The Syndicate

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:22 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:56 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:42 pm @☆Princess Abigail☆ would you be able to put together a full list of reads? Rainbow or tiers or something like that would be super. Explanations only if you feel like it.
I mean my list is just what I've posted

Your town or your not in my eyes

You and falcon are town and I'm like at least gonna fake confidence until exelo on both those reads.

I literally have not found anyone else this game. Wiml is probably the closest thing I have to another town lock at this point in catch up his posts are inquisitive and insightful in a way that's towny in mindset in my opinion. Their questions seem to come from a place of genuine solving and not from a place of pushing a scum agenda.

Now I do need to disclose that my dyslexia is particularly awful this game so I'm struggling to read and retain a lot of Wimls posts because they are often wordy but what I do manage to understand feels pure as snow to me...

Actually writing this post has made me pretty confident

TOWN CORE

JJJ
Wiml
Falc
+3

Falcon is like exclusively just based off the fact that there's a large consensus on him being town I am in agreement though less hoorah on it but others confidence is just kinda influencing my choice since it gels with my general read direction on falc
Adding Wilgy to this

JJJ
Wiml
Falc
Wilgy
+2

Game so ez let's go

I figured you'd not give me a tr so definitively and quickly following Sesame Seed?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:40 pm I'm too lazy to explain why

That's exactly what a wolf would say.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:33 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:44 am VC
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☆Princess Abigail☆
3
25%
Voters: Epignosis, Michelle, Kate
Epignosis
2
17%
Voters: falcon45ca, ☆Princess Abigail☆
falcon45ca
1
8%
Voters: Lime Coke
Lime Coke
3
25%
Voters: Wiml, JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy

Do these rules apply here as well?

Oh. Ew, gross. The color is pain.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:44 am VC
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☆Princess Abigail☆
3
25%
Voters: Epignosis, Michelle, Kate
Epignosis
2
17%
Voters: falcon45ca, ☆Princess Abigail☆
falcon45ca
1
8%
Voters: Lime Coke
Lime Coke
3
25%
Voters: Wiml, JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy

Do these rules apply here as well?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:49 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:47 pm Michelle
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, falcon45ca, Wiml

One of these 4 names is a wolf. Spoiler. It's not me.
I’m considering a Michelle/Wiml “difference check”. That term is too strong for where I stand, but some softer version of that.
I think it could be. I know I'm town.

I don't agree with locking falcon town for such weak reasons but I am town leaning falcon.

So to me it's always Michelle or Wiml

This exchange is fascinating.

Is the dif between Wiml/Michelle solely because we hit a 4 player involved wagon early? I love these observations and calls, but have also found that being on them while making said call allows me to manipulate them as wolf.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:00 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:56 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:52 pm Aye, and I'm still good with either Brad or Abigail rn. Will put in some time now to deliberate between the two.

I offered Quin in thinking they were the most eager to grab the lowest hanging fruit, and am curious as to if anyone agrees.
I don’t really see it that way. He should reply though, if it’s possible in his time zone before day ends in three hours.
what way do you see it then? Did you see insight as to where Quin found the low poster wolf in me?
I don’t know why he suspects you, no, and that is something he needs to clear up. So your beef is understandable.

It doesn’t strike me as a generic “LHF” move though. If Quin is mafia then at least one of the bigger wagons is town. They could be called LHF in their own right. I don’t care for vanity votes in general, so regardless of whether his vote for you qualifies as LHF, I’d say it’s less than his best moment.

Gun to my head he felt a bit contrarian.

Aye contrarian feels correct, but the vote on me feels very no consequence in nature based on who it was on.

I don't see what is LHF as wagon deterministic. Like, if this is town Abigail, I'd not say that it's an LHF wagon (maybe Brad would be).

LHF results in no consequence for the voter because of the perception of no net T loss in effort/energy as a result of that vote.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:09 pm [VOTE: Wiml] aubergine

Also Falc's ISO is short, maybe respond there?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:56 pm Sorry yesterday was busy as hell for me and today relatively the same.

Granted I knew about today, yesterday's wasn't expected.

Anyways....

I'm way far behind so my reads have been messed up.

I see that Wiml at least is giving me a chance so I'll lean town there.

Idk who else I'm completely lost.

my ISO is short, read me and tell me what you think.

spoiler,

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:52 pm Aye, and I'm still good with either Brad or Abigail rn. Will put in some time now to deliberate between the two.

I offered Quin in thinking they were the most eager to grab the lowest hanging fruit, and am curious as to if anyone agrees.
I don’t really see it that way. He should reply though, if it’s possible in his time zone before day ends in three hours.

what way do you see it then? Did you see insight as to where Quin found the low poster wolf in me?

Aye, and I'm still good with either Brad or Abigail rn. Will put in some time now to deliberate between the two.

I offered Quin in thinking they were the most eager to grab the lowest hanging fruit, and am curious as to if anyone agrees.

I'd like to offer a 3rd wagon. [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Homie was like,

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:37 am A lynch between Abigail and LC could tell me a lot.

Then was like,

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:44 am Abigail has earned a Day 2 and I Do Not See It for LC.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

I'll try put it into words if I have time. It's just a suspicion that is There.

and I tried to poke the suspicion out,

and I got nothing.

Dude don't even mention me before dis.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 10:23 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 10:14 am This is honestly very interesting and I think it's due to a lack of history, but I assure you Wiml, I'm the last person to be cleared.

Like almost ever and under any circumstance. I don't think you need to worry so much about that.
Yeah, that was primarily indirect response to JJJ since he said he'd not have you in his extended PoE due to disassociatives if Brad flipped wolf unless I'm misremembering.

If a town loses a mountainous game with a D1 wolf flip, it's more often than not due to misclearing (or at least mis-removing-from-PoE) somebody because of spew (or at least on MU it tends to be, idk meta here well) so I'd feel pretty guilty if I saw a possible case of that happening in real time, ignored it and then it turned out you were Lime's partner.

If you wish to see Brad and I teamed up, I'd browse cyberpunk.

However, them flipping wolf here I think makes assoc reads almost -ev due to the lack of content. I remember once an argument was made that if a wolf goes over d1 it's bad dudu for the town as it becomes a game of find the sk.

This is honestly very interesting and I think it's due to a lack of history, but I assure you Wiml, I'm the last person to be cleared.

Like almost ever and under any circumstance. I don't think you need to worry so much about that.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:58 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:54 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:39 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:27 pm I've become enlightened.

Team is:
Epi, Abigail
Epi, Kate
Wiml, Abigail
Wiml, Kate
Wilgy, Kate

Miss me wit dem @s
Are you townreading Lime Coke?
Nope.

I'm not reading LC rn. I haven't seen anything of them. My vote is only because Falcon town and Falcon probs goat.
What's specific about those teams you listed, then?

I assumed you meant that they were the only teams that you thought seemed likely.

Idk, they carried who I thought was the correct answer by quantity, by dif check and by gut reaction. I really wasn't thinking about other people in the moment.

If I were to update this actually thinking about it and the players involved this game it'd be like an evolving PoE that should be solved like: Kate/Abigail, LC/Wiml, Quin, Epi, Roxy? I think that's the greater PoE till other evolutions or events are seen.

However, I've only read what I've been around for still and Falc's ISO. Catching up continues to be difficult, so it's a matter of gauging in the moment for me so far.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:56 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:47 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:03 am @DrWilgy could you expand on why Wiml was one of the names of interest for you when you were considering possible mafia pairs?
Wiml tries to place me in their pocket. Pockets are scary. Even when scented of "new vehicle"
You're no longer getting a free pass anyway lol.

Implying I'd take it anyways

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:17 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:22 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:19 pm Is cheesecake a pie or cake?
Worse than both
Scum just for this post

Cheesecake, Pie, Cake, Soup. Long ago, the four nations lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Pie Nation attacked. Only the Abigail, master of all four elements, could stop them, but when the world needed them most, they vanished.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:49 amZzz

No, don't fall asleep with me, you'll get sick

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:39 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:27 pm I've become enlightened.

Team is:
Epi, Abigail
Epi, Kate
Wiml, Abigail
Wiml, Kate
Wilgy, Kate

Miss me wit dem @s
Are you townreading Lime Coke?

Nope.

I'm not reading LC rn. I haven't seen anything of them. My vote is only because Falcon town and Falcon probs goat.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:44 am Abigail has earned a Day 2 and I Do Not See It for LC.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

I'll try put it into words if I have time. It's just a suspicion that is There.

Zzz

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:03 am @DrWilgy could you expand on why Wiml was one of the names of interest for you when you were considering possible mafia pairs?

Wiml tries to place me in their pocket. Pockets are scary. Even when scented of "new vehicle"

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:20 pm I'm seven pages behind and today was not a good day.

I'll try to read though and see what I missed.

I'm sorry my man. I hope things get better.

Speaking of food. Can someone get me some more enoki. The Asian market is too far away...

This is exactly why you are a steak dinner with fancy pants potatoes

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:22 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:19 pm Is cheesecake a pie or cake?
Worse than both

Can't they all live in peace

Is cheesecake a pie or cake?

I'm always scared to post

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:51 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:47 pm @Kate what is your read on me?
I personally think of you as a Medium Rare Steak Dinner with a side of Fondant Potatoes
It would seem that I am absolutely not what I eat.
If wolves eat civs, does that make wolves civs?

It's too late for your mental gymnastics!

But I just woke uuuuuuuup

I'd sheep it

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:51 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:47 pm @Kate what is your read on me?
I personally think of you as a Medium Rare Steak Dinner with a side of Fondant Potatoes
It would seem that I am absolutely not what I eat.

If wolves eat civs, does that make wolves civs?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:47 pm @Kate what is your read on me?

I personally think of you as a Medium Rare Steak Dinner with a side of Fondant Potatoes

Yeah is there a big difference in stats between a lv 8 Kate and a yeeted lv 9 Kate?

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:29 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:27 pm I've become enlightened.

Team is:
Epi, Abigail
Epi, Kate
Wiml, Abigail
Wiml, Kate
Wilgy, Kate

Miss me wit dem @s
You know I'm very tempted to have you guys lynch me just so I could prove definitively that intuition is better than stats.

Homie, I trust your intuition. Your intuition stat is like 99 compared to my 92.

You like dumped all your stats into intuition.

It's because I trust your intuition Abigail and you are on these lists.

It's also because I trust your intuition it'd be really weird for the Abigail read to be wrong without good reason.

I've become enlightened.

Team is:
Epi, Abigail
Epi, Kate
Wiml, Abigail
Wiml, Kate
Wilgy, Kate

Miss me wit dem @s

I'm going back into my sleepy pod now.

Bro

I can't even comprehend my own thoughts rn. How did you do it?

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:45 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:40 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:29 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:26 am This is not real lol
Reads are fluid, especially this early. Keep doing your thing, Abigail.
Okay but like what I mean by this is not real is that 2 people have said that I'm town

Michelle has said why

They've answered

Michelle has said no

And they've been like oh ha yes you are right in fact no

And nobody thinks this is fishy or weird.

It brings to mind that famous W Bush quote

Fool me once shame on you fool me twice uh never fool me again
This is extremely coherent for a tzenon.

Gonna put my vote here for now.

[VOTE: PA] aubergine

It was when I read this that I thought that implied a dif. Not sure why exactly.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:57 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:54 pm I do think being uninformed is a completely different beast. It's a lot easier to post when you have no clue.

Anyway, it's not worth dwelling on at this point. Kate is in my POE regardless of volume. I am considering Kate/Abigail as a difference check now (insert obligatory "or some softer version of that term").
I'd be interested in hearing your difference check read if you're up for explaining it?

The Kate/Abigail dif check is real. I remember thinking there was one but couldn't tell you for the life of me as to why I thought it.

Wild that it was observed by someone else though, I'd never had said anything and just let it amount to fuzzy sick brain.

I couldn't sleep so now I'm soupin instead. Will try to continue catching up now.

Falcon T Is easy enough to find in my opinion.

It's similar to what Seanzie said about them in JJJ'S dates game that ended not too long ago. If what Seanzie said about T falcon in that game matches what you see in a game it's likely the same circumstance.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 12:55 pm @DrWilgy I know it sucks playing while ill, prioritise taking care of yourself first!!!

I'm happy just assuming you're a villager and giving you space for now tbh.

Aye, I'd just assume I'm an unknown though because I am.

I skimmed Falc and I agree this is T Falcon quite confidently. While I haven't seen LC's posts, I can believe T fal believes what he saw there and would be willing to sheep that so far.

Will nap and do some other thinking later.

[VOTE: LC] aubergine

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 12:31 pm @Wiml uh I guess I can detail Epi in that I form reads from vibes and tone. Epi's tone seems different than last game and it bugged me thinking he could be bad but last two times I thought he was bad he was in fact town. The basis of my read.

@DrWilgy I am so sorry to hear this feel better soon <3 hope you have had a vaccine <3

Ty ty. I've been through it twice already and have been vaccinated, I expect my immune system to boot it out of me in another day or two.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 12:24 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 12:23 pm Good news, I'm finally town (thank God)

Bad news, I got covid and will probably not be around very much. We have any consensus townies for me to sheep this cycle?
Get well soon!

Probs Michelle or JJJ?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 12:26 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 12:23 pm Good news, I'm finally town (thank God)

Bad news, I got covid and will probably not be around very much. We have any consensus townies for me to sheep this cycle?
Sorry Doc. That is ass.

The most consensus town read might be falcon. Maybe myself. It’s actually a little hard to tell, and we could stand to improve that as a group.

Thank you. I'll look at these three slots when I feel up to it.

Good news, I'm finally town (thank God)

Bad news, I got covid and will probably not be around very much. We have any consensus townies for me to sheep this cycle?

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