The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:31 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:29 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:09 pm Outside chance of scotty but I really don’t think so.

Why? I think Scotty is exactly mafia. Marmot focused a lot on him, voted him at points and interacted a lot, which he did with the other flipped wolves too (except for Alison). I remember playing a game where Scotty was mafia, I was town and we got to end game, and I was convinced Scotty was mafia, but others weren't listening and he won in FX. Please let this not be that.

Not to mention that Marmot voting Mac for the lulz in a Scotty town world makes no sense

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:37 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:25 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:55 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:22 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:24 am This post here from wolf JJJ has the near exact same feel to me:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:06 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 4:50 pm POE says it's Nook, but Wilgy is starting to Wilg me out...

What if, knowing he has some convalescence ahead of him, Wilgy puts in a Herculean D1 to setup a deep wolf game?

Could be. When I performed my prior review of Wilgy, it often felt like I had to nitpick to raise gripes. The case would have to be of the on-the-nose variety: he voted outed wolf, which invited Nanook's follow, and in so doing created a significant counterwagon to Sparkles. Then he fell off given his surgical needs. At this stage of play it's something that should be considered.

Is there something in particular that points your tinfoil in his direction instead of mine or Sabi's?

PoE created of Sloonei/Wilgy in spite of previous data and inclination compares to the PoE of Nook and I JJJ used. JJJ using Falcon's thinking to push this agenda screams in reminder when you use the context of Golden using Rondo's like/like check (which at the very least isn't still hard confirmed, and not the boldest claim imo).

And yes, I know you can't damn player behavior on the back of another player's previous actions, but wolf behavior I think finds a way to have lines of convergence where these patterns pop up and are correct.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:25 am (JJJ won Kid's Birthday Party Mafia with the above pivot for context)

Yep. Sad day, IIRC I was sus of JJJ's lukewarm playstyle, but didn't follow up enough due to pivoting. Golden's post does remind me of that tactic

I guess iata here if everyone but me agrees? Idk man
You can convince me it's an... attempt... at a pivot post. I think it would be weak if it legitimatally was
I dont think you could convince me its wilgy oriented specifically
And golden has done nothing with the so-called pivot and clearly seemed to be trying to think out loud when thread was dead
I would like to pump the brakes a little on this line of reasoning until I'm provided with far more reason to agree with the dissenters

Another thing I noticed about Golden's post is that it reads like an attempt to broaden the POE as wide as possible. This is also a very common and effective wolf tactic.

I was at a PoE of zero. Yes, I needed to broaden that.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:46 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:45 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:01 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:51 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:46 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:04 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:53 am

I could see this a high and low style role

Maybe she has 2 shots but 1 is for high poster 1 is for low.

Either way it’s a town role so idc that much if she’s hitting people in the POE

IS that a town role? 2 free shots every day if conditions are met? I mean maybe, but why are you so confident

She shot mafia and have been playing a townie game outside of the shot.

Is there a world where she’s third party? Maybe like 10% chance and guess what when we eliminate the last 1-2 mafia members if we haven’t won we get rid of neon simple.

Now isn’t the time to be going on paranoid witch hunts of the people who shot mafia it’ll only delay the game and there isn’t a single town reason for it

Of course you don’t want people suspecting those that shot mafia.

You shot mafia

Duh

But, also it never makes sense for mafia to shoot mafia unless

1. We’ve got two mafia teams (we don’t)

2. The theory is it wasn’t mafia but third party: if this is true it could only apply to Neon who’s been very town sided all game. Maybe she’s SK, but if so she’s playing it really poorly. So I’m inclined to think town

3. The ONLY potential caveat here and this would be in the most tin foil theory ever is that Wilgy is mafia who shoot mafia.

tbh Alison was a hero shot. There wasn’t conclusively that she was mafia. Maybe she was, maybe she wasn’t.

I wouldn’t presume to dictate how different teams act.

It’s logical to assume mafia wouldn’t be burning kills on their own team though.

And I don’t understand what you mean on Allison? Isn’t the fact she was a hero shot clearing

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:03 pm Wilgy's shot on mafia looks the worst of any of the shots on mafia, for what that's worth. MR was going down anyway and wilgy took forever to pull the trigger.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:01 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:51 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:46 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:04 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:53 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:42 am Also I see that tsp had 6 posts and 112 had 5 posts the day before they were shot.

I’d expect the low posting threshhold to be at least 10. But I’d recommend everyone post at least 20 times today just to be sure

I could see this a high and low style role

Maybe she has 2 shots but 1 is for high poster 1 is for low.

Either way it’s a town role so idc that much if she’s hitting people in the POE

IS that a town role? 2 free shots every day if conditions are met? I mean maybe, but why are you so confident

She shot mafia and have been playing a townie game outside of the shot.

Is there a world where she’s third party? Maybe like 10% chance and guess what when we eliminate the last 1-2 mafia members if we haven’t won we get rid of neon simple.

Now isn’t the time to be going on paranoid witch hunts of the people who shot mafia it’ll only delay the game and there isn’t a single town reason for it

Of course you don’t want people suspecting those that shot mafia.

You shot mafia

Duh

But, also it never makes sense for mafia to shoot mafia unless

1. We’ve got two mafia teams (we don’t)

2. The theory is it wasn’t mafia but third party: if this is true it could only apply to Neon who’s been very town sided all game. Maybe she’s SK, but if so she’s playing it really poorly. So I’m inclined to think town

3. The ONLY potential caveat here and this would be in the most tin foil theory ever is that Wilgy is mafia who shoot mafia.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:10 pm he has a 1-shot protection. similar to me and svs. he redirects a kill once, from himself to someone in his hood

we need to conserve posts. expect us to be very stingy with our posts. we can go until 659. if we go over 200 neon shoots our ass

-t

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:50 pm I’m also not married to this high/low posting big idea.

It’s only been floated by mafia up to this point until PC

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:46 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:04 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:53 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:42 am Also I see that tsp had 6 posts and 112 had 5 posts the day before they were shot.

I’d expect the low posting threshhold to be at least 10. But I’d recommend everyone post at least 20 times today just to be sure

I could see this a high and low style role

Maybe she has 2 shots but 1 is for high poster 1 is for low.

Either way it’s a town role so idc that much if she’s hitting people in the POE

IS that a town role? 2 free shots every day if conditions are met? I mean maybe, but why are you so confident

She shot mafia and have been playing a townie game outside of the shot.

Is there a world where she’s third party? Maybe like 10% chance and guess what when we eliminate the last 1-2 mafia members if we haven’t won we get rid of neon simple.

Now isn’t the time to be going on paranoid witch hunts of the people who shot mafia it’ll only delay the game and there isn’t a single town reason for it

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:04 pm town has like 8 "vanilla" towns who are all reactionary KP roles (or paranoid gun owners). 4 american and 4 kiwi

checks out with 3p having so much shields

also sig is just mafia vig lmao

i townread scotty based off tone (maybe i shouldnt)

atm im at

neon is outed 3p and needs to die

golden might be 3p

sig/scotty/rondo/dizzy contains the last mafia, imo

reminder that dizzy shot modsquad. he didnt shoot mafia

-t

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:53 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:42 am Also I see that tsp had 6 posts and 112 had 5 posts the day before they were shot.

I’d expect the low posting threshhold to be at least 10. But I’d recommend everyone post at least 20 times today just to be sure

I could see this a high and low style role

Maybe she has 2 shots but 1 is for high poster 1 is for low.

Either way it’s a town role so idc that much if she’s hitting people in the POE

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:35 am

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:32 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:29 am

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:27 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:25 am

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:16 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:40 am

How is that *not* a gamer moment? Lol like what about "soup mafia" makes you think "most definitely there is no mafia soup"

Additionally all of you are responsible for the singular crashed party when viewed outside of yourself. That's a price you inherently pay when you hydra

See this is what keeps bothering me about the slot you have tuutuu come in say something crazy (dw it makes the game more fun )

Then you’ve got sheep/Zeus coming in with totally opposite views.

I think this slot needs to be resolved sooner rather than later

What does multiple people living in one body have to do with alignment? I think it perfectly reasonable. Conjoined twins still have different thoughts- hell, I read about one getting married and the other being the bridesmaid. So.

Anyway,

I don’t think this has anything ti do with alignment.

Here’s my tinfoil: one of the town claiming to have vig power are actually mod squad.

You shot…who?

Neon and sig are the only people to have claimed a vig shot (unless you count the kiwi/american townies)

Who did sig shoot?

Does that align with mod squad?

sig shot Alison n2 (also sig prepare yourself)

~sheep

No

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:27 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:25 am

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:16 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:40 am

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:51 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:41 am

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:37 am tbh I want @falcon45ca to claim

~shep

ok, we kill PC for continually trying to get people to claim in a soup game.

[VOTE: PC ] aubergine

I firmly believe this isn't a soup game. If Nanook actually gave "soup mafia" soup that would not be a gamer moment.
Also saying that we're continually doing something when it's multiple different people sure is something.

How is that *not* a gamer moment? Lol like what about "soup mafia" makes you think "most definitely there is no mafia soup"

Additionally all of you are responsible for the singular crashed party when viewed outside of yourself. That's a price you inherently pay when you hydra

See this is what keeps bothering me about the slot you have tuutuu come in say something crazy (dw it makes the game more fun )

Then you’ve got sheep/Zeus coming in with totally opposite views.

I think this slot needs to be resolved sooner rather than later

What does multiple people living in one body have to do with alignment? I think it perfectly reasonable. Conjoined twins still have different thoughts- hell, I read about one getting married and the other being the bridesmaid. So.

Anyway,

I don’t think this has anything ti do with alignment.

Here’s my tinfoil: one of the town claiming to have vig power are actually mod squad.

You shot…who?

Neon and sig are the only people to have claimed a vig shot (unless you count the kiwi/american townies)

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:16 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:40 am

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:51 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:41 am

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:37 am tbh I want @falcon45ca to claim

~shep

ok, we kill PC for continually trying to get people to claim in a soup game.

[VOTE: PC ] aubergine

I firmly believe this isn't a soup game. If Nanook actually gave "soup mafia" soup that would not be a gamer moment.
Also saying that we're continually doing something when it's multiple different people sure is something.

How is that *not* a gamer moment? Lol like what about "soup mafia" makes you think "most definitely there is no mafia soup"

Additionally all of you are responsible for the singular crashed party when viewed outside of yourself. That's a price you inherently pay when you hydra

See this is what keeps bothering me about the slot you have tuutuu come in say something crazy (dw it makes the game more fun )

Then you’ve got sheep/Zeus coming in with totally opposite views.

I think this slot needs to be resolved sooner rather than later

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:02 am

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:48 am All of her targets check out: Sabi is a spammer. TSP made 5 posts. Creature is a spammer. 112 made barely any posts. Neon could have lied about her list, on D3 specifically. Neon's wincon could be kill X amount of people who's postcounts are in the extreme highs or lows

Sabi made over 200 posts d1. I think Neon told the truth about Creature and Rondo being on her n2 list - both spam way too much

I think that 200 post is the sweet spot for nook's eyes, given that that's our post cap. i think neon added a bunch of random names in her N3 shot list to throw people off of figuring out her conditions

IN ADDITION

neon's role is too powerful to be town

look at other town kp roles:

ender doesnt know what the fuck he gives

lily shoots one person per THREE night phases

sig shot, like once

in comparison, neon can shoot two people n1, two people n2, one person every night thereafter

on n3, lily the town kp could have killed 1 person. neon could have killed 5

Neon's role is way too broken and strong to be town

she is modsquad who's wincon is to moderate people posting too much or too little

-t

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:48 am @DrWilgy @Dyslexicon @EnderWiggin @falcon45ca @Golden @Guillotine @Kate @Neon @Porscha @RondoDimBuckle @S~V~S @Scotty @sig @Sloonei @Urist

THESE ARE SOME GALAXY BRAIN TAKES. PLEASE PAY ATTENTION:

If SVS flips modsquad, i think that means:

They are a faction, but they dont share a chat, and they dont know each others identities

What I think it means is that Nanook made these roles to help him moderate the game (hence the name mod squad)

Svs was anti-ate

The other two could be anti-angleshooting, anti-...toxicity? I dunno. something that moderates mafia games

Neon could be a modsquad thats focused on moderating post counts. Maybe she is like a janitor that cleans up both spammy highposters, and slankers.

All of her targets check out: Sabi is a spammer. TSP made 5 posts. Creature is a spammer. 112 made barely any posts. Neon could have lied about her list, on D3 specifically. Neon's wincon could be kill X amount of people who's postcounts are in the extreme highs or lows

In addition, i think after these modsquads "die", they dont actually die. Proven by ilario and hkatt not being given access to dvc immediately. I think that Nook continues to let them play the game and moderate it for him, allowing them to maybe interact with living people or their posts and fulfill their wincons, so he can be lazy and afk. So finally once these "dead" modsquad fulfill their moderator duties, Nook gives them the sweet release of death. Maybe ilario did so, that's why he was let into dvc. hollowkatt was not

IF svs does not flip mod squad, disregard. however if she does flip mod squad, this has merit because:

1) svs didnt know that she's modsquad. she didnt say she is
2) she didnt know hollowkatt. she didnt know his identity (part of her team). she referred to him as "that guy" as if he's some stranger

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separate from this, nook could be trolling us with paranoia sowing. 2 examples:
1) elaborating (was it in caps lock even?) that its not guaranteed that dnd members are all town. yet they probably are
2) naming the mafia soup mafia. yet potentially not giving them soup

-t

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:53 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:37 am I apologize to everyone- I’m so behind and don’t have a leg to stand on.

Can someone catch me up? I read the last 2 pages to try and piece things together. I’ve got
-falcon needs to claim bc ??
-Wilgy needs to claim bc ??
-Michelle and SVS got into a tussle but only michelle died and that’s weird?
-svs confirmed herself 3p, and at this stage should just be eliminated
-golden might be 3p??
-Ender and dizzy are convinced I am wolf.

Did I miss anything else big?

Also why are you voting Urist? It looks kind of lonely

~sheep

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:45 am

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:39 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:37 am I apologize to everyone- I’m so behind and don’t have a leg to stand on.

Can someone catch me up? I read the last 2 pages to try and piece things together. I’ve got
-falcon needs to claim bc ??
-Wilgy needs to claim bc ??
-Michelle and SVS got into a tussle but only michelle died and that’s weird?
-svs confirmed herself 3p, and at this stage should just be eliminated
-golden might be 3p??
-Ender and dizzy are convinced I am wolf.

Did I miss anything else big?

falcon doesn't need to claim rn thanks to tutuu convincing me my reasoning was dumb (not revealing it in case it's useful later tbh)
Also do you have any other checks besides falcon?

No other checks! Last night was the first time my stupid role worked.

I can be really useful for town, but mostly I’ve determined if the target is inactive or just misreads. Which I think falcon fit the latter last night

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:39 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:37 am I apologize to everyone- I’m so behind and don’t have a leg to stand on.

Can someone catch me up? I read the last 2 pages to try and piece things together. I’ve got
-falcon needs to claim bc ??
-Wilgy needs to claim bc ??
-Michelle and SVS got into a tussle but only michelle died and that’s weird?
-svs confirmed herself 3p, and at this stage should just be eliminated
-golden might be 3p??
-Ender and dizzy are convinced I am wolf.

Did I miss anything else big?

falcon doesn't need to claim rn thanks to tutuu convincing me my reasoning was dumb (not revealing it in case it's useful later tbh)
Also do you have any other checks besides falcon?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:11 am [quote=Scotty post_id=<a href="tel:1019468">1019468</a> time=<a href="tel:1677420518">1677420518</a> user_id=410]
Hi folks

I’m currently in the ocean on a boat with 20mb of Wi-Fi so I using it to say falcon is vanilla

Whether or not he is vanilla town or mafia or not is to be discovered.

Anyway, hopefully I get back to make a vote but I haven’t read. Die marmot die

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:57 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:30 pm @falcon45ca why aren't you running me down?

Is this a serious question?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:55 pm i gotta go now keeping my vote here even tho it doesnt matter too much

peace

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:55 pm i had this tinfoil earlier that mac started getting mad that we wanted him to use his ability he might be 3p or something and lied about his role

i strongly urge u to keep 2 votes on him to let him kill again so he doesnt get away if he's some kind of 3p role

-t

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:54 pm The greatest thing is, even if I die tonight, it doesnt matter

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:52 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:51 pm can we just kill scotty please?

I thought we're letting Mac do that

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:52 pm [VOTE: mac] aubergine

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:51 pm can we just kill scotty please?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:45 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:44 pm Ok so I support a sloonei chop today.

But I’m also self locked on Mac for the good of the town

Someone do something towny

Not sloonie today

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:42 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:42 pm meh I just looked through lily’s iso again with fresh eyes confbiasing that she’s town and now I can see a world where she’s town
-she didn’t have strong wim on d1, so it’s not like it went down
-she did vote for sabi and have what looks like a legit suspicion. When she came back later, it was a wagon bw cape and iawy and she just shrugged.
-she could have very well targeted sabi. If she is what she says she is- which is a specific claim to make- she probably did target someone that died. I guess she could hVe made up sabi as the target for cred

I dunno. I may be back on the falcon wagon.

But so far it’s just me and maybe rondo

Join me on the Scotty wag-- oh wait.

Sloonei?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:41 pm Also Scotty can just not die but swapping vote last second to not get shot @Golden