The Syndicate

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 21, 2022 3:05 pm Also, the post count in this game was far too high, and really unproductive.

Wont disagree with that.

Dolby (4000)

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 21, 2022 3:00 pm What I wanted to say at EoD was (I posted at some point that I'd give the correct mech response 10 minutes before EoD): Heal TSP

I wasn't present around EoD though. The reasoning is that Mafia would have healed him earlier, but also telling mafia that's the plan is counter productive.

That’s exactly what I was thinking. I asked nook if I were to heal but I wasn’t the only one, would I still get CP. the answer was yes, which meant there really wasn’t a reason not to heal him

Who knows if a 6 v 4 situation would save us however. TSP being alive entering d4….is still a hard situation. I think he would still want to be resolved by the thread

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 21, 2022 2:58 pm On a positive town note:

I actually think that town made good mechanical kills on days 2 & 3 where reads were pretty much irrelevant due to town being a cluster fuck of bad reads, and conflicting reads, and shutting down actual correct reads from developing.

I still have no idea what my towntell is that you seem to be keeping so close to your chest.

And ftr you convinced me on Wilgy being town with your little paragraph.

And sorry I didn’t heal you TSP, I was pussyfooting around (as I was all game) and only started making up my mind to do so after everyone hammered lol

Mafia creamed us and that was embarrassing. Not gonna sugar coat it- that was a sound defeat, and no one from town played well (if you think you did, take a step back lol) and everyone from mafia played great.

Dolby getting a wagon on D1 was the closest we ever came.

Glad that nightmare is over. I only just started coming around on rask but as NAA said, there wasn’t a unifying town core agreeing anything for too long in this game to come to a positive resolution.

Oh, in case anyone wants to know, I just got confirmation from the host that if a Paladin blocks a player that was spec’ing, Paladin still gets CP.

Oh and I noted your case on Wilgy, @NotAnAxehole . I appreciate it. Definitely a unique viewpoint

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:04 am i'm also confirmed town because scum is voting for me

Who you looking to end your vote on by end of day?

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:50 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:36 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:06 pm People who can have p1

Wilgy
Jack (unlikely)
LP
Marmot (claimed)
Scotty
Sig (pretty likely if w imo)
Syn

technically Rask could as well but unlikely
I have p2
but you don't have any confirmed actions

so you could secretly be like

d1p1

Granted neither do i

I’m just looking into a world where almost all of us that have been active today are just confused town, and my two top town reads in syn and petit, who have been in the peripherals today at best, are just sitting back.

Partner? maybe tsp/Wilgy and sig

Boom solved

Did petit claim why they targeted Syn to block?

What if

What if they are both wolves?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:21 pm I don't think we elim TSP today though, there's a chance that mafia have a heal saved for him if he's a wolf, this is true, but we can kill him tomorrow if that's the case

And it also forces mafia to heal today, forgoing any night action tonight.

If rather not risk it. That player gets CP to add to their pile if they are successful anyway. It doesn’t stop them from carrying out the NK

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:16 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:14 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:12 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:10 pm Someone is evading the blockers to get these kills out. And half of the people have seemingly claimed blocker. They just getting through.

Could be credence to this sig hitman theory
I don't know what kills you could be refering to but NAA claimed the poison on TSP
Mafia kills
I think the only claimed P3 roleblock was Urist last night, who rbed jack

Ah yeah
That’s right

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:16 pm Tbh you probably should have stuck with the lie, but it's probably not a big deal.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:14 pm Now I'm hearing that you Re-specced last night and also used Druid 2.

No, I used Druid 2 (tried) N1.
I lied about using it twice.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:12 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:10 pm Someone is evading the blockers to get these kills out. And half of the people have seemingly claimed blocker. They just getting through.

Could be credence to this sig hitman theory
I don't know what kills you could be refering to but NAA claimed the poison on TSP

Mafia kills

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:12 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:51 am I think town is getting steamrolled as well if both HK and LP are both Druids.

I am also a Druid

If I could go back and redo N0, seeing Druid in action, it’s just incredibly unbalanced in comparison to the other roles and I wouldn’t have picked it. I just figured no one else would. ‘Twas wrong.

Paladin 1 is an instant use, and can be used in conjunction with others in the same cycle. AND you get a CP for successfully healing. It wouldn’t surprise me if TSP were instahealed by a player just to get that extra CP, regardless of if they found him guilty.
Warrior 1 is super useful with 95% success rate and can kill by N3.

This is all fruitless on D3 and should have been touched on more D1 or something so whatever

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:00 am I’ve taken Druid 2 twice now and I’ve hit nothing btw. So I’m essentially a waste of space.

These posts suggest you've been a druid to this point Scotty unless I've misinterpreted.

The second part was a lie. I respec’d last night

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:10 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:09 pm Also I didn’t say what I did last night. I respec’d into Warrior 2 and plan on killing sig tonite
remind me what you did n1?

Tried to Druid 2 Hk, learned I was blocked by dya

Someone is evading the blockers to get these kills out. And half of the people have seemingly claimed blocker. They just getting through.

Could be credence to this sig hitman theory

Also I didn’t say what I did last night. I respec’d into Warrior 2 and plan on killing sig tonite

I’m unfortunately on the boat that thinks we should lynch TSP today. I think we should abandon the idealized version of what wolves are. There’s bound to be at least one with Paladin 1. If tsp is wolf, he safe.

So we should just lynch him to be sure.

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Okay I’m caught up

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:33 pm TSP dies to random poison is the only fitting end for him.

Narrator: he won’t.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:35 pm this is the point where naa self-votes to sheep scotty

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:34 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:32 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:31 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:30 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:29 pm I don't think DrWilgy is mafia.
This is where you would then add, “because…..”
I've tried on other cases, nobody will care either way about justifications, and will just continue with their read.
Let's try this.

I don't care about your read with a lack of justification.
I'm already committed to sheeping Scotty to victory or defeat. I think this town needs more followers right now.

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine

Be a team player, not a sychophant

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:31 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:30 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:29 pm I don't think DrWilgy is mafia.
This is where you would then add, “because…..”
I've tried on other cases, nobody will care either way about justifications, and will just continue with their read.

All I’ve asked for you all game is explaining your reads, and you fail to do that, and everyone seems to just shrug and say that’s NAI or you’re town for it, but like..help us eliminate you from the POE

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:29 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:25 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:20 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:15 pm Why do you think Urist is scum in the Urist/Jack cc when Jack himself is even calling Urist town?
If I considered everyone's town reads, then the entire game is town. Good solve.

I don't recall seeing this from Jack, but I'll take your word that it happened post-mech talk.

My point is that Jack and Urist entered a CC. Jack then decided that Urist was truthful and called it a day.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:57 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:53 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:52 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:51 pm Urist, are you Paladin 3?
Paladin 2 is also a block…
Yes, but Paladin 3 informs the blockee they were blocked.
Hence, you saying you don’t know if you were blocked or not, and urist saying you should know you were blocked..
If he used Pal3. If he used Pal2, I wouldn’t.

You’re making a claim for Urist. Urist claimed a block on me AFTER I said I didn’t know if I was blocked or not so if Urist was gonna say I was mechanically outted as lying, he could have said it then.

Maybe he’ll come back and say so (a lie or a host error) but I doubt it cause host error isn’t that common and Urist likely town.

If you think they're both wolves, that's fine, but assuming that you don't why do you take away from this interaction between Urist and Jack that Urist is scum and Jack is town when Jack himself, who has more info in this CC than any of us do, is calling Urist town from it?
I don't take anything away from that particular interaction, notice my SoD position was kill LP, kill Urist... It's logical from town!jack perspective look for some sort of logic behind his impotence. Urist claiming a role block without explicitly saying Jack is outed is very understandable from Jack's perspective IF jack's results are as claimed.

Urist did immediately bring attention to it, however.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:26 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:24 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:16 pm I just hate that it’s D3 and none of us have any info mech to talk about. Just that dya is a blocking god and NAA has poisoned someone in the POE.
I’ve failed 2 actions in a row. No idea if I was blocked or if I missed my die roll.
scum claim

This was like 5 posts after saying ‘The only play here is to kill LP’

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:29 pm I don't think DrWilgy is mafia.

This is where you would then add, “because…..”

I do think Wilgy is still a hit here.

Dunya was wrong about creature, but she even more certain about Wilgy.

My own isoing leads me to believe, especially from his D1, that he didn’t even know what reads he had.

I just want a bonafide hit today or else we’Re probably gonna lose this game.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:24 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:22 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:21 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:19 pm God that was a confusing statement.

I still think jack is bad
I think you're wrong, I'm still sheeping you.
I’m supposed to scare away the sheep, not bring them into the fold
I told you, if you're mafia, I think it's fair to concede. Even though I still think we should have killed you D1.

who are you

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:21 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:19 pm God that was a confusing statement.

I still think jack is bad
I get it, but scum Urist messing up in that interaction is more likely than scum Jack

Yeah, I see no world in which jack and urist are W/w

However, if we assume the host made an error and we just believe that jack was successfully blocked by Urist, my feeling still stands that jack has some bad equity from ye olde Dunya days

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:21 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:19 pm God that was a confusing statement.

I still think jack is bad
I think you're wrong, I'm still sheeping you.

I’m supposed to scare away the sheep, not bring them into the fold

God that was a confusing statement.

I still think jack is bad

Regardless of the Paladin Puzzle in jack/urist, I still think jack has a lot of tentacles in the pot across the board, purely from eliminating town peoples from the bakery

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:12 pm I think Urist & LP are mafia within the conflicting claims. I think @Marmot is looking to see what narrative is available rather than scum hunting, thoughts?

Anything is possible.

I mean, just check Marmot’s signature

I’ve been viewing petit la pollo as town all game, but I think it’s been more of a vibe. I don’t remember what makes them town. Need to rectify that

Yeah, I don’t see any other thing in here but host error.

Am I really gonna end up with my vote on LP for the 3rd day in a row?

There’s too many wolves in this game.

I’m just jonesing for mech info

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:06 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:04 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:03 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:01 pm “Paladin paradox resolution: If two Paladins target each other with blocks, the higher class level prevails. If they are the same class level, both are considered roleblocked for Class Actions but NOT for the factional kill.”

Jack says he blocked urist with Paladin 2
Urist says he blocked jack work Paladin 3.
ok so Jack should've been roleblocked and notified
That’s the gist.

There’s always the chance that urist is lying here, but his claim seemed so offhand and he didn’t immediately use it to bury jack. I think that’s a good look.

I guess we wait to hear of host errors tho
I'd actually say if it is a 50/50 that urist is more likely the scum here and may have thought that Jack was true roleblocked and trying to bait pali 2 claims?

Just makes no sense imo for Jack as mafia to not claim roleblocked, given that the factional went through

Gosh darn it, you’re right.

Is it a host error

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:03 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:01 pm “Paladin paradox resolution: If two Paladins target each other with blocks, the higher class level prevails. If they are the same class level, both are considered roleblocked for Class Actions but NOT for the factional kill.”

Jack says he blocked urist with Paladin 2
Urist says he blocked jack work Paladin 3.
ok so Jack should've been roleblocked and notified

That’s the gist.

There’s always the chance that urist is lying here, but his claim seemed so offhand and he didn’t immediately use it to bury jack. I think that’s a good look.

I guess we wait to hear of host errors tho

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:02 pm Jack are you 100% sure you weren't given a roleblock notif N2

Urist are you 100% sure you used paladin 3

To the second point- it’s not like he can action down. Once you’re in the 3rd stage, you’re using that action

If it’s a host error, this is bad.

“Paladin paradox resolution: If two Paladins target each other with blocks, the higher class level prevails. If they are the same class level, both are considered roleblocked for Class Actions but NOT for the factional kill.”

Jack says he blocked urist with Paladin 2
Urist says he blocked jack work Paladin 3.

Scumchat going crazy

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:56 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:51 pm Urist, are you Paladin 3?
Yep

Ok.

Sooooooo

Like.

Jack is scum then. You caught him in a lie.

Such is my life in this game

Cool, guess we’ll just ignore this and move on then.

Urist where you at. You disappeared my ghost

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:52 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:51 pm Urist, are you Paladin 3?
Paladin 2 is also a block…

Yes, but Paladin 3 informs the blockee they were blocked.
Hence, you saying you don’t know if you were blocked or not, and urist saying you should know you were blocked..

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