The Syndicate

Chihiro wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:46 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:15 pm Okay so; the crux of the slip starts here.

But, I’m confused since I’m like pretty sure the locations are tied to Indy monsters from the episodes you’re trying to argue they’re not?

You’re second post about it also backs up the idea that she knew monsters were town and y’all are just debating whether or not the location is randomized.
Actually at the time I knew I was monster, but I hadnt given my location a thorough look at. When I did it was easy to tell locations werent randomized, before that I kinda just assumed they were randomized.

Okay, that makes sense.

I don’t really think either of you slipped for a few reason chiefly since it seems like 99% of the time “slips” aren’t real and just paranoid townies voting off other townies.

I’m tempted to say based off both your reactions it was t/t, but I’d like to see more from Pyxxy regarding my thoughts on the slip before going that far

Chihiro wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:45 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:57 pm Yup I always try to respond to notifications/search my name first, then I read the most recent posts, then I go back and do a catch up. I’m used to being chronically behind in high volume games so for me it makes the most sense to address anything I’m engaging on vs going through pages or random stuff. Granted this game is pretty low key so that won’t be an issue here, but that’s standard NAI practice for me
Ok if someone else can confirm this is true, then i am fine with that.

I confirm it’s true.

Thanks Sig! I’m glad you confirmed that what I said was true.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:40 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:26 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:22 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:16 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:11 pm I just want to take a moment to define how much of a pleasure it is to play Mafia with all of you.

Y'all the rest GOATS.
I would have more pleasure if y'all didn't make this game hard by not playing.
Oh, I'm definitely playing. Just trying something new.

A modified version of Wilgy I'd call this.

Critical Slank Wilgy 12%.

I've tried Ultra Flow Wilgy v.2.31 afew times now and I've not noticed positive results.

This may be more akin to GoC Wilgy if not the Wilgy you see who subs into games.
Thus is a NAI post.

Wilgy and myself are very similar when it comes to the ability to switch on and off seriousness in games. I’d say it’s a good reason for newer players to sus him for it, but anyone familiar with his meta would get a big from me for doing it
Don't you butter me up like some fine lunch plate for someone to consume on a tuesday at approximately 1:03 PM EST on the day March 7th of the Gregorian calendar with a side of sausage and cold-smoked caviar.

I’m actually Hannibal lector so the doctors gotta be eaten

Buuuuuut I’m seriously eyeing you for that non called out vote especially after I accurately described your meta seems a bit wolfy

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:51 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:21 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:14 pm Wow I can't believe how much time has passed since i watched a Scooby Doo skit. I feel ancient.
Honestly I only played online Scooby Doo games.

Sadly I was born too late to Scooby Doo and today's reboots are shit.
The newest Scooby Doo is just fine. Don't be a stick in the mud. In fact, I'd put it above everything post Scrappy Doo's introduction and the Simple Plan 2002ish cartoon is also solid.

This right here should I be a policy lynch

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:06 pm
Chihiro wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:41 pm What an interesting gimmick to begin the game with. Are we actually gonna vote on a location or just yolo it like disjointed towns people?
This is the only thing that really pings me P1. Could be one of those "I am a wolf so I need to say that I am town" tendencies. Very minor but worth noting.

Kate seems pretty townie on P1. Like friendly. Idk Kate super well. Could be fakable but again, worth noting.

Chihiro wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:45 pm*snip*
Not sure how I feel about someone talking about third party at the start of the game, no mafia aligned player would risk doing that this early right?
This feels self conscious. Could be wolf indicative. Could just be how Chihiro is.

By halfway down P2, Creature feels like town Creature, multiposting and complainy. I know this should be easy to fake but wolf Creature tends to like not be good at faking this so I'm willing to run with it until Creature proves me wrong.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:42 pm *snip*

On a serious note, I 100% bet Scrabby is a third party role I’m thinking in like with the character from Rico’s Courage game awhile back. Basically a player posts as both themselves and scrabby.

Or if we wanna include movie verse then scrappy is a mafia member since in the first movie he was the main villain
This is a weird thing for Sig to say. Feels like he's saying he doesn't know that villains are town. Townies and wolves should both know this, implying he's 3P. He also talks about 3P in this very post so it's on the brain. Decent chance that's Sig's alignment.

Look I don’t want to deep dive into Scooby Doo lore here, but technically just since he was a villain doesn’t mean he was a monster which he wasn’t, the monsters are town scrappy was a villain and not a monster it makes sense for him to be either third party or a mafia handle.

Also look this is just dumb this was a very early post without any info and it’s weird y’all are trying to harp on it.

I’m now after interacting with them convinced they’re third party and I’ll likely move to another wagon

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:22 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:16 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:11 pm I just want to take a moment to define how much of a pleasure it is to play Mafia with all of you.

Y'all the rest GOATS.
I would have more pleasure if y'all didn't make this game hard by not playing.
Oh, I'm definitely playing. Just trying something new.

A modified version of Wilgy I'd call this.

Critical Slank Wilgy 12%.

I've tried Ultra Flow Wilgy v.2.31 afew times now and I've not noticed positive results.

This may be more akin to GoC Wilgy if not the Wilgy you see who subs into games.

Thus is a NAI post.

Wilgy and myself are very similar when it comes to the ability to switch on and off seriousness in games. I’d say it’s a good reason for newer players to sus him for it, but anyone familiar with his meta would get a big

from me for doing it

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:16 am Neon/Sig probably not w/w voting on Scraggy. Again, it's too blatant for 2 mafia to vote on the same slot together. Yes I'm aware Scraggy is a 3p claim, yet why do 2 mafia vote on the same slot who isn't on their team together D1? Answer: They don't.

I don’t like these style of posts so early. I always read these as an attempt by mafia to set up multiple votes especially if you pair it with TMI.

For example both myself and Neon are town. One of us flips town the next natural step is to vote for the other boom two days wasted.

Granted he’s not pushing those yet so it isn’t a major red flag but like a tiny yellow one

Chihiro wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:14 am Those who haven't done much need to you know do more.

Also I only seen one of neons scum game and it wasn't that amazing. I am not seeing it here currently but they havent been hard pushed yet for me to notice anything. It might be best to pressure the slot to see how they handle it.

I havent seen Neon as scum what’s her normal meta?

Having said that I think she reads as very genuine when town and I’m seeing that here so I don’t scum read her at all

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:35 pm Jack is underwhelming so far. I am kinda considering we should maybe just vote him and force him to do something especially if he's town who wants to remain unmislynchable.

I can’t recall the last time I played with Jack but I was also expecting a bit more in terms of content. Though that’s likely NAI

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:32 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:30 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:27 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:22 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:07 pm Yay for town working together even if it was in the shadows

I still find you sus tho Chihiro, sorry
[VOTE: Chihiro] aubergine
So what did this fine fellow do? Please explain.
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Hmmm...

I like this. [VOTE: Chihiro] aubergine.

Also turns out votes are changeable, so that's nice.
DrWilgy might be a wolf.

Why?

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:31 pm Roxy's ISO feels awkward. Is Roxy really good at wolfing or do you all just get pocketed by their posts for lol reasons?

With Roxy i think it can both be really easy and really hard to read her. I very much base my reads off tone when it comes to her, and she’s really good as a wolf building cases I’d say. Granted, it’s been awhile since I’ve seen her wolf game, but I can tell you when she’s town I can pretty clearly tell by day 2/3.

Right now I’m not seeing that, but I don’t think she’d be a good day 1 wagon

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:38 pm Seanzie also only talked about Scrappy Doo and looks different from his town games.

He does look different I’m getting the same vibes as his recent mafia games. Having said that I might also be OMGUS a bit which is common for me.

Though like I said before I think him trying to divert a wagon onto either Neon or me is a clear sign we’ve got a wolf among the other two.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:10 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:51 pm Also Sean’s case falls apart given that Scrappy claimed third party ergo it can’t be a slip in any direction?

Either way I really don’t like the diverting attempt and when I finally do ISO he’s gonna be my first and is right now in the lead for mafia.

My view on it is he got called out for not doing much which is within scum meta, so he cobbled together a quick case.

General rapid fire reads.

Lucy is likely not mafia and if my tone was rough sorry all in the spirit of the game.

Creature, Neon, and dunya all seem towny so far confidence of read in that order.

Chihiro I’m leery on half the time I find myself liking their posts and half the time I think they’re scummy I need to do a more in depth read of them

Dennis I’m side eyeing but I’ll trust Katie here. Granted they could both be mafia and hard clearing, but I’ll give that a D1 pass.
Yup, I hit myself a bullseye.

No I hit myself a bullseye

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:59 pm
Chihiro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:53 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:53 pm If you make the assumption that locations are not randomly assigned to each monster, then you are wrong.
cool do u have information that states this with certainty?
Is this your way of admitting that you don't have a town role pm?

Okay so; the crux of the slip starts here.

But, I’m confused since I’m like pretty sure the locations are tied to Indy monsters from the episodes you’re trying to argue they’re not?

You’re second post about it also backs up the idea that she knew monsters were town and y’all are just debating whether or not the location is randomized.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:08 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:55 pm Yeah, I think every location probably goes with a monster. 18 players = 18 monsters (some of which are safeclaims). Assuming there are in fact safeclaims, the mafia knows which locations do fuck all to help the town so it is in our best interest to claim where we are voting and vote as a block.

That is, if we all vote randomly, most locations get 0-3 votes. Wolves could have up to 5 players (4 is a better number, probably, but theme) so we expect them to put down 4-5 votes in a shit location and we get the shit location. If we all agree to vote for the same place, it's at least the place we pick and mafia doesn't have control. I'll take coin flip over a wolves' choice.

Or I'm just wrong about my setup guesses and it doesn't particularly matter.
oh I just realized that I assumed that scum would be the Mystery gang, as in scum are not monsters (although I assume safeclaim means they are given something to claim as part of their scum role to help blend in?)

Ex: Fred, Daphne, Velma, Shaggy would be my expected scum roles

no scooby, and then scrappy makes sense as the 3p

so like.....13 monsters -> 13 monster-benefiting locations?

This posts confuses me?

So overall I see where Pyxxy is coming from, but I think the confusion rested on whether monsters are randomized to location.

The issue I’m having with this is they aren’t and Pyxxy thought they were so like if anything shouldn’t this be a slip from Pyxxy?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:17 pm Like please, just plow through Sig

I need pictures before we can do this sorry Sean

(Was a crude childish joke worth a post in a capped game? Yes yes it was)

Chihiro wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:39 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:23 pm
Chihiro wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:21 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:30 am
Chihiro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:35 pm Mechanically speaking Third Parties possible should always mean that their existance is confirmed, otherwise, this game is bastard. Telling us its possible they exist but then not having any to me is false information. Where I come from games don't include this unless 3rd party exist, they don't say they may or may not exist.
that isn't the cold hard rule in TS fyi.

i read the chihiro debacle with pyxxy with role pm lingo, which i specifically ban from happening from my games for the purpose of how gross it is and icky and stuff, and have a town lean on chihiro and pyxxy out of it for different reasons.
well yeah cause its gross, which why i specifically got pissed at pyxxy for reading into it.

Also I don't think I am that over the place with the scrappy slot, I think anyone thats hard focused on it over scum hunting is probablly mafia themself.
This sentence makes me wolfread you though.
Literally why? Again I don't understand this sites meta when comes to 3rd parties. Like if the sites meta is losing to 3rd parties thats not the fault of the 3rd party existing, thats the fault of town.

Yea town ignoring third parties.

Having said I’m like 99% sure I know who’s behind the sock so I’m good moving off them for now. IF, I think easier are wolf siding I’ll out the main then vote them off win win.

Chihiro wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:30 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:07 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:03 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:02 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:56 am Also, Sig is outed.
Why is sig outed? I see sig being pushed literally every game he is in, like in Cartomancy. Do you all actually wolfread him or is it "hmmm sig is playing antitown must be wolf" like lucy is doing?
Sig didn't know that the scooby doo villians were town.

I’m semi here about to go into a meeting then I’ll catch up.

This is wrong?
u coming back into the thread after being gone for a bith to immediatly comment on this post pings me, unless you skip back reading to check mentions of you??

Yup I always try to respond to notifications/search my name first, then I read the most recent posts, then I go back and do a catch up. I’m used to being chronically behind in high volume games so for me it makes the most sense to address anything I’m engaging on vs going through pages or random stuff. Granted this game is pretty low key so that won’t be an issue here, but that’s standard NAI practice for me

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:34 pm kate feels alright, falcon feels alright, creature feels like they're crea-tching but also idt I've lived long in a game with creature regardless of alignment so not much experience from me "reading that slot" as the kids say

DOOM seems to be DOA

should probably re-read sig at some point because this felt odd to me, seemingly down with my slip case
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:13 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:07 pm Yay for town working together even if it was in the shadows

I still find you sus tho Chihiro, sorry
[VOTE: Chihiro] aubergine
I’ve got to reread the potential slip area. If you’re correct it’s a great D1 vote:

My biggest issue is they’re anti voting off Scrappy and want to go after mafia, but haven’t really gone after mafia just engaged on the Scrappy piece.

The same could be said for Richard
into eh shrug I don't actually care about a possible easy D1 kill???
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:18 pm
Chihiro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:16 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:13 pm My biggest issue is they’re anti voting off Scrappy and want to go after mafia, but haven’t really gone after mafia just engaged on the Scrappy piece.
More than likely that there is scum inside the group of people who were so adament on scrappy being the d1 elimination.

Also what slip? I explained that I hadn't fully read my role pm until someone mentioned their flavor match their location, which when i double checked realizing the same thing.

Pxxy seems to think it was a slip, frankly i skimmed then ignored the convo since that style of mechish talk bores me
it would be one thing if sig didn't care at all about my slip case, but expressing interest and then dismissing it without a real analysis feels like trying to sink the case?

Shhhh I’m lazy, but I promise I’ll reread it and share my thoughts here before EOD

Oh and then we’ve got the slanders who I want to see more from especially Wilgy, Falcon, Omega,

If I haven’t mentioned you it’s since I don’t have a player list in front of me I expect to give more condescend and put together reads when I’m done work for the day

Also Sean’s case falls apart given that Scrappy claimed third party ergo it can’t be a slip in any direction?

Either way I really don’t like the diverting attempt and when I finally do ISO he’s gonna be my first and is right now in the lead for mafia.

My view on it is he got called out for not doing much which is within scum meta, so he cobbled together a quick case.

General rapid fire reads.

Lucy is likely not mafia and if my tone was rough sorry

all in the spirit of the game.

Creature, Neon, and dunya all seem towny so far confidence of read in that order.

Chihiro I’m leery on half the time I find myself liking their posts and half the time I think they’re scummy I need to do a more in depth read of them

Dennis I’m side eyeing but I’ll trust Katie here. Granted they could both be mafia and hard clearing, but I’ll give that a D1 pass.

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:27 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:26 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:12 pm I don't get the townreads on Roxy for that giant wall. Why are you all townreading her for that?

I also don't get the wolfreads on Dennis. Where he is matching his wolf tones as compared to his town games?
If you want to wolf read me bc I think you are bad then go ahead. Why keep asking others why they don't think I am wolf? Do you need their permission? Get off the fence man and say how you read me and then stand by it.
This looks like town Roxy to me.

See I kinda disagree. Roxy is being alot more measured in her responses right now which is raising some red flags. Town roxy has a lot more of a like fuck around and find out paired with a I don’t care

vibe (I mean this in a good way

)

I’m seeing her laying more casework so far and giving detailed reads.

Why do you think it’s towny

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:08 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:43 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:42 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:27 pm You guys just be glad you don’t know scrappy doo. I would happily erase him from my memory lol

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:23 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:10 pm woof woof
Oh god scrappy doo is the worst. Perhaps one of the most justifiably hated characters of all time

Splints is my ride or die this game idc how she flips, whay she does, who she kills.

She could claim mafia while being red checked and saying she was gonna lead a misvote on me and my hatred for scrappy will still burn brighter than all those things.

On a serious note, I 100% bet Scrabby is a third party role I’m thinking in like with the character from Rico’s Courage game awhile back. Basically a player posts as both themselves and scrabby.

Or if we wanna include movie verse then scrappy is a mafia member since in the first movie he was the main villain
Sig is mafia, gg.
Here.

This is very weak reasoning. And it’s actually so bad I’m now eyeing you for trying to start a new wagon

Imma go out on a limb here and say one of the wagons have a mafia member and Sean is covering but I need to look into it more before I fully commit

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:53 am anyway I just caught up and have my reads list:

sig - where in the f is your normal game? I cannot for the life of me remember you coming in so strongly in a game. Though I have only been back for a few games so far you feel off to me and I don't like it as I can usually find myself on the same page as you but not at all this game. You are laser focused on Scrappy and without looking for any other mafia players I have to wonder wtf you are on about. This focus on 3p roles has you twisted up. I also remember losing games bc of a 3p player - but- I also remember games where 3p's have helped the town win. It's about 50/50 in my memory. What else do you got?

I might be striking a slightly more aggressive tone than normal, but I don’t think this is outside my style just slightly less jokey than normal.

I agree We’re usually on the same page are you mafia this game

In theory sure, they’ve helped in the past but I wasn’t a fan of their day 0. Having said that if it isn’t a viable wagon I’ll ignore it for now and I will be doing more reads later after work

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:03 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:02 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:56 am Also, Sig is outed.
Why is sig outed? I see sig being pushed literally every game he is in, like in Cartomancy. Do you all actually wolfread him or is it "hmmm sig is playing antitown must be wolf" like lucy is doing?
Sig didn't know that the scooby doo villians were town.

I’m semi here about to go into a meeting then I’ll catch up.

This is wrong?

Chihiro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:13 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:06 pm
Chihiro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:59 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:26 pm I won't. I'll vote scrappy every day till they die no matter what anyone else in this player list does. I do not care. So kill me Lucy.
Also I am fine with that aslong as you still hunt for mafia in the thread.
This is 100% a flip flop from your previous held position.
nah i know neon well enough to say they won't change their views on the slot, so better off just letting them do what they want their vote.

I don't know you at all.

So you don’t view it as anti town to be voting for Scrappy?

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:16 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:06 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:26 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:59 pm
Chihiro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:56 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:54 pm I will to not clog the thread move on from the scrappy discussion after reiterating once again that both you and Lucy seem to have no problem ignoring or just casually brushing off how quickly someone is willing to mafia side
Cause at the end of the day the slot isn't mafia, we know this because they would have just claimed town. The fact that they were truthful from the beginning meant they wanted to town side.
I don’t agree, but look if the majority wants to move in another direction I’ll put a pin in this for now.

Having said that I’ll ask the same thing I asked Lucy,

At what point will enough be enough with the sock where you’re willing to say they’re not town siding anymore
I won't. I'll vote scrappy every day till they die no matter what anyone else in this player list does. I do not care. So kill me Lucy.
This is why you’re my favorite new gen TS player
Because I do what I want? Lol.

Yes

Chihiro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:46 pm i find it funny that there is like 3 people specifically that really just wanna see the sock flip.

I mean I find it funny 2 people are specifically against it.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:26 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:59 pm
Chihiro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:56 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:54 pm I will to not clog the thread move on from the scrappy discussion after reiterating once again that both you and Lucy seem to have no problem ignoring or just casually brushing off how quickly someone is willing to mafia side
Cause at the end of the day the slot isn't mafia, we know this because they would have just claimed town. The fact that they were truthful from the beginning meant they wanted to town side.
I don’t agree, but look if the majority wants to move in another direction I’ll put a pin in this for now.

Having said that I’ll ask the same thing I asked Lucy,

At what point will enough be enough with the sock where you’re willing to say they’re not town siding anymore
I won't. I'll vote scrappy every day till they die no matter what anyone else in this player list does. I do not care. So kill me Lucy.

This is why you’re my favorite new gen TS player

Chihiro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:59 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:26 pm I won't. I'll vote scrappy every day till they die no matter what anyone else in this player list does. I do not care. So kill me Lucy.
Also I am fine with that aslong as you still hunt for mafia in the thread.

This is 100% a flip flop from your previous held position.

Part of me is like

“Sig there’s a post count get serious and don’t start fluff posting nonesnese”

Buuuuut the other part is like

Since nobody else is around I think I’ll go with option two

also @Jackofhearts2005 im very unhappy you didn’t say hello to me

Also also I’m pretty sure you lead a misvote on me last game or vigged me so like IOU one death

Chihiro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:02 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:59 pm At what point will enough be enough with the sock where you’re willing to say they’re not town siding anymore
I would never vote the slot on d1, so doesn't matter.

So you’re just opposed to a d1 vote off?

Since here’s the scenario I see, we let them slide day 1 they do nothing to help town, and we get to a point of no return where they screw up the entire game for us. Whether that’s scum siding 100% or just having some sort of general anti town power.

Like I said this has happened so many times throughout my mafia career that we can’t just brush off oh they’re third party let’s leave them alone. It at least needs to be a discussion

Chihiro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:56 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:54 pm I will to not clog the thread move on from the scrappy discussion after reiterating once again that both you and Lucy seem to have no problem ignoring or just casually brushing off how quickly someone is willing to mafia side
Cause at the end of the day the slot isn't mafia, we know this because they would have just claimed town. The fact that they were truthful from the beginning meant they wanted to town side.

I don’t agree, but look if the majority wants to move in another direction I’ll put a pin in this for now.

Having said that I’ll ask the same thing I asked Lucy,

At what point will enough be enough with the sock where you’re willing to say they’re not town siding anymore

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:51 pm [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

literally more mafia aligned than literal 3p LMAO

You’re supposed to leave past games in the past you’re unwilling to do that so whatever.

I’m leaning town toward you but again just like Cartoon you’ve gotta prove your reads if you want people to listen which you aren’t doing. You’re just being overly aggressive to people and acting salty

Chihiro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:50 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:48 pm
Chihiro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:47 pm Ill make this clear, since sig and prxxy don't seem to get it.

Scrappy was being pro town and despite all of them you both kept pushing them to be evil, so the use the whole siding with mafia to justify your view on them is quite silly.

The slot deliberatly tried to explain they can help town and everytime they did they were shut down because "Your third party you need to die"
Are you scrappy and mad people pressured you?

Since I 100% read the “pro town” posts as being mafia signaling.
at this point your stuck in a tunnel, so I don't expect you to change your view because your probably in that mindset that anything scrappy says is evil and pushing an agenda that they wanna side with mafia.

Yea you’re not wrong, I’m very happy in this tunnel though so I don’t plan to leave

I will to not clog the thread move on from the scrappy discussion after reiterating once again that both you and Lucy seem to have no problem ignoring or just casually brushing off how quickly someone is willing to mafia side

That’s extremely problematic for the slot. If they hadn’t so willingly and so quickly gone that route I’d not be pursuing it.

Also sorry it isn’t going to fly that we should feel bad for the slot being pressured a bit. That’s how the game works if they can’t handle it they shouldn’t be playing mafia. It’s that simple

Chihiro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:47 pm Ill make this clear, since sig and prxxy don't seem to get it.

Scrappy was being pro town and despite all of them you both kept pushing them to be evil, so the use the whole siding with mafia to justify your view on them is quite silly.

The slot deliberatly tried to explain they can help town and everytime they did they were shut down because "Your third party you need to die"

Are you scrappy and mad people pressured you?

Since I 100% read the “pro town” posts as being mafia signaling.

Chihiro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:45 pm Where was another game mentioned, did I miss something?

Lucy is referring to Cartoonmancy above

Essentially she claimed an unkillable town role, she was said role but then attempted to lead town without any mech knowledge.

She got mad and is apparently still mad that I refused to blindly follow her. I 100% stand by that decision and I wasn’t the only player who didn’t do what she said. It’s just a running vendetta.

Also since she wants to rehash this every one of her reads was wrong until she got info, which she then dumped resulting in the game ending early since there was a no info dumping rule in place.

And if anything ignoring an openly scum siding third party is anti town.

In fact you’re straight up pretending as if they didn’t threaten town. If you do the following I’ll drop it

1. Acknowledge they’re being anti town or at least were

2. Say why it’s logically to leave them alive. And no saying a town kp will take care of them isn’t a good reason

3. Tell me what your limit is? What does the sock need to do for you to agree they’re being anti town and fulfilling their own threat?

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:39 pm @sig

i will make this abundantly clear, you are being anti town and you don't actually know any better

what you are doing is anti town and extremely poor town play

the majority of the playerlist will ignore you because your argument is subpar and anti town

you are incorrect here even if you believe otherwise

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:37 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:31 pm I was town in cartoonmancy? So that doesn’t make any sense.

We don’t know if a town kp exists so I think leaving it up to them is a bad move.

Again you’re ignoring that there’s no proof this is third Larry
1) you played so very anti town you were doing mafias work for them, same as you're doing here
2) it's obviously third party
3) there's almost certainly town kp in an 18 player setup

you just don't have much credibility with me at all. and you objectively are pushing an anti town agenda but you don't know any better

The fact you can’t get over an old game is ridiculous especially when quite honestly you didn’t play that well. In fact whats ironic is everything you’re saying will happen to me this game happened to you last game.

It’s also ridiculous to just discount a player since they didn’t blindly follow your orders when you had zero real info.

I’m not sure if you’re just being a salty towny or mafia but if anything you’re the one being anti town right now by dragging old games into it to essentially fulfill a personal vendetta

Chihiro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:28 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:22 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:19 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:16 pm By EOD I’d like some mafia hunting (but not at me since I’m super duper mega town and too lazy to defend myself)
you do understand that by pushing a 3p d1 you are actively limiting the mafia hunting that's going on d1/2 etc. wagons are important and in an 18p setup that is role madness we almost surely have killpower. wagon mafia and scrappy eats a town nightkill

I’ve had this argument all throughout D0 and I’m sticking to my guns.

Best case it’s a 3P I’m still not convinced given the flavor it isn’t a mafia sock account since everyone is just taking the sock at face value when we know for a fact the gang is mafia.

If it’s a 3P it’s already slyly attempted to drop hints to mafia team then came right out and said they’d support mafia.

This isn’t a pro Town slot, there is zero ways this is a pro town slot, and the longer we let it fester the bigger an issue it’ll be.

M
Reason this arguement doesn't hold up for me is:
1.Mechanically this just stupid cause it immediatly links the account to mafia
2.Scrappy was literally a villain in the first film?????? So why cant he be apart of the monsters side.

Also wasting the entirety of day 1 on eliminating scrappy who basically just a puppet doesn't push town wincon forward at all or give us any new info going into d2. We would essentially be voting off a ghost slot.

Except they count toward everything and are being anti town

I’ve yet to see a single solid reason to leave them alive.

The people advocating for it are just ignoring that scrappy is willing to Scum side which is dumb while also believing they’re third party.

Am I saying vote and do nothing else? No, but to discount an anti town wgaon for no solid reason isn’t Pro town

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:28 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:22 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:19 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:16 pm By EOD I’d like some mafia hunting (but not at me since I’m super duper mega town and too lazy to defend myself)
you do understand that by pushing a 3p d1 you are actively limiting the mafia hunting that's going on d1/2 etc. wagons are important and in an 18p setup that is role madness we almost surely have killpower. wagon mafia and scrappy eats a town nightkill

I’ve had this argument all throughout D0 and I’m sticking to my guns.

Best case it’s a 3P I’m still not convinced given the flavor it isn’t a mafia sock account since everyone is just taking the sock at face value when we know for a fact the gang is mafia.

If it’s a 3P it’s already slyly attempted to drop hints to mafia team then came right out and said they’d support mafia.

This isn’t a pro Town slot, there is zero ways this is a pro town slot, and the longer we let it fester the bigger an issue it’ll be.

M
that's not my argument, my argument is that stagnant wagons d1 greatly greatly harm villagers ability to hunt especially on a fucking third party. we almost assuredly have kill power.

your argument that we should kill it d1 instead of letting town kp kill it is very anti town because stagnant wagons -> nobody becomes obv villa in mid/late game off d1 wagons

why should we not let town killpower kill them n1? and there is no functional between 3p dying n1 and d1 according to your logic. the important distinction is that our wagons might catch villagers and wolves instead of being stuck on third party

i don't trust you at all after cartomancy even if you feel justified in your actions, this train of thought is anti town

I was town in cartoonmancy? So that doesn’t make any sense.

We don’t know if a town kp exists so I think leaving it up to them is a bad move.

Again you’re ignoring that there’s no proof this is third Larry

Also I 100% disagree with the theory that mafia would even be among those pushing for Scrappy

SOMEONE WHOS SAYINT THEY’LL SCUM SIDE

Like I’m baffled that so many ppl are shrugging at this or just going “well the slot was being pressured so it makes sense”

If that was the case then every town who ever gets pressured would just self vote or kamikaze town

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:19 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:16 pm By EOD I’d like some mafia hunting (but not at me since I’m super duper mega town and too lazy to defend myself)
you do understand that by pushing a 3p d1 you are actively limiting the mafia hunting that's going on d1/2 etc. wagons are important and in an 18p setup that is role madness we almost surely have killpower. wagon mafia and scrappy eats a town nightkill

I’ve had this argument all throughout D0 and I’m sticking to my guns.

Best case it’s a 3P I’m still not convinced given the flavor it isn’t a mafia sock account since everyone is just taking the sock at face value when we know for a fact the gang is mafia.

If it’s a 3P it’s already slyly attempted to drop hints to mafia team then came right out and said they’d support mafia.

This isn’t a pro Town slot, there is zero ways this is a pro town slot, and the longer we let it fester the bigger an issue it’ll be.

M

Chihiro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:16 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:13 pm My biggest issue is they’re anti voting off Scrappy and want to go after mafia, but haven’t really gone after mafia just engaged on the Scrappy piece.
More than likely that there is scum inside the group of people who were so adament on scrappy being the d1 elimination.

Also what slip? I explained that I hadn't fully read my role pm until someone mentioned their flavor match their location, which when i double checked realizing the same thing.

Pxxy seems to think it was a slip, frankly i skimmed then ignored the convo since that style of mechish talk bores me

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:14 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:13 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:07 pm Yay for town working together even if it was in the shadows

I still find you sus tho Chihiro, sorry
[VOTE: Chihiro] aubergine
I’ve got to reread the potential slip area. If you’re correct it’s a great D1 vote:

My biggest issue is they’re anti voting off Scrappy and want to go after mafia, but haven’t really gone after mafia just engaged on the Scrappy piece.

The same could be said for Richard
"but haven’t really gone after mafia just engaged on the Scrappy piece"
fwiw it _was_ N0

I wouldn't support reasoning like this until at least 24 hours into D1 if not longer

Fair fair.

By EOD I’d like some mafia hunting (but not at me since I’m super duper mega town and too lazy to defend myself)

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:07 pm Yay for town working together even if it was in the shadows

I still find you sus tho Chihiro, sorry
[VOTE: Chihiro] aubergine

I’ve got to reread the potential slip area. If you’re correct it’s a great D1 vote:

My biggest issue is they’re anti voting off Scrappy and want to go after mafia, but haven’t really gone after mafia just engaged on the Scrappy piece.

The same could be said for Richard

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:08 pm what the fuck chad and sig, how do you not realize it's just +80 to the n0 post count

I thought it had something to do with our location but that makes more sense

Voting scrappy

I’m eyeing Dennis, Chihiro, and Roxy.

Pretty sure both Neon and Creature are town.

Interesting that we all have different post count limits

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:10 pm Woops meant to add, as I keep saying, town should all vote together and it seems like Airfield is alright, y'all seem to dislike Oceanland and there's only an hour left so I'm going all in on whipping up votes for Airfield

I’m fine with this

@Neon input on Chihiro thoughts when you get a chance.

Chihiro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:58 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:56 pm Town literally lost the GoC 2 years ago for having this exact mentality after they voted off 2 mafia teams.
Well im not saying just forget about the slot, but our 1st priority should always be looking for mafia to eliminate. 3rd party slot should always get solved by or in an f5 scenario.

Nah 100% disagree especially if said 3rs party has two votes. We can’t let a 3P like this get anywhere close to lynch or loose. Since they can just as easily turn around and vote with mafia

Chihiro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:52 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:50 pm What’s your thoughts on scrappy openly saying their main account will help mafia?
Was this before or after yall spent 4 pages pressuring the slot?

If someone is so willing to say they’re going to campaign against town for being put under some pressure they have to go. I don’t care what alignment they are. Like it’s shocking to me that you want an anti town player to be left alone since they threatened to take their toys and join another team.

What they’re doing is attempting to hold town hostage and for some reason you’re fine with it

Chihiro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:43 pm Since I barely have any meta on players in this game I have no idea if sig being so focused on a 3rd party instead of mafia is town or mafia motivated. This goes without saying 3rd party hunting or going after 3rd party is almost always mafia motivated.

I 100% disagree with this, but I’m thinking it’s a cultural thing. So I won’t dwell on it, unless scrappy flips mafia.

TS has historically been really heavy with Anti town 3P that players will ignore and it ALWAYS comes back and bites town in the ass. In this case the 3P is openly scum siding.

Town literally lost the GoC 2 years ago for having this exact mentality after they voted off 2 mafia teams.

Also we can hunt mafia and third party, if anything I’m getting some amazing reads off how people are reacting to the third party so it isn’t like this is happening in a vaccum

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