The Syndicate

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:31 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:24 pm This one is separate as personal knowledge results in this potentially being less valid to external persons. A review of early d3 votes and only functions in comparison to the previous vote patterns:
Dennis 3
Voters: lucy, Neon, Scrappy Doo
DrWilgy 4
Voters: hollowkatt, Creature, falcon45ca, Le petit poussin
Kate 3
Voters: sig, RondoDimBuckle, Fish
lucy 2
Voters: Dennis, Kate
HK, Creature, Falcon and LPP on me most likely points to the wolf on my wagon being HK just based on the previous observations. This does add a badvote weight to LPP, Creature and Falcon, HOWEVER As how I've been playing, I don't believe that badvote weight should be very heavy without other observations on how these players actually interacted with the fruit I've plated for them.

Dennis being at three with bad voter Lucy/Neon and null Scrappy does not fill me with confidence. If the argument that I'm at least now seeing from DoO/Lucy are the reason for this, why not just vote Kate?

Kate wagon. Sig being on here makes me wonder if they've noticed the tension between them and Kate re Seanzie. Odd that Kate isn't on Sig in return. Kate's wagon is much more null in weight than Dennis.

Lucy wagon. Dennis has slightly towny weight, Kate has slightly wolfy weight. Again more votes on the 3p serving as a neutral vote bed.
what had you done that makes you obvs town at the time this vote count was taken? You say "x being on me is bad votes" and sure I expect everyone in this game to say that but from the perspective of your voters, at least me anyways, you have been utterly underwhelming in a way I do not associate with town wigly and generally speaking when someone seems underwhelming while still playing the game there's a reason for that that is tied to their alignment or role.

for example dunya was underwhelming to me when I read their ISO and then didn't participate in D2 at all. Rask subs into the slot and gives it new life with new solving and new eyes on the thread turning the slot from incredibly underwhelming to very much whelming. I like whelming slots, I dislike underwhelming slots.

This is exactly as to why I said 'as personal knowledge results in this potentially being less valid to external persons.' This analysis was mostly for myself and for if I flip, one can take and attempt to use the data I've proffered.

Underwhelming is but one of many things that I am good at being HK, but me being underwhelming is not AI my friend. You should know this one by now.

Also you've done the same thing that I got snarky at DoO and Sig for. Why do you focus on the work that is prefaced with being more faulty than the other data I provided?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:16 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:11 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:38 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:13 pm Alright @sig, at least DoO replied to it, but you called my bias review and explanation bad while not interacting with the actual VCA I did. You then were called out on this and then you went to post afew more times without actually doing so.
Well I think it’s odd you ignored lucy voters for one thing.

I also don’t think VCA works until we have flips it kinda just seems like you’re attempting to create content and be active without saying much.

on the flip side I think you’re right on Dennis and Kate. So I’d not want to see you voted off over the next two phases.
we do have flips though, we have plenty of greens and knowledge of who voted those greens. Realizing that 5 people being 'wrong' is weird and weighing that is very important.

RE ignored Lucy voters, what do you mean? As you see I was a Lucy voter. Lucy is unflipped and doesn't have nearly as much of a weight due to self preservation. What little voteweight Lucy has is shared with Dennis for the d1 badvotes.

Dunya voters also have somewhat less data because Dunya is still unflipped AND the onlything adding value to that wagon in isolation is that Mac was green and on it.
Well none where colored in then I realized why. Ooosies

But with the Lucy part do you really think they’re all civs on that wagon? I might be a bit confused about your voting analysis.

I’m good to vote off Kate and prove I’m town next phase. This phase I’m committed to the Dennis wagon and really that’s since both are mafia in my mind and this helps Lucy so win win as long as we vote off Kate tomorrow.

I’d also not be shocked if i was NKd since I’m mainly pushing the Kate vote so If I am make sure to pursue it.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:14 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:08 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:20 pm "sig/hk/lucy/doom/creature/rondo fwiw. if you agree, help me parse kate/Neon/Dennis/Wilgy/falcon/JDizz"

leaning town on kate
JDizz prolly town too (I just like their takes/tone/derps, this slot feels gueninely hype to play fm for the first time, and I kindof see myself years ago annoyed at people repeating stuff over and over and over and over lol)

which makes the PoE looks like Neon/Dennis/Wilgy/falcon.

I am not really happy with it tbh. Prolly contains 2 wolves (imo Dennis is outed). falcon I need to read more, I just remember him tuneling Wilgy. Wilgy I need to give more thoughts.

kate is prolly self-resolving out of Dennis flip.

so if I let scum slides into my towncore, it's prolly within hk (reeval D4 imo) or lucy (lol)
kate/Neon/Dennis/Wilgy/falcon/JDizz"

So out of these in order to most to lease

1 Dennis
2. Kate
3. Wilgy
4. JD
5. falcon
6. Neon

I think Falcon is a really hard slot to read but Mac had him as a town read and I think he’s more within town range then mafia range

Neon was an iffy town read for me but her switching to Dennis and burying the axe with Lucy skyrocketed her imo to the town core.

JD: he has that town tone I agree and it’s his first game but he hasn’t done a lot game wise but focused on lucy. I also think Lucy town cleared him way to early.

First 2 I’m 95% sure they’re both mafia
Wilgy I’m like 80% sure.

Contender for deep wolf would be HK? But, his tone seems pure
Your vague "I think Wilgy is Mafia" and "I have reasons but I expect Wilgy to do something and will wait and see." Do not inspire confidence. I don't think you are wolf as it's much more likely in Kate, but I think it's worth to express this concern.
But, if I tell you my reasons then you can act that way and get cleared While being mafia

If you had to pick four who are the last 2?

Katie, Dennis, and who else

re Lucy, no I don't think they are all civilian with the exception of Lucy being wolf. I think this is unlikely and just 3p. As to if we should yeet, I'm still undecided.

Lucy being 3p makes for an easy vote position. I've also expressed concerns with both Kate and Neon who voted there, so I'm not really sure why you'd think that I think they are all civilian. Like the only world where that is pure is if Lucy does in fact flip wolf instead of 3p. In which case, W Lucy gambled really hard on a gimmick that I think is clearing for the Lucy voters.

I've already expressed this, I see wolves in Dennis OR HK/Kate OR you/Neon/DoO depending on the 'OR' teammates. With more data deciding on the last slots would be easier.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:08 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:20 pm "sig/hk/lucy/doom/creature/rondo fwiw. if you agree, help me parse kate/Neon/Dennis/Wilgy/falcon/JDizz"

leaning town on kate
JDizz prolly town too (I just like their takes/tone/derps, this slot feels gueninely hype to play fm for the first time, and I kindof see myself years ago annoyed at people repeating stuff over and over and over and over lol)

which makes the PoE looks like Neon/Dennis/Wilgy/falcon.

I am not really happy with it tbh. Prolly contains 2 wolves (imo Dennis is outed). falcon I need to read more, I just remember him tuneling Wilgy. Wilgy I need to give more thoughts.

kate is prolly self-resolving out of Dennis flip.

so if I let scum slides into my towncore, it's prolly within hk (reeval D4 imo) or lucy (lol)
kate/Neon/Dennis/Wilgy/falcon/JDizz"

So out of these in order to most to lease

1 Dennis
2. Kate
3. Wilgy
4. JD
5. falcon
6. Neon

I think Falcon is a really hard slot to read but Mac had him as a town read and I think he’s more within town range then mafia range

Neon was an iffy town read for me but her switching to Dennis and burying the axe with Lucy skyrocketed her imo to the town core.

JD: he has that town tone I agree and it’s his first game but he hasn’t done a lot game wise but focused on lucy. I also think Lucy town cleared him way to early.

First 2 I’m 95% sure they’re both mafia
Wilgy I’m like 80% sure.

Contender for deep wolf would be HK? But, his tone seems pure

Your vague "I think Wilgy is Mafia" and "I have reasons but I expect Wilgy to do something and will wait and see." Do not inspire confidence. I don't think you are wolf as it's much more likely in Kate, but I think it's worth to express this concern.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:58 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:25 pm Neon's take re: Scrappy...like, does she have a meta of "always go after 3Ps"? Her take feels myopic

We might be dealing with Freon, and that's an ignoble gas
"we might be dealing with Freon" -> I am just loling rn falcon. gj (going through ur iso fwiw, liking it so far. villager energy)

If it's still relevant, Neon does policy 3p and Self Voters.

It takes a licking and keeps on ticking.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:14 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:02 pm Conclusions on who wanted to chomp down on the LH Wilgy Fruit review:
Neon and Dennis look bad from this.

Neon's shade is very questionable on my slot. It feels that there was purposely ignored information provided by Mac and that doesn't sit well.

Dennis seems to be playing the 'Wilgy is off' in a strange way. There's no real rhyme or reason that Dennis provides, but I think they are pretty much always postured to vote for me if it came down to it.

The Dennis/HK dif check as seen in VCA remains true. Sig/Kate dif check remains true.

Team could be Kate/HK/Neon/? or maybe Kate/Dennis/Neon/? last option would be Sig/HK/?/?. It makes me unsure.
For the love of God, neon is civ. Wilgy, hello, lick her if you don't believe me.

Jokes on you. Neon tastes paralinear.

The last thing I'll add before I'd like for some of y'all to digest what I've added (PLEASE ACTUALLY ATTEMPT TO ABSORB SOME OF THIS, I'M AFRAID YOU GOONS ARE TO SILO'd AS IT STANDS) is that one odd observation I've noticed is that Neon D2 called CRichard out for using far too many of their posts early and capping, yet did the same thing this cycle. This doesn't feel good, however, I'd like to know what Neon thinks upon my analysis and will not vote there until they've had the opportunity to do so when they are no longer capped.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:38 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:13 pm Alright @sig, at least DoO replied to it, but you called my bias review and explanation bad while not interacting with the actual VCA I did. You then were called out on this and then you went to post afew more times without actually doing so.
Well I think it’s odd you ignored lucy voters for one thing.

I also don’t think VCA works until we have flips it kinda just seems like you’re attempting to create content and be active without saying much.

on the flip side I think you’re right on Dennis and Kate. So I’d not want to see you voted off over the next two phases.

we do have flips though, we have plenty of greens and knowledge of who voted those greens. Realizing that 5 people being 'wrong' is weird and weighing that is very important.

RE ignored Lucy voters, what do you mean? As you see I was a Lucy voter. Lucy is unflipped and doesn't have nearly as much of a weight due to self preservation. What little voteweight Lucy has is shared with Dennis for the d1 badvotes.

Dunya voters also have somewhat less data because Dunya is still unflipped AND the onlything adding value to that wagon in isolation is that Mac was green and on it.

Conclusions on who wanted to chomp down on the LH Wilgy Fruit review:
Neon and Dennis look bad from this.

Neon's shade is very questionable on my slot. It feels that there was purposely ignored information provided by Mac and that doesn't sit well.

Dennis seems to be playing the 'Wilgy is off' in a strange way. There's no real rhyme or reason that Dennis provides, but I think they are pretty much always postured to vote for me if it came down to it.

The Dennis/HK dif check as seen in VCA remains true. Sig/Kate dif check remains true.

Team could be Kate/HK/Neon/? or maybe Kate/Dennis/Neon/? last option would be Sig/HK/?/?. It makes me unsure.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:18 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:15 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:12 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:58 pm is it time to flash wigly?
[VOTE: drwigly] aubergine
1. Why wilgy

2. You were very very confident in Dunya before. And it's not like your vote was on some random person, she is one of the top wagons. What happened??

Do you find Wilgy towny?
Not particularly but I don't remember a single think HK has said about wilgy. Also I think there's bigger fish to fry at the moment

The theory of a dif check in HK and Dennis continues with this post here. This one is interesting as I think I agree with Dennis. I'm not sure why HK would proffer me up for the flash wagon as opposed to resolving other threads while at the same time expressing fears about Dunya's slot. It all feels very level 0.

Just a side bar - Mac you were too good for this game. You were quite literally the only one that attempted to interact with the small bits of bread crumbs I threw out there and then actually reviewed the voicing of me as opposed to just listening to the noise.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 10:07 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 10:02 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:50 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:46 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:09 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:06 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:04 pm Maybe LPP

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:04 pm

LPP that's another one
cool I'm gonna pull a pro gamer move and hard shield LPP today

What's the "case" on dennis? I know where you stand on lucy. Same question for wigly
Lmaooooo
cool ok that was easy
[VOTE: neon] aubergine
I quoted a post from dennis that made me start questioning dennis. Lucy has pointed out things I at least mildly agree are Nagl though they could use clarification I've asked for. Vibes is another reason.

Rondo is literally IC so not sure why me and Rondo posting a similar conclusion one after another makes you think to protect LPP when Rondo is lock town but I digress.
god himself could come down and say "hey HK Neon and Rondo are town" and I'd still shield Rask today because I want to see what he's going to do with this time. Dunya dropped the ball yesterday and her D1 wasn't stellar but Rask comes in pretty strong today trying to make things happen for his slot. I think it's fair to say Rask you get some time to do that. If we get to 8ish hours left in the game day and Rask has shit the bed then shield is off. But if he's posting townie I want to see more from him.

Fine, I get your reasoning on Dennis. I still think his D2 was townie so that's a hurdle for me to overcome atm. What about Wigly?
That's fine I'm not pushing rask. Well I'm not gonna push anyone anymore but I'm not gonna like try to get others to see rask right now. I'm basically between Wilgz and Dennis.

Wilgz just isn't doing anything. I expect wilgz to slank and low post but I also expect wilgz to use his limited posts to generate content that I vibe with and that helps me see things I might not be seeing. Like Wilgz has often been a beacon to me personally in games. I feel none of that this game. Mac said there's solving but I've looked and all I've seen is like statements with no nuance.

I feel like for the first time ever I'm T/T with Mac and I've agreed with none of the takes he had in thread and its weirddddd and I dunno what that says about my reads this game...

This one is interesting, as Mac provided a specific example of what I was doing. Mac's was specifically 'he's defending Jack' which was a correct observation. Thus, why is it Neon, that you acknowledge Mac's point but not the very example they provide?

LPP's reaction is fine but NAI.

and I've caught up and covered the interesting bits of ctrl f wilgy pages 3 and 4 now. Conclusion next.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:46 pm Also also

Notice how Wilgy becomes very active only when he/Dennis/Kate start getting attention?

Notice how he’s scum reading me but also Kate and then Kate starts to push me?

Wolves are trying to do a coordinated effort to clear 2/3 and potentially save Dennis.

You are hard headed my friend. Which I suppose gives you some town credo.

I think I've advised that you or kate going over could both be fine and that at the same time you are never on a team with them? Hell just help me toss Kate over and if I'm correct then you have nothing to worry about.

Alright @sig, at least DoO replied to it, but you called my bias review and explanation bad while not interacting with the actual VCA I did. You then were called out on this and then you went to post afew more times without actually doing so.

moving into a review on how players have attempted to interact with me to further foundations on this game.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:53 am Wilgy - hi. Yep you will always be hard for me to read but I feel pretty good about you so far. Your thoughts about Scrappy seem to be thought out but you do seem to be "sheeping" a bit more than normal this game. I also do not like the fact that you openly admit to not actually reading the full game. I am disappoint.

This is a good look for Rondo I think. Roxy was able to 1. Deduce that I had actually been critically thinking when it came to a stance on scrappy and 2. Provided in what little I gave to the thread an observation with reason thus not suggesting TMI being the reason for no.1.

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:09 pm Wilgy was talking about " not feeling it" on N0, which I get but then he voted pretty quickly which felt pretty off

This one is interesting as Dennis doesn't feel to be critically thinking about my slot. It feels more so a shade with a made up reason.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:28 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:22 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:16 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:11 pm I just want to take a moment to define how much of a pleasure it is to play Mafia with all of you.

Y'all the rest GOATS.
I would have more pleasure if y'all didn't make this game hard by not playing.
Oh, I'm definitely playing. Just trying something new.

A modified version of Wilgy I'd call this.

Critical Slank Wilgy 12%.

I've tried Ultra Flow Wilgy v.2.31 afew times now and I've not noticed positive results.

This may be more akin to GoC Wilgy if not the Wilgy you see who subs into games.
If you're NANOOK and you can push good reads, then that's alright. The issue is that slanking is a pretty easy thing for wolves to do and if everybody did the same then the game would be extremely difficult to play.

Encourages what is beleived to be town behavior without shading. What makes me think this is a good look for Creature is that they went out of their way to reference Nook. This at least shows effort in them trying to rationalize and compare my behavior with that of other examples.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:02 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:58 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:47 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:25 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:48 pm

I've liked everything I've seen out of you this game. Can I sheep you as well?
Me? Or rox? If it's me, sure you do you doc.
Hmmmm...rather quick to accept a Wilgy pocket I see. Does this mean you're TR his slot?
No, just that he can do what he wants and I'm not gonna tell him what to do or not do. I have no read on wilgy currently.
You don't find it odd he's sheeping you...and while he says he likes everything you've posted, it's not like he's pointing out specific thoughts of yours he vibes with...and he's certainly capable of forming his own takes.

Why aren't you sus of how he's framing his sheep on your reads?
This is interesting. Are you finding my behavior or Kate's response to my behavior more interesting?
Interesting is the wrong word, scummy is the one you're looking for.

TBD

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:48 pm Def feels like a difference check between Wilgy & Kate

This interaction between Kate/Falcon and I seems genuine from Falcon and I'd basically call him locktown for this. Being able to analyze 1. Wilgy sheeping Kate implies potential TMI 2. Kate accepting the sheep implies potential TMI and 3. Realizing that we wouldn't behave this way on the same team is a VERY good look.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:17 am
sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:35 am I know Wilgy says he’s slanking and he has a history of being misvoted, but the longer he leaves his vote on me without any reasoning the more I want to vote him back.

That might be a OMGUS move though.
There are many good reasons to vote Wilgy... this is definitely not one of them

This is a rough one for Neon. (I wouldn't vote there this cycle because they are capped already, I feel that at least 1 cycle of actual interaction would be needed for me to justify.) This post shades and doesn't provide information on the shade. Not even a reference to another's observations upon me. IT at the same time defends me from Sig's specific observation which could be interpreted as wolf posturing.

And that's two pages of posts ctrl f Wilgy. Pages 3 and 4 after this commercial break.

How the hell did I post that?

I must've tabbed and hit enter real quick twice tyring to double space?

Anyways, disregard. I'm moving into reviewing player thoughts on my purposely obstinate slot.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:53 am Wilgy - hi. Yep you will always be hard for me to read but I feel pretty good about you so far. Your thoughts about Scrappy seem to be thought out but you do seem to be "sheeping" a bit more than normal this game. I also do not like the fact that you openly admit to not actually reading the full game. I am disappoint.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:30 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:28 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:23 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:20 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:18 pm Also Wigly's thoughts just aren't consistent. If he was seriously thinking I was the best yeet, he'd spend time reading my thoughts and would compare my reads to his.

He has Kate and HK as "tolerable" options, but I came into the day pushing these two. If he and I really see the game so similarly, he'd be putting a lot more thought into yeeting me or not.

Instead of this, he hasn't actually read my posts and analyzed my thoughts, he just sees me as a town who can die.
Doo, I've already advised that I'm not doing this. I don't know your takes or your perspectives.

I desired to do VCA and solve from there.

Next I get to ctrl f on my name and see people's reason's and logic around me intentionally slanking as that sounds fun and informative.
Wigly said "How is it in town mindset to interact with an 'explanation of biases' as opposed to 'a wall of actual weighted vca' from which those biases were affected and evaluated?"

Then wigly says ""Doo, I've already advised that I'm not doing this. I don't know your takes or your perspectives."

HOW IS IT TOWN MINDEST TO IGNORE ALL TAKES AND PERSPECTIVES

Time effectivity.

The strict contrary behavior was displayed in that two pieces of data were given back to back and you chose to focus on one over the other.

Do not get me wrong my friend, bias and understanding of perspectives at least SHOULD occur even in me, it just hasn't happened yet nor am I able to go out of my way for it. Analyzing strictly based on vote count and weighing information based on how players have attempted to interact with me in spite of my slank I think are the best ways for me to find a footing in this game and also approach the game from a strict form of logos.
I'm an old school player, the belief I have is that those people who focus on votes/mechs over interacting and analyzing thoughts are just mafia.

I'm of the argument that town loses when they don't focus on votes. I believe the recent GoC highlighted this as there were some associations that could've been found in review of the votes to lead town to victory, however this wasn't done.

This game at least to me and my desire to use and prove VCA can win games for town I think are being reflected and were impacted BY this occurrence in the GoC.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:23 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:20 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:18 pm Also Wigly's thoughts just aren't consistent. If he was seriously thinking I was the best yeet, he'd spend time reading my thoughts and would compare my reads to his.

He has Kate and HK as "tolerable" options, but I came into the day pushing these two. If he and I really see the game so similarly, he'd be putting a lot more thought into yeeting me or not.

Instead of this, he hasn't actually read my posts and analyzed my thoughts, he just sees me as a town who can die.
Doo, I've already advised that I'm not doing this. I don't know your takes or your perspectives.

I desired to do VCA and solve from there.

Next I get to ctrl f on my name and see people's reason's and logic around me intentionally slanking as that sounds fun and informative.
Wigly said "How is it in town mindset to interact with an 'explanation of biases' as opposed to 'a wall of actual weighted vca' from which those biases were affected and evaluated?"

Then wigly says ""Doo, I've already advised that I'm not doing this. I don't know your takes or your perspectives."

HOW IS IT TOWN MINDEST TO IGNORE ALL TAKES AND PERSPECTIVES

Time effectivity.

The strict contrary behavior was displayed in that two pieces of data were given back to back and you chose to focus on one over the other.

Do not get me wrong my friend, bias and understanding of perspectives at least SHOULD occur even in me, it just hasn't happened yet nor am I able to go out of my way for it. Analyzing strictly based on vote count and weighing information based on how players have attempted to interact with me in spite of my slank I think are the best ways for me to find a footing in this game and also approach the game from a strict form of logos.

This one is separate as personal knowledge results in this potentially being less valid to external persons. A review of early d3 votes and only functions in comparison to the previous vote patterns:

Dennis 3
Voters: lucy, Neon, Scrappy Doo
DrWilgy 4
Voters: hollowkatt, Creature, falcon45ca, Le petit poussin
Kate 3
Voters: sig, RondoDimBuckle, Fish
lucy 2
Voters: Dennis, Kate

HK, Creature, Falcon and LPP on me most likely points to the wolf on my wagon being HK just based on the previous observations. This does add a badvote weight to LPP, Creature and Falcon, HOWEVER As how I've been playing, I don't believe that badvote weight should be very heavy without other observations on how these players actually interacted with the fruit I've plated for them.

Dennis being at three with bad voter Lucy/Neon and null Scrappy does not fill me with confidence. If the argument that I'm at least now seeing from DoO/Lucy are the reason for this, why not just vote Kate?

Kate wagon. Sig being on here makes me wonder if they've noticed the tension between them and Kate re Seanzie. Odd that Kate isn't on Sig in return. Kate's wagon is much more null in weight than Dennis.

Lucy wagon. Dennis has slightly towny weight, Kate has slightly wolfy weight. Again more votes on the 3p serving as a neutral vote bed.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:18 pm Also Wigly's thoughts just aren't consistent. If he was seriously thinking I was the best yeet, he'd spend time reading my thoughts and would compare my reads to his.

He has Kate and HK as "tolerable" options, but I came into the day pushing these two. If he and I really see the game so similarly, he'd be putting a lot more thought into yeeting me or not.

Instead of this, he hasn't actually read my posts and analyzed my thoughts, he just sees me as a town who can die.

Doo, I've already advised that I'm not doing this. I don't know your takes or your perspectives.

I desired to do VCA and solve from there.

Next I get to ctrl f on my name and see people's reason's and logic around me intentionally slanking as that sounds fun and informative.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:15 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:08 pm An explanation of biases at this point:
I very much think DoO is the best yeet as it stands.

Sig OR Kate are tolerable options as well. I do not know why but I think I would like to flip Sig in spite of the wolfweight pointing that Kate would be the better flip. Perhaps Sig's new gutsto when it comes to mafia has me wavering at a gut fear read.

HK is a tolerable option. I do think that if a wolf was found on Chihiro, HK has the greater of wolfweights.

It is VERY hard for me to see a world where this is wolf Falcon. Again, as I think I've expressed the past 3 games. Town Falcon is a very easy read as wolf Falcon is just miserable doing so. That is not happening this game.
This is a post made by someone who has TMI, why?

Because not even a town could be this wrong

Goddamn, Sig and DOO both did it. We wildin.

How is it in town mindset to interact with an 'explanation of biases' as opposed to 'a wall of actual weighted vca' from which those biases were affected and evaluated?

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:11 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:12 am
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:01 am Post Cap

Kill me if you want it's probably good for thread health to remove me from this game at this point. Sorry for ruining the game vibe and stuff.

Don't kill Kate I have mech. It could be wrong but I at least want a chance to get answers before she dies.

Kill Dennis and Wilgy they are woofin.

Top town is like HK Creature Rondo... probably Sig to. Think that's my town core.

Don't wanna kill LPP or Kate today.

Peace.
@Kate you need to answer this. Having you both solved would be huge for this game
Killing neon would be bad and dumb.

Killing me, would also be bad.

Hk and rondo are civ.

I don't know about wilgy. He's null, why is that?
Come play @DrWilgy.

You know, I'd really like to not be outed anymore than I am. I'm not an info dump type player.

So do you believe that the Chihiro voters were pure and there were no wolves there? Or is there one in Falcon/Dennis?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:09 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:08 pm An explanation of biases at this point:
I very much think DoO is the best yeet as it stands.

Sig OR Kate are tolerable options as well. I do not know why but I think I would like to flip Sig in spite of the wolfweight pointing that Kate would be the better flip. Perhaps Sig's new gutsto when it comes to mafia has me wavering at a gut fear read.

HK is a tolerable option. I do think that if a wolf was found on Chihiro, HK has the greater of wolfweights.

It is VERY hard for me to see a world where this is wolf Falcon. Again, as I think I've expressed the past 3 games. Town Falcon is a very easy read as wolf Falcon is just miserable doing so. That is not happening this game.

Ooo I don’t like this post.

Are you trying to save some teammates Wilgy.

Don't interact with this one you goomba. This is bad faith when I just put a ton of work in the post above this that explains all this.

An explanation of biases at this point:
I very much think DoO is the best yeet as it stands.

Sig OR Kate are tolerable options as well. I do not know why but I think I would like to flip Sig in spite of the wolfweight pointing that Kate would be the better flip. Perhaps Sig's new gutsto when it comes to mafia has me wavering at a gut fear read.

HK is a tolerable option. I do think that if a wolf was found on Chihiro, HK has the greater of wolfweights.

It is VERY hard for me to see a world where this is wolf Falcon. Again, as I think I've expressed the past 3 games. Town Falcon is a very easy read as wolf Falcon is just miserable doing so. That is not happening this game.

So, here's the premise: Can Wilgy solve mafia using strictly VCA and LHF baiting?

Hypothesis: No, Wilgy cannot solve mafia using strictly VCA and LHF baiting because he's 57% dingus.

First things first, let's find associations and patterns within votes.

EOD1:

Chihiro 2
Voters: lucy, Dennis
CRichard 1
Voters: Neon
Dennis 1
Voters: dunya
Jackofhearts2005 3
Voters: Creature, pyxxy, Seanzie
Kate 1
Voters: Roxy
Neon 2
Voters: falcon45ca, DrWilgy
pyxxy 1
Voters: JDizz10
Seanzie 5
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, Kate, sig, Chihiro, CRichard
sig 1
Voters: Scrappy Doo

Immediate observations, if one doesn't believe that Seanzie was a pure D1 wagon, then we would best solve in Kate/Sig. JoH may have also been unpure, but that'd just be outing for creature, further review needed.

A pattern of one off votes and a town flip would advise indecision on the towns part, enabling a potential wolf or two to hide within one off votes. Notable wolfsided one off votes belong to Neon on CRichard/Mac, Lucy and Dennis on Chihiro, and JDizz on Pyxxy. I would not expect MORE than 2 wolves in here, but can see a potential world where there is 1-2 here, 1-2 on Seanzie/JoH, and one on the nonflipped.

Mid D2:

CRichard 1
Voters: DaughterOfOmega
dunya 4
Voters: sig, Dennis, hollowkatt, MacDougall
Jackofhearts2005 4
Voters: Scrappy Doo, lucy, Creature, RondoDimBuckle
JDizz10 1
Voters: falcon45ca
lucy 4
Voters: Neon, Kate, DrWilgy, JDizz10
Neon 1
Voters: Chihiro

Immediate observations, the spread out vote pattern of d1 seems to have slightly condensed by the time I took this poll d2. Notable wagons on Dunya, JoH and Lucy may require some resolution to proceed on the review of this one. Notable bad one off votes belong to DoO.

It is at least I think worthy of note that the unflipped members of Seanzie D1 in this spread have both voted off to the wagon that did indeed flip (joh).

on d1 bad votes:
Neon, JDizz are voting 'bad votes' from d1 on Lucy. Falcon is voting a 'bad vote' on JDizz10. Conf town Chihiro voting 'bad vote' on Neon. Falcon seizes notable town equity with this and a lack of a d1 bad vote I think.

EoD2:

Chihiro 3
Voters: hollowkatt, Dennis, falcon45ca
CRichard 1
Voters: Creature
DaughterOfOmega 1
Voters: MacDougall
dunya 1
Voters: sig
Jackofhearts2005 5
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Chihiro, Scrappy Doo, lucy, RondoDimBuckle
lucy 5
Voters: Neon, Kate, DrWilgy, Jackofhearts2005, JDizz10

Immediate observations: An even wagon between Lucy (claimed 3p) and JoH T seems to imply imperfections in BOTH lead wagons. Lucy either being the wolf, or a wolf would easily be able to place a vote there without much discourse.

Falcon having voted on a bad voter then moving to a town wagon. I don't think detracts from the equity of pushing a bad voter mid day. Likely resulting in there being a wolf between Dennis and HK.

Comparing EoD1 votes to EoD2 the biggest interest I see is Creature moving near EoD off Jack and onto another conf town wagon.

Outcome of confirmed vote patterns:
Creature - Bad vote d1, however this could have been a consistent read based on early vote behavior d2, the however however is howevered by creature moving off Jack near EoD2 and onto another confirmed town. A lack of consistency presents a lack of strong read that should be assessed. Notable scum equity with two bad votes and a lack of consistency. Potentially one of the 1-2 in the Jack/Seanzie wagons d1. If Kate/Sig both show green destroy this slot.

DoO - No vote d1 can be a bad vote by all intensive purposes. Notable bad vote mid d2 and notable bad vote EoD2. If Jack's wagon was unpure, I believe this is where the wolf lies. Would be likely also one of the 1-2 wolves in off wagons/MIA d1. Townflipped Mac voting this slot also provides a vastly heavier wolfweight.

Dennis - Bad vote d1, Null vote mid d2 BUT has the equity of voting alongside a town so there's less wolfweight there finishing on a badvote EoD2. HOWEVER, the badvote EoD2 was reflective of the badvote EoD1 at least implying a consistency. Dennis does not have as much wolfweight as I thought they would going into this. Analysis on Dennis should continue in later stages of the game. Strange tension between HK and Dennis for EoD2 that should be further observed.

Falcon - voted for someone who made a badvote d1 on eod1, voted for someone who made a badvote d1 on mid d2, ended on a badvote EoD2. I think Falcon voting for badvoters at least shows some good town equity. Hard not to be biased as I think I've found Falcon as town every time he's allowed to do his own thing, but I only see good things from this slot with the exception of the Chihiro vote. However, if we believe that Dennis's consistency on the slot is reflective of a real read, Falcon may have subscribed to this as well thus alleviating wolfweight of that slot.

HK - Splints didn't vote d1 unfortunately, true null. Mid D2 HK, Sig, Dennis were all on Dunya, another null. Badvote on Chihiro EoD2. It is interesting to observe that Sig, who was on this wagon has a tension with Kate as expressed in the Seanzie wagon AND HK on this wagon would end up having tension with Dennis on the Chihiro wagon EoD2. IF there was a wolf on Chihiro, it was most likely HK due to these tensions.

JDizz - bad vote d1, null vote mid2 and EoD2 but on Lucy who was a d1 badvoter. JDizz is found guilty of being vastly neutral in vote pattern and should be analyzed best against Lucy. Unlikely wolf if 2 of the off wagon voting wolves d1. 3 wolves don't do that right?

Kate- Bad vote d1, high tension with Sig for the Seanzie yeet. D2 moved to Lucy consistently who was a d1 bad vote and thus should have slightly higher equity. Should be solved against Sig.

LPP - Lone voter of Dennis d1. This one is hard to place due to no votes d2. Should be weighted against the theory of 1 on Chihiro D2 in Dennis/HK/Falcon.

Lucy- Contention. Has a bad vote d1 and appears to be voting in self preservation d2. Would be hard to review, but is interesting as the counterwagon. Data could be gleaned on Neon/Kate/JDizz by resolving this d2 wagon, however VCA does not provide much insight on Lucy's real motivation as self preservation seems to be the key motivator.

Neon - Bad vote d1, moved to Lucy consistently D2 both EoD and Mid who was a bad vote d1. DOES have a lone conf town vote on them mid d2 which does increase the wolfweight abit in spite of voting a bad voter. I would cry if we were to flip Neon regardless of alignment, but it seems that it's necessary (with the exception of Lucy flipping W).

Rondo - Lone voter of Kate d1 and this should be weighted against the tensions between Sig/Kate on the theory that Seanzie wasn't a pure wagon. Received no votes and showed consistency on JoH. More data needed. PRO Kate sided parallel with Scrappy Doo.

Scrappy Doo- Lone voter of Sig d1 and should be weighted against tensions between Sig/Kate on the theory that Seanzie wasn't a pure wagon. Received no votes and showed consistency on JoH. More data needed. PRO Sig sided parallel with Rondo.

Sig- Bad vote d1, high tension with Kate for the Seanzie yeet. D2 moved to Dunya consistently who was a d1 neutral vote. Should be solved against Kate.

Conclusion:
Solving between the Chihiro wagon and the Seanzie wagon I think would be in our best interest. I do not think, based on votes, that it is not in the realm of reason to suspect 1 in Kate/Sig and 1 in Dennis/HK.

Other yeets that would be inherently beneficial for town based on the above are Neon/DoO.

For posterity
Dennis
3
21%
Voters: lucy, Neon, Scrappy Doo

DrWilgy
4
29%
Voters: hollowkatt, Creature, falcon45ca, Le petit poussin

Kate
3
21%
Voters: sig, RondoDimBuckle, Fish

lucy
2
14%
Voters: Dennis, Kate

Everyone is always like... "Where's Wilgy" and no one is ever "When's Wilgy?"

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:57 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:49 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:47 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:05 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:53 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:20 pm

I'm having the same concerning feelings about wilgy.
This doesn't make sense. I'm clearly a beacon of towny behavior.

coward.
[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine
Oh how the Falcon falls.

Do you vote me to find a wolf or for the convenience of such things?

Did this sequence of words make sense in your head?

Very much so. What issue did you find with them?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:47 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:05 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:53 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:20 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 7:05 pm Some names that haven't been in my mouth but I have thoughts on:

Falcon - just a falcon doing falcon things, though I feel like he has been less present than normal. I wanna see more of him to solidify a read but he's okay for now.

Wilgy - he hasn't been posting his big posts that intimidate me. He mentioned being low on WiM N0 and that's why I've stayed away from him until now but that tiny voice in the back of my head is getting louder.
I'm having the same concerning feelings about wilgy.
This doesn't make sense. I'm clearly a beacon of towny behavior.

coward.
[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

Oh how the Falcon falls.

Do you vote me to find a wolf or for the convenience of such things?

CRichard
1
5%
Voters: DaughterOfOmega

dunya
4
18%
Voters: sig, Dennis, hollowkatt, MacDougall

Jackofhearts2005
4
18%
Voters: Scrappy Doo, lucy, Creature, RondoDimBuckle

JDizz10
1
5%
Voters: falcon45ca

lucy
4
18%
Voters: Neon, Kate, DrWilgy, JDizz10

Neon
1
5%
Voters: Chihiro

So... Let's actually try to get into this game somewhat. That would likely be fore the best.

Someone describe for me the lead arguments for Dunya and Jack please? Assuming either flips town, are these wagons pure?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:05 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:53 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:20 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 7:05 pm Some names that haven't been in my mouth but I have thoughts on:

Falcon - just a falcon doing falcon things, though I feel like he has been less present than normal. I wanna see more of him to solidify a read but he's okay for now.

Wilgy - he hasn't been posting his big posts that intimidate me. He mentioned being low on WiM N0 and that's why I've stayed away from him until now but that tiny voice in the back of my head is getting louder.
I'm having the same concerning feelings about wilgy.
This doesn't make sense. I'm clearly a beacon of towny behavior.

coward.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:20 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 7:05 pm Some names that haven't been in my mouth but I have thoughts on:

Falcon - just a falcon doing falcon things, though I feel like he has been less present than normal. I wanna see more of him to solidify a read but he's okay for now.

Wilgy - he hasn't been posting his big posts that intimidate me. He mentioned being low on WiM N0 and that's why I've stayed away from him until now but that tiny voice in the back of my head is getting louder.
I'm having the same concerning feelings about wilgy.

This doesn't make sense. I'm clearly a beacon of towny behavior.

Jack, you seem to be in quite the pickle.

Here allow me to provide you a Lucy vote to pull that wagon closer. How will you deal with this conundrum I wonder?

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:19 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:16 pm So lucy claiming her role and then saying she's gonna try to town lead is incredibly alarming, especially after she told us she IS going to try to extend the game if we're close to winning. We cannot let someone who we know will actively work against killing mafia if it means she gets a win and lucy certainly knows this.
that's not what i said, if we kill 3 mafia and the 4th is outed i'm gonna get town to agree on a ML to extend the game so that we both win

i will of course try to win

but i don't believe my win con and town's win cons are mutually exclusive

i can wolf hunt and kill wolves and that fulfills my win con

Does the paranoia not make sense from your perspective?

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:19 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:08 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:03 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:53 pm
Chihiro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:51 pm God this back and forth with neon, crich, kate just sounds like all town
You can't be serious. In what world does it make sense to kill my slot over the EOD1 as town?
If anything, it makes more sense for mafia to try to strong arm the lunch off the CW to make it ambiguous on what the wolves were doing wagon wise EoD1.
I feel like your stuck on repeat. Maybe try saying words that don't include "outed mafia" or "flip the CW"

Because what I see here is someone who doesn't want to entertain any thought that isn't "kill who I want you to kill" something that when employed is rarely efficient or helpful to the town as a collective and the games win con.
Neon, dear friend. Does this pleading to play by what CRichard thinks is "Optimal" derive from a wolf intention?

If so, then this is strictly an attempt to push and create a stagnant thread?

Oh my, that won't do! Think of our fans, they'd be truly bored.
Doctor Wigglestone I presume? why are you wolfing the thread?

No reason! However, do beware those who do.

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:16 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:14 pm I see. Thank you for the insight.

Might I ask you Neon, who should I vote? In all honesty I will likely vote in unison with CR regardless, but I do value your opinions from an ephemeral and spiritual perspective.
Vote me

I would never!

I see. Thank you for the insight.

Might I ask you Neon, who should I vote? In all honesty I will likely vote in unison with CR regardless, but I do value your opinions from an ephemeral and spiritual perspective.

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:03 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:53 pm
Chihiro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:51 pm God this back and forth with neon, crich, kate just sounds like all town
You can't be serious. In what world does it make sense to kill my slot over the EOD1 as town?
If anything, it makes more sense for mafia to try to strong arm the lunch off the CW to make it ambiguous on what the wolves were doing wagon wise EoD1.
I feel like your stuck on repeat. Maybe try saying words that don't include "outed mafia" or "flip the CW"

Because what I see here is someone who doesn't want to entertain any thought that isn't "kill who I want you to kill" something that when employed is rarely efficient or helpful to the town as a collective and the games win con.

Neon, dear friend. Does this pleading to play by what CRichard thinks is "Optimal" derive from a wolf intention?

If so, then this is strictly an attempt to push and create a stagnant thread?

Oh my, that won't do! Think of our fans, they'd be truly bored.

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:02 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:58 am Roxy is town.

W Roxy would've bit their fangs into me easily.

Good one down.
Probably unpairs Roxy/Wilgy. It's doubtful Wilgy if mafia outs a read on their partner like this, especially unprompted.

Ah, yes this is a truly good read CRichard. May I call you CR? Since those dastardly devils murdered my dear friend Pyxxy. May I pledge my loyalties to you? You are quite obviously not wolf, so please take lead!

Oh alas, I have been foiled again. Jack, how will you ever recover this?

I have voted in clear effort to save my wolf teammate Jackoffhearts.

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:54 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:48 pm Def feels like a difference check between Wilgy & Kate
What does this mean?

Kate, my friend, the dif check that Falcon references is simply implying that there are two conditions upon us. One a condition of one of us being a wolf, and two a condition of us not being on the same team.

However, the fault with this thinking is that there's not nearly enough tension held by either you or I that would make this possible. Falcon, are we being silly again?

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:05 pm Also I know I just said Wilgy slanking is NAI, but him slankingly casting a vote with no reasoning isn’t a good look.

Typically when town Wilgy slanks he at least does some stuff.

But I am doing stuff, and I think I've expressed this before. I'm sheeping people!

Now, finding out who to sheep is the fun part. Wouldn't want to accidentally follow a wolf now, would I?

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:46 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:40 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:26 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:22 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:16 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:11 pm I just want to take a moment to define how much of a pleasure it is to play Mafia with all of you.

Y'all the rest GOATS.
I would have more pleasure if y'all didn't make this game hard by not playing.
Oh, I'm definitely playing. Just trying something new.

A modified version of Wilgy I'd call this.

Critical Slank Wilgy 12%.

I've tried Ultra Flow Wilgy v.2.31 afew times now and I've not noticed positive results.

This may be more akin to GoC Wilgy if not the Wilgy you see who subs into games.
Thus is a NAI post.

Wilgy and myself are very similar when it comes to the ability to switch on and off seriousness in games. I’d say it’s a good reason for newer players to sus him for it, but anyone familiar with his meta would get a big from me for doing it
Don't you butter me up like some fine lunch plate for someone to consume on a tuesday at approximately 1:03 PM EST on the day March 7th of the Gregorian calendar with a side of sausage and cold-smoked caviar.

I’m actually Hannibal lector so the doctors gotta be eaten

Buuuuuut I’m seriously eyeing you for that non called out vote especially after I accurately described your meta seems a bit wolfy

Me voting you was unrelated to that. I've just seen a handful of people like "Sig is off"

To which I say, "my dear fellow, is Sig ever on?"

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:26 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:22 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:16 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:11 pm I just want to take a moment to define how much of a pleasure it is to play Mafia with all of you.

Y'all the rest GOATS.
I would have more pleasure if y'all didn't make this game hard by not playing.
Oh, I'm definitely playing. Just trying something new.

A modified version of Wilgy I'd call this.

Critical Slank Wilgy 12%.

I've tried Ultra Flow Wilgy v.2.31 afew times now and I've not noticed positive results.

This may be more akin to GoC Wilgy if not the Wilgy you see who subs into games.
Thus is a NAI post.

Wilgy and myself are very similar when it comes to the ability to switch on and off seriousness in games. I’d say it’s a good reason for newer players to sus him for it, but anyone familiar with his meta would get a big from me for doing it

Don't you butter me up like some fine lunch plate for someone to consume on a tuesday at approximately 1:03 PM EST on the day March 7th of the Gregorian calendar with a side of sausage and cold-smoked caviar.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:33 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:12 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:02 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:58 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:47 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:25 pm

Hmmmm...rather quick to accept a Wilgy pocket I see. Does this mean you're TR his slot?
No, just that he can do what he wants and I'm not gonna tell him what to do or not do. I have no read on wilgy currently.
You don't find it odd he's sheeping you...and while he says he likes everything you've posted, it's not like he's pointing out specific thoughts of yours he vibes with...and he's certainly capable of forming his own takes.

Why aren't you sus of how he's framing his sheep on your reads?
This is interesting. Are you finding my behavior or Kate's response to my behavior more interesting?
Interesting is the wrong word, scummy is the one you're looking for.

TBD
I'm confused by this.

TBD on what you find more scummy between Kate and I based on our interaction?
How is that confusing?

I'm undecided whose behaviour I found more scummy...it feels too obvious for you both to be Maf

Just the way it was worded. Your explanation clarifies it.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:02 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:58 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:47 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:25 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:48 pm

I've liked everything I've seen out of you this game. Can I sheep you as well?
Me? Or rox? If it's me, sure you do you doc.
Hmmmm...rather quick to accept a Wilgy pocket I see. Does this mean you're TR his slot?
No, just that he can do what he wants and I'm not gonna tell him what to do or not do. I have no read on wilgy currently.
You don't find it odd he's sheeping you...and while he says he likes everything you've posted, it's not like he's pointing out specific thoughts of yours he vibes with...and he's certainly capable of forming his own takes.

Why aren't you sus of how he's framing his sheep on your reads?
This is interesting. Are you finding my behavior or Kate's response to my behavior more interesting?
Interesting is the wrong word, scummy is the one you're looking for.

TBD

I'm confused by this.

TBD on what you find more scummy between Kate and I based on our interaction?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:47 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:25 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:48 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:27 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:26 pm

If you want to wolf read me bc I think you are bad then go ahead. Why keep asking others why they don't think I am wolf? Do you need their permission? Get off the fence man and say how you read me and then stand by it.
This looks like town Roxy to me.
I've liked everything I've seen out of you this game. Can I sheep you as well?
Me? Or rox? If it's me, sure you do you doc.
Hmmmm...rather quick to accept a Wilgy pocket I see. Does this mean you're TR his slot?
No, just that he can do what he wants and I'm not gonna tell him what to do or not do. I have no read on wilgy currently.
You don't find it odd he's sheeping you...and while he says he likes everything you've posted, it's not like he's pointing out specific thoughts of yours he vibes with...and he's certainly capable of forming his own takes.

Why aren't you sus of how he's framing his sheep on your reads?

This is interesting. Are you finding my behavior or Kate's response to my behavior more interesting?

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:27 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:26 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:12 pm I don't get the townreads on Roxy for that giant wall. Why are you all townreading her for that?

I also don't get the wolfreads on Dennis. Where he is matching his wolf tones as compared to his town games?
If you want to wolf read me bc I think you are bad then go ahead. Why keep asking others why they don't think I am wolf? Do you need their permission? Get off the fence man and say how you read me and then stand by it.
This looks like town Roxy to me.

I've liked everything I've seen out of you this game. Can I sheep you as well?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:17 pm Like please, just plow through Sig/Neon/Dennis and let's get another W in the books. Jay mentioned my winrate recently in a discord chat, and so I've been so pumped to keep it high, and this is an easy sweep.

I saw mine and have been afflicted with defeatism.

Being WoogerZ is suffering.

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