The Syndicate

@MacDougall thoughts on me and my reads?

Like if you are legitimately stuck just read Porscha's ISO then gibe data in return.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:52 am why kill porscha

why not?

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:55 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:54 pm lol, I still think Mac can seriously be the SK and that he laid out how he was going to decide on his nightkills in that post I quoted earlier. I also feel like he's the only one who would make that Ace kill, lol.
This is kiiiinda why I think Wilgy is more likely to be mafia than SK, by the way.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:51 pm So, Cape doesn't include Wilgy in his "possible voting candidates" list, but he DOES express disinterest in going after Ruri or Porscha, both of which Wilgy wants to go after. Cape and Wilgy COULD be hard distancing if they are both mafia, but this doesn't feel like the case. There's also this post:

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:44 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:23 pm I think there's a good chance Porscha is scum
convince me

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:26 am [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

I'll go ISO Arc to see if I can get anything more solid on them.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:14 am [VOTE: Ruri] aubergine

I think we need to deal with this today.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:09 am I'm still not up for yeeting Sean right now, I think. If we wanna go for spice, go for Arc or Neon. If we wanna go boring but still maybe helpful, go for Ruri or Porscha.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:33 am If it's not Porscha, I guess I'm okay with Arc? I just don't get scummy vibes from them at the moment. Like, I'd sooner yeet Mac than I would Arc right now.

So here's my hangup with you Moonwink. Based on the above, just skimming you've expressed suspicion on all of these:
Arc
Ruri
Porscha
Mac
Neon
Me
Cape

You also mention early in the day that Seanzie is fine too.

My friend, that just leaves Falc, Scotty, Lily and yourself I think. I'm not sure how it's possible that you haven't formed a firmer town core. You are an amorphous blob of throwing suspicion.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:17 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:09 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:53 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:13 am Porscha, why Scotty getting urked at? I was thinking I was in the same headspace.
can I ask why you expect a significant portion of scum hunting day 1 when I generally am a jag off day 1 when the most i'll do is find a couple people towny

like do you and scotty think everyone *except* me scum hunted well or do I suddenly have standards put upon me by other people that I am unaware of
Personally the latter.

I often can tell when you spew yourself as town, or at least I feel like I'm 3/4 on it and I didn't see it yesterday. While, yes, that is based on my own personal notion of you, I think it does still hold merit.
yeah that's fair a lot of times I think people believe I have a volume tell but the reality is that my post count is almost exclusively dictated by my free time and the more I post the easier it is to find me so when I slank it just bodes poorly for me

@Cape90 it's mostly responding to this here.

And like, if I'm wrong and you were just more busy than normal Porscha I'm sorry, but I don't believe that to be the case.

Fuck it, I can't not [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine while vibing with the headspace that I did my best.

I'd rather be wrong and have tried to out the top sr than just sit here with a meh ass vote.

Arcbell feels correct so I'm good with it.

I'd like Porscha. I'd really like Porscha.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:18 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:16 am
Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:11 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:03 am Wilgy is successfully pocketing me once again.

Let’s say arc flips and flips town. What do we learn?

Well,.,,we learn he should have voted to give indication of where he stood. But alas poor yorick
i find it odd that wigly is pocketing you after 716
Like that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me
Simply because I acknowledge it's personal tinfoil. Even if it's legitimate Scotty is way better for the threadstate alive.
So don’t kill me tonite k?

If I could I would, just makes sense via thread health.

I just went through Porscha's ISO.

I just don't see how town Porscha is in that slot. They have alot of posts relative to the rest of the players, and the only thoughts I get re hunting are:
Neon but no reason why
I want to flip Ruri
No you on Wilgy

Like, I think I'm actually opposed to a Ruri flip on this premise.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:11 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:03 am Wilgy is successfully pocketing me once again.

Let’s say arc flips and flips town. What do we learn?

Well,.,,we learn he should have voted to give indication of where he stood. But alas poor yorick
i find it odd that wigly is pocketing you after 716
Like that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me

Simply because I acknowledge it's personal tinfoil. Even if it's legitimate Scotty is way better for the threadstate alive.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:10 am Here's how I feel about Ruri -- if we're going to yeet her, I think we need to do it today. Otherwise, it just feels like we're putting off the inevitable.

/sigh

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:07 am @DrWilgy Is there a reason Neon was excluded from that list you posted?

My willing to yeet pool? I don't think Neon is wolfing.

Neon is a hard read because of how fluffy they are, but if they are generating content and have reads within the fluff I see that as a town lean, if only slight.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:03 am Wilgy is successfully pocketing me once again.

Let’s say arc flips and flips town. What do we learn?

Well,.,,we learn he should have voted to give indication of where he stood. But alas poor yorick

My guy, there's like 12 perceived players and 4 of them are crickets, I don't know how we advance the game if we think the players that are actually contributing are necessary.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:03 am Re Mac, I don't remember exactly what tipped me off to them being town d1, but I can review via ISO. I don't recall this cycle being very good in terms of Mac content.

Skimmed.

Mac is still town imo.

Content generation d1 fits his tr.

Re Mac, I don't remember exactly what tipped me off to them being town d1, but I can review via ISO. I don't recall this cycle being very good in terms of Mac content.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:01 am @DrWilgy Talk to me about Mac for a little bit. Also, I see you just voted for Arc -- is that a better vote right now than Ruri and Porscha?

Ruri yes, Porscha no.

Also just iso'd Falcon and he's in his w range. Would be willing to vote in this pool:
Sean
Arc
Porsch
Falc
Ruri

[VOTE: Arcbell] aubergine

All wagons except arc suck.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:52 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:45 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:35 pm lol, y'know, at this point, if Wilgy is town, there's a good chance he dies tonight anyway if it's not Scotty. If we yeet him, it would force mafia to kill someone else
This one doesn't make sense. Why would I ever be night yeeted?
Because up until earlier, you were widely townread? The only person more townread than you from my PoV is Scotty.

if these willy nilly ass tr put me in vote lead and take me out of vote lead on premise of 'well it's spicy' then there's not much leg to stand on re night yeet. If I'm a threat to SK or Wolves I'll get yeeted, otherwise I won't.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:52 pm Wilgy I think I’m in the headspace right now as someone thinking in terms of tinfoil. You are someone I have found aligning with irt reads, but I also get scared that yeeting someone in the mid post range won’t reveal as much.

I don’t believe that both wolves are in the mid/low posting contribution range

I can agree with this and thus don't think Ruri is the right choice atm.

Hence Porscha fits the bill more likely.

If we are to find other options I like Sean and Arc.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:50 pm All right well I need to go to the buhbye place, so I guess I’ll round out my current reads just in case I get my shins kicked in tonite.

Town reads:
-Moonwink: really liked moon’s solving later today. I think her head’s in the right place.
-Cape: sir talk-a-lot. Could be a deep wolf or SK, but I think discussion > slanking at this stage in the game, so I’ll welcome a potential deep wolf lol

Townleans:
-Porscha: this slot is my too wolf to be wolf slot. I don’t know why, but I feel like every time Porscha posts, it’s a defensive comment about suspicions against her, with not much follow up in the form of hunting. Add on that I feel like wolves were setting up for Porscha to be misyeet fodder and a good bevy of people have had her in their radar, Porscha is set up as a patsy. I think this is a town look based on those peripherals.
-Ruri: bc lol. This slot is less of a Townlean and more of a “wtf I don’t quite know how to slot but I don’t believe in null reads at this stage in the game” read
-Lily: liked the spark today. This read could flip flop back to scum lean depending on the mood.

Scumleans:
-Mac: currently straddling the line of scum and town. Hard to place. Didn’t much care for his D2 contributions.
-Neon: Did nothing of note today. Pulled back considerably from D1. It’s not what Neon said, more than what she could be saying which makes me scumlean her.
-Falcon:
Spoiler: show

Scum reads:
-Seanzie: he is what i believe to be performative slanking. Even if it is genuine shrugginess, it’s certainly not pro-town
-Arcbell: similar to Seanzie in that he is here, but isn’t really explaining himself. Hasn’t even voted today. Not a good look.

I have been ignored and am slightly offended.

Moonwink: There's things I dislike about the reads and the yes, no, yes post previously quoted had real wolf vibes. I don't know wink's capacity for wolfing, but I find that they are pro thread momentum and worth keeping around. I disagree with your read but would not yeet in the moment is what I'm trying to say.

Cape: I agree

Porscha: I disagree, dead town disagree, Porscha keeps failing to pick up momentum in spite of being 'too wolf' your argument here is bad.

Ruri: doesn't belong in tl.

Lily: I don't know how to read

Mac: I kinda agree with a weaker d2 here, but d1 was town mac

Neon: Same with Mac, the d1 felt towny and content generaty, d2 weaker but not weak enough to take away the tl

Falcon: I've forgotten about this slot at this point

Seanzie: I agree

Arcbell: I agree

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:45 pm I'm gonna go check if Seanzie has said anything about Wilgy really quick.

Damn we yeeted a town, well at least the game is spicy now amirite?

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:40 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 1:08 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:25 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:46 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:28 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:37 am Mafia is like probably falcon and seanzie
Mac is going after LHF. Bad Mac.

@Scotty
Wilgy wants to get rid of Ruri. What do you think about that?
I don't remember anything about Wilgy or Ruri this game. They have left zero impression on me thus far.
Hmm...

I do think I've been decently opinionated this game. I find that you'd not recall me odd.
This is his only interaction with Seanzie. He doesn't really speak of him anywhere else.

Seanzie is openslanking. Not much to add here. Even in spite of this there's a contradiction presented in Seanzie's view on me. It's a slight sr.

Is that what you were looking for? Not sure your fascination with me re Seanzie.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:42 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:15 am @Neon explain the Porscha tr plz.

Current thoughts,
Not much has changed. Cape seems relatively towny.

Porscha is a fascinating slot.
Here's a Cape read? Doesn't go into why, but whatevs. Still more than Seanzie.

Cape seems to be solving and there's tangible thought process that I can see there. It's only a slight tr.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:39 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:15 am @Neon explain the Porscha tr plz.

Current thoughts,
Not much has changed. Cape seems relatively towny.

Porscha is a fascinating slot.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:40 pm [VOTE: Ruri] aubergine

I'd prefer Moonwink, but we need to cut down the slankers.
lol, okay, he did go after BOTH Porscha and Ruri after all

Yes, do you have reason as to why I shouldn't think Porscha and Ruri are good yeets?

Damn, that wilgy, really wants to go after someone he thinks should be townspewed who isn't and someone who's literally afk.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:35 pm lol, y'know, at this point, if Wilgy is town, there's a good chance he dies tonight anyway if it's not Scotty. If we yeet him, it would force mafia to kill someone else

This one doesn't make sense. Why would I ever be night yeeted?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:16 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:23 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 6:58 pm I think I'm fully committed to not going after Cape or Seanzie even if Seanzie seemed to imply earlier that he may not be townreading Cape as much as he was. Until further notice, I'm considering them town.

Scotty seems frustrated with the game state and the low energy levels, and I'm going to take it as genuine and, thus, towny.

I don't remember anything Wilgy has said D2 aside from maybe wanting to go after me, but not before getting rid of Ruri. He had a good D1, and Michelle liked him, so I don't mind keeping him around longer.
What is there to add? Nothing has changed this cycle.

Half the folks here are just mia, so let's get to hacking the weeds away.

I think there's a good chance Porscha is scum. Lily has some points per Michelle's death. I get constant Wolfy vibes from you and saying that you've glazed over me this day doesn't really inspire anything great.
Your play today reminds me of JJJ when he’s bad, and I can’t put my finger on why

This is a shoddy reason and half of me feels you know this.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:03 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:51 pm So, Cape doesn't include Wilgy in his "possible voting candidates" list, but he DOES express disinterest in going after Ruri or Porscha, both of which Wilgy wants to go after. Cape and Wilgy COULD be hard distancing if they are both mafia, but this doesn't feel like the case. There's also this post:

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:44 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:23 pm I think there's a good chance Porscha is scum
convince me

I still feel like he is town, but yeah, problem is he hasn't at all explained his suspicion on Porscha as of this post (do not know if he has but I am catching up.
Wasn't really considering him or Seanzie or Scotty

1. I don't think Porscha is spewed town yet which I'd expect from them at this point. It's a similar argument from d1.

2. Michelle wanted it and is dead town.

I think that's enough equity to vote there especially with how low energy this game has been.

Scotty's vote on me feels very off.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 6:58 pm I think I'm fully committed to not going after Cape or Seanzie even if Seanzie seemed to imply earlier that he may not be townreading Cape as much as he was. Until further notice, I'm considering them town.

Scotty seems frustrated with the game state and the low energy levels, and I'm going to take it as genuine and, thus, towny.

I don't remember anything Wilgy has said D2 aside from maybe wanting to go after me, but not before getting rid of Ruri. He had a good D1, and Michelle liked him, so I don't mind keeping him around longer.

What is there to add? Nothing has changed this cycle.

Half the folks here are just mia, so let's get to hacking the weeds away.

I think there's a good chance Porscha is scum. Lily has some points per Michelle's death. I get constant Wolfy vibes from you and saying that you've glazed over me this day doesn't really inspire anything great.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:16 pm Current vote totals:

Seanzie (1): Scotty
MacDougall (1): Seanzie
Cape90 (1): MacDougall
Arcbell (1): Neon
Porscha (1): DrWilgy

Not voting: Arcbell, Porscha, falcon45ca, Lilypetal, Moonwink, Ruri, Cape90

This is an ugly vote count with day ending tonite, y’all. This is not how town wins games

I mean, the game is dead. No one is solving. Some have acknowledged they aren't solving and have continued at the same pace.

Just gonna yolo vote Porscha and hope I'm right

This game was dead at birth. Pour one out. Sheep the dead towns.
[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:25 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:46 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:28 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:37 am Mafia is like probably falcon and seanzie
Mac is going after LHF. Bad Mac.

@Scotty
Wilgy wants to get rid of Ruri. What do you think about that?
I don't remember anything about Wilgy or Ruri this game. They have left zero impression on me thus far.

Hmm...

I do think I've been decently opinionated this game. I find that you'd not recall me odd.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:42 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:40 pm [VOTE: Ruri] aubergine

I'd prefer Moonwink, but we need to cut down the slankers.
Do you not think Ruri will self resolve? I don’t agree that the slankers will answer for their crimes of impassion

Why would they?

Town has to feel like they waste a day to get rid of net negative thread behavior.

Sk has no reason to do it.

Wolves have no reason to do it.

Sk or wolf in the informationless slot is a disaster waiting to happen.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:50 pm [VOTE: porscha] aubergine

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:51 pm Lily seems to be scum but one player wagon is not good

Or maybe we just hit the wolf/sk inside of Lilscha

[VOTE: Ruri] aubergine

I'd prefer Moonwink, but we need to cut down the slankers.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:08 pm [VOTE: Arcbell] aubergine

See, like this. I like this.

(that's a joke btw, my wife is lovely and doesn't care about my Mafia games)

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:03 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:10 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:25 am i'm gonna be honest if you looked at my iso and really that that was wolf iso then I extremely disappointed because it was literally nothing other than rvs joking around
What shock, we think you are wolf because of a lack of hunting.
Why is Porscha more woofy for this than me

Tbh, I'm ignoring your slot for now. If you are town it'll show. Otherwise we'll yeet you in f3 and if you are town it'll be all my fault and I'll cry and my wife will kick me out of bed because she doesn't sleep with losers.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:53 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:13 am Porscha, why Scotty getting urked at? I was thinking I was in the same headspace.
can I ask why you expect a significant portion of scum hunting day 1 when I generally am a jag off day 1 when the most i'll do is find a couple people towny

like do you and scotty think everyone *except* me scum hunted well or do I suddenly have standards put upon me by other people that I am unaware of

Personally the latter.

I often can tell when you spew yourself as town, or at least I feel like I'm 3/4 on it and I didn't see it yesterday. While, yes, that is based on my own personal notion of you, I think it does still hold merit.

@Neon explain the Porscha tr plz.

Current thoughts,
Not much has changed. Cape seems relatively towny.

Porscha is a fascinating slot.

Porscha, why Scotty getting urked at? I was thinking I was in the same headspace.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:25 am i'm gonna be honest if you looked at my iso and really that that was wolf iso then I extremely disappointed because it was literally nothing other than rvs joking around

What shock, we think you are wolf because of a lack of hunting.

lol, I don't have the capacity to EoD scramble in two games.

Scotty and Falcon are real gamers voting HK with me.

[VOTE: hk ] aubergine

Like, I still think HK is 95% wolf, but if I can't have that, then w/e

Porscha is also a fine yeet
[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 1:16 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 1:10 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 1:07 pm I disagree with the Michelle read tho. Her input sounded too smiley and hunky dory
Are there posts that specifically put you in that mindset? I recall progress that seemed to indicate that they were at least trying to break rvs with Mac and that is generally town sided.
There’s only 12 posts to go on, but as I’ve mentioned before, the ratio of emojis/friendliness to posts sounds a little too gentle. I know nothing of Michelle’s town meta or whatnot, but in a vacuum that always makes me uneasy. It’s D1 so it’s so minuscule.

Like, look at literally every post- if it doesn’t have an emoji to soften it, it has a soft shrug.

And now I feel gross for putting a microscope on this because I’d much prefer a player to be friendly than be outwardly nasty but I call it as I see it

I don't think a softer voice via emoji expression is wolfy for Michelle.

Me, yes, Mac I'd yeet in the spot for it, and if Jay did it I think I'd just have to sub out, but not Michelle.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 1:07 pm I disagree with the Michelle read tho. Her input sounded too smiley and hunky dory

Are there posts that specifically put you in that mindset? I recall progress that seemed to indicate that they were at least trying to break rvs with Mac and that is generally town sided.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:30 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:10 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:10 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:47 am
ThisIsNotAceMarvel wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:46 am who do you share videos?
? I saw your first test fine

town:
Scotty
DrWigly

want to call town:
Neon
falcon
Porscha

Everyone else is null to me
I'm gonna steal these reads for now. <3
Gross. Why steal these.

Why is Scotty town if you are stealing these?
lol, this is an overreaction

And that's not an answer, more so a silly dissuasion to my questioning.

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