The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:50 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:39 am I really don't think W LC misses the vote the way they did
consider this: why is wolf LC less likely to fumble using a foreign software he's not used to than town LC? he is not used to voting in the poll. what if this is NAI and he just messed up as wolf?

Is it that foreign to LC? I've played several games with them here before this.

Why does wolf LC not just vote you when you asked for it and not risk the final hour vote in the first place?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:37 am i trust kate more than i trust myself. especially after i was completely snowed by hkatt, and she was right

i cant give an objective evaluation of the game. i am biased to want to believe that kate and/or sean are right

Fine, fair enough.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:37 am if this game was a clean state - like in day 1 - id be solving by my self. i solved a ton day 1, u can see for urself

And I did see what I thought to be T Tutuu d1. That made sense to me here.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:37 am i am exhausted due to the clash of perceived optimal play. i acknowledge that u and daisy believe in solving by yourselves and playing normally. i dont, not in this gamestate. im tired of the debate, its repeating the same stuff over and over. you two scumreading me when you are wrong and im town doesnt help me put more faith in believing you two to be parsing the game correctly. it incentivizes me more to be stubborn in my decision of whats the play here

But that's the thing though, I'm not scumreading you for perceived optimal play. I want to know WHY it is optimal. This post helped me alittle, but futher validation is required when solving your slot. Chances I've provided to figure out your slot have been met with nothing but resistance, even when I questioned you trying to keep me in the PoE for unexplained reasons earlier in the game. It's a pattern and at this juncture, especially following the tonal change following HK's flip, it screams agenda based play to me.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:34 am wait wilgy, why is lime coke town if tutuu is town? idk about that one (cuz I sr lime coke)

LC isn't town if Tutuu isn't town, those were independent thoughts on the if x is town I didn't parse. Should've been if Tutuu and LC are town...

I do think LC is town though. I really don't think W LC misses the vote the way they did (especially when they were around to vote and tie up the poll with Tutuu much earlier and just chose not to) and I really struggle to see Baker's interactions with HK as a bus.

I can't keep my mind of you Tutuu, send help.

So you are going out of your way to sheep and just sheep, but it all feels so arbitrary. Is there a reason why there's minimal input from Nook/Belzy/Caitlin that's being utilized in the sheeping?

I admit that I'm half annoyed here and half thinking I'm just correct on that you are pushing an agenda.

If you're town, you are pushing at least a wiff and someone I think to be a wiff. I guess if you are town, LC is town, and both LC and I go down following your plan is still fine because we'd likely still hit W Pyxxy. Following this tough, who is Pyxxy's partner and what if we are wrong on Pyxxy?

If you aren't town, you've lined up the misschops you need to win based on 2/5 dead town.

Every time I try asking for any validation or reason behind your reads, I get short answer refusals. Being exhausted is fine, I openly admit as to when I can't keep up with a game thread quite commonly, but I don't think you can have all 'I'm exhausted' and 'this is the chop order' and 'I don't care what I look like' all at the same time.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 11:11 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:29 pm seeing wilgy and pyxxy haaard push back on tutuu there was uncanny lol...
they hate me coz they aint me

Yeah pretty much.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:29 pm seeing wilgy and pyxxy haaard push back on tutuu there was uncanny lol...

Si

And it's either:
1. Easy to push T Tutuu when I'm like 'please work with me' and Tutuu's like 'nah fam'
or
2. We are both seeing the same behavior from Tutuu that feels very wolf indicative.

And with how Pyxxy was towards LC at the start of this phase I don't know what to think. At first I thought Pyxxy was very eager to drop an opportunistic vote on LC and only recalled in when it was pointed out that they were TRing LC last phase.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:28 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 4:46 pm [VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

@fingersplints do you need sometime to cook and would allowing you to review the game over the weekend get you there?

Where I think you may become solvable if you put in the energy, if Tutuu's argument is 'I'm gonna sheep regardless of how many times you've plead for me to work with you and validate the actual gamestate,' then I don't think the slot is solvable.
ew tbh mister wilgy

Oh do tell?

I don't remember, is Roxy's good day for play Sat or Sunday? Is this just a Roxy-less phase?

[VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

@fingersplints do you need sometime to cook and would allowing you to review the game over the weekend get you there?

Where I think you may become solvable if you put in the energy, if Tutuu's argument is 'I'm gonna sheep regardless of how many times you've plead for me to work with you and validate the actual gamestate,' then I don't think the slot is solvable.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:36 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:34 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:33 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:29 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:26 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:21 pm like can you see how it looks like you're setting up Lime Coke, Wilgy, and then me as the three mischops that lose the game?
Nope, im town, im not thinking how i look, dont care
okay, ill reframe

your solve makes no sense because you have found 3 scum when only 2 scum are still alive

who cares how that looks, because it isn't possible

which of me or Wilgy is trying to save our partner Lime Coke? there can only be 1
Nope, i said one of u could be town. Ik theres 2 scum. Even LC could be the town
if Lime Coke is town then why are Wilgy and I partners trying to save Lime Coke
Because ud be wolfing

Would make more sense if you said we were trying to jointly pocket a lost town that everyone seems to be gunning for, but that wouldn't ever be your argument right?

I just recounted our misyeets and Tutuu is correct. We have 3 chops left.

I do not wish to go into lylo with Splints if their status doesn't change. I'd think it'd be very difficult to solve unless we flip a teammate and get some interaction analysis.

Tutuu/Pyxxy not being W/W really makes me want to solve in there and this would also shed some light on the Pyxxy d1 cw.

I can't stop thinking that Tutuu isn't being towny and things make more sense if Tutuus just the W.

Pyxxy is still such an oddity to me. The interactions with HK are still more weird than wolfy to me. Calling LC town, then voting LC, then calling LC town again, does though come across as somewhat agenda-y.

Splints is an enigma.

Porscha I don't even think I have the capacity to solve anymore because of how many chops we have left so that's fun.

And now you've gone and made me agree with Pyxxy. Stop that.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:12 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:11 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:06 pm We can afford 2 mischops. We lose on the 3rd.

Kates legacy is Lime Coke, Wilgy, Pyxxy. She townread everyone else

Id bet the game on her last reads

And Id chop in this order

Pyxxy and wilgy being unfased at just killing a villager yesterday (belzy) - which weny against both seans and kates legacies - and now them wanting to kill me, another villager, and another townread of both kate and sean - makes me believe wilgy and pyx are not working in towns best interest

So LC > Wilgy > Pyx is how id chop and i urge u guys to vote in this order
If you think that Wilgy and I are bad, then that's the team.

So why is Lime Coke still your priority?

I can rationalize why but want to hear your thoughts.
Kate and Sean wanted him dead more than they wanted u two dead

But those aren't your thoughts. We are pretty far from the Seanzie legacy at this point, the PoE has shifted dramatically. Kate's 'legacy' also didn't even really constitute much following the extension, see 'I haven't had time to play much in 24 hours.'

It just seems that you are hellbent on pushing these narratives without doing any of the validation work on your own end.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 12:53 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 11:57 am This is where I'm at:
Splints > Tutuu > Pyxxy > Porscha > Roxy > LC > Daisy > Falcon

Someone tell me why I'm incorrect.
What would I have gained from killing Kate?

I don't think that was you imo. However, I don't see a scenario where you say no to killing the townfirm at the request of a teammate.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 12:52 pm Sorry guys, my brain has been occupied elsewhere and am struggling to get back in atm

Can answer any questions to the best of my ability

I'm wishing you the best my friend.

I've recently done crosses between HK and everyone. If you could take a look at my ISO and review those and let me know what you think?

I'd like to also know what you think of Roxy rn.

This is where I'm at:
Splints > Tutuu > Pyxxy > Porscha > Roxy > LC > Daisy > Falcon

Someone tell me why I'm incorrect.

I still don't think it's LC. I keep going through Baker's interactions towards HK and I don't see it as aligned (and I'd be lying if I didn't mention that I really don't see W making a voting blunder like what we saw yesterday.)

Falcon's recent argument about Porscha makes sense and the more I think about it, the more it feels that Porscha is playing independently.

Splints is still widley unknown and seems not around, maybe if it's Splints/Porscha we'd see this independent nature?

Tutuu's lack of hunting and defeatist behavior during the extension last phase is bad. Even in asking Pyxxy about their self read and current thoughts there was nothing.

My read on Roxy is wavering. The lack of whim during the extension, as I said about Tutuu feels kinda bad. The progression on HK still makes sense from a T Roxy perspective, but it's not invalidating of W Roxy either. One of the bigger reasons I could more confidently TR Roxy was because of Splint's either pocket or soulread of T Roxy, but without Splints here that one becomes weaker.

Daisy I think is still a firm TR, though the line between Daisy/Porscha both being on Nook is weird.

My read on Pyxxy is wavering as well, and I'm near to putting them in the hard PoE over Porscha. Last phase they advised LC was town, and then immediately voted there this cycle. Tutuu/Pyxxy also not being W/W based on poll 1, could imply a W Pyxxy saving LC for today to just further go with T Tutuu's insistance on legacy.

Falcons just town.

@tutuu with how hard you've been arguing legacies, do you actually think W Lime Coke kills Kate which just continues your legacy arguments?

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:20 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:19 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:17 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:41 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 7:28 pm @pyxxy do you still scumread urself? do you logically think ur hk's most likely partner?
what in the unholy tomfoolery is this interaction even?
Yesterday pyxxy analyzed hk's iso and came to the conclusion that from among {pyxxy, wilgy, lime coke} (kates poe) - he came to the conclusion pyxxy is the most likely scum and argumented himself
I'm aware, but what is even the point of discussing this with pyxxy as if it has merit?

From pyxxy's perspective W or T, the arguments are moot. For your own solving you'd see this as moot as well, so what is the point?
I wanted to see his response

Fair enough I guess. Do you have any real opinions about Pyxxy?

Nooks wagon still doesn't seem like it should be pure in composition, and I'm still hard pressed to see W Daisy this game but I could be wrong. Falcon's recent argument pro Porscha makes sense.

I don't know what my brain was doing as I was making this note.

Should be:
Nooks wagon still doesn't seem like it should be pure in composition, and I would need to BE hard pressed to see W daisy this game if possible.

Falcon's recent argument pro Porscha makes sense and has me doubting my read. If there's a wolf on the wagon I still think it is Porscha, but idk anymore.

Nooks wagon still doesn't seem like it should be pure in composition, and I'm still hard pressed to see W Daisy this game but I could be wrong. Falcon's recent argument pro Porscha makes sense.

The fact that we have no data on the d1 cw is painful.

Pyxxy not W/W with Tutuu, Splints, or LC

LC not W/W with Tutuu, or Falcon

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:29 am In both rands neither of the players were online to self pres thats 4 out of 4. Lolz

I mean, if it wasn't for you screaming to the thread I'd never have caught that LC missed actually voting lol

D1:
Nanook 4
Voters: Belzy, Porscha, Spacedaisy, Caitlin

Pyxxy 4
Voters: tutuu, DrWilgy, Lime Coke, fingersplints

HK 2
Voters: Nanook, Seanzie

Tutuu 1
Voters: pyxxy

Kate 1
Voters: Roxy

Baker 1
Voters: falcon45ca

Not Voting 2
Voters: HK, Kate

D2:
Belzy 3
Voters: Wilgy, Roxy, Pyxxy

Lime Coke 3
Voters: Tutuu, Falcon, Kate

Tutuu 2
Voters: Daisy, Porscha

Splints 1
Voters: Lime Coke

Porscha 1
Voters: Belzy

Not Voting 0 (I'm pretty sure this is correct)

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:18 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:10 am @Zenon was D2 Poll saved?

If I recall correctly, it was:

Falcon, Kate, Tutuu on LC
Me, Roxy, LC on Belzy
Daisy, Porscha on Tutuu
Belzy on Porscha

anyone care to validate?
Im not sure about the belzy vote but everything else is right

Yeah, I mixed up Pyxxy and LC on this. Fixed poll drop inc.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:17 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:41 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 7:28 pm @pyxxy do you still scumread urself? do you logically think ur hk's most likely partner?
what in the unholy tomfoolery is this interaction even?
Yesterday pyxxy analyzed hk's iso and came to the conclusion that from among {pyxxy, wilgy, lime coke} (kates poe) - he came to the conclusion pyxxy is the most likely scum and argumented himself

I'm aware, but what is even the point of discussing this with pyxxy as if it has merit?

From pyxxy's perspective W or T, the arguments are moot. For your own solving you'd see this as moot as well, so what is the point?

@Zenon was D2 Poll saved?

If I recall correctly, it was:

Falcon, Kate, Tutuu on LC
Me, Roxy, LC on Belzy
Daisy, Porscha on Tutuu
Belzy on Porscha

anyone care to validate?

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 7:28 pm @pyxxy do you still scumread urself? do you logically think ur hk's most likely partner?

what in the unholy tomfoolery is this interaction even?

Also good morning.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:45 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 8:06 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 8:05 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 7:21 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

I still think Porscha is muffin and we need to discuss this.
Let's talk about it. What are your concerns? What's irkin' ya in their ISO?
I flat out think her trying to go against the Seanzie legacy, only to immediately start going after me anyways, wasn't a great look imo and should be scrutinized with as much fortitude as possible.
wait when did I go after you lol

Aye this.

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 6:09 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 6:00 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 5:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 5:50 pm Or we could vote in either Belzy or Porscha. A wolf in there still makes significantly more sense than you two still.
I don't think belzy is bad. I'm horrible at reading porscha but nothing is jumping off the page
Do you have any significant thoughts on the crosses I did?
I've had very little time to play in the last 24 hours, so unfortunately no.

That works then. Half felt you were saying I was wrong without saying why.

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 5:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 5:50 pm Or we could vote in either Belzy or Porscha. A wolf in there still makes significantly more sense than you two still.
I don't think belzy is bad. I'm horrible at reading porscha but nothing is jumping off the page

Do you have any significant thoughts on the crosses I did?

Or we could vote in either Belzy or Porscha. A wolf in there still makes significantly more sense than you two still.

Now that I've finished practicing my JJJ cross examinations. I take nap.

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

Should be back before EoD. Goodnight <3<3

*all game should be all day. Stating it's all game isn't fair.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:45 pm No it aint. Kate and Sean got us a wolf. Would be silly not to listen to their LC read

My friend, you've been playing musical chairs regarding town legacies all game swapping from one to another in ad nauseum. Where are YOUR reads? You've said I'm wolf 5 times now without anything behind it. It really starts to feel hollow when on loop.

Further, and I suppose this is just a minor thing that has my vibes working:

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:05 pm also wilgy was on hkatt and then he moved to pyxxy

This take feels disingenuous. As your framing a vote that had no impact as if it was a magical push to keep HK alive. I was on HK and HK was a fine vote, but they weren't going over.
HK was 2 to Nook 4. Nook had no right going over and I voted to save.

PoE is:
Belzy=Porscha>Tutuu>Splints

Could be wrong on:
Pyxxy>Roxy>Lime

Town:
Daisy=Kate=Falcon

HK/Tutuu

Tutuu side

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:54 pm i dunno hkatt's tells despite seeing him as both alignments multiple times so it'll be hard. same for kate

wilgy pyxxy nook falcon were the ppl i referred to as unreadable for me earlier. but now i decided im townreading falcon every game

i hope i can get a read on everyone else im not particularly worried i'll struggle. but i'll struggle a lot with those 6 5 names

HK hard to read

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:18 pm [VOTE: hkatt] aubergine

voting for the katt coz out of the people i couldnt find as town he has the most posts / impact as far as i can recall

Votes HK for inability to find vs postcount.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:19 pm god hkatt is so hard to read ive no idea how to read him

HK hard to read x2

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:52 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:54 pm catching up through p200 and all I learned was that Baker is a wolf.
im debating if i should continue trusting my baker townread or if i should townread hkatt here and trust him that baker is scummy. not sure whats the play

Baker suspicion based on HK's inquiry

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:53 pm u could argue that baker is scum whos going for the white knight town cait play

maybe the safest play is to take away that cait is more reinforced townread and hold off on reading baker and hkatt for now

HK hard to read x3

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:32 pm [VOTE: hkatt] aubergine

votes HK again

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:07 am Also pyxxy and hkatt not w/w i predict w pyxxy would bus hkatt here

Pyxxy HK not W/W

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:08 am tutuu
cait - obv town, tons of posting, frustrated at getting scumread by falcon
belzy - obv town, imo exhausting questions due to diligence due to being town
falcon - obv town, should always be townread, diligence, theres solving

daisy - i think her tone is rly towny; non-chalant; rejected a townread due tone
porscha - i think town due to being chill; porscha is prone to being perpetually anxious; as scum she'd struggle hiding it more
sean - i think town due to the normal town sean where he makes up some reads and lies about being confident about them. that's what he's done every single town game so no reason to doubt it. i havent seen him copy it as scum in the 2 scum games ive seen of him. i also thought that his thoughts were interesting on tutuu/cait/wilgy being w/w/w even tho its pretty off and pretty pepe silvia
roxy - just town due to tone, seems consistent with past town games, i dig her reads too

wilgy - i dunno how to read him
finger - i dunno how to read her
kate - i dunno how to read her this game
baker - i had some towny pings but a lot of ppl are expressing a scumread so i need to take baker out. potentially whiteknighted town!cait from town!falcon
nook - i dunno how to read him
hkatt - i dunno how to read him. similar to baker. gut i wanna say town but he seems pretty calm and cordial which is generally scummy especially for hkatt imo and also im taking into account the scumreads placed onto him so im rejecting my gut townread here

pyx - i think he saw the v/v wagons at hkatt and kate and didnt want the heat and placed vote onto v!daisy. daisy is obv town for me but she can also be not a too difficult mischop for mafia here as her townyness isnt shown in the standard / expected way of a town to show, its an easy vote to make on daisy here. i hated it

i personally dont think pyxxy is w/w with hkatt and w/w with kate, as i predict that pyxxy would be bussing them if he's mafia, as he loves bussing in general + recent game mafia bussed hardcore and stole a won game from town so he'd be biased to bus even more imo

HK hard to read x4. Positions HK lower on the rainbow where Pyxxy is W at the same time doesn't declare HK as T. This feels gross, as if HK's placement and explanation are both unnatural.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:08 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:05 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:02 am i think theres a good chance all 3 scum are wagoned which is rly funny i hope thats the case. well maybe 1-2 more realistically
Which 3 would be teamed then?

Or which 2?
i feel like pyx baker nook is one possibility for the team

kate and/or hkatt and/or 1 or 2 random poe members is another possibility

explains hk in PoE as a fill in for evolving poe I assume?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:33 pm If it comes down to it id vote kate over hkatt as i townread 3/3 on kate and 0/3 on hkatt

Would rly rly rly love for a pyxxy chop tho. Pls. Pyxxy is so delicious. We should eat him

HK pos 2 over Kate but under pyxxy.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:16 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:14 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 8:23 pm [VOTE: daisy] aubergine

@pyxxy lead the way
Why are we voting daisy. And also beware I'm on meds today. I have ouchies.
the n1 kill had daisy hkatt fsplint baker/lc in his poe. i dont care for a particular order, ive decided im voting in there. i saw daisy had an existing vote and pyxxy voted her yesterday so i decided why not

!! This is weird and I didn't catch this until now !!
During all of D1, HK was Tutuu's alternate to Pyxxy. However upon Seanzie flipping D2, Pyxxy isn't the go to, it's Daisy.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:38 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:26 pm About the only reason pyxxy would have killed seanzie there is to lock in the reads so that someone like you would absolutely sheep them
but pyxxy hasnt seen me be vocal about suggesting we sheep dead villagers, or has anyone else

thinking pyx is mafia is just overthinking it

me and sean were both consensus town, me a bit more

sean had pyx as top town. i had pyx as top scum

sean died. not me

ergo i think pyx should be town here. i was left alive to mischop pyx. since i was yelling a lot yesterday that pyx is mafia

This explanation was provided after voting for daisy, not HK.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:47 am tutuu
Caitlin
pyxxy
falcon45ca
Belzy
Spacedaisy

Porscha
Roxy

baker / Lime Coke
DrWilgy

hollowkatt
Kate
fingersplints

HK once again close to the bottom, but not there.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:49 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:48 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:47 pm this is the 2nd day phase in a row hkatt offers townreads on other slots in poe and offers no scumreads. idk if this is towny or not. he didnt vote yesterday too. just weird. im trying to think if it means anything

It means he's POE IMO
well yea he still is for me

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:50 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:48 pm both hkatt and fs ignored my question asking them what are their scumreads, if they have 3 ppl they suspect
ignoring questions is >rand scummy in my experience, no? well specifically benign / mundane questions like who is mafia etc

HK still PoE in spite of being 2nd d1.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:03 pm [VOTE: hkatt] aubergine

everyone is townreading everyone this is quite difficult

votes HK

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:33 pm well i think kate and hkatt are both town now. definitely hkatt

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:38 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:36 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:33 pm well i think kate and hkatt are both town now. definitely hkatt
Omg really??
people dont allow themselves to go that far as mafia. as town yeah, not as mafia. not that far

Pulls HK out of PoE re HK v Kate.

That's it actually, not as bad as I thought.

Conclusion:
Tutuu's approach to HK is gross and feels unnatural. HK was always for reasons put 2nd place in PoE and almost never put in first place. This was very blantant when Daisy was Tutuu's suspect over HK when Seanzie flipped, then splints/kate over HK. If HK ever took the spot as first, Tutuu would find a reason to change it.

HK's interactions towards Tutuu seems unaligned but Tutuu's actions towards HK seems very much aligned.

Would Yeet. Solid member of the PoE.

SPEAKING OF

HK/Tutuu

5 fluffy posts of HK interacting with Tutuu before getting into anything that could be deemed AI is either somewhat sketchy or the Tutuu effect.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:03 pm [VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

The team is Tutuu, Caitlin, Wilgy.
always spicy never boring

Calls Seanzie's initial take of Tutuu, Cait and I spicy. Seems encouraging of this team Seanzie put out.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:16 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:52 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:54 pm catching up through p200 and all I learned was that Baker is a wolf.
im debating if i should continue trusting my baker townread or if i should townread hkatt here and trust him that baker is scummy. not sure whats the play

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:53 pm u could argue that baker is scum whos going for the white knight town cait play

maybe the safest play is to take away that cait is more reinforced townread and hold off on reading baker and hkatt for now
I think it's safe to say there's minimum one wolf between baker, cait, and falcon

HK discusses wolves in baker, cait, falc to Tutuu while being unprompted.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:44 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:16 pm Hollowkatt and Nanook also realistically prob contains a mafia; both make a read once in a blue moon - usually without explanation - and also either aren't voting or still have their first vote out there

Looking at Nanook more here because Hollowkatt had a townier start. I feel like town!Nanook would have done more atp, whereas mafia!Nanook could just let this thread state be bad
Mostly D1 is about finding townies more than it is finding wolves. If I can find a list of people I don't want to kill then (assuming I'm not bassackwards) all I need to do is chop everyone else yeah?

atm I'm good with tutuu, they're obvs. Baker was a sussy baka during their catch up.
Seanzie I am withholding a read on. Mostly b/c he hasn't asked for one. I think you're probably town and if so Falcon/Baker look more sus b/c of the way they're pushing on you (lhf/fluffy basically) which when it's the bulk of the case either comes from a wolf or comes from someone who's not really grokking the game. Either way it's a place to look.

Belzy I think is also town.

Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:17 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:16 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:52 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:54 pm catching up through p200 and all I learned was that Baker is a wolf.
im debating if i should continue trusting my baker townread or if i should townread hkatt here and trust him that baker is scummy. not sure whats the play

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:53 pm u could argue that baker is scum whos going for the white knight town cait play

maybe the safest play is to take away that cait is more reinforced townread and hold off on reading baker and hkatt for now
I think it's safe to say there's minimum one wolf between baker, cait, and falcon
Blast this the moment there's an indication Baker & Falcon are TvT
why do you say that?

Gives an obvtown to Tutuu.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:54 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:03 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:27 pm Hmmmm, Kate eh?
Indeed

I don't rlly like how she's just sitting on the sidelines asking for a summary, without rlly trying to do any solving on her own. She's just... there
It’s funny, I was just thinking this as I am reading in my catch up. I think I’ll move my vote back to [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.

I am slightly leaning town on Cait, Falcon, tutuu, and Wilgy.

Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.

In the end I am more familiar with Kate and I originally voted her since she had one post and wanted to encourage her to post some more. But it doesn’t feel like there is effort there I expect from her. Don’t worry about catching up Kate it’s mostly just Day 1 antics and Falcon is the only one really building a case. Just jump in and play from here because it’s probably going to come down to your gut anyway.

Honestly, there isn’t much to base anything on so it’s the best I’ve got at the moment.

Anyway, those are my current thoughts. They aren’t really worth much.
mostly I'm used to carrying wagons early in the game so I don't typically pay much attention to them. Nanook is going to vote me and park there it's a thing he's done basically since our champs game last year. Tutuu had an opportunistic vote but the rest of their content has been super townie so I don't really care about that either. Wigly is random and does whatever he wants to do, again it's just kind of a thing that exists.
Finally there's Caitlin who is what I consider the only legit vote I'm carrying as her suspicion is at least explained and understandable.

ultimately it's a 4 vote wagon with one auto, one rando, one opportunistic, and one legit vote. Not a thing I'd actually concern myself with.

State's Tutuu's vote on them is opportunistic. Which is oddish. Generally we'd see that out of a W pushing T, but here it's towny opportunism.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:17 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:15 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:13 pm HKatt and Lime Coke look the worst on a quick glance

But Daisy & Fingersplints prob look the worst...? Scumreading one of them isn't the most common read, atleast
i think we should kill all 4

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:44 pm @Kate @hollowkatt hi friends i noticed u haven't voted yet, may i interest you in a fine old aged pyxxy vote straight from my family's vineyard? mmm the smell ... delicious ...
so I may have lost track of what day it was yesterday soz about that. Tutuu why did you want me to vote pyxxy?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:21 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:18 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:17 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:15 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:13 pm HKatt and Lime Coke look the worst on a quick glance

But Daisy & Fingersplints prob look the worst...? Scumreading one of them isn't the most common read, atleast
i think we should kill all 4

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:44 pm @Kate @hollowkatt hi friends i noticed u haven't voted yet, may i interest you in a fine old aged pyxxy vote straight from my family's vineyard? mmm the smell ... delicious ...
so I may have lost track of what day it was yesterday soz about that. Tutuu why did you want me to vote pyxxy?
i thought he's mafia but that was false alarm dw he's town
because of this:
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:10 pm ok cool pyx probably town coz he didnt kill me. i was left alive to mischop him probably

and/or daisy might be mafia. and/or fs. going with sean's reads. and/or baker/lc

[VOTE: daisy] aubergine
?

or is there something else you've found that you liked about them?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:26 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:24 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:21 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:18 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:17 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:15 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:13 pm HKatt and Lime Coke look the worst on a quick glance

But Daisy & Fingersplints prob look the worst...? Scumreading one of them isn't the most common read, atleast
i think we should kill all 4

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:44 pm @Kate @hollowkatt hi friends i noticed u haven't voted yet, may i interest you in a fine old aged pyxxy vote straight from my family's vineyard? mmm the smell ... delicious ...
so I may have lost track of what day it was yesterday soz about that. Tutuu why did you want me to vote pyxxy?
i thought he's mafia but that was false alarm dw he's town
because of this:
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:10 pm ok cool pyx probably town coz he didnt kill me. i was left alive to mischop him probably

and/or daisy might be mafia. and/or fs. going with sean's reads. and/or baker/lc

[VOTE: daisy] aubergine
?

or is there something else you've found that you liked about them?
its just that + sean had pyx as top town. time to sheep. pyx is lock town for me too now. no way he kills sean here only for me to chop him today, imo. i dunno it seems bad. much better for wolf pyx to kill me and have sean defend him. i dont think i was a bad n1 kill there considering ppls reads on me and my post count. but i was left alive coz my reads were all bad i think
About the only reason pyxxy would have killed seanzie there is to lock in the reads so that someone like you would absolutely sheep them. But you seem sincere and yesterday you were really townie so meh carry on

More interactions with Tutuu that appear to just be 'lets look like I'm hunting busy work'

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 11:21 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 11:03 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:26 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:24 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:21 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:18 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:17 pm

so I may have lost track of what day it was yesterday soz about that. Tutuu why did you want me to vote pyxxy?
i thought he's mafia but that was false alarm dw he's town
because of this:
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:10 pm ok cool pyx probably town coz he didnt kill me. i was left alive to mischop him probably

and/or daisy might be mafia. and/or fs. going with sean's reads. and/or baker/lc

[VOTE: daisy] aubergine
?

or is there something else you've found that you liked about them?
its just that + sean had pyx as top town. time to sheep. pyx is lock town for me too now. no way he kills sean here only for me to chop him today, imo. i dunno it seems bad. much better for wolf pyx to kill me and have sean defend him. i dont think i was a bad n1 kill there considering ppls reads on me and my post count. but i was left alive coz my reads were all bad i think
About the only reason pyxxy would have killed seanzie there is to lock in the reads so that someone like you would absolutely sheep them. But you seem sincere and yesterday you were really townie so meh carry on
I disagree. Im not at all convinced tutuu is sincere. She went from having me lockdown to being the first of Seanzie’s reads she would NK? I don’t believe it.
ok maybe sincere is the wrong word to use here, maybe the right wording is "seems to believe what they're saying" now as to whether or not what they're saying has any legitimacy remains to be seen and I said as much when I talked about how straight up sheeping the reads list ain't a great call until/unless we see some outlier results on that list and then we can re-evaluate.

I get what Tutuu is doing I'm just not sure I agree with how they've gotten themselves to where they are but they seem earnest in the way that they're presenting it.

TR's Tutuu while 'disagreeing' with the outcome.

Going to split this one into two and do Tutuu's side on an independant post because there's like 200 pages in that ISO and I'm scared.

Conclusion so far:
It seems that HK was in effort to pocket Tutuu. Even when HK's stances and position wasn't in agreement with Tutuu, there was never a point where HK took direct opposition to Tutuu and always seemed to be encouraging them even when unprompted. With this in mind, declaring Tutuu's vote opportunistic and not pushing them for it makes sense. It's more of the same of HK pocketing Tutuu, and I think they slipped up there. A good look for Tutuu.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:42 pm Wilgy doesnt seem happy about hkatt dying. Hes mafia

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FOILED AGAIN BY THE MAGNIFICENT TUTUU

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:49 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:47 pm Wilg made a very good case on me, based on d1, I look really bad. On d2 I was willing to lynch HK tho and tried to get the attention back to him. I hope Porscha is wolf and we lynch here.
I am at the point to do something I have never done in a game - sheeping.
I am going to sheep Wigly this day until I can feel this game again.

plz no, this is a terrible plan.

ebwop: HK's interactions towards Daisy scream W petitioning Non-Teammate. W HK doesn't need to make that post detailing their own wagon to W Daisy, teammate Daisy would have been better to hear it from someone else and use that as posture.

HK/Daisy

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:08 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:53 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:14 pm maybe we should policy chop the worst player in this game
I volunteer as tribute. I suck.

Also, I just ate a loaded mashed potato bowl for dinner and it was delicious. That is all.
town

HK gives Daisy a tr.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:54 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:03 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:27 pm Hmmmm, Kate eh?
Indeed

I don't rlly like how she's just sitting on the sidelines asking for a summary, without rlly trying to do any solving on her own. She's just... there
It’s funny, I was just thinking this as I am reading in my catch up. I think I’ll move my vote back to [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.

I am slightly leaning town on Cait, Falcon, tutuu, and Wilgy.

Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.

In the end I am more familiar with Kate and I originally voted her since she had one post and wanted to encourage her to post some more. But it doesn’t feel like there is effort there I expect from her. Don’t worry about catching up Kate it’s mostly just Day 1 antics and Falcon is the only one really building a case. Just jump in and play from here because it’s probably going to come down to your gut anyway.

Honestly, there isn’t much to base anything on so it’s the best I’ve got at the moment.

Anyway, those are my current thoughts. They aren’t really worth much.
mostly I'm used to carrying wagons early in the game so I don't typically pay much attention to them. Nanook is going to vote me and park there it's a thing he's done basically since our champs game last year. Tutuu had an opportunistic vote but the rest of their content has been super townie so I don't really care about that either. Wigly is random and does whatever he wants to do, again it's just kind of a thing that exists.
Finally there's Caitlin who is what I consider the only legit vote I'm carrying as her suspicion is at least explained and understandable.

ultimately it's a 4 vote wagon with one auto, one rando, one opportunistic, and one legit vote. Not a thing I'd actually concern myself with.

Expresses why they are being voted to Daisy. Somewhat of a vibe here, but this doesn't FEEL like a W talking to a teammate, rather a W petitioning for towny points.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:21 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:18 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:17 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:15 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:13 pm HKatt and Lime Coke look the worst on a quick glance

But Daisy & Fingersplints prob look the worst...? Scumreading one of them isn't the most common read, atleast
i think we should kill all 4

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:44 pm @Kate @hollowkatt hi friends i noticed u haven't voted yet, may i interest you in a fine old aged pyxxy vote straight from my family's vineyard? mmm the smell ... delicious ...
so I may have lost track of what day it was yesterday soz about that. Tutuu why did you want me to vote pyxxy?
i thought he's mafia but that was false alarm dw he's town
because of this:
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:10 pm ok cool pyx probably town coz he didnt kill me. i was left alive to mischop him probably

and/or daisy might be mafia. and/or fs. going with sean's reads. and/or baker/lc

[VOTE: daisy] aubergine
?

or is there something else you've found that you liked about them?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 11:17 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:38 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:26 pm About the only reason pyxxy would have killed seanzie there is to lock in the reads so that someone like you would absolutely sheep them
but pyxxy hasnt seen me be vocal about suggesting we sheep dead villagers, or has anyone else

thinking pyx is mafia is just overthinking it

me and sean were both consensus town, me a bit more

sean had pyx as top town. i had pyx as top scum

sean died. not me

ergo i think pyx should be town here. i was left alive to mischop pyx. since i was yelling a lot yesterday that pyx is mafia
kewl good talk lets regroup tomorrow unless ur dead.
So why daisy?

Quite abit of inquiry towards Tutuu on Daisy.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 11:24 pm what if I do this: Spacedaisy is town

provides a tr.

Daisy side:

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:03 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:27 pm Hmmmm, Kate eh?
Indeed

I don't rlly like how she's just sitting on the sidelines asking for a summary, without rlly trying to do any solving on her own. She's just... there
It’s funny, I was just thinking this as I am reading in my catch up. I think I’ll move my vote back to [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.

I am slightly leaning town on Cait, Falcon, tutuu, and Wilgy.

Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.

In the end I am more familiar with Kate and I originally voted her since she had one post and wanted to encourage her to post some more. But it doesn’t feel like there is effort there I expect from her. Don’t worry about catching up Kate it’s mostly just Day 1 antics and Falcon is the only one really building a case. Just jump in and play from here because it’s probably going to come down to your gut anyway.

Honestly, there isn’t much to base anything on so it’s the best I’ve got at the moment.

Anyway, those are my current thoughts. They aren’t really worth much.

Expresses uncertainty towards HK

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:57 pm They have posted but not really reacted to the fact they’ve had votes on them from the jump and now are the lead wagon. I’d at least say something about it if I were in that position. Saying nothing looks fishy to me. A bit like, if I don’t move maybe they won’t notice me.

Has someone built an actual case for HK that just didn’t stick with me and I should revisit? Why did they end up with so many votes?

Questions the HK wagon's existence.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:10 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:36 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:12 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:50 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:53 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:08 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:03 pm Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.
What response...? I don't think they have replied? And they are being voted because they tried to force the lynch in me, Baker and Falcon, without much explanation
My point exactly

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:57 pm They have posted but not really reacted to the fact they’ve had votes on them from the jump and now are the lead wagon. I’d at least say something about it if I were in that position. Saying nothing looks fishy to me. A bit like, if I don’t move maybe they won’t notice me.

Has someone built an actual case for HK that just didn’t stick with me and I should revisit? Why did they end up with so many votes?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:05 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:54 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:03 pm

It’s funny, I was just thinking this as I am reading in my catch up. I think I’ll move my vote back to [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.

I am slightly leaning town on Cait, Falcon, tutuu, and Wilgy.

Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.

In the end I am more familiar with Kate and I originally voted her since she had one post and wanted to encourage her to post some more. But it doesn’t feel like there is effort there I expect from her. Don’t worry about catching up Kate it’s mostly just Day 1 antics and Falcon is the only one really building a case. Just jump in and play from here because it’s probably going to come down to your gut anyway.

Honestly, there isn’t much to base anything on so it’s the best I’ve got at the moment.

Anyway, those are my current thoughts. They aren’t really worth much.
mostly I'm used to carrying wagons early in the game so I don't typically pay much attention to them. Nanook is going to vote me and park there it's a thing he's done basically since our champs game last year. Tutuu had an opportunistic vote but the rest of their content has been super townie so I don't really care about that either. Wigly is random and does whatever he wants to do, again it's just kind of a thing that exists.
Finally there's Caitlin who is what I consider the only legit vote I'm carrying as her suspicion is at least explained and understandable.

ultimately it's a 4 vote wagon with one auto, one rando, one opportunistic, and one legit vote. Not a thing I'd actually concern myself with.
Fair enough.
I want more than "Fair enough." after the biggest opinion you've had yet gets deflated live right before your eyes.

[VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine

I acknowledge that this is maybe an unfair expectation.
God this is such a wolf post imo

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
Eh, I actually politely disagree, I thought Pyxxy made a good point against Space Daisy here. Daisy's posts could easily have come from a wolf looking for a reason to support a wagon on a townie, and then when HK responded with some meh meh meh meh, Daisy didn't see it as meh, and instead said "oh, I shouldn't push there because HK is cognizent/fighting back". Daisy felt like they didn't actually want to engage with HK.
What no one is considering here is that I play more intuitively. So when I get a response that, on its surface, feels rational but I don’t know how I feel over all, I want to step back. Add to that the fact what I was saying was essentially, “people dumped votes on hk and I didn’t feel like I remember them responding much in any substantial way. That’s weird. Also why are they dumping votes on hk?” Obviously, I already was unsure about the situation overall.

Regardless of that, my first gut reaction to pyxxy’s response to me was that it was an odd reaction. See, I knew when I posted it that it was going to get me suspicion but the reason I expected it to is not what pyxxy said. I voted for Kate but primarily talked about hk. I know the reason I did that is because I’m a stream of consciousness kind of poster and I was actively trying to sort through how I felt about the hk wagon. But to anyone who doesn’t think like I do (most of the world probably) it should look suspicious. Pyxxy didn’t point that out though.

Seanzie’s response to my post feels town to me. Pyxxy’s doesn’t. I’m struggling to identify why but I think it’s because Seanzie immediately looked at it and clearly said, this is suspicious because it looks like a wolf looking for an easy target. Thus assumes hk’s alignment. Pyxxy didn’t say anything about hk’s alignment. as I was reading the exchange between tutuu/belly/pyxxy I realized it felt like I was being set up to look like hk’s partner when they flipped. So I think what it comes down to is Seanzie’s handling of my post and pyxxy’s handling of my post feel very different to me.

My only fear here is Seanzie assuming hk’s innocence because of TMI. But again, his handling feels very down so I’m going with my gut on this one. I don’t think Seanzie and pyxxy are both town and I am leaning Seanzie town, pyxxy wolf.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:25 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:18 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:50 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:53 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:08 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:03 pm Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.
What response...? I don't think they have replied? And they are being voted because they tried to force the lynch in me, Baker and Falcon, without much explanation
My point exactly

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:57 pm They have posted but not really reacted to the fact they’ve had votes on them from the jump and now are the lead wagon. I’d at least say something about it if I were in that position. Saying nothing looks fishy to me. A bit like, if I don’t move maybe they won’t notice me.

Has someone built an actual case for HK that just didn’t stick with me and I should revisit? Why did they end up with so many votes?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:05 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:54 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:03 pm

It’s funny, I was just thinking this as I am reading in my catch up. I think I’ll move my vote back to [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.

I am slightly leaning town on Cait, Falcon, tutuu, and Wilgy.

Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.

In the end I am more familiar with Kate and I originally voted her since she had one post and wanted to encourage her to post some more. But it doesn’t feel like there is effort there I expect from her. Don’t worry about catching up Kate it’s mostly just Day 1 antics and Falcon is the only one really building a case. Just jump in and play from here because it’s probably going to come down to your gut anyway.

Honestly, there isn’t much to base anything on so it’s the best I’ve got at the moment.

Anyway, those are my current thoughts. They aren’t really worth much.
mostly I'm used to carrying wagons early in the game so I don't typically pay much attention to them. Nanook is going to vote me and park there it's a thing he's done basically since our champs game last year. Tutuu had an opportunistic vote but the rest of their content has been super townie so I don't really care about that either. Wigly is random and does whatever he wants to do, again it's just kind of a thing that exists.
Finally there's Caitlin who is what I consider the only legit vote I'm carrying as her suspicion is at least explained and understandable.

ultimately it's a 4 vote wagon with one auto, one rando, one opportunistic, and one legit vote. Not a thing I'd actually concern myself with.
Fair enough.
I want more than "Fair enough." after the biggest opinion you've had yet gets deflated live right before your eyes.

[VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine

I acknowledge that this is maybe an unfair expectation.
Fair enough = I am unsure how I feel about the response, but it felt reasonable.
If you had to GTH HK right now, what would you say?
GTH after all that, wolf. But it’s very much dependent upon how I’m feeling about pyxxy’s treatment of them/me and I would need to ISO them to move my vote there.

GTH's HK as wolf.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:22 pm Ugh, after reading hk ISO like they are suspicious. I feel like they are null and possibly slight town lean.

I’m moving my vote to [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

Wolves don’t want to narrow the PoE. Pyxxy’s lack of comment regarding hk in all this feels ick to me. I just can’t decide if it’s because hk is teammate or hk is civ and pyxxy wants to keep them on the table as a viable future wagon for them to hop on.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:24 pm EBWOP: Ugh, after reading hk ISO I don’t feel like they are suspicious. I feel like they are null and possibly slight town lean.

Moves HK to a null to townlean, but this appears to be heavily influcened by a suspicion on Pyxxy.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:41 pm Current reads
Cait
Seanzie
Roxy
Belzy

Tutuu

baker
Porscha
Falcon
Fingersplints
Wilgy
HK

Kate
Nook

Pyxxy

I need to sort out how I feel about those middle people more.

HK low in rainbow

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 3:01 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:56 pm @Spacedaisy I scumread you because you had your worldview clearly shaked but provided no insight into where you would go next

now with your re-entrance you've just decided to OMGUS me for nonsense reasons

tf you mean "Pyxxy’s lack of comment regarding hk in all this feels ick to me."

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:51 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:07 am Also pyxxy and hkatt not w/w i predict w pyxxy would bus hkatt here
tutuu don't take this the wrong way but I almost feel like this post TMIs hollowkatt as town

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:56 am oooo that catchup was kinda fun

I would do a deal with y'all @Belzy and @tutuu

if you chop me today and I flip scum then you have to assume that hollowkatt is town for the rest of the game

no ifs ands or butts
hollowkatt is lhf town in my book

you tried to distance from tutuu's townread on you which I would find towny

except

apparently you have no thoughts about how you and tutuu both have me as dark red confirmed scum?
The first one is a condemnation of tutuu, any declaration of hk is dependent upon tutuu being bad. The second is a load of WIFOM where you are claiming wolf and there is nothing there to give us anything about what you really think about hk.

Further expressing how the interactions/suspicion of Pyxxy's posts are highly interactive with HK.

./break

Conclusion:
HK's interactions towards Daisy scream W petitioning Teammate. W HK doesn't need to make that post detailing their own wagon to W Daisy, teammate Daisy would have been better to hear it from someone else and use that as posture.

Daisy's side of the interactions feel like there's genuine solving towards HK's slot while taking into account the other postures and positions.

Based strictly on interaction Daisy is not townfirmed but far from PoE. HK's angle almost gets me there.

Based on previous reads and interaction together, tomfoolery would need to happen for Daisy to reenter my PoE.

HK/Roxy

Nothin about Rox on HK's side.

Roxy side:

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 8:45 am Not digging hk or nooks vibe fyi

A scumlean vibe check on HK

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:41 am Guys - can we NOT call Lime Coke LC??? Please on this site LC is one of the original members and he and his wife gave us some of the greatest games to ever be played on this site. Can we leave his nickname for him alone?
Just asking not insisting only because I think LC and BR deserve to have their names retired much the same way they retire numbers in/on sports teams.

baker / Lime Coke - still bad

Belzy - probs town

Caitlin - unsure probs town seems to be trying too hard imo and it's giving me bad vibes

DrWilgy - town

falcon45ca - town

fingersplints - town hope am not getting burnt again

hollowkatt - unsure

Kate - is bad

Porscha - did not like the comment only caught up a couple of pages and pyx is bad - nah you bad.

pyxxy - feels towny enough

Spacedaisy - is towning it up

tutuu bending over backwards to seem towny makes me want to read them bad so they are probs town.

Marks HK as unsure, but seems that HK is in Roxy's PoE of 5. Good cookie points.

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:00 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:53 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:39 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:23 am if Belzy is W, as Porscha/Belzy are likely not W/W, the world where Pyxxy is W reopens.
Belzy is V, so lets say pyxxy is V too then.

Porscha W? Maybe... what about Kate, HK,...
Pretty much. I've stated this previously, but I'd think both T Kate and HK would have more visible signs and efforts of hunting. If that's not possible because of other ongoing, fine, but we need to get there eventually.

If we can provide the time for them to town tell, then cool, but I'll not weep if we throw them over. My concern is that do we really think both of these null to sr slots are actually wolves? Do we honestly think we just have two sleepy wolves in them both?
I cannot read HKatt but kate if she doesn't Kate it up she will be getting my vote.

Expresses uncertainty on HK read.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:38 pm Lime Coke - idk
Belzy - probs town
Caitlin - idk the vibe is off
DrWilgy - probs town
falcon45ca - probs town
fingersplints - cannot trust my self so idk
hollowkatt - probs town
Kate - is bad
Porscha - idk
pyxxy - probs town
Spacedaisy - probs town
tutuu - feels off and all over the place could be bad

I may have backed off slightly yesterday but you people are too easily fooled and I really cannot back down today.

sorry Kate <3 you know I love ya but you be bad.

I see no reason to put off my vote any longer bc my mind will not change.

Vote Kate

Moves HK to townlean

Conclusion
There's nothing here to invalidate the team of Roxy/HK. It seems that Roxy's read of HK started w vibe, moved to uncertainty and then to town, however, it also appears that Roxy's read of HK was derived from their suspicion of Kate. Roxy's suspicion of Kate even on reskim FEELS genuine and I don't know if W Roxy would take the stances against Kate that were taken.

Roxy's progression I think makes sense. Wouldn't yeet but wouldn't call townfirmed.

HK/Pyxxy

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:17 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:15 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:13 pm HKatt and Lime Coke look the worst on a quick glance

But Daisy & Fingersplints prob look the worst...? Scumreading one of them isn't the most common read, atleast
i think we should kill all 4

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:44 pm @Kate @hollowkatt hi friends i noticed u haven't voted yet, may i interest you in a fine old aged pyxxy vote straight from my family's vineyard? mmm the smell ... delicious ...
so I may have lost track of what day it was yesterday soz about that. Tutuu why did you want me to vote pyxxy?

Inquires Tutuu about Pyxxy

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:26 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:24 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:21 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:18 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:17 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:15 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:13 pm HKatt and Lime Coke look the worst on a quick glance

But Daisy & Fingersplints prob look the worst...? Scumreading one of them isn't the most common read, atleast
i think we should kill all 4

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:44 pm @Kate @hollowkatt hi friends i noticed u haven't voted yet, may i interest you in a fine old aged pyxxy vote straight from my family's vineyard? mmm the smell ... delicious ...
so I may have lost track of what day it was yesterday soz about that. Tutuu why did you want me to vote pyxxy?
i thought he's mafia but that was false alarm dw he's town
because of this:
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:10 pm ok cool pyx probably town coz he didnt kill me. i was left alive to mischop him probably

and/or daisy might be mafia. and/or fs. going with sean's reads. and/or baker/lc

[VOTE: daisy] aubergine
?

or is there something else you've found that you liked about them?
its just that + sean had pyx as top town. time to sheep. pyx is lock town for me too now. no way he kills sean here only for me to chop him today, imo. i dunno it seems bad. much better for wolf pyx to kill me and have sean defend him. i dont think i was a bad n1 kill there considering ppls reads on me and my post count. but i was left alive coz my reads were all bad i think
About the only reason pyxxy would have killed seanzie there is to lock in the reads so that someone like you would absolutely sheep them. But you seem sincere and yesterday you were really townie so meh carry on

Removes Pyxxy as an option.

Pyxxy side:

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:51 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:07 am Also pyxxy and hkatt not w/w i predict w pyxxy would bus hkatt here
tutuu don't take this the wrong way but I almost feel like this post TMIs hollowkatt as town

Implies T TMI of Tutuu on HK

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:56 am oooo that catchup was kinda fun

I would do a deal with y'all @Belzy and @tutuu

if you chop me today and I flip scum then you have to assume that hollowkatt is town for the rest of the game

no ifs ands or butts

Weird, but I'm not sure what to make of it. Does a W think they can get their teammate through the game by 'making a deal' with people?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:56 pm @Spacedaisy I scumread you because you had your worldview clearly shaked but provided no insight into where you would go next

now with your re-entrance you've just decided to OMGUS me for nonsense reasons

tf you mean "Pyxxy’s lack of comment regarding hk in all this feels ick to me."

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:51 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:07 am Also pyxxy and hkatt not w/w i predict w pyxxy would bus hkatt here
tutuu don't take this the wrong way but I almost feel like this post TMIs hollowkatt as town

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:56 am oooo that catchup was kinda fun

I would do a deal with y'all @Belzy and @tutuu

if you chop me today and I flip scum then you have to assume that hollowkatt is town for the rest of the game

no ifs ands or butts
hollowkatt is lhf town in my book

you tried to distance from tutuu's townread on you which I would find towny

except

apparently you have no thoughts about how you and tutuu both have me as dark red confirmed scum?

HK deemed lhf T

Conclusion:
HK looks like a wolf trying to look for an angle on Pyxxy when asking Tutuu about them > into > Dropping the pyxxy push, which seems like a good look. I don't think W HK inquires specifically about a teammate who had momentum at the time of the ask as seen, only to close them from the PoE and closing teammate interactions based on a town's legacy.

However, the Pyxxy side is not a great look. Pyxxy defended HK from the everpresent Daisy threat and I can't make heads or tails of the 'remove hk from poe' schtick if 'I flip W'.

T Pyxxy would be implying 'when you see who I am, make sure HK is still on the table'
W Pyxxy would be implying 'look at how non teamed we are' but that's seemingly based on nothing.

It's weird. The weirdness makes me thing that this is in the yellow realm of middling. Wouldn't be a go to yeet, but I acknowledge I can't really make heads of it.

Taking a break.

Need to finish Pyxxy, Roxy, Daisy, and Tutuu.

PoE as it stands is Belzy/Porscha/Splints. Keeping this to three would be optimal.

HK/Porscha

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:56 pm porscha can have a town lean, as a treat.

HK provides Porscha a TR

Donezo

Porscha side:

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 7:13 pm [VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine

Sorry for the rand

Opened the game with apologizing for HK's rand.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:57 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:16 pm Hollowkatt and Nanook also realistically prob contains a mafia; both make a read once in a blue moon - usually without explanation - and also either aren't voting or still have their first vote out there

Looking at Nanook more here because Hollowkatt had a townier start. I feel like town!Nanook would have done more atp, whereas mafia!Nanook could just let this thread state be bad
me no vote either tho

Advises against voting both HK and Nook

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:18 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:54 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:03 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:27 pm Hmmmm, Kate eh?
Indeed

I don't rlly like how she's just sitting on the sidelines asking for a summary, without rlly trying to do any solving on her own. She's just... there
It’s funny, I was just thinking this as I am reading in my catch up. I think I’ll move my vote back to [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.

I am slightly leaning town on Cait, Falcon, tutuu, and Wilgy.

Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.

In the end I am more familiar with Kate and I originally voted her since she had one post and wanted to encourage her to post some more. But it doesn’t feel like there is effort there I expect from her. Don’t worry about catching up Kate it’s mostly just Day 1 antics and Falcon is the only one really building a case. Just jump in and play from here because it’s probably going to come down to your gut anyway.

Honestly, there isn’t much to base anything on so it’s the best I’ve got at the moment.

Anyway, those are my current thoughts. They aren’t really worth much.
mostly I'm used to carrying wagons early in the game so I don't typically pay much attention to them. Nanook is going to vote me and park there it's a thing he's done basically since our champs game last year. Tutuu had an opportunistic vote but the rest of their content has been super townie so I don't really care about that either. Wigly is random and does whatever he wants to do, again it's just kind of a thing that exists.
Finally there's Caitlin who is what I consider the only legit vote I'm carrying as her suspicion is at least explained and understandable.

ultimately it's a 4 vote wagon with one auto, one rando, one opportunistic, and one legit vote. Not a thing I'd actually concern myself with.
can confirm this

Validates HK's response to Daisy and HK's thoughts on their wagon

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 4:05 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 4:03 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:37 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:40 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 3:26 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 3:10 am This game has big "Clem breaks his streak of playing well" vibes uwu
why do you say that
The vibes
what about them
They have "Clem breaks his streak of playing well" energy.

I can fix that for you

[VOTE: NanookTheWolf] aubergine

Votes Nook to 2 when HK was at 3. Meh.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:33 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:31 pm nah instead I'm gonna double down. don't tell me to fucking relax it's not your fucking place.
uh oh who pressed the hk is town button

Responds to HK v Kate with a tr.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:15 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:10 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:51 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:48 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:23 pm 7 out of 13 players are currently not voting
5 out of 13 players never voted at all today their name isnt in the poll

would help guys to have people pushing each other more, voting and stuff. solidify the game and stuff. make the mafia squirm. right now they're chilling. altho i have no idea which wolf to push myself but im hoping maybe u guys do
tag 'em

is my opinion
Can you unvote me pls
but then how will I pull off a believable progression onto kate near EOD tomorrow
Just take your vote off me and start scum reading kate for scum reading HK or something idk

A push towards Kate over HK during the whole Kate V HK thing.

Donezozo.

Conclusion:
HK's side had minimal data but was pro Porscha. Porscha assisted in putting a wagon that saved HK into existence and seemed to be HK sided for a majority of the game. I get hung up on wondering does Porscha apologize to teammate HK for the rand at the very start of the game, but it's probably NAI.

Porscha stays in the PoE.

Skipping Kate. That'd be some wild theater if W/W to the point of this possibility not being worth exploring.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

HK/Splints

HK didn't interact with Splints

Splints didn't interact with HK

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

HK/Falcon

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:16 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:52 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:54 pm catching up through p200 and all I learned was that Baker is a wolf.
im debating if i should continue trusting my baker townread or if i should townread hkatt here and trust him that baker is scummy. not sure whats the play

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:53 pm u could argue that baker is scum whos going for the white knight town cait play

maybe the safest play is to take away that cait is more reinforced townread and hold off on reading baker and hkatt for now
I think it's safe to say there's minimum one wolf between baker, cait, and falcon

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:44 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:16 pm Hollowkatt and Nanook also realistically prob contains a mafia; both make a read once in a blue moon - usually without explanation - and also either aren't voting or still have their first vote out there

Looking at Nanook more here because Hollowkatt had a townier start. I feel like town!Nanook would have done more atp, whereas mafia!Nanook could just let this thread state be bad
Mostly D1 is about finding townies more than it is finding wolves. If I can find a list of people I don't want to kill then (assuming I'm not bassackwards) all I need to do is chop everyone else yeah?

atm I'm good with tutuu, they're obvs. Baker was a sussy baka during their catch up.
Seanzie I am withholding a read on. Mostly b/c he hasn't asked for one. I think you're probably town and if so Falcon/Baker look more sus b/c of the way they're pushing on you (lhf/fluffy basically) which when it's the bulk of the case either comes from a wolf or comes from someone who's not really grokking the game. Either way it's a place to look.

Belzy I think is also town.

Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:17 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:16 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:52 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:54 pm catching up through p200 and all I learned was that Baker is a wolf.
im debating if i should continue trusting my baker townread or if i should townread hkatt here and trust him that baker is scummy. not sure whats the play

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:53 pm u could argue that baker is scum whos going for the white knight town cait play

maybe the safest play is to take away that cait is more reinforced townread and hold off on reading baker and hkatt for now
I think it's safe to say there's minimum one wolf between baker, cait, and falcon
Blast this the moment there's an indication Baker & Falcon are TvT
why do you say that?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:47 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:19 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:17 pm Blast this the moment there's an indication Baker & Falcon are TvT
It's funny because from my PoV, Hollowkatt now has made a situation where the 'atleast one wolf' does apply, but with Hollowkatt included, because if there's 3 townies then Hollowkatt looks very bad over it

An uncalled for 'has to be a mafia in it' isn't a very good look when it's on 3 townies after all-

So Hollowkatt, you better come with a very good explanation to avoid being the D1 elim~
I said that because it's been a focus from falcon/baker for a hot minute and if they're wrong they're pushing you for what I feel are flimsy reasons indicating there may be a wolf behind the push. I lumped you in there because you're the one they're focusing on.
What makes you think all three of you are town to the point where you'd instagib me? like that's pretty damn confident.

HK details the Falc/Baker/Caitlin trifecta.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:19 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:56 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:20 pm youre on my home turf. i'm more of a weirdo here because players on syndicate are better at reading people than people on mu are, so I'm much less likely to get sr'd for being a clown here, where I feel more comfortable
Oh hm, that's interesting. Seems like I'm even more out of place then with overall pretty bad reads haha
But hopefully that means this game will be easier if ppl tend to be correct more
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:44 pm why do you say that?
Because you implied there HAS to be a wolf in us, so if me, Falcon and Baker are all town, that's just very opportunistic. Your explanation on why Falcon & Baker are sus however was pretty satisfying, so I'll prob move my vote once I'm catched up
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:47 pm What makes you think all three of you are town to the point where you'd instagib me? like that's pretty damn confident.
I'm not confident? I even said that I wasn't sure both are town multiple times. How does that imply I'm confident...?
because you straight up said "if Falcon/Baker smells like TvT blast HK immediately" which to me says you've got some level of confidence there

Worth theorizing that Caitlin's ideas of if Falc/Baker TvT blast HK also means if HK gets Blasted Falcon/Baker TvT.

Falcon Side:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:20 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:19 pm god hkatt is so hard to read ive no idea how to read him

IME, his reads are a bit more...graspy? when he's Maf

META commentary on HK.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:49 pm Kate, HK & FS are fine wagons for this RD

HK included in what I think to be a good PoE d1.

That's about it boss

Conclusion: It looks decent enough for Falcon. If I'm just talking about interactions this is not townclearing, but plenty to look like there was not alot of teammate agenda going on.
The more I look at HK's callout of a wolf in Baker/Falcon/Cait, the more I see it as wolf just pushing townies.

When I add these interactions to my prior Falcon read, this lad doesn't belong in the PoE pretty much ever.

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