly everyone plays mafia different and looking at me without meta knowledge of my play is a most dangerous game. I'm town but you will never believe that I'm not going to self meta I can only do what I always do.

You know why I say it happens every game? Because it does... well every time I play with people who haven't played with me anyways. And the push on me always contains a woof. Like look at who's been on my wagon and than let's play a game. Do you think the people who've voted me are all town? Because we have you leading my wagon and than we have Ruri openly sheeping you and than we had Falcon who frankly...I have no idea her levy though. I don't think my wagon is pure. And that's the thing... my wagons are never pure. I'm an easy push as town obscurity and it's not because I'm a bad player and it's not because I play mafia like garbage it's because I don't play mafia the way mafia players expect town to play. Like...if I just didn't second guess every decision I made in mafia I'd win a lot of games I figure things out I get info playing the way I play. It works no matter how many people tell me I play like shit. And mafia is a numbers game and the numbers say people who push me on the basis of nothing are mafia way more often than not.

I'm attacking your game play not you I dunno if I'm being a dick that's not intentional sometimes I'm bad at that...autism or whatever... but I'm trying to play mafia and I think your game play right now is just not good.
I'm clearing a lot of people off of the stuff with Jack, which frankly means that my POE is narrow. So sometimes thin reasons just become reasons to me, which I do understand may come off in bad faith to you but that's why I'm emphasizing that I'm exploring reads, trying to find scum, I'm not tunneling. I'm also better at finding town than scum as a whole and I realized that I must be misclearing people. As mafia I have no reason to completely 180 my read on you though in that situation, especially when there's 2 mafia left and I would need to survive a lot of MLs.

That's all very well, I'm not trying to ignore meta on you. That's the type of stuff I was looking for because it's my missing piece of the game. Like I just looked at your past game and Sabi won against you as mafia. So you had that background stuff day 1 to find her as mafia. Me, I had none of that. The only meta I was accounting for on you was Mac, who was dead n2, so I wouldn't know if his read would change at this point, but I didn't know those people played with you before, and I do take that into consideration/value.

I don't really understand what's wrong with my gameplay right now. Like, I'm trying to find mafia in a site I'm new to and people I'm new to. I didn't even understand the votes were posted until earlier. Sometimes this involves pushing on people who are town. If I was just pushing and never reflecting or re-considering then that'd be bad, but I'm doing all that stuff. I townread Jack day 2 then realized when I lived to day 3 that meant I was wrong about stuff so said kill should be in Jack/NOOK. But yeah I think viewing something as "my wagon has to have a mafia," especially when it's such a small wagon, is not correct. I mean sometimes by mere mathematics this is the case, but villagers push on villagers all the time. I've probably pushed on every single person here, nearly, at some point, and then often just changed my mind. That's why being mafia is easy sometimes, you can work around people who OMGUS and not push them and have a more static set of reads because you don't need to try to solve anyone. So like, I'm town, Ruri is probably mech town - Falcon could be mafia who voted you, but
not specifically because he voted you - because his vote on you didn't really make sense/I'm not sure where it came from. My reasons for suspecting you may not necessarily have been strong but they at least made sense and I think it's clear I believed them even if I now think I was probably wrong.

Because believe it or not I do listen to you when you say that more people than just Mac have the meta and take that into account and I don't even think you're mafia anymore. I just wanted you to understand that in a world where;
1. A lot of people look good off of Jack
2. I realize that some of my strong townreads have to be wrong
3. I am put off by your immediate reaction, even if I'm reflecting on that
4. You're literally saying that people who don't know you don't understand your style
I don't know why you find it so surprising that I may suspect you here.

Anyway, I'll see what content we get from Wilgy today, this game has taken too much out of me tn and I'm going to sleep.

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:12 am This is hard because I sort of think Neon and Wilgy are both town now. And yeah I'm scared Falcon could just be l*nch bait.

I'll do donr deep dives and try to figure things out later

So this is where I'll cease for now. Obs/Neon isn't the team. This would need to be a vastly elaborate theatre for it to be the team.

I DO however think it's wise to point out that I vastly disagree with you moving Neon to a TR for this. Neon did the same thing with me. I had pointed out what I think to be Neon's wolftell in not finding TRs and they went full on OMGUS and had what I'd say to be a heated and poor reaction that only worked to argue against 'activity reading' or reads that apparently are invalid because 'Neon plays like X'

Obs, review my interactions with Neon please and I think you'll find an interest in the arguments similarities.

obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:45 pm NANOOK and Jack just felt like 2 people like... reacting? Like Jack's reaction feels like a reaction to new information idk it just didn't read as paired there

As in a reaction to the PR claim? Alignment and potential tracking would've been known by Jack right?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:46 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:45 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:15 pm If you start trying to survive ill start trying to keep you alive
I go back to this, because I'm critically unsure as to if my survival just autoloses us the game and I think it's important to voice that.

i.e. If I'm wrong on Neon and the wolf play of keeping me alive but suspect works, then I think we just lose at lylo.

if that is the wolf play, keep me alive but suspect I honestly do think there's a good argument to make that it comes from you/porscha. You two would know that I'm misyeet bait.
Lol

Let me tinfoil nerd.

obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:47 pm Ruri and Porscha would be the 2 people with no clearing spew but eh?

Creature I thought commented Empowerer wouldn't make sense unless it was to empower doc

@Creature I'll try to get through your ISO to review, but if you see this first would you care to reclarify what Sean told you about the roles? Would Strong-Will not work on tracking powers?

It feels odd, for Shia/Ruri to not be the Masons if Shia's power specifically worked with just Ruri.

obscurity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:45 pm @DrWilgy

Re: Neon is there anyway you can do me a favor and check my ISO because I had a ton of interactions with them and I struggle to see their reaction to my push coming from a wolf. It really seemed like they believed their self.

Also try coming up with a solve with a POE of Ruri/Falcon/Porscha/NANOOK because if you're a villager this is the only thing I can work on in my head. Ruri/NANOOK don't work.

So the problem is I can see Ruri on anyone's team... MAYBE not Nook.

Out of those who I don't think are townfirmed
You/Ruri
Neon/Ruri
Porscha/Ruri

Porscha/Neon I actually don't think works. Porscha would have no reason to go against Neon teammate regarding me. Nook may be in that same sphere.

You/Neon works, however I will go through your ISO to see if I can see authenticity towards the neon slot or not.

Porscha/Nook works, You/Nook works if the play is 'Keep Wilgy teetering until Lylo' is in fact the strategy... This still feels tinfoil?

I think it's in this fact as to why I'm very concerned by the Ruri slot. If Ruri was not a factor in this, I don't think I'd be having my doubts rn. I'd flip, we'd survive lylo and we'd get the last pelt. Ruri being wolf opens up too many possibilities.

I will look at your and Neon's ISO once again.

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