The Syndicate

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:28 pm wigly/anne/obscurity
is a team i see

Idk how a Wilgy/Obscurity team makes sense.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:13 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:10 pm My hangup on Nook.

Lately Nook and I have been finding each other, or at least get close before I misyeet him (see that damn last wolf Jay game).

I don't know if that's happening this game and it's weird. Like I don't feel close to telling what Nook is.

I know I don't want to vote there because I'm invested on not being incorrect and would feel like a turd if I'm misreading that slot. Speaking rationally, I have nothing to clear Nook. Not even the gimmick has town vibe the more I think on it.
This is inaccurate, i have been finding you early and you eventually get to me after flips and me wearing you down

An eventually of finding is still finding lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:18 pm I have a...its not really a difference check, idk what to call it, anyways I have mech info that there's at least one mafia between ruri/schia/falcon, I think its probably ruri

Start of the gimmick 8-6 8:18am

Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:38 am I am doc. Vote someone else.

Ruri claim 8-6 5:38am

Bruh what was your intent if the gimmick was pre claim like you supposedly think?

Skimmed Porscha's ISO.

Towny enough.

Idk, low energy Porscha is hard to read when compared to big post Porscha that I'm used to. I almost misyeeted low energy Porscha in NAA's game that just ended so I'd rather not make the same mistake twice.

anne wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:11 pm Imo Seanzie and Jack are difference checked so I'd probably kill Jack if Seanzie is town and vice versa. I feel like Seanzie would be more solid in presenting his reasons, even if it were on a micro level, if it were V/V. It's not hard to imagine a world where he's just pushing a bunk gamestate. On the other hand, Jack's play around Sabi slot is p bad and I don't sr everyone on his wagon so I could easily see that flipping wolf. The only thing is that a w!Jack suggests a pretty weird mafia team and idk if we're in that world so I might actually lean towards Seanzie being more likely mafia atp.

Seanzies interactions with Sabi I thought were very not W/W.

Can you describe the dif check between the two?

My hangup on Nook.

Lately Nook and I have been finding each other, or at least get close before I misyeet him (see that damn last wolf Jay game).

I don't know if that's happening this game and it's weird. Like I don't feel close to telling what Nook is.

I know I don't want to vote there because I'm invested on not being incorrect and would feel like a turd if I'm misreading that slot. Speaking rationally, I have nothing to clear Nook. Not even the gimmick has town vibe the more I think on it.

anne wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:04 pmhihihihihihi

Hello hello hello hello hello!i!

If I recall there wasn't a lot of weight on Ruri at the time?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:58 am I mean it just looks like "may as well try to out a strong pr on my way out" to me lol but

Ruri claimed before your gimmick Nook, why would they need to "strong pr their way out?"

Bah, [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I still vibe W Schia, but am becoming aware that I'm misreading as I'm of split attention between this and work.

I should come back to this.

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:34 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:24 am But the vibe.

"I low post and vibe as I go, I don't mind if I die"

"How could Wilgy possibly have a W progression on me?"

Bah
Just so we're clear, I absolutely do mind if I die.

Aye, I did a reread. I did misread you on that subject.

Falcons ISO is poop

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:13 am I don't think that the Jack thing is a tell in how it's formatted at all but -

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:53 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:29 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 3:10 pmI'm bored
2.5 hours til EoD and I RaNdOmLy put mac into the lead with 3 votes.

What are the top 3 players you would be willing to vote for today, sabi?
Mac, Rondo, lucy and maybe cape.

Cape has felt towny lately ish so I'm swinging back and forth
I could genuinely see Sabi feeling compelled to put a partner here (in the 3rd position especially seems bad), which is a point against Lucy to me.

I will still argue against Rule of 3 catching wolves.

But the vibe.

"I low post and vibe as I go, I don't mind if I die"

"How could Wilgy possibly have a W progression on me?"

Bah

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:16 am Like, if you want to see an actual game where w!Schia had to set up for a Jack mislim without outright pushing for the slot or outing partner in the process, you can read my semifinal - it's only 20some odd posts, very light reading [x]

How do you ISO on MU?

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:13 am I'm not saying vote = push; you said "voting Jack for using a triplet is scummy" and I reaffirmed that I am not voting Jack.

I think said post is word salad, looks like Jack pulled names and idm if he goes over.

Alright, fair, but semantics.

That's a read I can understand. Why did it feel that I had to go argue just to get it? If you are town then the information wasn't upfront for no reason and I suppose I can entertain you legitimately having issue with my progression. W, then the information had to be created as I poked you and you disliked that I did so.

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:06 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:03 am
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:57 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:54 am
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:49 am I think you made a hasty vote on a player you thought would be easy to send over and your most recent post is cleanup
You say hasty when I'm pretty sure it's less than half day to EoD?

Also do you think I should've not poked you with a vote? I believe you said in your ISO that you don't mind being yeeted.

What makes the following posts cleanup? I stated very clearly that I had no memory of you, putting you in null. Saw that big block of text that felt long winded for no data which warranted that I vote you, voted you, then ISO'd you to see if it was valid, then put my conclusions out there.
Right, hence my asking if you think I'm a wolf

"Cleanup" in the sense that it reads like you're trying to have one foot in the policy vote column & the other in the wolf column with either outcome resulting in a mislim
I can policy yeet a wolf.

Yeah, you and Falcon fall in a policy category. I may even move my vote to Falcon after flipping through ISO as determining which of the needed yeetables the better.

Perhaps make your headspace more clear to me?

Also there's an air of OMGUS here that rubs me wrong, but I get that may be vibe.
sorry i reserve the right to be both LHF villy and poke at malformed progressions on my slot

Ok, but when I point out that you thinking it's malformed doesn't even come across clearly, why should I put a weight in these thoughts?

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:04 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:57 am
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 3:10 pm jack vote is fine. creature mixup makes sense in the context of this from jack
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:46 pm And @falcon45ca @Schiavetto @porscha don't think I'm leaving you out of this. You don't know what to do!

You don't know whether to cheer or boo Lilypetal. You don't know whether to cheer or boo Ruri.

I'm curious. Who do you think that affects? You think that affects Lilypetal? You think that affects Ruri?

No!

It affects me, the only champion who has votes, the person who deserves to not be yeeted and to have his reads followed EACH AND EVERY DAY! And I am SICK! I am SICK OF NOT GETTING THE RESPECT I DESERVE!
which feels like your standard ~*~*~rule of three~*~*~ junk
Alright, so this is the post right?

Creature mixup has no meaning to me, care to elaborate?

Voting Jack for using a triplet is scummy. Rule of 3 is a yoke and I've never seen it catch scum.
I'm not voting Jack.

Creature had said earlier that I was on the lilypetal wagon, which I was not, and I cited this post from jack as a possible reason for his thinking so.

I don't stand by rule of three as a hard and fast rule (not even remotely, was hoping the stars had made the tongue-in-cheek sufficiently clear, guess not) but the premise behind it, tossing names together to dilute associatives/fluff up posts is like

a thing that happens lol

The insistence that one has to vote to push is flawed.

Wait so not even this post was AI indicative? I'm pretty sure I don't understand your point then.

I still don't know, from your perspective, what makes Jack a fine yeet option.

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:01 am how many in Falcon/lucy/Ruri/NOOK/Seanzie?

I mean, Falcon, again, I think can be aligned anywhere so this is a hard one.

I really don't think I've miscleared Ruri, Lucy, or Seanzie incorrectly yet.

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:57 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:54 am
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:49 am I think you made a hasty vote on a player you thought would be easy to send over and your most recent post is cleanup
You say hasty when I'm pretty sure it's less than half day to EoD?

Also do you think I should've not poked you with a vote? I believe you said in your ISO that you don't mind being yeeted.

What makes the following posts cleanup? I stated very clearly that I had no memory of you, putting you in null. Saw that big block of text that felt long winded for no data which warranted that I vote you, voted you, then ISO'd you to see if it was valid, then put my conclusions out there.
Right, hence my asking if you think I'm a wolf

"Cleanup" in the sense that it reads like you're trying to have one foot in the policy vote column & the other in the wolf column with either outcome resulting in a mislim

I can policy yeet a wolf.

Yeah, you and Falcon fall in a policy category. I may even move my vote to Falcon after flipping through ISO as determining which of the needed yeetables the better.

Perhaps make your headspace more clear to me?

Also there's an air of OMGUS here that rubs me wrong, but I get that may be vibe.

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 3:10 pm jack vote is fine. creature mixup makes sense in the context of this from jack
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:46 pm And @falcon45ca @Schiavetto @porscha don't think I'm leaving you out of this. You don't know what to do!

You don't know whether to cheer or boo Lilypetal. You don't know whether to cheer or boo Ruri.

I'm curious. Who do you think that affects? You think that affects Lilypetal? You think that affects Ruri?

No!

It affects me, the only champion who has votes, the person who deserves to not be yeeted and to have his reads followed EACH AND EVERY DAY! And I am SICK! I am SICK OF NOT GETTING THE RESPECT I DESERVE!
which feels like your standard ~*~*~rule of three~*~*~ junk

Alright, so this is the post right?

Creature mixup has no meaning to me, care to elaborate?

Voting Jack for using a triplet is scummy. Rule of 3 is a yoke and I've never seen it catch scum.

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:49 am I think you made a hasty vote on a player you thought would be easy to send over and your most recent post is cleanup

You say hasty when I'm pretty sure it's less than half day to EoD?

Also do you think I should've not poked you with a vote? I believe you said in your ISO that you don't mind being yeeted.

What makes the following posts cleanup? I stated very clearly that I had no memory of you, putting you in null. Saw that big block of text that felt long winded for no data which warranted that I vote you, voted you, then ISO'd you to see if it was valid, then put my conclusions out there.

Idk if I should have to ask a town for that, but w/e. People play Mafia weird.

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:45 am Do you think I'm scum?

I think I have arguments at least for others to be town. I don't have the slightest clue as to your headspace.

Plus a Rondo kill into "push Jack" just fits as to what I'd expect of the wolf.

I'd call Falcon lv 1 and you lv 1.15.

Perhaps fill me in on your thoughts? What makes Jack a good yeet?

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 3:24 pm doc dodge read felt Fine

i have zero objections to lucy/jackwagons today

Like, fr, Schivetto you have like 2 more hunting posts than Ruri and this post perpetuating the momentum on Jack with no further data is just kinda gross.

[VOTE: Schivetto ] aubergine for now.

Falcon is also fine.

I took a real deep dive on Ruri. Very long and insightful read. I've learned the secrets of the universe and reality. The Cosmos beckoned and Ruri's ISO answered the call.

tl;Dr: Obscurity might just be right and I'm giving too much credence to Nook's gimmick. I still don't think we yeet Ruri before Nook though.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:22 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:21 am
obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:18 am I guess Ruri could be mafia who was coached into a half-decent claim, /shrug.

It's true she's done legitimately nothing outside of the claim.
I think Nook would have to be a W with Ruri for this to be the case.
I'm of the opposite opinion. I don't think Ruri and Nanook are ever wolves together.

I agree with this, which is mostly why I think Ruri is clear.

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:20 am basically I don't trust anyone today. I don't think people are on the right path with Jack. hell it could be Ruri/NOOK/Falcon or legit any combination of shit.

Seems a valid possibility, but level 1.

Falcon fits with every team combo I think so putting him in as wolf would need to find the two remaining.

Like I could just as easily say Anne/Nook/Falcon or Creature/Nook/Falcon.

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:18 am I guess Ruri could be mafia who was coached into a half-decent claim, /shrug.

It's true she's done legitimately nothing outside of the claim.

I think Nook would have to be a W with Ruri for this to be the case.

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:07 am Wilgy why do you think you're still alive if you're clearing all the right people?

I think everyone should be asking themselves that.

That's been my entire headspace, and I seriously think it's because a NK on the gif poster does literally nothing to the Jack wagon.

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:04 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:02 am
obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:51 am Also this is like the third time Wilgy has been like "yeah obscurity seems bad BUT I need to review"... dude way past his review deadline, burn it
You don't get to determine what time I have to play and what I desire to do with that time.

If someone else saw the same thing I did with you pushing Lily over Sabi, maybe they with more time get to it before me which would be helpful.

Voicing intention is just as good to get data and I very much dislike that you'd just reject it as such.
I never pushed Lily over Sabi. I repeatedly said that I wanted Sabi flipped. Sabi had an 8 vote wagon and my side vote meant nothing. This is what I mean about you making shit up.

And this is exactly why I desire to reread you. Your timing on @ ing me to look at your ISO regarding Lily vs Sabi going over feels fishy as hell. I however, am not sure if this feeling is justified.

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:55 am Anne
1 in NOOK/Jack
Wilgy

Wilgy still clearing Anne makes no sense

It always really that nail in the coffin post that did it for me. I still think it's the weakest of the clears however when compared to the clears in Sean/Lucy, but I don't see it coming from wolf.

D3 however, I agree wasn't very good.

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:51 am Also this is like the third time Wilgy has been like "yeah obscurity seems bad BUT I need to review"... dude way past his review deadline, burn it

You don't get to determine what time I have to play and what I desire to do with that time.

If someone else saw the same thing I did with you pushing Lily over Sabi, maybe they with more time get to it before me which would be helpful.

Voicing intention is just as good to get data and I very much dislike that you'd just reject it as such.

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:50 am I don't think NOOK/Jack* are paired rather, I think they're unpaired

I think Wilgy saying that I look worse if NOOK is mafia makes 0 sense because I've been pushing on NOOK all day today. Feels like dude is just pulling shit at this point

That was supposed to be Creature. Head moving too quick at 1:30 am.

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:49 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:04 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:40 pm I tried to switch to Lucy eod but it was locked and not letting me by the time I got back... not that it mattered

I think you guys fighting and demanding things be your way is letting some really easy wolves slip by whilst I townread the 3 of you (sabi/Anne/Mac). We should kill Lucy and lilypetal and stop letting wolves do nothing.
I agree Mac is town, but I'm not sold on the other two.

A W in Lucy or Sabi makes sense. If it's Sabi, Lucy is just correct. If it's Lucy, they are pushing in the same direction as Mac to drive a misyeet.
"If it's Sabi, Lucy is just correct." you mean if it's sabi then lynching Lucy is correct?

Nope, the opposite. It's mostly why I thought there was a diff check between you and Sabi. "Lucy is just correct" as in "Lucy has the correct read"

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:45 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:53 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:44 pm You want cape when I have like started seeing him as towny and we mindmelded over mac
Haven't gotten to that yet. All I know is both Cape's Alison and Lily vote were sus.
remember this for later if jack flips town, because then sabi and wigly disagree wherein wigly is effectively sussing 3 townies

Wouldn't this be me shielding the Jack/Lily slot?

@lucy your 1 in Porscha/Wilgy and 1 in Anne/Wilgy is that due to Rondo NK?

I sleep now. Should be available for discussion tomorrow.

I'm caught up it seems.

Thoughts:
Lily flipping town pivots obscurity for me very hard. I will however need to re read as I don't know if this feeling is justified.

Falcon needs to go.

Ruri is still town per Nook.

My conclusion of Sean, Anne, Lucy town still hold.

Momentum makes me question Jack's alignment. I don't think it makes sense for Jack to be W in this gamestate, but perhaps I'm tin foiling abit.

Pyxxy is likely town.

I've realized that I've lost my thoughts re: Schiavetto and Porscha and need to re read those slots.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 8:20 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 1:01 pm That's fine, can I just have some solid reasons for why he's mafia?
Bad reaction to my red check

Talk to me about this. If time allows I'll re read, but would appreciate you pointing me if possible.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:26 pm Neons wonderful town core

Neon
Porscha
Creature
Ruri

If your not in that list your on my list.

I'm much better at town reading than scum reading though and I need to reread basically everyone in this game and due to Overwatch 2 releasing and ruining my life I'm a day behind so ... sorry lol

Your tr list seems awfully thin tbh. You have only 3 tr since yourself doesn't count?

obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 3:17 pm I find it odd that Jack would choose to kill some guy posting gifs who parked on a random vanity wagon over the multiple people tunneling him who are clearer and I stand by my read on him.

vibe

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:36 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:23 am too bad rondo can't give his poe eh

Spoiler: show
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:57 am Town:
Anne
Wilgy
Obscurity

Probably town:
Mac
Seanzie
Falcon
Rondo

Idk:
Neon
Nanook
Creature
Porscha
Pix
Ruri

One scum here:
Lucy
Lily

Scum:
Sabi

Roughly in order outside of the idk category.

Spoiler: show
obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:20 am Town:
Creature
Anne
Neon
Wilgy

Probably Town:
lucy
Jack
Pyxxy
Rondo

Protective?
Ruri

Null:
NANOOK
Schiavetto
Falcon
Porscha

Scum:
Seanzie
lilypetal

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:23 am too bad rondo can't give his poe eh

I read this as Jack probably town with Lucy as a remaining wolf.

Also alot of Rondo's gifs following this seemed to have beef with the whole Ruri/Nook thing, but I can't really make heads of it.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:29 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:05 am
obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 1:42 am Actually, pyxxy/Seanzie/Porscha all town
Why Porscha? That seems added oddly.
i'm just so towny uwu

Fair enough

Further, of wolves just piled on Lily to avoid voting a teammate, who are they?

Falcon maybe, Obscurity maybe, but Anne, Ruri, and Neon are town. I'm hard town leaning pyxxy's recent posts as well.

Wolf Obscurity was tunneling Lily since d1, so that's not a save/derail effort.

Falcon, maybe but again why doesn't W Falcon just bus to try to regain some footing?

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 3:01 pm Jack should prob be resolved today because yesterday's Lilypetal wagon sucked ass and I find it hard wolves all piled there and none of them went for a town!Jack mislynch.

I just don't get this. Why would wolves not go on W Jack or one of the vanity votes? Jack votes when Lily was clearly going over would just be easy equity without a teammate risk?

Also do you disagree that Lily was needing to be resolved? I can't tell if you are/were truly upset with the Lily wagon or if that's ruse.

Or simpler: Rondo is not a NK if we are heading the correct direction.

Rondo only gets yeeted if wolves are good with the current momentum. Seanzie, Nook and Creature pushed that momentum out of the gate.

Still don't think there's a W in Seanzie, but idk between Nook, Creature.

If it's Nook, maybe Obscurity reevaluation is needed.

Also further thinking while I am at it, I don't think Jack kills Rondo.

Rondo dying when Rondo's PoE had him town feels like it'd just be an error for Jack to shoot him.

Creature, Seanzie and Nook gunning for Jack out of the gate Is a bad feel.

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 3:00 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 1:17 pm Anne's lack of contributions and 2 posts today bother me but I think she is reasonably unpaired with Sabi.

Jack feels towny but there's a chance he's just pocketing me and may need to be flipped.

Creature feels town.

DrWilgy I need to review.

falcon45ca I need to review.

lucy could be mafia.

NANOOK is probably mafia.

Neon is likely town.

Porscha feels like town today.

pyxxy feels like town today.

Ruri I believe the claim.

Schiavetto idk

Seanzie felt okay today but still nullish.

anne wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:07 pm Yeah and Lucy hasn’t been super townie today either so I can see that team. The only thing is that I have an inkling Jack could be snowing me somewhat but it’s hard to gauge because of the amount of activity in this game.
You two repeatedly making soft uwu defenses of Jack while Jack hasn't done shit today makes me even more confident he's wolf and at least one of you two are with him.

Aye, this is a good take.

Lily being town I think vastly opens up the case for a deep wolf between you/obscurity.

Obscurity especially as they were still going very hard on Lily when Sabi wagon was presented.

I'll need to do ISOs when I can.

obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:41 am I present to you this mafia team

Lucy
nook
Wilgy

Okay Wilgy does seem towny but if Anne is town, which I do still believe based on her stuff with Sabi, there is stuff that she's definitely wrong about

Does anyone have an idea of Wilgy's scum range and a link to past games

Lucy/NOOK+1 with someone else also possible

I kind of think that Jack is town and feels like NOOK just pushing for a ML there. As a villager NOOK may consider more what Jack's wolf motivation in defending him may be. Plus the NOOK thing on Ruri just felt like a pointless diversion and it doesn't really feel like he cares about reads

1 in NOOK/Jack, I admit I could be wrong on Jack. I'm more confident on this than Lucy because of some unpaired stuff with Sabi

If anyone alive has a decent tell on my scum range I think it's Nook.

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