The Syndicate

I'm liking the discussion but am at a brewery with friends. I'm afraid my attention is split.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:10 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:04 pm Like, just yeet me for my jack interactions, then yeet Porscha and the game should be as good as solved after that though.
in what universe does that solve the game lmao. what do you expect to happen after you flip and then I flip. like what spew do you expect to be spewed

offering to trade in this scenario, even if genuinely coming from you if you are town, is.................. unbecoming. it implies a lot of confidence in the alignment of my slot and I don't get why you seem tunneled on me from the get go when the obvious line of reasoning after lucy flip AND sean flip afterwards points to you. if you're being framed it is not my fault I see the frame. we all know it's out in broad daylight. find the wolves framing you, or you are getting out-poggered and out-gamed, unfortunately.

I mean frankly the fact that you didn't go over after jack flip AND sean NK means you're doing pretty well getting by. simultaneously focusing on the framing aspect while you live day after day is unbecoming. it's putting me off

I think it solves the game on PoE. Even if you flip green after me I think it's 4v2 and finding the wolf in Neon or Shia should be easy.

I'll admit, there is a world where I'm wrong. I don't think I am and even if I am, I think we still win after the fact. I just think by voicing my discontent with the push we may get there sooner. I don't think it's a matter of being out poggered. I just think it's an incorrect investment, that also night yeets confirmed. Like I said, I think it only wins the game for wolves if we've miscleared in Nook or Obs. I really don't think I'm wrong elsewhere.

I don't see how it's unbecoming. I accepted that I'd need to flip for the best chance to win, doing all I can in the meantime.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:06 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:04 pm They were literally both towncleared.

This push is still bad imo. Sensible, I get it, but now I'm afraid that maybe you are town who took the bait.
oh okay well feel free to say that to everybody else on your wagon as well

I think you are the only one pushing me for NKs. I get that I need to be flipped because of wagonomics and Jack. Your push just feels extra in the wrong way

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:06 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:02 pm Also something that stood out from yesterday that I didn't realize was kinda sketch at the time was your push on Falcon as well Porscha.

"You know you need to be flipped" is kinda bad. Jack gave us what we needed to read the slot. Falcon is super clear and his past day cycle has been classic town falc.
sorry I don't really agree. I think I will use the "low wim falcon is the hard to read falcon" line of reasoning you have used on me this game. thanks

Falc was anything but low wim last cycle. I think that's more than enough, and for you to still think it's Falcon after yesterday and the Jack spew and the nook (I think) check is silly.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:04 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 4:59 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 4:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 4:49 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 7:56 pm Ok I'm frustrated and probably allowing someone else to take over.

Anyway I'm Seanzie's mason partner. My track results were:

N2: Lilypetal - nobody
N4: falcon45ca- nobody

Which sucks because I can't discount the existence of mafia goon who just abstained.

Anyway, I think Ruri should be pretty much town for being uncounterclaimed protective besides Seanzie considering the existence of a mafia strongman.

I think the result still looks good for falcon45ca and someone mentioned he was spewed so I'm prob not looking at him today.

I also find obscurity genuinely townie all game, especially when he broke postcap to argue against the anne lynch. My biggest question regarding him is why he voted anne at some point.

That leaves Neon, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, DrWilgy, Porscha, pyxxy, Schiavetto and we need a POE of four to win.
Aye I think this gives us a valid PoE.

Yeeting me, Porscha, Neon and Schia I think closes the game.

The only one I'm not 100% on is Obscurity, but if Obscurity is wolf I think we just lose? As in I don't see a scenario where I wolf read them. I think I only reconsider that slot if both Shia and Porscha don't contain wolf.
why do you think lucy was NK'd
Without a doubt it was a push for my slot. Jokes on them tho, my yeet shouldn't lose us the game.

Half inclined to think you were all in on it still. Your interactions with Jack were super hedgey.
I hardly interacted with jack and yes I was uncertain of his slot. I don't really even feel inclined or pressured to defend myself against your accusation of hedging because there is virtually no way to determine whether I am jack wolf partner who distanced by not interacting and hedging or being disconnected from game at that point with no wolf jack meta not knowing exactly what to do. you will believe 1 is more likely than the other for whatever reason(s) you find / need

Aye, I don't see the same in the other remaining slots. Also what is there to defend against. What I saw can be teammate indicative so I think getting the best PoE down and yeeting is just the route to go. I don't know wether or not it's like you/Shia or you/neon or neon/Shia, but it's most likely in there.

Your pushes on me just feel wolfy.

Like, just yeet me for my jack interactions, then yeet Porscha and the game should be as good as solved after that though.

They were literally both towncleared.

This push is still bad imo. Sensible, I get it, but now I'm afraid that maybe you are town who took the bait.

Also something that stood out from yesterday that I didn't realize was kinda sketch at the time was your push on Falcon as well Porscha.

"You know you need to be flipped" is kinda bad. Jack gave us what we needed to read the slot. Falcon is super clear and his past day cycle has been classic town falc.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 4:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 4:49 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 7:56 pm Ok I'm frustrated and probably allowing someone else to take over.

Anyway I'm Seanzie's mason partner. My track results were:

N2: Lilypetal - nobody
N4: falcon45ca- nobody

Which sucks because I can't discount the existence of mafia goon who just abstained.

Anyway, I think Ruri should be pretty much town for being uncounterclaimed protective besides Seanzie considering the existence of a mafia strongman.

I think the result still looks good for falcon45ca and someone mentioned he was spewed so I'm prob not looking at him today.

I also find obscurity genuinely townie all game, especially when he broke postcap to argue against the anne lynch. My biggest question regarding him is why he voted anne at some point.

That leaves Neon, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, DrWilgy, Porscha, pyxxy, Schiavetto and we need a POE of four to win.
Aye I think this gives us a valid PoE.

Yeeting me, Porscha, Neon and Schia I think closes the game.

The only one I'm not 100% on is Obscurity, but if Obscurity is wolf I think we just lose? As in I don't see a scenario where I wolf read them. I think I only reconsider that slot if both Shia and Porscha don't contain wolf.
why do you think lucy was NK'd

Without a doubt it was a push for my slot. Jokes on them tho, my yeet shouldn't lose us the game.

Half inclined to think you were all in on it still. Your interactions with Jack were super hedgey.

Damn phone is being bastard and not keeping me logged in again. Making me redo posts.

I should reset my chrome, but got important history stuff to save first

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 7:56 pm Ok I'm frustrated and probably allowing someone else to take over.

Anyway I'm Seanzie's mason partner. My track results were:

N2: Lilypetal - nobody
N4: falcon45ca- nobody

Which sucks because I can't discount the existence of mafia goon who just abstained.

Anyway, I think Ruri should be pretty much town for being uncounterclaimed protective besides Seanzie considering the existence of a mafia strongman.

I think the result still looks good for falcon45ca and someone mentioned he was spewed so I'm prob not looking at him today.

I also find obscurity genuinely townie all game, especially when he broke postcap to argue against the anne lynch. My biggest question regarding him is why he voted anne at some point.

That leaves Neon, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, DrWilgy, Porscha, pyxxy, Schiavetto and we need a POE of four to win.

Aye I think this gives us a valid PoE.

Yeeting me, Porscha, Neon and Schia I think closes the game.

The only one I'm not 100% on is Obscurity, but if Obscurity is wolf I think we just lose? As in I don't see a scenario where I wolf read them. I think I only reconsider that slot if both Shia and Porscha don't contain wolf.

I just minmelded with Falcon. Weird.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:59 pm I love mafia so much dont let me tell you otherwise

Yeet the UwOoper.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:53 pm Porscha's actually one that I'd like some others to run through the ISO of if you have the capacity for it.
riend it's ~7 minutes until EOD and there are no votes on Porscha, it is wild that you're making these posts rn.

That was more of a legacy tbh. I didn't realize the poll counts as I'm trying to skim ISOs and stay engaged at the same time.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:53 pm ad time for me to ask but what's a legacy, just like a "before a die, here's a big post summarizing my positions on various things"?

Pretty much.

Porscha's actually one that I'd like some others to run through the ISO of if you have the capacity for it.

Just skimmed Porscha.

That'd also be a fine wagon.

anne wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:46 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:45 pm I think that there's a very good argument for Falcon being town.

Jack was using that slot it feels. I don't think I'd get that feeling if Jack was 'using' a teammate.
How was Jack "using" falcon? This doesn't even make sense, Falcon was afk half the game

Aye, and Jack kept giving a tr. The whole 'ruri/shia' red because falc 'green' was WAAAAAAAAAAAAY over the top. It screams of tmi buddying to shove 2 slots as opposed to protecting a teammate.

I think that there's a very good argument for Falcon being town.

Jack was using that slot it feels. I don't think I'd get that feeling if Jack was 'using' a teammate.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:39 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:35 pm [VOTE: Anne] aubergine

I don't like the Nook wagon still.
Due to composition, or due to Nook?

Due to Nook. His interactions with jack are kinda bad, but I still think the weight of his play makes sense for him to be town.

Just skimmed Shiavettos ISO again and I feel better about them.

They seemed pretty good with Jack vote right out of the gate.

Also everytime I think on the Anne slot, this observation scratches my brain.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:43 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:07 pm
anne wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:01 pm didn't sabi claim mason or am i tripping? its either that or she scumslipped maybe
I claim neither.

I crumbled what my role is already. I'm tracker. I tracked anne N1. My report came out with no results.
ait a second

How come sabi said "I tracked anne N1." and not "I tracked you N1."

This is a response to anne after all.

Was this written with the thread audience in mind instead of the person who asked the question? Am I overthinking this?

[VOTE: Anne] aubergine

I don't like the Nook wagon still.

anne wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:27 pm Actually I hate that Obscurity vote so much that if I die I think you just kill there right away. Okay I gotta go so no time for analysis. Creature can't read me, etc.

I mean, there was an entire day cycle to interface with them. I get it because I was busy for most of the early cycle, but I don't think the post capped player who expressed an sr voting you should get a reaction like this.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:24 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:23 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:22 pm Aye, that's it for Jack.

I think Neon looks slightly better than Porscha when considering the ISO.

Anne looks bad. Porscha looks bad. Shia I think looks bad? but that's because I think he was accepting the yeet on those interactions. Neon looks bad, but not as bad as I saw Obscurity make it out to be earlier. Obscurity looks good. Falcon looks good. I stand by Creature/Pyxxy/Seanzie clear on this.
Tell me about Anne.
Also obscurity

It feels like Jack was using Obscurity to make fake reads. It doesn't look aligned.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:23 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:22 pm Aye, that's it for Jack.

I think Neon looks slightly better than Porscha when considering the ISO.

Anne looks bad. Porscha looks bad. Shia I think looks bad? but that's because I think he was accepting the yeet on those interactions. Neon looks bad, but not as bad as I saw Obscurity make it out to be earlier. Obscurity looks good. Falcon looks good. I stand by Creature/Pyxxy/Seanzie clear on this.
Tell me about Anne.

Anne holstering vote on Jack yeet is sketchy. They didn't really push, but would be damned if they didn't get that wagon credit I feel.

Jack hard TR'd Anne d1, and if I recall correctly at this same time Mac was pushing in that direction. It makes sense that would be a team based play. The quote that makes me most uncomfortable is the one I put in spoilers above. Removing Anne/Sabi as a team for Lucy/Sabi put a town in the crossfire instead of Anne WHILE at the same time didn't necessarily refute as to why the Anne/Sabi team was incorrect.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:21 pm I think out of the current wagons, I prefer

Wilgy->Anne->Nook

Aye, just don't misyeet after me. You should probably flip Porscha/Shia before Nook.

Aye, that's it for Jack.

I think Neon looks slightly better than Porscha when considering the ISO.

Anne looks bad. Porscha looks bad. Shia I think looks bad? but that's because I think he was accepting the yeet on those interactions. Neon looks bad, but not as bad as I saw Obscurity make it out to be earlier. Obscurity looks good. Falcon looks good. I stand by Creature/Pyxxy/Seanzie clear on this.

So I'm not sure when/if Jack went into anti-spew.

If Jack was convinced he was to be yeeted around when he was interacting with Schia, I can see it coming from a teammate Jack.

So far I think this has weakened my read on Nook while enforcing reads I already had.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:40 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:36 pm Yeah this is hard, because whenever I entertain Lily town worlds, I struggle to find other suspects that I feel strongly about, like, It's true that when I open Jack ISO and stuff I don't actually find him suspect. But I did see vague sparks of Lily town in our last interaction.

I may just vote NANOOK tbh I don't find him towny at all.
I don't think wolf Nanook pulls that stuff in the middle of the day to break things up. The only time that ever happens is if he's exactly wolves with Lily.

Actually this is kinda a bad look for Nook too.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:24 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:12 pm Vote: Jack

To be great like Mac I must channel my inner Mac

Also he probably doesn't die if he's wrong about all of his other reads so Seanzie/Jack likely has one.
@obscurity

Fucking why?

Look at my exchanges with Sabi and tell me we're paired. She was my very first suspect and I pointed out scummy thing they said that nobody else did. I'm in my town meta. Some of the votes on me are nonsense gut reads but I expect better from your slot.

This is in Obscurities favor. I don't read this as a W talking to a teammate.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:10 am Fyi, I'm not hard shielding Falcon at this point. But he is the easiest to read of that trio by far and I have a townlean on him and if he really is town, we should be able to know in a phase or two so it's never worth shrug maybe red check yeeting Falcon.

heheheheh, Falcon's town.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:58 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:18 pm I have a...its not really a difference check, idk what to call it, anyways I have mech info that there's at least one mafia between ruri/schia/falcon, I think its probably ruri
So....a red on Ruri/Schia.

Wish Ruri would show up to fullclaim but that was always a long shot.

Still wanna yeet Lily. One time, Sloonei had a red check on 5 players and we burned through them and they were all town and iirc, so was Sloonei. It was...not ideal.

Meh, this is bait.

Jack may as well have said 'look at how well I'm shielding Falcon by using my previous TR on him to just outright exclude him, BUT I won't say that teeheehee"

Also I really want you to imagine that teeheehee as a young child would say it.

Jack skim

I see the easy tr supplied by Neon and then Jack even refutes it which is fun. I think it's interesting in that he didn't home in on it, but more so raised and dropped it.

Pretty early TRs on Anne.

An early TR on Falcon.

There was even a defensive argument for Anne subbing them for Lucy unless I'm misinterpreting this.

Spoiler: show

Kinda hate this, but I still think I'd be hard pressed to give a sr on Nook still:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 11:10 am I have a really stupid reason to townread Nanook and I'm not saying it out loud in case it's wrong.

Falcon mentioned here between two players I'd say are cleared is odd. I can't tell if Jack is shielding or trying to buddy up Falcon. This is also the first real read on Porscha and I think it's a pretty rough look. The wiggle room that this read provides is bad.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 11:20 am Seanzie is another player like Falcon and Creature that I feel like I can often be like "Oh, that's just town Seanzie."

I have more experience with the former two, though.

There's a whole mess of players I have meh reasons to townread and no reasons to scumread that can be summed up like "I never yeet this slot over Lily/Lucy unless something changes."

Porscha has recently moved into the former group by mirroring my Creature read. This is a much stronger reason if Creature turns out to be a wolf.

anne wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:53 pm Feel like that was pretty obvious?

Not really? You kinda just dropped the info and dropped the subject, lead me to think you were pointing to evidence of Nook lying and when it wasn't presented it just felt like a claim to discredit.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:38 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:25 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:08 pm wilgy who are the 2 wagons you'd like to see competing today
Anne by merit of claim dispute with Nook and the odd vote holster I pointed out previously. Also just a feeling of meh on the slot for two cycles. Anne didn't really contribute to the Jack yeet but was cool watching and putting the vote in later on.

Neon by merit of being generally wolfy this cycle. Notice how Neon's reason for voting me isn't "he's aligned with Jack" more so "he's not a TR". It just feels like Neon had to come up with something without actually putting anything into it. Plus there was that earlier qualm with Neons TR list being super weak opening up a strange reverse player soup.

And I mean, Falcon's just now sheeping Seanzie without actually solving himself. I still argue that Falcon not solving the game is a hard wolf tell.

I'd put you, Shia after that, then Nook maybe, but I really think that it's just town Nook.
I sheep all the time, whatchoo talkin' bout Willis?

you do, but normally there's more poke and investigatory process in who you sheep I feel.

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:38 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:00 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:06 am Lock Town; Creature - Seanzie - Ruri
Probably Town; Anne - Neon
I Think Town, though A Bit Uneasy; Pyxxy - Porscha

POE: [Nanook, Wilgy*, Schia, Falcon]

*I lean on Wilgy as town but it could be something I'm blind to that others know better on.
Swap Neon with Nook and I'm in agreement.

After digesting Porscha's push on me at start of day, I am in agreement that it's too straight forward for a wolf. When I flip the chance of them getting autoyeeted I think prevents a play like that.

Porscha goes at the back of PoE for it.
This is weird... why do you not want to take yourself out of the PoE if you are town? Lmao.

I mean, what would the point be?

It's probably better that I flip and the remainder is where we'll find wolves. Feels like a moot point.

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:42 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:25 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:08 pm wilgy who are the 2 wagons you'd like to see competing today
Anne by merit of claim dispute with Nook and the odd vote holster I pointed out previously. Also just a feeling of meh on the slot for two cycles. Anne didn't really contribute to the Jack yeet but was cool watching and putting the vote in later on.

Neon by merit of being generally wolfy this cycle. Notice how Neon's reason for voting me isn't "he's aligned with Jack" more so "he's not a TR". It just feels like Neon had to come up with something without actually putting anything into it. Plus there was that earlier qualm with Neons TR list being super weak opening up a strange reverse player soup.

And I mean, Falcon's just now sheeping Seanzie without actually solving himself. I still argue that Falcon not solving the game is a hard wolf tell.

I'd put you, Shia after that, then Nook maybe, but I really think that it's just town Nook.
Neon continues to follow the same thought process she follows every game and has explained therefore Neon is wolf

Solid.

I don't look for scum the way you think I should. That's not how I play. I don't look for pairings. I don't look for scummy behavior. That's not how I play everything is fakable I look for town of I can't find you Town your my PoE. I can't find you Town. You feel bad. You are PoE.

Aye, and that's even what I said you failed to do. Find town. Don't see what you are arguing against.

I'm caught up now. Iso time.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:21 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:32 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:33 pm how long are you going to use that stale argument before you're just a wolf, Creature?

tbh.

also yeah Falcon could be mafia.

my top townreads are now Wilgy/Schiavetto/Anne/Jack.

B)

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:54 pm and yeah my thought on jack is he will flip town but i don't oppose his flip if only to advance the game at this point.
It was you I was thinking of. You weren't pushing for Creature like Wilgy was, but I remember this post now. You're all like "Creature might be wolf" then Lucy voted Jack and you were like "uhh... maybe not". As if you WANTED WANTED WANTED to push Creature but you were more worried about your thread positioning than you should be.

And yeah, you definitely tried to save Jack.

Bad.

Obscurity has high deepwolf potential. Not worth going for today, but they should not be given a pass moving forward.
To be fair, I saw the same shit.
yeah but you went hardcore not hedge

Being confidently incorrect is part of my charm from a certain point of view.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:22 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:53 pm Yes *gestures vaguely at WIlgy's entire EoD4*

But yeah, I'll go gather then, even though yeah Wilgy was clearly thrashing yesterday.
Aye, but thrashing doesn't mean wolf Sean.

Part of me is still baffled as to Jack flipping wolf after NKing Rondo.

Like, this is not shit talk at all, but a minor criticism. The Rondo NK just feels like it was a major misplay.
yes you kept bringing up that point yesterday and like I said yesterday rondo *scumread* jack. it was not a misplay the way you think it was b/c rondo did not townread jack

Aye with hindsight yes I can see this now.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:14 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:10 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:14 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:50 pm @pyxxy Thank you

Meanwhile can I get a clearer view of your reads this game? An ordered reads' list, if possible? Your ISO jumps around a lot. You had Falcon scum but last post you seem to think Sabi spewed him town. I just would like a better idea of where your head is at, because you do scare me a little.
eally wish sloonei would update the og post for who's still alive :/

tiers ordered

strong tr:
Creature
Ruri

tr:
Neon
obscurity
Seanzie

unsure:
DrWilgy
anne
Porscha
falcon45ca

bad vibes:
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Schiavetto

So I'm willing to vote schia or nook today, I think. Re-reading sabi moved falcon out of bad vibes into unsure.

[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine
I just don't get the Nook reads. I don't think I ever see W Nook, bus for 3 days and then yoink the bus away last second.

If Nook was W, I think he's much more likely to park on rand t and not be a part of wagons.

Though Anne saying Nook doesn't have a motion detection should probably be resolved.
can't mean much to anne since she's voting you

Yeah it's odd. It's like it was thrown out there and forgotten. I don't like it tbh. Maybe Anne saw Nook getting TR's or clears for their gimmick and tried it themselves?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:08 pm wilgy who are the 2 wagons you'd like to see competing today

Anne by merit of claim dispute with Nook and the odd vote holster I pointed out previously. Also just a feeling of meh on the slot for two cycles. Anne didn't really contribute to the Jack yeet but was cool watching and putting the vote in later on.

Neon by merit of being generally wolfy this cycle. Notice how Neon's reason for voting me isn't "he's aligned with Jack" more so "he's not a TR". It just feels like Neon had to come up with something without actually putting anything into it. Plus there was that earlier qualm with Neons TR list being super weak opening up a strange reverse player soup.

And I mean, Falcon's just now sheeping Seanzie without actually solving himself. I still argue that Falcon not solving the game is a hard wolf tell.

I'd put you, Shia after that, then Nook maybe, but I really think that it's just town Nook.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:53 pm Yes *gestures vaguely at WIlgy's entire EoD4*

But yeah, I'll go gather then, even though yeah Wilgy was clearly thrashing yesterday.

Aye, but thrashing doesn't mean wolf Sean.

Part of me is still baffled as to Jack flipping wolf after NKing Rondo.

Like, this is not shit talk at all, but a minor criticism. The Rondo NK just feels like it was a major misplay.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:32 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:33 pm how long are you going to use that stale argument before you're just a wolf, Creature?

tbh.

also yeah Falcon could be mafia.

my top townreads are now Wilgy/Schiavetto/Anne/Jack.

B)

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:54 pm and yeah my thought on jack is he will flip town but i don't oppose his flip if only to advance the game at this point.
It was you I was thinking of. You weren't pushing for Creature like Wilgy was, but I remember this post now. You're all like "Creature might be wolf" then Lucy voted Jack and you were like "uhh... maybe not". As if you WANTED WANTED WANTED to push Creature but you were more worried about your thread positioning than you should be.

And yeah, you definitely tried to save Jack.

Bad.

Obscurity has high deepwolf potential. Not worth going for today, but they should not be given a pass moving forward.

To be fair, I saw the same shit.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:32 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:28 pm do the people who think Wilgy is mafia have experience with Wilgy + consider this in his range?
the only wolf wilgy game I played with him was like my second FM game ever like 10 months ago and I kept pushing him for doing an emoji gimmick in a mountainous set up cuz it's anti town and he finally gave it up but he was voted out day 3 or something

mac always be harping on "PUT RESPECK ON WILGY WOLF GAME THO" every time wilgy is town so idk

I think Mac has a thing for yeeting me.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:26 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:01 pm Dead air, dead villager. I'm not seeing much push back on a Wilgy lynch, Jack was thrashing by comparison
Jack and Wilgy were the ones thrashing, and Jack's dead. If Wilgy is a hit, then they are likely demotivated, so won't be thrashing, and the final wolf would only thrash if they were in a bad spot since in a wolf!Wilgy world, the fourth wolf being deep is their only chance at success right now.

Aye, but that's not the case.

I do hope your read shifts to "it's probably just the quiet/inconsistent ones" following this as I don't think there's a deep wolf. Everyone just being OK with my yeet I think also presents this.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:14 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:50 pm @pyxxy Thank you

Meanwhile can I get a clearer view of your reads this game? An ordered reads' list, if possible? Your ISO jumps around a lot. You had Falcon scum but last post you seem to think Sabi spewed him town. I just would like a better idea of where your head is at, because you do scare me a little.
eally wish sloonei would update the og post for who's still alive :/

tiers ordered

strong tr:
Creature
Ruri

tr:
Neon
obscurity
Seanzie

unsure:
DrWilgy
anne
Porscha
falcon45ca

bad vibes:
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Schiavetto

So I'm willing to vote schia or nook today, I think. Re-reading sabi moved falcon out of bad vibes into unsure.

[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

I just don't get the Nook reads. I don't think I ever see W Nook, bus for 3 days and then yoink the bus away last second.

If Nook was W, I think he's much more likely to park on rand t and not be a part of wagons.

Though Anne saying Nook doesn't have a motion detection should probably be resolved.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:45 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:46 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:58 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:18 pm I have a...its not really a difference check, idk what to call it, anyways I have mech info that there's at least one mafia between ruri/schia/falcon, I think its probably ruri
So....a red on Ruri/Schia.

Wish Ruri would show up to fullclaim but that was always a long shot.

Still wanna yeet Lily. One time, Sloonei had a red check on 5 players and we burned through them and they were all town and iirc, so was Sloonei. It was...not ideal.
this is kind of a weird reaction. like, if jack is with falcon, i don't think he immediately ignores the falcon part of the claim if he has TMI there, idk?
ack also completely ignores the Schia part of the fake red check.

I don't think Jack is the type of wolf to skirt around teammates by ignoring them. Once we were teammates and he decided bussing me was the correct decision at lylo when no wolves had died yet, he kinda just all ined me.

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