The Syndicate

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:10 pm I know this was said in DVC/Post game chat but Scotty really really is the reason this game was won by town. He came into the last day hellbent on solving the game, was the first one to really really vocalize suspicion on anyone in the soup post, and worked really hard to come up with the right solve.

His shot on Lime Coke was inspired genius, and then his turn on Alison likewise. GG Scotty.

I gotta only take some credit. Yea, I did what I could when my ass was on the line, but I definitely wasn’t the first to suspect the soup. ‘‘Twas an overall town win!

Dolby might have been UTR but in my ISOing he correctly called out soon after the soup that the soup might be fake and LC might have been the bad one on it. It’s little details like that that made me shoot Alison instead of him at the end.

Also thank you to the graveyard who wanted me dead for about 4 nights in a row but couldn’t make it happen when it would’ve counted

honey wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:37 pm good job for getting yourself out of poe scotty!!!

Spoiler: show

(if you see anything about a spirit judge and me voting to kill you everyday in the graveyard chat, please ignore)

Lol I get it tho, at this point I had done nothing mechanically pertinent. With that soup kill gambit, I was all but guilty looking.

And I guess even before then, I was just a scummy looking person. Nbd honey!

Thanks for the game, Guillo. That was…a journey for sure. Those flavor cards are gorgeous. Did you make them yourself?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:08 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:07 pm Well played, mafia. I was sweating bullets there in the end that I made the wrong call. How did you get to lolcat my shot?

It turned me into an animal so I could only post in animal gifs. No idea why that happened.

Alison, you almost had me played. I was very close to shooting Dolby as of 5 hours ago, but whittled through Dolby’s iso and found so many more times where he correctly called out the fake soup and just said the right things that were toooo towny.

Also I didn’t have a second gun, that was my role power, which I WAS TOLD was a day vig shot that I earned from correctly guessing TH would die on D5. Instead apparently it was a complete lie.

I don’t like bastard games

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:08 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:07 pm Well played, mafia. I was sweating bullets there in the end that I made the wrong call. How did you get to lolcat my shot?

It turned me into an animal so I could only post in animal gifs. No idea why that happened.

Lol bastard game

If I hadn’t made those shots, does town lose in the night? Without me shooting I’m lynched for sure.

Did y’all have a soup left?

Well played, mafia. I was sweating bullets there in the end that I made the wrong call. How did you get to lolcat my shot?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:31 pm im hammering scotty

I have one more post after this, but I want you to really think about this before advancing. Alison obviously planned to be shot and eat it. Whether that is AI is one thing, but note that she is still No Uing. I have done everything I have said I was going to.

If you lynch me maaaaybe we still have a chance that they won’t auto win tonight.

Also I think you are being idiotic if you think my behavior today indicates anything mafia like.

Either way, mafia have played very well. I can’t be too mad if I get lynched

Ok someone’s gonna have to figure this one out for me as I only have 2 more posts. I shot Alison. She seemed to absorb it but has to lolcat now. I don’t know wtf that means.

Im still going to vote her unless someone can come up with a better solution to vote Dolby instead. Seems like she had planned this though.

Damn bastard games.

If neither of Dolby or Alison are wolves, then gg mac or HK.

I did see that Mafia ascetic is a role on the Grand Idea Thread, which would fit for Mac, but I think everything else is so much more likely toward Dolby/Alison. They both have such strong town and scum equity. It really sucks fam
If HK is scum there’s really no way I would be able to know that, so gg

Ok fam, I don’t think I can wait too much longer. And I hope this doesn’t lose us the game. I did what I could.

I’m shooting, and if I’m wrong, I’m immediately voting for the other. Hopefully there’s no fuckery.. Good luck town

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:48 pm I don't know. TH, Michelle and Nanook are the most likely faked flips if I had to guess. Nanook was kinda townie on play and sheeped both me and Mac onto both LC and Ender D1. Michelle has a polarized scum range and she was very firmly in her town meta when she died. TH was obviously just omega scummy.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:30 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:16 am

A Soup Kill Has Been Attempted!

The following soup kill has been submitted:

MacDougall - Ascetic
Dolby - Lie Detector
Lime Coke - Doctor
Alison - Bomb Giver

One or more of these players has been wrongly matched to their roles, as a result, the soup kill fails and the mafia team will lose their factional kill for tonight.

This spews LoMo as town. I believe the mafia were under the impression that I gave a bomb to LoMo which exploded when Michelle tried to kill him, leading to her death. I will not confirm or deny the details of my action in case they have another soup, but trying to soup me as specifically bomb giver suggests that Michelle did indeed die when she tried to kill LoMo.

Do you not still think your role is partly responsible for killing Michelle who tried to kill lomo?

“Mom always said not to play the roulette table just betting on red or black. But it’s so enjoyable to watch that ball! Spin spin spin

Your odds are almost 50/50, if it weren’t for those stupid 0’s mucking up the probability. Hence why the house always has an edge in that game. Mac is my 0 (but not A zero, ya dig?)

HK is the card counter at the roulette table, and no one will catch him counting cards here. Guillo is the guy on the surveillance cams makin sure I don’t count cards at roulette.
Listo and nook got into a fight at the bar over the pretty waitress and died of their injuries. C4 choked on a pretzel while at slots.

I’m drunk off of whatever booze the person at this spot left, and just want it to be over

Until tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow”

-William Shakespeare

I only have 8 posts left after this, so it’s going to be hard to do any sort of coordination from my end for us all to be on at the same time. I may just have to shoot some time in the next few hours and hope either I shoot correctly or I shoot town and we can get 3 votes on the other.

Or if someone has a better idea, lemme know. I don’t enjoy being Rambo

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:16 am Actually.

Maybe what actually happened to me is that the gun I got was a standard issue 50/50 gun much like the one Seanzie got but my vest activated and is what caused me to have the role switch.

I am still wearing the vest. I was told I'd get notified if it was ever pierced. That doesn't mean it's a bulletproof vest necessarily. Or maybe it is but when I get capped I get my old role back also.

Who do you think gave you that gun?
And do you think there are other types of guns out there or just that one 50/50 gun, that both Dolby and I have successfully fired?

In my iso’ing of Alison, she is a salad of WIFOM with extra ranch dressing.

When she says things, she hits them at several angles and they’re all logical. I find myself nodding my head every other post. I have heard of Alison the powerwolf of yore, and I know that she is capable of going deep as powerwolf.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:57 am @c4e5g3d5 ... I think you might be right about Lime Coke. I just read his ISO and he is scummy. If I had to point something out in particular it would be his dealing with your slot. He wanted to bury Creature but that slowly dissipated for no apparent reason and in the face of youn subbing into that slot he has refused to pick back up the suspicion.

Also his post count deteriorated every day. As the game has gone on his wim to solve has dried up.

Maybe you are just that good...

My read on LC is that his logs are bad and his presence in the soup kill is good.

Essentially if you believe the soup kill is a genuine attempt at murdering town then LC is cleared, if you harbor doubts about how real it is then LC should be POE'd. I believe the soup kill is real (see previous analysis) so I am comfortable clearing LC here.

All reasonable WIFOM.

Day 4: The way she goes about breaking down this voting analysis is sound, but her conclusions fit her own agenda. Where she says the LC vote looks scummy but is actually town, I say looks scummy and we know is scummy. I don’t know how often a person would make that vote and is actually town- maybe it is higher- but Alison knows how to appeal to stats and can stack those stats in explaining if she needs to push a specific read.

In the second quote, again, she waffles with the thought that LC looks wolfy, but also is town because look at this minute detail where he banters with honey- that looks super hard for mafia to fake! (Again, is it? Where are those stats?)

Day 3: Offering incredulity of the potential fake soup. WIFOM. However, we can see linked that even Ender was pushing the idea of fake soup, which is lol WIFOM. “Maybe they were right about Mac, and it’s Lime Coke that isn’t a doctor, or whatever”
Indeedy.


Here’s another reason to scum read Alison:
She’s still alive.

If you look into the epochs of time of this game, you’ll see everyone under the sun continually working to town read her and save her. Especially all the wolves.
If you’re a wolf, and day 4 comes around, where there are no night polls to protect you, and the soup kill is real but you still don’t know Alison’s role, why keep her around? She’s a strong presence and has essentially worked in tandem with mac this whole game.
She’s probably not gonna reveal her role any further than what you have (where tf is this soft claim of “Bomb
Maker” anyway??) you should probably cut ties as soon as you feel safe to do so.

We know LC was no doctor, so what are you waiting for? She should have been gone by N5 if mafia were scared of her. Which they should be if she is town.


If Alison is mafia, she simply must be the one giving out shitty guns. The only way Mac is town is if he got a shitty gun that forces that role upon him. Or else she has some form of investigative power. We haven’t seen any guns used since D2 and me. I know I got a good gun- the kind that Dolby received.

My qualm here with Alison being bad is that there must be a town power that can give good guns for their to be a separate mafia power to give bad ones. We have seen neither, but Dolby claims to “give guns”. Could be that Dolby has two powers- give shit guns and give good guns.

I’m back in the Dolby camp of being bad right now as I’m writing this lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:25 am Alison has the worst mech clear. Which if anything in a game with seemingly so much capability to gain false mech clearance, makes her kinda townier.

Dolby has a mech clear AND towniness. So I am just taking him as lock.

Scotty, I should park my paranoia and sheep dead town.

I kinda think Scotty should holster his gun. We chop HK. Let the mafia clear another player. Go to regular f3. If Scotty is town with a gun, the mafia will clear him tonight? They never take Scotty with a gun to f3?

If f3 has Scotty you just chop him? Otherwise you chop Alison?

I’m not holstering today. That there hasn’t been a soup is a good sign, and I don’t want to chance it happening in the night. This is do or die today imo

And lol how could HK be anything but town? His original flip would have to have been reverse. Is that a scenario that seems possible with the revealed roles?

Mornin’,

So I’m shooting between Dolby and Alison today, and I want to do it when everyone is around, just in case I’m wrong and the soup kill is attempted right after. Because if I’m wrong, they can probably win with Mac/HK vs me/Alison/Dolby. So we need to immediately vote whoever I don’t shoot if they’re town, just to be safe.

So here’s what I stayed up last night contemplating with Dolby:

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:23 pm I’m getting soup killed for this

HK, Seanzie, and myself were all intended gun recipients last night. This is a random 3, and non-exhaustive.

I did receive a gun

HK’s and Seanzie’s guns came from the same source

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:57 pm Every day except judgement I’ve been giving out guns

N1 was a 2-fer to HK and Seanzie
N2 was Alison and I really fucked up there and wasn’t paying attention
N3 couldn’t
N4 Mac
N5 Lime Coke. Was hoping to dodge a death

I don’t believe you. I don’t believe your claim.

I believe that you gave Mac his gun and HK never was a recipient. You said on D2 that you received a gun and implied it came from a different source. Well I believe you are the source.

We haven’t heard of anyone else giving guns. Maybe Alison?

I don’t believe you were ever scared of being in the Soup, because you are the Soup Nazi. Just as Ender didn’t seem scared of the soup.

You shooting Ender was the only towny thing you’ve done all game, and I think you were hoping it would let you ride all the way into the sunset. Not on this steed, Lone Ranger.

But let’s look closer at the Ender lie detect in context, shall we?
Night 2 (his only post):

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:46 am It’s painful to even skim at this particular moment. From what I’ve gathered the only thing that can be considered a hot take I have is that my boy Ender is probs town. I should be able to dedicate some time starting mid D3 if stuff calms down.

Day 3:

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:28 pm

this was the vote count at the time around the lie detect. Most town voices (myself included) had found the movement around ender’s train fishy (And knowing LC is bad it is glaringly obvious now lol). The trains have fluctuated all day but Ender was usually a front runner, and would need to be resolved if not today, then tomorrow.
Ender’s gettin lynched. There’s no real way around it. Scum had been trying all day to change that trajectory (nook tying it up with Ender 4, +1 GG to 4, Ender starting that creature train and LC trying valiantly to vote the highest train not Ender). Ender comes back late with a vengeance throwing anyone and everyone under the bus. Then who shows up at the same time? Lone Ranger Dolby, who has come to the rescue, to ask Ender to give him something to lie detect as ammo, and shoots. This manifesto before shooting is the ONLY thing that grinds my gears with the whole Dolby is aligned with mafia thing:

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:56 am If I die for this it was to cause chaos in the last 10 hours of day and I regret that and not coming here earlier but frankly I think that this is the shot that best improves the thread State, and only one different shot that I’d even consider taking would change the outcome of today.

If Ender is not lying (and thus is town) I die, frankly I think this is a pretty likely outcome but I think confirmed town Ender is pretty good for the thread if there really is no night kill tonight, and the only outcome that I think is likely to lead to Ender not being yeeted is a Creature red flip.

If Ender is mafia and lying, he dies.

I do not consider myself confirmed from the soup attempt. I think it’s possible that scum were using it to WIFOM or maybe try to force a clear (likely LC in that world). The trouble with looking at that mafia just could’ve submitted a less obvious fake on one of their own rather than “Mac: ascentic”

Glgl

If/when I flip town better move off him

Like holy shit: he exactly states what the deal with the soup is, and calls out LC for it. He didn’t need to do that.

Sorta like how Mac didn’t need to commit to there being 2 mafia members left before LC died.
But being the voice of reason is a relatable way to establish your end game longevity, so I’m gonna look past that WIFOM.


As a side note, the whole gun thing is still rubbing me the wrong way. When I asked Dolby to claim, he stated that he gives out guns every day. That’s it. That’s his role. Where does the ‘judgment day’ ability come in?
Tinfoil: I think Dolby receiving a gun and even his judgment day is conditional, based on if someone uses one of his shitty guns (a la mac or Seanzie). Note Seanzie dies and Mac gets gamma ray’d d2, and Dolby comes in swinging with a gun and that lie detector. And never again.

That is purely tinfoil, but it’s something I’m pondering, because a gunsmith who gives out guns, but has never admitted to giving himself a gun, is ???.

Why has none of the other targets he mention admit to having a gun?

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:23 pm I think that the solve is just in Alison/Mac since if Scotty has a second gun he’s clear and I’m not at HK flipping fake to try to get rezzed further down

Let’s be honest.

Alison even contemplating me as bad is red flag.

Because even with 1 gun and a most likely soup kill, bad me could have ended this game so fast at beginning of day.

My eye is actually on Alison if I had to shoot right now/
I will not because I want to do more digging tomorrow, but that’s where my head is at. Night all

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:15 pm Scotty, why did you get a gun when Ender flipped?

Ender flat out said he targeted me with a random power, and when I pressed him on it, he just said something to the effect of me being middle of the road.

So I got a gun via someone else’s random ability

Ima take a shower and take some time to think.

I only have like 15 posts left today ffs

We still haven’t won this, so I’m not patting myself on the back yet

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:13 pm Scotty just shoot yourself.

lol if I had a nickel

That the soup kill wasn’t already activated today should tell you:
-mafia doesn’t have enough info or feel confident in people’s roles or
-mafia can’t use it right now.

Because with at least 2 v 4 that would have been easy squeezy day

Second gun I got last night, dunno about that one

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:08 pm How did Scotty get the gun?

Which one

The first one was Ender I suppose, granting me a random ability. I was telling the truth when I said I received one, I just couldn’t determine if it were real or not. Today happened, and I just said fuck it

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:57 pm Every day except judgement I’ve been giving out guns

N1 was a 2-fer to HK and Seanzie
N2 was Alison and I really fucked up there and wasn’t paying attention
N3 couldn’t
N4 Mac
N5 Lime Coke. Was hoping to dodge a death

So supposedly Alison and Mac should still have guns?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:07 pm I was pretty sure the soup was real so this is a surprise to me. I kind of still think the last mafia is Scotty though. I don't think the shot clears him, since if he's mafia with LC he has no path to victory except bussing.

Are you kidding me

How would the wolves know Mac’s role so well in D3? I haven’t seen any sort of investigative role in the revealed lists.

I spy with my little eye…

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:48 am

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:43 am OH sweetie you wish.

Show me my open wolf?

I'll pass on that. Engaging with you is pointless.

My shitty role is ascetic/miller/disloyal paranoid gun owner.

ascetic means only killing roles hit me. I activated it last night.

I activated miller tonight.

Disloyal PGO means that every town that targets me dies and the scum live.

I originally had a ghost rider themed role as you can see confirmed by the fact that Honey stole one of my n1 actions the penance stare.

Beyond that I buried ender on d1. My votes are sound and fresh. My vibes the sickest.

You do you "mod confirmed town in a bastard game trumps all".

If the wolves have a second soup then I'm dying anyway cuz they clearly already know my role as they wrote it in the soup kill already.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:54 pm N1 I used an action from my previous role called Blaze which was a role that turned me into a vengeful spirit if I was killed while it was active

N2 I didn't act because I was vanillaised by overposting. Which was ironic because all my abilities sucked anyway so it wasn't even a punishment.

N3 I activated ascetic.

N4 Miller.

Which means if I live until tomorrow I will be a disloyal PGO tomorrow so best no town come near me tomorrow night.

This is Mac’s claim. Very thorough.

He could be making it all up.

However, he has been very upfront.

Alison has not. She has “claimed” to be 80% sure she was responsible for Michelle’s death, and was kidnapped.

Could be a ploy

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:50 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:48 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:47 pm If you’re asking if I have a second lie detector use I do not

Would you feel comfortable claiming what you do have? Since you were already in the “soup” regardless of if it was real or not.

Because they obviously know you are a lie detector

Do we think that there’s any possibility of a soup kill not taking previous guesses AND it being on a cycle every 3 days?

My point is that it doesn’t matter for you: they already know one of your roles

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:47 pm If you’re asking if I have a second lie detector use I do not

Would you feel comfortable claiming what you do have? Since you were already in the “soup” regardless of if it was real or not.

Because they obviously know you are a lie detector

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:44 pm Flip was not fake

there’s no way that scum Scotty does this shot in a 4v2

Lime Coke was strapped to so this is a hard clear

Welcome back. Do you have any ability that might help us solve who among Mac/Alison is bad?

I have a sneaking suspicion but wanna hear your take

Oh and btw I have another gun, so we can go crazy if we want

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:43 pm HK is clear. There’s no town role that would Rez him with another ability.

I’m cleared.

Another *alignment

HK is clear. There’s no town role that would Rez him with another ability.

I’m cleared.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:41 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:29 pm Come on of course he’s not just playing a game, he’s either insanified or pretending to be, so looks like I gotta do this on my own

too true, ok, lets talk.
I think dolby being Izanoomi hard clears mac.

So that's one "can't be a wolf".

I know I can't be a wolf so for me that's two.

Alison was kidnapped and no town has flipped kidnapper AND nobody has claimed the kidnapping. This proves Alison is town UNLESS if and only if there are two wolves and alisons partner is the kidnapper.

That's three.

Leaves one (or two) wolves in LC, Dolby, Scotty.

Of those Dolby sheeped me on TSP (eh, not incriminating tbh), killed Ender via Lie Detector (seems townie as fuck), and generally has been playing very townie.
So dolby being town comes down to "is he faking the Izanoomi" or not.

Who’s the other scum in that soup list? Is it you, mac?

Wait…is the game still going?

Shit

BOOOOOOM

If it kills me, so be it. Hopefully y’all can learn from it

I thoroughly apologize to everyone if I am wrong, but I have a gun and I feel like I have to shoot it since Dolby is out of the picture and I’m still the logical chop.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:29 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:28 pm does Dolby being Izanoomi hard clear mac? I think it does

Here’s the thing about hard claiming.

Someone in the soup kill is bad, so I ain’t taking any mafia effects as canon w/t

*clearing

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:28 pm does Dolby being Izanoomi hard clear mac? I think it does

Here’s the thing about hard claiming.

Someone in the soup kill is bad, so I ain’t taking any mafia effects as canon w/t

Come on of course he’s not just playing a game, he’s either insanified or pretending to be, so looks like I gotta do this on my own

Now I really feel setup. Either Dolby is good and was just the perfect victim for this because he probably can’t do his lie detector or he’s faking the whole thing

Gah

Oh ffs he’s claiming he was insanified

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:20 pm I got home but I have a decent sized headache right now, might be a migraine, and I can't find my imitrex. I'll try to be on but if the pain is too much I'm gonna have to try to sleep it off.

Try some flavored Coke to take the edge off

jk hope it passes mate

Actually no not jk, because caffeine has been known to help with that lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:46 pm which means if was very likely just a real soup and Scotty is outed last mafia

The soup might be real, but regardless, someone is hiding in it, and burned their soup for the long con.

The soup might be fake, and was out there so someone could hide in it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:46 pm which means if was very likely just a real soup and Scotty is outed last mafia

Dolby’s absence in this matter is going to give me an aneurysm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:06 pm rightio well its not like my vote is a death sentence. 4 is hammer.

If a town joins you, and if there’s still 2 wolves in, I’m toast