The Syndicate

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:33 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:29 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:26 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:25 pm She also told you all that she had mech proving I was civ. Shocking that she died. Guys, seriously?
two people outed mech that Rondo is town yet Rondo lives. isn't that weird or am I the only one saying it
It’s a bit odd, but not so odd I’d want to vote them over Kate for multiple reasons
oh fuck no we're not voting rondo!
my point was Kate is going on about how Neon had mech proving Kate was town and it's shocking that she died.

It's even more shocking that on a night when two deaths occurred, both of which were town players, the outed IC did not die. So why is Kate going on about how of course Neon is dead when there's no "of course" there at all.

Okay that makes more sense. I thought you were trying to say rondo being alive meant he was mafia.

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:31 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:29 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:26 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:25 pm She also told you all that she had mech proving I was civ. Shocking that she died. Guys, seriously?
two people outed mech that Rondo is town yet Rondo lives. isn't that weird or am I the only one saying it
It’s a bit odd, but not so odd I’d want to vote them over Kate for multiple reasons
Are you capable of making a post without mentioning me? Who are my partners?

Process of elimination it’s between

JD
Wilgy
DOOM
Falcon
Creature
Hk

I don’t think it’s Falcon, creature or Hk

Wilgy could be mafia but, he called me hard headed which was a civ point, his analysis of Dennis was spot on, and when you flip it either means he’s deep wolfing which he doesn’t typically do if I remember correctly or is town. likely he’s town.

That leave DOOM or JD.

I do town read DOOM personally so that’s an odd one I’ll need to review her posts

JD is likely mafia his focus on lucy all game + lack of content in other areas point to it.

If we’re lucky maybe there’s only 3 mafia members? But, that doesn’t seem realistic for a game this size.

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:31 pm i've finally beat the "is lucy wolfsiding?" "lucy is wolfsiding" accusations

This post seems a bit wolfsiding

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:29 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:27 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:24 pm either way kate is claiming rolecop, we always chop that pr since it's clearly not town
Yea in a soup game that’s mafia
You're next, sig. You sure you want to push me this hard? You're gonna wish you didn't.

I’m so confident you’re mafia that I don’t think I need to worry about it like I’m 100% no room for error can’t make it anymore clear confident

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:26 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:25 pm She also told you all that she had mech proving I was civ. Shocking that she died. Guys, seriously?
two people outed mech that Rondo is town yet Rondo lives. isn't that weird or am I the only one saying it

It’s a bit odd, but not so odd I’d want to vote them over Kate for multiple reasons

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:24 pm either way kate is claiming rolecop, we always chop that pr since it's clearly not town

Yea in a soup game that’s mafia

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:03 pm I was in a chat with Mac/Katie here’s what we found out/some notes I’ve jotted down I’m posting this first thing.

1. kangaroo meat is illegal to eat in California and doesn’t taste very good

2. The joint POE is Doom, dunya, hk, Wilgy, Jdizz, Kate, (not by Kate lol) Dennis, and Rondo. Rondo is the least likely out of this group.

3. The chocolate I got Kate for secret Santa was amazing

4. Giving Dunya/LPP a day since usually pretty towny (according to Mac) has a strong skill set and tries to solve doesnt slank as town. If they haven’t showcased that within the first half of the day they’re a good target to be voted off.

Smaller set of POE by Mac halfway through our chat

4. Dunya
5. Roxy
6. Kate
7. Dennis

Potentially creature this came about later in day due to his reaction to DOOM and her giving him a gun. Mac believed he didn’t know how to react thus causing his lack of posting/ignoring of DOOM

Katie did some minor role fishing, which she says wasn’t role fishing and Mac instructed me to get Kate voted off if he dies. I’m still up in the air about this though.

Mac didn’t make a second appearance after the first night this low key sketched me out and if he isn’t shot and either me or Katie die I’m 100% convinced he’s scum I’ve passed this thought to Katie also.

We also made the joint (I think) agreement that if we get to F5 and Mac is still alive he’s probably deep wolfing unless he’s lead every wagon correctly.

Reposting this here.

Mac was 100% right on Dennis so I’m continuing down the POE and voting Kate. Thankfully this clears Lucy also so two birds one stone there

Her claim doesn’t clear her at all for a few reasons.

1. Why check Lucy who everyone knew was Scrappy?

2. That doesn’t even make sense for Neon power or what she hinted so I don’t even believe that was her role. I’ve had her down as a watcher/tracker style role. Why? Because of her reaction to CR claiming he shot Jack when she very clearly watched him.

Porpoise wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:23 pm
Fish wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:58 pm
Porpoise wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:42 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:39 pm and why are they cross voting themselves with a vote floating?
Why don't you read my ISO? (mostly LPP's, just memeing with this rn since it's close to 1 am, done a lot today, and porpoises being actually a great gif source)

I am not Fish (it's sig lolz)
I was trying to play it cool and you outted me smh.
Don't vote with ur main compulsively next time! (I gotta help villager pals)

Maybe fish was just as suspicious of Kate as sig and happened to vote right after him.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:26 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:06 pm @DaughterOfOmega to confirm Kate gets a shot tonight if she votes lucy or does she just get some power
She already talked about it, read her posts.

I'm growing tired of you and I want to be able to play tomorrow so I have to stop responding.

Just like in goc, no.one listened to me then once I was dead everyone looked back, shit should have listened. You put up a great fight I'll give you that.

and all love to you outside the game!

She said the same thing about Creature who got a cop check so like let’s be sure.

@DaughterOfOmega to confirm Kate gets a shot tonight if she votes lucy or does she just get some power

Also I just did a search of the chat myself one the last content posts I had was the following list

Dennis
Creature
Dunya/LPP
JD

And I even said if Mac died I’d tunnel her.

Enter today LPP has been very civvie
Creature is essentially cleared imo via omega

JD
Dennis

Are both there still

With Kate filling a third slot

So everything she’s saying right now is 100% false

They’ll either have a failed attempt to CFD me last minute or, which is more likely, shes going to try and say I’m mafia with Dennis get me Misvoted give her and her team another day.

What will an extra day accomplish? It’ll get them one step closer to souping for one thing.

@lucy 100% put Kate down tomorrow as your target we get 2 wolves you get a win. Everyone’s happy.

(This is also for real my last post for awhile since I’m down to like 20 lol)

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:04 pm If the true town would stop and think for a minute, the reason they are pushing me now is because you all forced me to put my info into the thread.

Anyway, I won't quit til I run out of posts but

Neon is civ, Dennis is mafia.

are you saying Lucy is mafia?

That’s the only “info” you put in the thread

Neon is the last in the POE and I even said she’s not likely mafia so using that as an attack line won’t work.

And even ignoring the chat you accuse me of riding Macs coattails then you’re mad when I’m voting Dennis which was one of his top mafia reads?

You know you’re linked together in thread so you’re using an out of thread chat to try and discredit me. It won’t work you’re next and we’re down 2 wolves

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:58 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:08 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:20 pm "sig/hk/lucy/doom/creature/rondo fwiw. if you agree, help me parse kate/Neon/Dennis/Wilgy/falcon/JDizz"

leaning town on kate
JDizz prolly town too (I just like their takes/tone/derps, this slot feels gueninely hype to play fm for the first time, and I kindof see myself years ago annoyed at people repeating stuff over and over and over and over lol)

which makes the PoE looks like Neon/Dennis/Wilgy/falcon.

I am not really happy with it tbh. Prolly contains 2 wolves (imo Dennis is outed). falcon I need to read more, I just remember him tuneling Wilgy. Wilgy I need to give more thoughts.

kate is prolly self-resolving out of Dennis flip.

so if I let scum slides into my towncore, it's prolly within hk (reeval D4 imo) or lucy (lol)
kate/Neon/Dennis/Wilgy/falcon/JDizz"

So out of these in order to most to lease

1 Dennis
2. Kate
3. Wilgy
4. JD
5. falcon
6. Neon

I think Falcon is a really hard slot to read but Mac had him as a town read and I think he’s more within town range then mafia range

Neon was an iffy town read for me but her switching to Dennis and burying the axe with Lucy skyrocketed her imo to the town core.

JD: he has that town tone I agree and it’s his first game but he hasn’t done a lot game wise but focused on lucy. I also think Lucy town cleared him way to early.

First 2 I’m 95% sure they’re both mafia
Wilgy I’m like 80% sure.

Contender for deep wolf would be HK? But, his tone seems pure
It's hilarious that you now add neon, who is all but a confirmed civilian and falcon who, when I mentioned him in chat, mac flipped out as me picking on LHF and you agreed.

And what you said about tiptoeing around Dennis is a bald faced lie. I did a search for "dennis" in the chat thread and only me and Mac mentioned him and I called you on it. So now you're saying I am the one who made that up?? Wow. I wonder why you weren't the one who said it first...hmm

Did you miss when I

1. Said he was pocketing me
2. Had him in all my POEa
3.said in thread ages before you did at the beginning of this phase he was in the POE
4. Liked Macs messages saying he was mafia?

Not to mention you claim you thought he was mafia but stayed on Lucy claiming TMI until it didn’t pick up steam and then after Dennis was leading you voted there.

That isn’t cov behavior and your attempts to gaslight the thread and set me up as the next vote won’t work.

Also the try hard piece is weird and out of place of course I’m trying hard we’ve got this game basically solved and I’m hyped to win. That’s a very very mafia take.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:32 pm lets see if creature breaks the tie

I like this move good way to out mafia (and stress lucy out

)

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:17 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:08 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:20 pm "sig/hk/lucy/doom/creature/rondo fwiw. if you agree, help me parse kate/Neon/Dennis/Wilgy/falcon/JDizz"

leaning town on kate
JDizz prolly town too (I just like their takes/tone/derps, this slot feels gueninely hype to play fm for the first time, and I kindof see myself years ago annoyed at people repeating stuff over and over and over and over lol)

which makes the PoE looks like Neon/Dennis/Wilgy/falcon.

I am not really happy with it tbh. Prolly contains 2 wolves (imo Dennis is outed). falcon I need to read more, I just remember him tuneling Wilgy. Wilgy I need to give more thoughts.

kate is prolly self-resolving out of Dennis flip.

so if I let scum slides into my towncore, it's prolly within hk (reeval D4 imo) or lucy (lol)
kate/Neon/Dennis/Wilgy/falcon/JDizz"

So out of these in order to most to lease

1 Dennis
2. Kate
3. Wilgy
4. JD
5. falcon
6. Neon

I think Falcon is a really hard slot to read but Mac had him as a town read and I think he’s more within town range then mafia range

Neon was an iffy town read for me but her switching to Dennis and burying the axe with Lucy skyrocketed her imo to the town core.

JD: he has that town tone I agree and it’s his first game but he hasn’t done a lot game wise but focused on lucy. I also think Lucy town cleared him way to early.

First 2 I’m 95% sure they’re both mafia
Wilgy I’m like 80% sure.

Contender for deep wolf would be HK? But, his tone seems pure
tx for the perspective sig, it helps. (still reading falcon fwiw)

"I also think Lucy town cleared him way too early" -> maybe. My read is surface level anyway, but I am prolly not going there today. (funny how I'd read this differently in a different setup tbh. but no, I am not tinfoiling lucy aorn)

Yup no problem.

And agreed normally I’d say it’s TMI, here I think her read makes sense in a vacuum, but we’ve got other mafia members who’d be able to coach/help him if needed and he did try to push Lucy which was one of the barometers of town reading him.

Granted he’s not at the top of my list as far as I’m concerned pending a red check the next 2 phases are planned out and I plan to do an in depth post showcasing the connection between Kate/Dennis.

Also I’m now down to like 30 posts so expect less of me for today I want to have some posts in reserves for EOD since I’d not be shocked if mafia try to pull off a flash wagon

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:11 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:38 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:13 pm Alright @sig, at least DoO replied to it, but you called my bias review and explanation bad while not interacting with the actual VCA I did. You then were called out on this and then you went to post afew more times without actually doing so.
Well I think it’s odd you ignored lucy voters for one thing.

I also don’t think VCA works until we have flips it kinda just seems like you’re attempting to create content and be active without saying much.

on the flip side I think you’re right on Dennis and Kate. So I’d not want to see you voted off over the next two phases.
we do have flips though, we have plenty of greens and knowledge of who voted those greens. Realizing that 5 people being 'wrong' is weird and weighing that is very important.

RE ignored Lucy voters, what do you mean? As you see I was a Lucy voter. Lucy is unflipped and doesn't have nearly as much of a weight due to self preservation. What little voteweight Lucy has is shared with Dennis for the d1 badvotes.

Dunya voters also have somewhat less data because Dunya is still unflipped AND the onlything adding value to that wagon in isolation is that Mac was green and on it.

Well none where colored in then I realized why. Ooosies

But with the Lucy part do you really think they’re all civs on that wagon? I might be a bit confused about your voting analysis.

I’m good to vote off Kate and prove I’m town next phase. This phase I’m committed to the Dennis wagon and really that’s since both are mafia in my mind and this helps Lucy so win win as long as we vote off Kate tomorrow.

I’d also not be shocked if i was NKd since I’m mainly pushing the Kate vote so If I am make sure to pursue it.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:14 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:08 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:20 pm "sig/hk/lucy/doom/creature/rondo fwiw. if you agree, help me parse kate/Neon/Dennis/Wilgy/falcon/JDizz"

leaning town on kate
JDizz prolly town too (I just like their takes/tone/derps, this slot feels gueninely hype to play fm for the first time, and I kindof see myself years ago annoyed at people repeating stuff over and over and over and over lol)

which makes the PoE looks like Neon/Dennis/Wilgy/falcon.

I am not really happy with it tbh. Prolly contains 2 wolves (imo Dennis is outed). falcon I need to read more, I just remember him tuneling Wilgy. Wilgy I need to give more thoughts.

kate is prolly self-resolving out of Dennis flip.

so if I let scum slides into my towncore, it's prolly within hk (reeval D4 imo) or lucy (lol)
kate/Neon/Dennis/Wilgy/falcon/JDizz"

So out of these in order to most to lease

1 Dennis
2. Kate
3. Wilgy
4. JD
5. falcon
6. Neon

I think Falcon is a really hard slot to read but Mac had him as a town read and I think he’s more within town range then mafia range

Neon was an iffy town read for me but her switching to Dennis and burying the axe with Lucy skyrocketed her imo to the town core.

JD: he has that town tone I agree and it’s his first game but he hasn’t done a lot game wise but focused on lucy. I also think Lucy town cleared him way to early.

First 2 I’m 95% sure they’re both mafia
Wilgy I’m like 80% sure.

Contender for deep wolf would be HK? But, his tone seems pure
Your vague "I think Wilgy is Mafia" and "I have reasons but I expect Wilgy to do something and will wait and see." Do not inspire confidence. I don't think you are wolf as it's much more likely in Kate, but I think it's worth to express this concern.

But, if I tell you my reasons then you can act that way and get cleared While being mafia

If you had to pick four who are the last 2?

Katie, Dennis, and who else

@Creature @hollowkatt

If you had to pick one of the two wagons which would you go with

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:20 pm "sig/hk/lucy/doom/creature/rondo fwiw. if you agree, help me parse kate/Neon/Dennis/Wilgy/falcon/JDizz"

leaning town on kate
JDizz prolly town too (I just like their takes/tone/derps, this slot feels gueninely hype to play fm for the first time, and I kindof see myself years ago annoyed at people repeating stuff over and over and over and over lol)

which makes the PoE looks like Neon/Dennis/Wilgy/falcon.

I am not really happy with it tbh. Prolly contains 2 wolves (imo Dennis is outed). falcon I need to read more, I just remember him tuneling Wilgy. Wilgy I need to give more thoughts.

kate is prolly self-resolving out of Dennis flip.

so if I let scum slides into my towncore, it's prolly within hk (reeval D4 imo) or lucy (lol)

kate/Neon/Dennis/Wilgy/falcon/JDizz"

So out of these in order to most to lease

1 Dennis
2. Kate
3. Wilgy
4. JD
5. falcon
6. Neon

I think Falcon is a really hard slot to read but Mac had him as a town read and I think he’s more within town range then mafia range

Neon was an iffy town read for me but her switching to Dennis and burying the axe with Lucy skyrocketed her imo to the town core.

JD: he has that town tone I agree and it’s his first game but he hasn’t done a lot game wise but focused on lucy. I also think Lucy town cleared him way to early.

First 2 I’m 95% sure they’re both mafia
Wilgy I’m like 80% sure.

Contender for deep wolf would be HK? But, his tone seems pure

quote=Kate post_id=1028015 time=1678730072 user_id=155]

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:36 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:13 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:59 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:43 pm dennis’s interactions with you are bad

and you sr him in the night

what’s towny however is the fact you got some inconclusive mech and tunneled me and protected him based off it, off the assumption

you dove off the deep end expecting mech to vindicate you, you did it in a way which indicates you don’t have tmi that dennis would flip scum because according to most and old me you’d be the lynch after dennis pretty easily and i don’t think you’d willingly play like that

tldr you don’t have tmi he’ll flip mafia
I totally disagree with this take.

Especially with Mac dying at night after he said he’d push her.

I think she was trying to play a distance game with him and now that it’s clear that won’t work she’s throwing him under the bus for civ credit.

I’ll answer your other post in a bit (after work)
Is that really honestly what you think sig? Bc I remember it was you who refused to engage in dennis talk overnight. Remember I searched the thread and it was just me and Mac talking about it. And when I asked you. You said wait, I put him in my poe.

Yeah.
My first post regarding Dennis was saying he was pocketing me
Which you pushed back on.

I also consistently agreed with Mac that he was mafia why are your mafia and trying to create a false narrative to get me misvoted after Dennis flips since you have TMI on him.

Why don't you stop trying to ride mac's coattails and speak for yourself?
[/quote]

This 100% reads like a frustrated mafia member who’s made their kill backfired.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:56 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:42 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:19 pm fuck i’ve townsided too much, i should’ve pushed kate tomorrow regardless of what alignment she was ugh
Lucy you’re 100% wrong here Kate is mafia and is shifting strategies and attempting to pocket you and set my wagon up for tomorrow.

Her last post solidified that for me.

She and Dennis had a weird approach to each other all game.

She refused to vote for him at the beginning of the day instead claiming TMI that she refuses to share on Lucy

Suddenly when the Dennis flip becomes likely after both myself and LPP lock into the wagon she votes there and tries to say I was against voting off Dennis in the group chat (I wasn’t)

This is all on top of Mac wanting her to be voted off if she was mafia.

Notice mafia killed Mac he’s gone, she tries to save Dennis by going for Lucy. Once Neon moves off lucy that plan is gone, suddenly she’s good with voting Dennis and since she has TMI is trying to set me up for tomorrow.

And see she’s attempting to brush it off by not answering another classic move for mafia

the only reason I’m not pushing Kate over Dennis is because they’re both mafia in my mind and we might as well help Lucy right now.

If in some world Dennis flips town then Kate is town otherwise she’s 100% mafia with TMI.

This explains their thread interactions and how she tiptoed around him in the chat. Plus the fact she’s trying to pivot and say I’m scummy for not talking about Dennis in the chat is a blatant lie and never makes sense in a world where she’s town.

Also I’ll confirm now that creature has confirmed what he did it was Mac that shot Chihiro

I’ve got one other reason to think Wilgy is mafia and this one is 100% rock solid metal but imma wait a bit and see if he does it or not

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:45 pm neither you or lpp are getting wagoned tomorrow, chillax

Oh Ik, this isn’t me freaking out this is me busting the game open and being hyped

Also also

Notice how Wilgy becomes very active only when he/Dennis/Kate start getting attention?

Notice how he’s scum reading me but also Kate and then Kate starts to push me?

Wolves are trying to do a coordinated effort to clear 2/3 and potentially save Dennis.

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:05 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:03 pm I was in a chat with Mac/Katie here’s what we found out/some notes I’ve jotted down I’m posting this first thing.

1. kangaroo meat is illegal to eat in California and doesn’t taste very good

2. The joint POE is Doom, dunya, hk, Wilgy, Jdizz, Kate, (not by Kate lol) Dennis, and Rondo. Rondo is the least likely out of this group.

3. The chocolate I got Kate for secret Santa was amazing

4. Giving Dunya/LPP a day since usually pretty towny (according to Mac) has a strong skill set and tries to solve doesnt slank as town. If they haven’t showcased that within the first half of the day they’re a good target to be voted off.

Smaller set of POE by Mac halfway through our chat

4. Dunya
5. Roxy
6. Kate
7. Dennis

Potentially creature this came about later in day due to his reaction to DOOM and her giving him a gun. Mac believed he didn’t know how to react thus causing his lack of posting/ignoring of DOOM

Katie did some minor role fishing, which she says wasn’t role fishing and Mac instructed me to get Kate voted off if he dies. I’m still up in the air about this though.

Mac didn’t make a second appearance after the first night this low key sketched me out and if he isn’t shot and either me or Katie die I’m 100% convinced he’s scum I’ve passed this thought to Katie also.

We also made the joint (I think) agreement that if we get to F5 and Mac is still alive he’s probably deep wolfing unless he’s lead every wagon correctly.
I agree with this post.

She also agreed with this post where it clearly states who the joint POE was. So trying to link me to Dennis is bad very bad.

We vote off Dennis today, give Lucy that kill and very likely hit mafia

Tomorrow we vote off Kate she flips mafia and we’re down 2 mafia players, Lucy is gone so that gets resolved, and we just narrow down the POE from there

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:19 pm fuck i’ve townsided too much, i should’ve pushed kate tomorrow regardless of what alignment she was ugh

Lucy you’re 100% wrong here Kate is mafia and is shifting strategies and attempting to pocket you and set my wagon up for tomorrow.

Her last post solidified that for me.

She and Dennis had a weird approach to each other all game.

She refused to vote for him at the beginning of the day instead claiming TMI that she refuses to share on Lucy

Suddenly when the Dennis flip becomes likely after both myself and LPP lock into the wagon she votes there and tries to say I was against voting off Dennis in the group chat (I wasn’t)

This is all on top of Mac wanting her to be voted off if she was mafia.

Notice mafia killed Mac he’s gone, she tries to save Dennis by going for Lucy. Once Neon moves off lucy that plan is gone, suddenly she’s good with voting Dennis and since she has TMI is trying to set me up for tomorrow.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:13 pm Alright @sig, at least DoO replied to it, but you called my bias review and explanation bad while not interacting with the actual VCA I did. You then were called out on this and then you went to post afew more times without actually doing so.

Well I think it’s odd you ignored lucy voters for one thing.

I also don’t think VCA works until we have flips it kinda just seems like you’re attempting to create content and be active without saying much.

on the flip side I think you’re right on Dennis and Kate. So I’d not want to see you voted off over the next two phases.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:13 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:59 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:43 pm dennis’s interactions with you are bad

and you sr him in the night

what’s towny however is the fact you got some inconclusive mech and tunneled me and protected him based off it, off the assumption

you dove off the deep end expecting mech to vindicate you, you did it in a way which indicates you don’t have tmi that dennis would flip scum because according to most and old me you’d be the lynch after dennis pretty easily and i don’t think you’d willingly play like that

tldr you don’t have tmi he’ll flip mafia
I totally disagree with this take.

Especially with Mac dying at night after he said he’d push her.

I think she was trying to play a distance game with him and now that it’s clear that won’t work she’s throwing him under the bus for civ credit.

I’ll answer your other post in a bit (after work)
Is that really honestly what you think sig? Bc I remember it was you who refused to engage in dennis talk overnight. Remember I searched the thread and it was just me and Mac talking about it. And when I asked you. You said wait, I put him in my poe.

Yeah.

My first post regarding Dennis was saying he was pocketing me
Which you pushed back on.

I also consistently agreed with Mac that he was mafia why are your mafia and trying to create a false narrative to get me misvoted after Dennis flips since you have TMI on him.

I’m also seeing LPP broke the tie it looks like for Dennis.

Anyone after a tie breaker doesn’t get civ points in my book.

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:43 pm dennis’s interactions with you are bad

and you sr him in the night

what’s towny however is the fact you got some inconclusive mech and tunneled me and protected him based off it, off the assumption

you dove off the deep end expecting mech to vindicate you, you did it in a way which indicates you don’t have tmi that dennis would flip scum because according to most and old me you’d be the lynch after dennis pretty easily and i don’t think you’d willingly play like that

tldr you don’t have tmi he’ll flip mafia

I totally disagree with this take.

Especially with Mac dying at night after he said he’d push her.

I think she was trying to play a distance game with him and now that it’s clear that won’t work she’s throwing him under the bus for civ credit.

I’ll answer your other post in a bit (after work)

@DaughterOfOmega is this the same as the power you gave creature and why did you pick Kate?

Also can you explain DOM being the best wagon?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:08 pm An explanation of biases at this point:
I very much think DoO is the best yeet as it stands.

Sig OR Kate are tolerable options as well. I do not know why but I think I would like to flip Sig in spite of the wolfweight pointing that Kate would be the better flip. Perhaps Sig's new gutsto when it comes to mafia has me wavering at a gut fear read.

HK is a tolerable option. I do think that if a wolf was found on Chihiro, HK has the greater of wolfweights.

It is VERY hard for me to see a world where this is wolf Falcon. Again, as I think I've expressed the past 3 games. Town Falcon is a very easy read as wolf Falcon is just miserable doing so. That is not happening this game.

Ooo I don’t like this post.

Are you trying to save some teammates Wilgy.

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:39 am here are some facts

1) dennis wasn’t poe or suspected yesterday, so like if i wasn’t genuinely or accurately solving i could have never picked him
2) i need control to lynch and town to participate, so it only makes sense for me to townside because if i pick an obvious fucking town i’ll get fucked trying to push them. if i pick a wolf town participates and the lynch after that is free reign
3) neon locktown with possible mech on kate
4) you fuckers don’t want me around d4-5 no matter what happens, if we chain dennis->kate i leave the game and will have two pelts and have no issues with town

tldr dennis->kate here
tkdr i’m accurately and genuinely solving and not picking lhf from previous day and i’m incentived to pick mafia

I 100% support this, as the voting order, and realistically I want Lucy gone asap. If she’s gone and can help us take out 2 mafia members that’s a win win. Unless Dennis flips town then I’d have to reconsider some things.

If he flips mafia and assuming four

Dennis
Katie
JD
Wilgy

Seem to be the likely team.

With the potential for HK/Neon/LPP as a more deep wolf, but without info those 3 wouldn’t be touched until after we get through the POE

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:38 am I'd expect Scotty to announce jesters might be in for this to not be considered a bastard game. tbh

I don’t think there’s a jester and if there was Wilgy wouldn’t be playing that way.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:46 am and to be perfectly clear, I do think lucy is solving rn and not in my immediate POE.

Yea agreed with this.

My view of Lucy has always been if she’s solving and posting let her be, don’t trust her reads as being like 100% right or maybe even genuine but given that she came to the same conclusion of at least a portion of town on Dennis/Kate that means she’s being genuine my mind.

Also look if Dennis or Kate is voted off today and they flip mafia she’s solidly town sided.

I’ll also say that I’m very concerned that Kate is so solidly focused on Lucy, after she (Kate) said Dennis was mafia in our chat. And Lucy is on Dennis?

Just popping in really quick between work calls.

@Neon blink twice if Lucy kidnapped you or if you’ve been abducted by aliens

Seriously though glad to see for the time being neon has reached the same conclusion that myself and Mac did regarding the slot. I think we can get a lot more done without having two pro towny people go at it.

I honestly think we might have a wagon between 3 mafias right now, but just to see what happens I’ll tie it with a vote to Dennis.

I will say overall right now I like that he’s posting period compared with Wilgy, but I need to do a reread of said posts.

I wish Kate had less content based around Lucy and more around other stuff but she’s still in the tunnel.

LPP is only mafia if Dennis/Kate are civ if one or both are mafia (I don’t really see a world where one is mafia and not the other) he’s 100% cleared in my mind. Right now he’s like 80% cleared and solid town core.

@DaughterOfOmega what’s the deal with HK?

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:37 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:34 pm Are you trying to hint that you and Mac had a BTSC going
no it was a probabilistic argument, two of the strongest townies arriving at the same exact answer and thoughts drastically decrease the chance that we're wrong and boost the chance that we are correct

Okay just making sure also I’m slowing down on posts for the night.

I’ll be reviewing the game tonight/tomorrow some more.

Whatever happens I’m not planning to vote for Lucy today, but I definitely see where Neon is coming from and it doesn’t read as mafia to me.

Having said that there’s at least one mafia member who’s hyper focused on Lucy potentially 2. This is what keeps bringing me back to Kate and JD

If Kate is mafia the game is basically solved in my mind.
If Dennis is mafia the game is clouded a bit more, but we’ve caught 2/3-5 mafia members.

I think overall town is in a great place we’ve got a very small POE we just can’t get sidetracked like we did beginning of last phase

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:28 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:27 pm Switching to Katie l for the time being
1) how much scum hunting did kate do in ur night chat
2) how easily did she claim?

I’d say it was more floating rather than hunting we each had a POE that we discussed and she floated some LHF (falcon and DOOM) outside of those 2 we agreed on the rest.

She actually didn’t claim, but tried to get a claim from mac on who he was vigging, the weird part here is we agreed not to claim due to soup then she fished a bit more.

My biggest issue with her right now and why I moved onto her is she generally agreed on a POE including Dennis yet is voting for you.

Plus mac wanted her gone.

You don’t need to lead me to a Kate vote, once Mac flipped that made it very likely I’d be voting there. Are you trying to hint that you and Mac had a BTSC going

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:27 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:24 pm Also I’m not a fan that she claimed a sock account that LPP also claimed?
me and le petite twink had a night chat, i thought it'd be funny to claim another sock

secondly don't you think it's odd that my d2 reads aligned with mac and we both pushed kate/dennis to oblivion in the night and came to the same conclusion independently

also yeah i plan to brutally case them and i assure you that you won't be alone

Odd in what sense? And cool.

Switching to Katie l for the time being

Also I’m not a fan that she claimed a sock account that LPP also claimed?

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:20 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:41 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:32 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:27 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:26 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:22 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:18 pm Sup, taking over dunya's slot
Hey, I’d recommend a quick browse. Skip the Lucy/third party drama, skip the neon/CR fight, major focus around the EOD/second part of D2 and eod of D1
Tx. I have read dunya, Dennis, Seanzie, and part of HK. Was going through it when I realised this was starting one hour earlier than expected.

I have a few read I won't disclose rn.

Nice early solving energy. That’s a big civ point for use
lolol. can u give me ur stance on lucy/scrappy? has it evolved?

Yea so pre knowing it was Lucy I was good to see the slot get voted off. That’s mainly since Scrappy was only kind of town siding.

I figured out through Scrappys post that she was Lucy fairly early into D1, that eased a lot of tension for 2 reasons

1. We can vote off Lucy if she scum sides which will remove the threat

2. She was actually civ siding to a degree

I also think mafia are using that wagon to keep distracting people.

Right now Lucy was annoying me a tiny bit last phase, but after she got active again and talking with Mac I’m good to leave her alive.

Especially with her only needing one kill left to win. I’d say she should pick within the POE for tomorrow and we’ll be good to go. I also think there was a mafia member on her wagon last phase
Bruh...

I’m trying to be pragmatic about her slot, but like you’re also making some good points right now.

I want to see the consensus on Dennis before I make up my mind and if nobody else but Lucy is pushing him I likely won’t end my vote. I’d much rather go with Kate atm.

The days young though I’m trying to balance my own in game thoughts with Ferris wheel convo with Mac.

His view was she’d do what was best for her but right now is town siding.

I think I need to see a good solid case against Dennis from her

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:14 pm Chihiros info does exist but it simply doesn't clear Chihiro and I refused to out it because all it would do is harm another player. I will continue to refuse to out it unless necessary but there IS a reason why my reads list includes the town reads on the people involved in this action. I shouldn't need to out info that will inherently harm town I should be able to soft confirmation of your role without you attacking me and it does make me more wary of Chihiro because although it makes no sense to use the ability on me if Chihiro is scum it does feel like they could be pushing for info that will help scum through me

Chihiro is dead so yea no reason to out it unless it catches a mafia member 100%

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:11 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:04 pm Well ignore those points about Mac

@Neon please please please don’t burn your post count today
Good luck lol

Lol this is why I keep town reading you.

General thoughts though?

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:35 pm @Creature can you confirm DoOm's stuff pls?

@sig: I see pyxxy sussing DoOm too before EOD. Prolly something to keep in mind if it gets ugly.

Good call out.

They’re definitely scum in waiting especially if they lied about their roll which I’m still waiting on an answer from either creature or DOOM about it.

Since she said she gave out a shot, creature said she gave out a check?

@hollowkatt @Creature

2 questions

1. Why are you both on Wilgy

2 you both town read Dennis right? Going into D3 what are your thoughts on him and Kate

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:19 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:17 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:15 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:01 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:59 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:56 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:54 pm

If you look at the big annoying post I made there is a difference between "town" and "townlean" and "town" means "townread"
okay but my question is why have you consistently defended kate d1/2 while she's only a townlean and you're not confident she's town + there's doubt that she's town from your point of view
Cause I am confident she's town. There's always doubt from my point of view that someone is scum and that's why I always get called hedgy (see that one post you screenshotted where I said but like 400 times in goc) because I always have doubts. The doubt is smaller than most people this game.
ty for defending yourself, now it'll be fun to case you
Yah okay I'll just sit down and die instead

I'm too invested in this game to just let you push me so aggressively and completely drive the thread into a choice between me and kate. I don't think you're townsiding anymore.

Why are you voting lucy if you want it to be a Kate vs you then
I don't??? I literally said there that I'm NOT about to just let thread get driven there.

Ooops misread the post.

Well even more reason to make it a choice between Kate and Dennis then

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:15 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:01 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:59 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:56 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:54 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:52 pm my push on kate was just to see dennis defend her and that's been cleverly displayed where dennis hard defends his TOWNLEAN not TOWNREAD LMAO
If you look at the big annoying post I made there is a difference between "town" and "townlean" and "town" means "townread"
okay but my question is why have you consistently defended kate d1/2 while she's only a townlean and you're not confident she's town + there's doubt that she's town from your point of view
Cause I am confident she's town. There's always doubt from my point of view that someone is scum and that's why I always get called hedgy (see that one post you screenshotted where I said but like 400 times in goc) because I always have doubts. The doubt is smaller than most people this game.
ty for defending yourself, now it'll be fun to case you
Yah okay I'll just sit down and die instead

I'm too invested in this game to just let you push me so aggressively and completely drive the thread into a choice between me and kate. I don't think you're townsiding anymore.

Why are you voting lucy if you want it to be a Kate vs you then

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:07 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:04 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:57 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:52 pm I'm not wasting all of my posts on you
can you point me to some posts that you didn't waste on me/dennis

your focus is extraordinarily small and explicitly on me, i don't know if you scumread anyone or have tried to fucking suspect mafia lmao

why are you trying to kill third party and have stopped solving for mafia entirely?
I spent all night trying to do that. And you are gonna just hijack the thread again and have everyone fall in line. I'd love to hear even one person who knows me say I'm anywhere near my wold meta. And why haven't I found a wolf??? Why haven't you? Why hasn't anybody?? That's just silly.
i have 3 votes and petite twink and petite twink (sig) make 5

of course i'm hijacking the thread in the exact way i do as town

out your mech and enjoy my tunnel

the fun part is that my reads were exactly the same as mac's which drastically destroys your credibility since we're both scary as they come in the town alignment

enlighten me on your wolfreads in the night

I’m more of a twunk tyvm

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:04 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:58 pm If creature, doom, LPP, and Rondo are all town that means neon has to be mafia.

I’m still town reading her, but I need to see more this phase
crea/DoOm are either ww or tt. I am leaning the later fwiw. (sheeping dunyas and mindmelding with some reads tbh)

Neon I only read the earlier stuff about scrappy, needs to read

Neon was town to me for tone mainly, but since then she used her entire post count within literally the first maybe 6 hours fighting with CR for day 2 and hasn’t done a lot (or any) scum hunting.

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