The Syndicate

Well done nut and falcon!!!! Well played thunal, you almost had us!

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 12:07 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:49 pm I'm leaning voting Rico now, but I'm not going to hammer yet. Now that Rico is in the PoE if he were town he'd need to find the wolf not a PoE of 2 and I feel like there's a lack of interest in that. Like "Scotty is the manipulative" feels like he's putting a lot of effort to discredit Scotty without outright calling him a wolf, and there's not the sort of impressions I would expect from a townie. Like I'd expect a townie to have real-time thoughts and impressions of how people are treating him and that's almost absent.
This is becoming bothersome.
Having a PoE of 2 is (still) the range I find sufficient to smoke out the wolf. It's true for anyone else, whether they "stick to this plan" or mislynch me and embrace a different game tomorrow.
The quote line came at the end of a proper analysis. And it is answer to what not only you, but Scotty as well, asked. Now it's being seen as discrediting. Ok.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:00 pm Normally a townie believes that they are generally playing the game in a townie way. Rico's defense being that he voted Epi over me is fine in a vacuum, but it pings me that that's consistently the only thing he cites as towny for him.
One, it is not in a vacuum, it is in a specific context, and you are now the third player ignoring that context.
I didn't play shit until I made that shot.
I don't believe and never stated "I am townie", i.e. asked for cred, for anything.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:42 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:30 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:00 pm Normally a townie believes that they are generally playing the game in a townie way. Rico's defense being that he voted Epi over me is fine in a vacuum, but it pings me that that's consistently the only thing he cites as towny for him.
To be fair, that is probably the main thing that brings him into the towny discussion. He didn’t do much until then.
That's true, and it is possible t!Rico just thinks it's the only thing clearing for him.
It is. You are now the third player ignoring that context etc.

Take me out, Thunal, nutella. A pool of three players now not looking at facts and context regarding that D2 vote is already too big, it basically means I've lost town support for the 3-PoE solve and for myself.
Take me out and good luck with the f3, whether you'll be there to manage it or you entrust it will be in others' better hands.

Which of falcon and I is bad? Who are you voting?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:00 pm Normally a townie believes that they are generally playing the game in a townie way. Rico's defense being that he voted Epi over me is fine in a vacuum, but it pings me that that's consistently the only thing he cites as towny for him.

To be fair, that is probably the main thing that brings him into the towny discussion. He didn’t do much until then.

Whatever happens today, I gave it my best shot and I hope there isn’t a tomorrow

which doesn’t sound ominous at all

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:44 pm It's F5 & Rico has 2 votes.

If Thunal is Maf, she could easily hammer. Ditto Nut

Perhaps they're being patient, but I think as Maf they'd still have every excuse to just hammer and go to F3

I wouldn’t blame them to just hammer away in any alignment, though that does help.

I also think you voting first and early makes you look towny

Wanna be town buds with me?

Also @Ricochet you make notes in your iso journey that i sheeped falcon twice. Is a sheep manipulative?

Also is this why you scum read me? Because you think I’m making up my progression on suspecting you?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 6:26 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 6:04 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 5:51 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 5:04 pm
POEs as a concept in a game that is basically mountainous is not binary. Process of elimination should culminate into best guesses, but literally no one can be eliminated from the suspicion list without mech

You are seeming to operate under the assumption that bing bang boom the solve is set in stone, but have a hard time coming to the possibility that you yourself could be in the POE of town. Because as you know, at least one of falcon/myself is town

Which of us is being manipulative and which is being manipulated?
You are, in principle, correct, and I wish I would approach this more "fairly", if that's your issue. But my angle is 3 phases, 3 shots, wolf smoked out. It's good enough. It's mathematical enough.

Failure of this angle is likely, but then it will be cuz of a wolf-wolf wagon (which I would interpret as less likely) or of straight up reverse psych (which is extreme to contemplate, and extremely difficult to solve).

As for the question:

a. same to what I said to thunal, I'd prefer to try an in-depth answer later toDay

b. I'd like to state that "manipulated" may be in fact murky to ascertain, since you both seem to have built this angle on your own; I don't recall or would need to revisit any instance of one of you sheeping the other's point

c. I'd like you to restate the case from this; falcon gave an answer, at least; you, why not?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:36 pm Thunal up 3 to 2 vs Epignosis, with SVS, Epignosis and myself still to vote

Enter thread

Flake another 20mins (I was undecided and unread), instead of making it a decisive 4-2

“It’s the only explanation, guys, only Maf would play like this”

c. You know what? No. I don’t know how many more times I can rehash the same thing. If anything, I’ve overexplained my opinion on this spanning back to D3, and am in disbelief that you haven’t caught it in your read
Bro. You do know you picked the wrong guy to taunt at ISO'ing and showing you the receipts, right?

#1151, arguments

Rico should not be cleared - was gonna make the same point Falcon already did [my note: oh, I already stand correct, here's a slight sheep]
Rico is suddenly playing - how convenient.
Rico is wolf for suddenly playing.

#1192, arguments

Rico if bad had no option but to wake up and play
Epig was likely to go over [my note: although you pulled up AN INCOMPLETE tally in which it was 2-2, ignoring Syn's 3-2 move], so Rico should not be cleared for his vote.

#1236, arguments

What strategy other than bussing Epig could Rico possibly adopt to reach endgame [my note: argument devoid of vote progression context

#1269

Appears to be a partial argument, in agreement with falcon [sheep #2?], that Rico not being NK is tinfoil for wolf.

#1272

Rico is bad for coming back to life.
Rico is bad for tiebreaking Epig and taking a town claim for it. [my note: argument devoid of vote progression context]

#1326

Rico is bad for being committed to low-posting.
Rico is bad for wanting to solve his PoE.

#1338

Rico is bad for bussing Epig and taking a town claim for it. [my note: argument devoid of vote progression context]

#1384

Rico is bad for wanting to solve his PoE, but not fine-tuning it in the process.

====

So no. Not only did you not overexplained it, but did not explain ONCE the vote progression context and why wolf-me did not lynch Thunal button at the tip of the finger.

Congrats, Scotty.

You are the manipulative.

k

So I’m the manipulative wolf between falcon/scotty?

Who you gonna vote

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 5:51 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 5:04 pm
POEs as a concept in a game that is basically mountainous is not binary. Process of elimination should culminate into best guesses, but literally no one can be eliminated from the suspicion list without mech

You are seeming to operate under the assumption that bing bang boom the solve is set in stone, but have a hard time coming to the possibility that you yourself could be in the POE of town. Because as you know, at least one of falcon/myself is town

Which of us is being manipulative and which is being manipulated?
You are, in principle, correct, and I wish I would approach this more "fairly", if that's your issue. But my angle is 3 phases, 3 shots, wolf smoked out. It's good enough. It's mathematical enough.

Failure of this angle is likely, but then it will be cuz of a wolf-wolf wagon (which I would interpret as less likely) or of straight up reverse psych (which is extreme to contemplate, and extremely difficult to solve).

As for the question:

a. same to what I said to thunal, I'd prefer to try an in-depth answer later toDay

b. I'd like to state that "manipulated" may be in fact murky to ascertain, since you both seem to have built this angle on your own; I don't recall or would need to revisit any instance of one of you sheeping the other's point

c. I'd like you to restate the case from this; falcon gave an answer, at least; you, why not?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:36 pm Thunal up 3 to 2 vs Epignosis, with SVS, Epignosis and myself still to vote

Enter thread

Flake another 20mins (I was undecided and unread), instead of making it a decisive 4-2

“It’s the only explanation, guys, only Maf would play like this”

c. You know what? No. I don’t know how many more times I can rehash the same thing. If anything, I’ve overexplained my opinion on this spanning back to D3, and am in disbelief that you haven’t caught it in your read

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 5:00 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:48 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:41 pm falcon, PoE candidate, will spin me wolf and vote me - check

Scotty, PoE candidate, will spin me wolf and vote me - check

We can't both be Maf, and in fact from your perspective (if town) we very well both might be town.

This take is not a town mindset
From my perspective, one of you is wolf.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:48 pm I think Scotty has a good point. Yes, we need to find a winning PoE of 2, but it also doesn't make a lot of sense to treat both PoE candidates equally when you know only one of them can be the wolf.
The PoE started at 3 people, with 3 phases available to solve them. It may seem unbecoming to just trial and error, but that already took place (with Syn). Wavering is losing the solve out of sight, logistically.

Regarding what you previously asked, I can try to find an answer tomorrow, if the phase hasn’t been hammered. I don’t think I can commit at midnight now.

POEs as a concept in a game that is basically mountainous is not binary. Process of elimination should culminate into best guesses, but literally no one can be eliminated from the suspicion list without mech

You are seeming to operate under the assumption that bing bang boom the solve is set in stone, but have a hard time coming to the possibility that you yourself could be in the POE of town. Because as you know, at least one of falcon/myself is town

Which of us is being manipulative and which is being manipulated?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:50 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 2:20 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:51 am >snip>
3. The math solve is falcon/scotty, in f5/f3 respectively, I realise it's not pleasant for them to face such PoE logic, but that's the best thing to roll with, unless better alternatives can be argued.

4. Speaking of things argued, both falcon and Scotty show intent to push a lynch on me, and I don't think either has clarified (or proved willing to clarify) their wolf!me perspectives i.e. how I had Thunal's lynch at a push of a button and decided to hard kill my teammate instead. Word/tone-wise, falcon seems very unwilling to formulate proper arguments, whilst Scotty does so, but also mixes them up with "it's gotta be"es.

Anyway, one of them is town, so clearly misguided, the other could very well be wolf and resort to this as his lifeline. Tempted to believe the wolf would also come in thread and push the "why isn't Rico nightkilled that's so SuuuuS" narrative. In this f5, it's likely both of them could vote me, so it takes one more voter to change mind. In f3, I expect the same - keep me alive, bring it down to a vote swing to misselim me. Stay strong town.

>snip<

Methinks you just made a slip
What did you think the slip was?

For some reason I was miscontruing ‘one of them as town’ as tmi when he said we were both in the poe.

I got excited but also my logic was completely wrong. So he didn’t slip there

Ok at this point i think I’ve done all the ISOing I can do before I keep talking in circles (which I know all of you would LOVE- I still have like 40 more posts). If y’all decide to go elsewhere, so be it. Hope not to have to deal with f3

[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:15 pm Yeah thunal prob actually dies over me anyway bc shes more likely to solve f3 correctly and not just flail around haphazardly like me smh

Eh I don’t see the resemblance tbh

Gonna go to this again:

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:51 am 4. Speaking of things argued, both falcon and Scotty show intent to push a lynch on me, and I don't think either has clarified (or proved willing to clarify) their wolf!me perspectives i.e. how I had Thunal's lynch at a push of a button and decided to hard kill my teammate instead. Word/tone-wise, falcon seems very unwilling to formulate proper arguments, whilst Scotty does so, but also mixes them up with "it's gotta be"es.

Anyway, one of them is town, so clearly misguided, the other could very well be wolf and resort to this as his lifeline. Tempted to believe the wolf would also come in thread and push the "why isn't Rico nightkilled that's so SuuuuS" narrative. In this f5, it's likely both of them could vote me, so it takes one more voter to change mind. In f3, I expect the same - keep me alive, bring it down to a vote swing to misselim me. Stay strong town.

Rico is deadset on one of me and falcon being bad, but is making no effort to figure out which one of us it is. With 2 players actively gunning for his slot to bring him into the POE, his response is to get mildly defensive in why he shouldn’t be a part of the POE and just say one of us is ‘misguided’.

I think the towny mindset would be ‘who is being swayed/pocketed by the other and isn’t coming at this in a manipulative way?’

If thunal is bad, and Epi literally told us his partner early in D1 I’ll never forgive myself. But I don’t even want to think of that possibility so forget it

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:05 pm atp ive probably swapped my poe from falcon/you in some order to falcon/rico in some order so instead i lose if it's you, really good effort if it is bc you still make sense as a wolf from the first few days but your solving is convincing

Appreciated. I’d like to think I’d have this level of persnickitiness near endgame as wolf, but a part of me doubts I even come to these conclusions organically as a wolf

Bur for your loyalty I probably won’t kill you tonite

Why did SVS get killed if Rico is wolf?
Just perused SVS’ iso and she was one of the biggest proponents of keeping rico alive, and was mostly peeved that I was even going there.

Yes, she was pretty universally townread, so duh, but why would a w!rico get rid of one of his chief cheerleaders that may not get there on him?

hmmmm

But who was more towny at that point for w!rico to kill? God, I’m just mostly curious who mafia would kill in F4 to take off the table.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 3:39 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 2:47 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 5:20 pm i will be pretty unavailable starting thursday so it would be cool if we decided before then tbh
What happens if we miss today? Are you actually available for a potential f3?
Minimally but yes.

I'm kinda panicking today bc i seriously think it could be rico and that means it isn't a locked solve like i originally thought and i'm like almost tempted to vote him now but my brain says falcon

In a vacuum my brain says falcon, but I just had a long historical look at falcon’s past games recently as both town and mafia and…I think he’s pretty towny on that meta. His engagement here as the game has gone along is >invested< and making >hot takes<
I tend to find that replicated by town falcon more than not. Especially him coming into thread yesterday bringing up why rico wasn’t killed. A thought that I was echoing as I was rereading end of day 2. W!falcon never HAS to make that bold of a suspicion. There were plenty of other avenues to go down.

Rico makes *sense* as both town and mafia. Why hasn’t he died? Well, there are far more vocal and outwardly town players left, ergo he could be town. But he is one of the most traditionally cleared slots left, so that point remains: why did Marmot > SVS die before him?

Despite his continued attempt to selfclear himself, it rings as manipulative instead of matter of fact. He has seemingly chosen to do some DD on thunal’s slot, determining thunal is *probably* not mafia, and has kept the same throughline from D3 of Syn/falcon/me which is a winning combo for him if he’s bad.

Thing is, I can’t afford to be as tunnely as I was earlier in this stage. I talked myself out of the inevitability of Syn going over yesterday (even if the rest of the town didn’t), so it’s possible for me to weigh all options

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 3:08 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 3:04 pm So let’s see.

Falcon has already voted rico, because that is basically his only option. Here is his progression today:
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:02 am My solve stays in Rico/Nut

If Scotty or Thunal is Maf, well I don't think we're ever getting there this RD, if at all

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:05 am [VOTE: rico] aubergine
his vote of rico after this post basically says ‘I am committed to my solve of rico and tomorrow if rico is town, nut’
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:12 am I do not want to spend the next 24 hrs going over and over this, too me at least, obvious point.

I will say, that Thunal's inability to consider that AFK Maf would bus their teammate to go F3...that's such an obvious scum move, it's making me think the solve is in Rico/Thunal
now it’s a sprinkle of thunal and a pinch of salt if not rico.
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:23 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:17 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:12 am I do not want to spend the next 24 hrs going over and over this, too me at least, obvious point.

I will say, that Thunal's inability to consider that AFK Maf would bus their teammate to go F3...that's such an obvious scum move, it's making me think the solve is in Rico/Thunal
But what is the end goal of a W!Thunal going through the trouble of removing Rico from the POE?

She’s already been rather adamant while SVS was alive. It sounds like she’s come to the conclusion today that it’s just you

That's a fair point, and then my solve is still Rico/Epi

I don't see you as Maf. If you are, this is such a well deserved win, I don't even care (well...a little bit)

I have some mild sus of Thunal, largely cuz' of what I just mentioned, and my Nut sus has to do w/ the fact she's still alive, seems to be hunting, and her back n' forth on my slot v Syn last RD

Ultimately, I think it's just Rico. If he was town, I don't even know why he'd enter the game and play when he did. I think he'd just stay AFK. What he did w/ Epi is literally the only play he had as Maf to go deep
ok this is the one that makes me turn my head at a 25* angle.

Here he now thinks it’s just Rico, but still suspects both nut and thunal. A whole lot of options open and ready for f3. If falcon is mafia and we misyeet rico today, f3 is falcon, thunal and…probably nut? If he can stir up enough doubt in those 2, he can point to that in f3 in case he needs to switch it up.

Okokok but
His nut suspicion here is the one that tilts me. “My nut sus has to do w/ the fact she’s still alive”
That’s the same reason he suspects rico. What was SVS? Chop liver? Mafia can’t kill everyone every night, so this is a bit of a soggypapertowel suspicion to use for multiple people. Like, you can’t keep people in your POE just because you think they should have been NKd by now

Then vote me and get this RD over with. All of this is just blahblahblah, cuz' you're wrong. I'm town

I'm not going round and round with this stuff for the next 24hrs, and this is tedious.

I haven’t made up my mind. Im still looking at certain things.

@nutella who you thinking of voting

So let’s see.

Falcon has already voted rico, because that is basically his only option. Here is his progression today:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:02 am My solve stays in Rico/Nut

If Scotty or Thunal is Maf, well I don't think we're ever getting there this RD, if at all

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:05 am [VOTE: rico] aubergine

his vote of rico after this post basically says ‘I am committed to my solve of rico and tomorrow if rico is town, nut’

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:12 am I do not want to spend the next 24 hrs going over and over this, too me at least, obvious point.

I will say, that Thunal's inability to consider that AFK Maf would bus their teammate to go F3...that's such an obvious scum move, it's making me think the solve is in Rico/Thunal

now it’s a sprinkle of thunal and a pinch of salt if not rico.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:23 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:17 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:12 am I do not want to spend the next 24 hrs going over and over this, too me at least, obvious point.

I will say, that Thunal's inability to consider that AFK Maf would bus their teammate to go F3...that's such an obvious scum move, it's making me think the solve is in Rico/Thunal
But what is the end goal of a W!Thunal going through the trouble of removing Rico from the POE?

She’s already been rather adamant while SVS was alive. It sounds like she’s come to the conclusion today that it’s just you

That's a fair point, and then my solve is still Rico/Epi

I don't see you as Maf. If you are, this is such a well deserved win, I don't even care (well...a little bit)

I have some mild sus of Thunal, largely cuz' of what I just mentioned, and my Nut sus has to do w/ the fact she's still alive, seems to be hunting, and her back n' forth on my slot v Syn last RD

Ultimately, I think it's just Rico. If he was town, I don't even know why he'd enter the game and play when he did. I think he'd just stay AFK. What he did w/ Epi is literally the only play he had as Maf to go deep

ok this is the one that makes me turn my head at a 25* angle.

Here he now thinks it’s just Rico, but still suspects both nut and thunal. A whole lot of options open and ready for f3. If falcon is mafia and we misyeet rico today, f3 is falcon, thunal and…probably nut? If he can stir up enough doubt in those 2, he can point to that in f3 in case he needs to switch it up.

Okokok but
His nut suspicion here is the one that tilts me. “My nut sus has to do w/ the fact she’s still alive”
That’s the same reason he suspects rico. What was SVS? Chop liver? Mafia can’t kill everyone every night, so this is a bit of a soggypapertowel suspicion to use for multiple people. Like, you can’t keep people in your POE just because you think they should have been NKd by now

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:33 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:07 pm I don't really see how town!Falcon thought it didn't make sense for town!Rico to be alive.

Then vote me, you're just tunneling yourself into your bias.

Perhaps I'm doing that a bit as well, but I'm paranoid about all of you. You seem to just think it's me, with an outside chance of Scotty

Do you have any tinfoil of me? I haven’t seen it

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 5:20 pm i will be pretty unavailable starting thursday so it would be cool if we decided before then tbh

What happens if we miss today? Are you actually available for a potential f3?

Wait, no you didn’t. Ignore me

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:51 am >snip>
3. The math solve is falcon/scotty, in f5/f3 respectively, I realise it's not pleasant for them to face such PoE logic, but that's the best thing to roll with, unless better alternatives can be argued.

4. Speaking of things argued, both falcon and Scotty show intent to push a lynch on me, and I don't think either has clarified (or proved willing to clarify) their wolf!me perspectives i.e. how I had Thunal's lynch at a push of a button and decided to hard kill my teammate instead. Word/tone-wise, falcon seems very unwilling to formulate proper arguments, whilst Scotty does so, but also mixes them up with "it's gotta be"es.

Anyway, one of them is town, so clearly misguided, the other could very well be wolf and resort to this as his lifeline. Tempted to believe the wolf would also come in thread and push the "why isn't Rico nightkilled that's so SuuuuS" narrative. In this f5, it's likely both of them could vote me, so it takes one more voter to change mind. In f3, I expect the same - keep me alive, bring it down to a vote swing to misselim me. Stay strong town.

>snip<

Methinks you just made a slip

lol if it’s just falcon and rico is straight up just chillin with a cigar in his mcmansion with his 14 posts ready to win with the rest of us plebs

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:12 am I do not want to spend the next 24 hrs going over and over this, too me at least, obvious point.

I will say, that Thunal's inability to consider that AFK Maf would bus their teammate to go F3...that's such an obvious scum move, it's making me think the solve is in Rico/Thunal

Also wait, really? Solve in rico/thunal?

What about your tinfoil of nut?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:18 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:14 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:48 am I think Falcon probably ends the game. Scotty and Rico have quite a bit more going for them. If Rico's plan as wolf was to be this inactive then why would he bus Epi?
I’ve explained the strategy multiple times, and it is a good strategy if he’s actually wolf, especially if falcon and I don’t call him on it. The confusion of such a legitimate bus in a 2-mafia game solidifies his town status.

I think falcon’s point of ‘why is rico not dying’ is actually even EASIER to explain away: he’s not a strong town voice. Let’s say rico IS town. It’s not like he’s changing the world being around as town. Sounds like a pretty benign person to keep around even to Fx

He doesn't have to be a strong town voice, if he's actually town, he's confirmed town w/ that vote IMO

‘Confirmed town’ is an opinion of course

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:12 am I do not want to spend the next 24 hrs going over and over this, too me at least, obvious point.

I will say, that Thunal's inability to consider that AFK Maf would bus their teammate to go F3...that's such an obvious scum move, it's making me think the solve is in Rico/Thunal

But what is the end goal of a W!Thunal going through the trouble of removing Rico from the POE?

She’s already been rather adamant while SVS was alive. It sounds like she’s come to the conclusion today that it’s just you

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:48 am I think Falcon probably ends the game. Scotty and Rico have quite a bit more going for them. If Rico's plan as wolf was to be this inactive then why would he bus Epi?

I’ve explained the strategy multiple times, and it is a good strategy if he’s actually wolf, especially if falcon and I don’t call him on it. The confusion of such a legitimate bus in a 2-mafia game solidifies his town status.

I think falcon’s point of ‘why is rico not dying’ is actually even EASIER to explain away: he’s not a strong town voice. Let’s say rico IS town. It’s not like he’s changing the world being around as town. Sounds like a pretty benign person to keep around even to Fx

Did you hear about the time Falcon45ca was put in jail?

He was arrested for fowl play.

So that being said, I’m not expecting much from rico with regards to checking in, and I think I’m already talked my talk with falcon

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 5:23 pm though I also want to win with just 16 posts lol

Rico is at 14 posts.

Gonna be honest, this ploy is not helpful if Rico is town. Since it seems like he’s committed to this, he’s got 1 post left today, to vote. Based on his iso, it’ll be falcon. And if it’s not falcon, he’ll vote me tomorrow.

I don’t like the way this is going. But at least my mind is made up.

Falcon and I were the only ones even remotely tinfoiling rico yesterday, and if we yeet falcon today and he’s NOT mafia, I think the peripherals point to both of us being more right than not.

Anyway, would like everyone to check in. I feel like nothing has changed since yesterday in my reads, except that I am VERY confident mafia voted for Syn. Which rules out thunal

Until my last game that I replaced in late at Fx and lost, I haven’t lost in Fx. I blame me not starting the game. Still haven’t lost Fx in a game I started in, so if we get there, I feel pretty arrogantly confident

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 6:07 pm Meh, if it's rico honestly i take the L bc i do not think it's particularly cool that he was allowed to 1-2 post for two days and remain in the game regardless thats just scuffed shit.

I mean, I don’t see a post min requirement. It’s always been on us to determine if a low poster is town or not

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 6:12 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:40 pm I think it's more likely for me to have misread my PM than for Syn to be a wolf here.
I mean clearly i can be convinced of anything smh

I think you’ve been so all over the place with reads this game too that my tinfoil on you is so much less than rico

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 5:20 pm i will be pretty unavailable starting thursday so it would be cool if we decided before then tbh

Sure

Well

I also am leaning falcon, as per yesterday.

But I caution here. If we’re wrong with falcon, it’s gotta be rico, and I get the vibe that’s not how f3 is going to go, as I am a lock for f3..

Balls, y’all. Balls.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:21 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:01 pm @falcon45ca how are you feeling about Rico atm?

I suspect they're Maf, nothing's changed.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:01 pm I'm fine with Syn or Nut this RD

You’re like the only person suspecting nutella atm, so why didn’t you also include Rico in this?

@falcon45ca how are you feeling about Rico atm?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:30 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:27 am I just reread falcon’s iso. He never interacted with Epi once.
He did, however, talk about Epi by suggesting that this wasn’t bad Epi on account of an ‘activity litmus’.

His D2 was composed of focusing on Syn, avoiding the Epi suspicion that was forming, and making a vanity vote that remained a vanity vote on Syn

I think he’s just the wolf here

If I flip, the game is going to D4

Bank on it

Maybe. Talk to more me about nutella, since you basically cherry picked her name out of Epi’s anti spew list (which I’m not reading into because he was on his way out when he made that), then asked the thread at large about his treatment of her. Like, did you actually read his iso more before coming back with ‘im fine with syn or nut’?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:29 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:15 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:10 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:09 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:06 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:04 am [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

He's town ya nugget.

Oh well, I s'pose you'll find out soon enough.

I recommend solving the game now w/ a green flip in mind tho

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:25 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:11 am Syn
SVS
Scotty
nutella
Thunal
Rico
falcon
Epi

I feel pretty solid about the upper half of this list. Nutella I could still see being wrong on, but I'm very content with a townread there for now.

Solve is prolly in Rico, Thunal & I

Or is that too obvious?
im just going by your solve

That's funny, cuz I have myself as town.

Liar
But in all honesty, if you’re in the POE, especially one that you yourself have proposed, it makes sense to be fine with dying. I mean obviously if you’re town, the order of the poe is probably more preferable but I haven’t seen you so much as offer to be deaded

It never makes sense for town to be OK dying, that's absurd.

You pinning your vote for me on my POE from one post, which I also say is too obvious, is pretty damn wolfy. Especially given you have Syn & I recently as your vote for this RD, but Syn isn't even in that POE of mine you seem to be hanging your hat on

That was more of a joke post to point out a bit of an incongruity from you. I’ve already talked about why I think you’re wolf.

I just reread falcon’s iso. He never interacted with Epi once.
He did, however, talk about Epi by suggesting that this wasn’t bad Epi on account of an ‘activity litmus’.

His D2 was composed of focusing on Syn, avoiding the Epi suspicion that was forming, and making a vanity vote that remained a vanity vote on Syn

I think he’s just the wolf here

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:10 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:09 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:06 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:04 am [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

He's town ya nugget.

Oh well, I s'pose you'll find out soon enough.

I recommend solving the game now w/ a green flip in mind tho

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:25 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:11 am Syn
SVS
Scotty
nutella
Thunal
Rico
falcon
Epi

I feel pretty solid about the upper half of this list. Nutella I could still see being wrong on, but I'm very content with a townread there for now.

Solve is prolly in Rico, Thunal & I

Or is that too obvious?
im just going by your solve

That's funny, cuz I have myself as town.

Liar

But in all honesty, if you’re in the POE, especially one that you yourself have proposed, it makes sense to be fine with dying. I mean obviously if you’re town, the order of the poe is probably more preferable but I haven’t seen you so much as offer to be deaded

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:06 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:04 am [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

He's town ya nugget.

Oh well, I s'pose you'll find out soon enough.

I recommend solving the game now w/ a green flip in mind tho

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:25 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:11 am Syn
SVS
Scotty
nutella
Thunal
Rico
falcon
Epi

I feel pretty solid about the upper half of this list. Nutella I could still see being wrong on, but I'm very content with a townread there for now.

Solve is prolly in Rico, Thunal & I

Or is that too obvious?

im just going by your solve

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 6:51 am Look like we're pretty much on the same page.

I’d be remiss if I didn’t do DD. That’s how we sleepwalk into a loss

Reread Rico’s top of day and it’s just got some good takes.

I think I’m voting between falcon and syn today. Leaning falcon

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:24 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:13 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:02 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:25 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:11 am Syn
SVS
Scotty
nutella
Thunal
Rico
falcon
Epi

I feel pretty solid about the upper half of this list. Nutella I could still see being wrong on, but I'm very content with a townread there for now.

Solve is prolly in Rico, Thunal & I

Or is that too obvious?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:01 pm I'm fine with Syn or Nut this RD
Progression?

>

Imma change my name to chicken

chicken69lol

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