The Syndicate

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:45 pm @DrWilgy Why are you town? What have you done that's you wouldn't as a wolf?

You don't need to put a tonne of effort into this as I get it might get in the way of other stuff for you but I'm interested in your response.

Nothing. I'm the least polarized player on the planet.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:41 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:40 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:13 pm Any good Wilgy readers here want to talk about him with me?

Or anybody with a strong read on him really.

That doesn't exist.

I'll make it exist.

Good luck.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 4:06 am @Kate
@Roxy
@DrWilgy

Please share your thoughts about the game, we need activity here

I think we've chosen to not trust the process and this puts the game in a questionable state.

While I get the Wiml suspicion (d1 I was on board), by modification to the PoE in this game state to include Wiml they no longer are self resolving.

Previously, we go through the PoE of Kate/Epi/Me/Abigail as much as possible, and then question who's alive at lylo and who's been manipulating out of f3 it's easier as the game had a clear route with noticable oddity.

Now our PoE is too large too early, NK's give us less information and we have to go off of a more gut based approach and that is somewhat gross to me.

Like, I still think solving Kate to be necessary at this point, however, an f3 with like me/Abigail/Wiml is now terrifying because we didn't let the "bussers" self resolve via a strong town core.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:13 pm Any good Wilgy readers here want to talk about him with me?

Or anybody with a strong read on him really.

That doesn't exist.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:22 pm Either way, stop hammering. It's foolish.

NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

That would be a significant amount of energy that I'm not willing to put forth at the moment, but maybe later.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:13 pm @DrWilgy I know you previously mentioned that you thought that Roxy wouldn't treat a wolf teammate like she treated Lime Coke. What's your confidence level on that? Is it something that you'd bet the game on?

@Kate I know you're busy but I'd still appreciate your up to date takes on Roxy / Abigail if you're free this day phase since they're people I expect you to have a lot of useful insight on if you're town (and anybody else you have a good read on).

Yeah sure. I'd lose to them if Roxy hard broke meta and then did it in a way that seems even difficult to be seen as a bus.

I think Roxy explained this already, but Roxy comes from a time where the dead don't win, thus bussing is generally frowned upon by the players of this mindset.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:14 pm Oh shit. Unbelievable day. Want me to hammer? I'm fine. I'll be back tonight and it's my anniversary on top of it!

Ps. Just paid deposit for Andrew to go to college! *sob*

Happy anniversary!

Yay college!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:22 pm Quin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Epi / Kate / Wilgy

I suppose that’ll do as a “full” POE pool.

We have a bigger problem if the yeets make it to me mefinks.

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:02 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:53 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:37 am @DrWilgy I'd appreciate for peace of mind if you could talk to me about your EoD1 mindset and why you voted Abigail over Lime.

And in general how your read on Lime developed over the course of D1.

Twas to mess with you and the thread. There was no other reason.

Read developed? I don't think there was much development. Falcon said he was bad, I trusted Falcon. Thread tension continued to point in the direction that was LC was bad. Counter arguments to LC being bad were strictly in the existence of a W!you and/or W!Roxy. I wasn't going to explore a W!you or W!Roxy so naturally it was between Kate and LC for me (with a minor on Quin. Kate wasn't a wagon, and LC was going over regardless of my tomfoolery (I would've moved if needed).

But in all seriousness, thanks for the response.

This makes things make a lot more sense now since I was still struggling to gauge how serious you were.

No problem!

(I just noticed that I didn't close the parenthesis around the statement regarding Quin being minor and now I'll be perpetually bothered. All my script sense is now telling that the entire universe shouldn't be working because of said open parenthesis

Hey, on the bright side now I know to trust your Brad soulread card going forward.

Silliness is the extra pepperoncini they toss in the pizza box. Gets some of the pizza moist, but the object itself is rather delicious.

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:14 am Wigly is giving me the strange vibes but not bc he is sick but bc he is posting and acting all solvy like he did in a recent game and wolfed the f out of that game to *almost* bring the win home for them. I was absolutely gobsmacked when he was shown to be a baddie. And still am bowing to Daisy for that win for the town.

No worries Roxy, I'm not W this time. Even if I was I wouldn't have the energy to power wolf lol.

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:37 am @DrWilgy I'd appreciate for peace of mind if you could talk to me about your EoD1 mindset and why you voted Abigail over Lime.

And in general how your read on Lime developed over the course of D1.

Twas to mess with you and the thread. There was no other reason.

Read developed? I don't think there was much development. Falcon said he was bad, I trusted Falcon. Thread tension continued to point in the direction that was LC was bad. Counter arguments to LC being bad were strictly in the existence of a W!you and/or W!Roxy. I wasn't going to explore a W!you or W!Roxy so naturally it was between Kate and LC for me (with a minor on Quin. Kate wasn't a wagon, and LC was going over regardless of my tomfoolery (I would've moved if needed).

Fair enough.

Gives me more opportunities to nap.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:29 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:27 pm I just wanna process the PoE.

Keeping momentum by hammer is important sometimes.

What do you mean, when is it important, and when is it not important?

I think it's important when a town has consensus mostly reached already (this game state). Much more likely to occur on last wolf and around the PoE trimming cycles. Prevent stagnation and outbreaks of infighting. Trusting the process.

It's important to not hammer when the consensus PoE is larger, where deliberation can resolve 50/50s (none exist atm that are of concern, Quin flipping town would bring the Kate/Abigail 50/50 back into question for me, but I don't think that'll happen).

I just wanna process the PoE.

Keeping momentum by hammer is important sometimes.

This is where I'd use my hammer.

IF I HAD ONE!

Give me my vengeance for that vote! I shall avenge Falcon as well!

It seems we are in accord.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 5:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 5:22 pm PoE just feels like Quin, Epi, Kate right?

Depends upon how brave you are about Kate's last post of Day 1. That might be one of those "oh, well she's town, nevermind" moments. I understand if that makes anyone uneasy.

The full POE pool can go four deep, so those three plus Abigail would be the most generic case.

Oh, no I see it. Didn't you see my silly reply?

I'd rather not invest brain cells into that anyhow.

Actually, yoink Epi off that again...

Just Quin.

Quin is the PoE.

PoE just feels like Quin, Epi, Kate right?

FALCON NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:59 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:18 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:39 pm I came across that reading your ISO Neon, but perhaps for the sake of brevity, could you talk to me about your read on Kate?

It's not a great read but Kate knows me possibly as good or better than anyone in this game and generally has a good track record of reading me town including finding me like immediately just last game so her complete flop on reading me correctly and the lack of conviction and the lack of content and the lack of being a loud voice for town. It's concerning.

I just had a lot of crap irl. And if you know me, I'd NEVER blame rl to protect my wolfness. I think that's lame play.

Good morning Kate! I hope the crap lightens up!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:57 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:56 pm If Lime Coke is town, I do think Wiml/Roxy becomes very real within the PoE, but I'd still like to see some Kate resolution. I think Kate is a perfectly valid LC teammate, but I think the only ones who aren't compatible are like Falc/Wiml/Jay/Rox.

If the scenario comes to pass, you should certainly explore that possibility. At least ask the questions and have the conversation, and hold others accountable to participate in it.

Aye, but figured I should point it out before EoD. Who knows, maybe they'll kill me n1 (wouldn't that be somethin?)?

I can't even poke at Wiml's desire for a safe EoD anymore Sadness.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:41 pm If Lime Coke is mafia:

Kate is my top suspect. Epignosis will have to answer for failing to address Lime Coke at all. Quin is also fishy. Kate > Epi = Quin would be my top three.

If Lime Coke is town:

The game is in legitimate jeopardy. Hold everyone's butt to the fire and play hard enough to give town a chance. Mountainous is rarely easy, and I expect a difficult game ahead if this comes to pass. You can still trust some of your initial intuitions and judgments, but be sure to really think through things, talk to each other, and make decisions as a team to the best of your ability. Don't splinter and play in your own bubbles.

If Lime Coke is not eliminated:

He should have been.

If Lime Coke is town, I do think Wiml/Roxy becomes very real within the PoE, but I'd still like to see some Kate resolution. I think Kate is a perfectly valid LC teammate, but I think the only ones who aren't compatible are like Falc/Wiml/Jay/Rox.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:48 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:44 pm Nah, I'm not Lime Coke's teammate. We'd be having way more fun.

You'd have to prove it by voting him tbh.

I have no qualms about doing so. I wanted to move by vote away from where I've been sitting anyway. You could say I'm...boooooored.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

@Lime Coke come self pres, it'd be funny

Don't let Wiml bully you Epi. You do what you want fam. You're beautiful.

A silly gamestate is 9 times out of 10 a pro T gamestate. See champs 2023 game 1 d1. We went full silly.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:29 pmGreat.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:27 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:26 pm [VOTE: Abigail] aubergine

For fun.

Please tell me this isn't a your real vote.

Oh, but of course it is.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:27 pm Wilgy might be one of my top town reads all of a sudden. I just thoroughly buy his hunt as real.

Savory steak pocket!

[VOTE: Abigail] aubergine

For fun.

Aye, and Idk how much more I have in me to look at ISOs.

I feel that Kate is carrying more threadweight than they should.

PoE
Abigail/Kate, LC/(Wiml/Roxy), Quin

Gut says to trust the others, but I can't explain inherently why. LC going over this cycle is fine, but I don't think as resolving as Kate would be, but who knows, maybe we get Roxy and Wiml off this list.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:16 pm Wilgy, will you please move back onto a non-vanity wagon before EoD? Just to avoid shenanigans since Lime will probably self pres at some point.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:14 pm I don't believe I have ever seen Epignosis solely pile on his own teammate once since I joined this website. There's a first time for everything, but I doubt he's teamed with Abigail.

I don't think so either. I do know that Abigail does enjoy da bus life though.

Perhaps you are just correct. This does take more tension away from Epi if I think along these lines.

Skimmed Epi.

Meh, I think Epi's town but I always think Epi's town.

I think Epi/Abigail is still a perfectly viable team though and it's something to be mindful of.

Epi/Abigail doesn't work if W Kate though, so that's at least one approach we can take towards solving.

@Kate you make good rainbows. Where's the pretty rainbow today?

Half inclined to say you were content with dropping the Abigail read and coasting.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:04 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:59 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:53 pm have had an wild afternoon and need to get Ariya fast. So I have to vote now vote limey
I cannot read him one way or the other except the disappearing act is never a good sign. I'll thank Wiml for this if we get a hit but will not blame them if we don't. I do like their case and felt they have the knowledge of Limey that I just don't.

Hmmm...

If Brad is town, does W Roxy have the need to stack here sheeping the Wiml?

My first guess would be no, though it'd be less about need and more about character. I think mafia Roxy would probably be less inclined to forgive Wiml for being wrong in advance if LC is town. It's just a small hunch though.

Aye, unless it's a team assoc. I know W Roxy is very pro teammate. Wiml/Roxy has some merit there.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:40 pm So it must be Quin, diet Pepsi and poor poor Dr wolfy.

*solved*

How dare you.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:14 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:11 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:14 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:06 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:05 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:00 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:55 am Well that's unfortunate.

What do you think of the reasons I gave for town reading falcon?

Farty.

I laughed.

Why do you read me as town if my town read on your suspect is farty?

I actually used that because you used it to describe my post and I though it was funny.

I just looked at it.

I think my thing was seeing him vote you and Michelle, mainly Michelle, and thinking it was bad.

Your townread on him I can maybe see from your POV with how he was reading you specifically.
Though I think the "Voting him until he creates a towncore" kind of just feels like a fake thing to use just to set a bar however high he wants and not give credit.

I'm back and forth on the read itself I'll have to see him a second go around.

What're your thoughts on D1 now?




This might be the last post that actually had any content that we could call solving.

falcon thank you bc this really is the only thing I can point to and say maybe falc is right coupled with Wiml read of them makes me think you and others are indeed right about them.

Actually looks like Roxy was pointed this direction earlier.

Hmmmmmm...

Roxy I think remains firmly in PoE but wouldn't vote for this cycle.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:53 pm have had an wild afternoon and need to get Ariya fast. So I have to vote now vote limey
I cannot read him one way or the other except the disappearing act is never a good sign. I'll thank Wiml for this if we get a hit but will not blame them if we don't. I do like their case and felt they have the knowledge of Limey that I just don't.

Hmmm...

If Brad is town, does W Roxy have the need to stack here sheeping the Wiml?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:36 pm Than you do not know me well

Aye, not a challenge to your patterns, but a challenge to generalized town patterns. Don't know how T Abigail would respond, but I don know how 70% of everyone else as T would.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:35 pm The other thing the answer to Wilgys question. It only applies to the very very first wagon to reach 3 votes because that's when people are trying to find their footing. This read only works when people are not comfortable and dug in.

Unknown if I agree with this part chief. I don't think players really even get dug in until a flip happens, but I can at least understand your perspective.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:27 pm It seems Lime Coke's return was to be lost, to grant Wiml a town read, and then to vote for Wiml.

I am not inclined to move my vote.

Great sadness was had. I even popcorn gif'd.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:11 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:07 pm careful to give me too much credit there Jay. Half my posts are about fettuccini.

That's true. I just saw in your ISO that ten posts are about how much I am steak.

Oi! better than being somethin smelly.

careful to give me too much credit there Jay. Half my posts are about fettuccini.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:49 pm Worried that a lot of the PoE isn't really interactable with in the ways that I'd like them to be due to a lot of players being so far behind the thread.

I don't hold it against people for being unable to keep up for whatever reason but I'm finding it hard to gauge confidence in this threadstate and it's very easy for villagers to get perma-stuck in the PoE because of it.

Define interactable?

Is it the fact that Me/LC/Epi/Quin have low post numbers resulting in not very many 50/50s?