It happens.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 8:08 pmtoday I realized I am bad at reading like holy fuckNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 7:55 pmNobody is voting me.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 7:41 pmmight want to tell your green check you have a green check on him b/c he's voting for youNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 7:34 pmIf you think I'm the Jester, you won't kill me.
Agree, Nanook town, I have a green check on him.
Which part? That nook is town or the Turkish salad?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:24 pmwaaaaat
I think nook is close to towniest here.
That he *is* jester? Why?
So if you were NK’d immediately die that shtick it would make sense to change up your jester play, eh?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:50 pmI have, on MafiaCafe. I was the wolves N1 kill lololScotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:20 pmI do not currently see your self described town game right now.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:00 pmObvs this gets straight into self-meta and wifom territory but when I wolf I try to get town to do as much of my work as I can, especially early. Later in the game I'll have to make harder pushes and do NK damage but early game if town wants to kill town I'll get out of the way.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:46 pmThat’s what I meant. How does that spew you not jester? The deaths of your wolf reads don’t correlate. Or else I just don’t understand
My town game is literally "push players I think are wolves full stop"
My jester game though is be a chaos goblin, do whatever I want whenever I want. Swap reads at the drop of a hat, decide to hyperpost about nothing at all, or decide to not post and see what that does.
Have you been a jester before?
my chaos goblin act actually put wagons on at least one wolf and apparently they had the fear.
I do not currently see your self described town game right now.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:00 pmObvs this gets straight into self-meta and wifom territory but when I wolf I try to get town to do as much of my work as I can, especially early. Later in the game I'll have to make harder pushes and do NK damage but early game if town wants to kill town I'll get out of the way.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:46 pmThat’s what I meant. How does that spew you not jester? The deaths of your wolf reads don’t correlate. Or else I just don’t understand
My town game is literally "push players I think are wolves full stop"
My jester game though is be a chaos goblin, do whatever I want whenever I want. Swap reads at the drop of a hat, decide to hyperpost about nothing at all, or decide to not post and see what that does.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:56 pmScotty is outed jester lolhollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:24 pm I think I've spewed myself not jester. I think scotty, naa, and falcon have done the same.
That’s what I meant. How does that spew you not jester? The deaths of your wolf reads don’t correlate. Or else I just don’t understand
That’s the thing- I just get the impression that you were just cheesing around in the breeze at the end of the day. Did you even end your vote on anyone?Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:43 pmI mean...my exchange with NAA isn't really anything to look at, since I've literally done it every game and stand by my statements.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:24 pmI was thinking about LC a lot last night and I can’t actually remember anything he said yesterday, so I went back and looked. He seemed to town read more than suspect, and then his exchange with you was like a maraca during the Moonlight Sonata. Like it was half-formed and stilted, and he didn’t really mean what he was saying.
NAA is sure LC is mafia, but I’m more in the camp that he’s up there with Marmot as a top suspect for jester. My perception is similar in that I don’t think he really seems to care about who is lynched,
And that might be intentional.
Sheeping NAA isn't a good option, case and point his read on me.
Is there anything based on my content that you want to ask about?
You actively attempting to present your ‘HK is a wolf but I think that makes him townie" meta’ and not wanting to be perceived as a different meta is…questionablehollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:30 pmI'm solidly in my "HK is a wolf but I think that makes him townie" metaScotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:26 pmlol it’s funny you think NAA has spewed himself the opposite of what he claims he won’t rescindhollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:24 pm I think I've spewed myself not jester. I think scotty, naa, and falcon have done the same.
I actually need to look closer at you. I don’t know how you or falcon have spewed themselves not.
as opposed to being a chaos goblin
I also pushed the two dead townies as my only confident wolf reads
lol it’s funny you think NAA has spewed himself the opposite of what he claims he won’t rescindhollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:24 pm I think I've spewed myself not jester. I think scotty, naa, and falcon have done the same.
I was thinking about LC a lot last night and I can’t actually remember anything he said yesterday, so I went back and looked. He seemed to town read more than suspect, and then his exchange with you was like a maraca during the Moonlight Sonata. Like it was half-formed and stilted, and he didn’t really mean what he was saying.
Marmot’s firmly still in my jester reads. He might have gone up to the top 2. His posts near end of day in a vacuum are logistically shruggy. He isn’t seeming to push a particular agenda, and is firmly in the middle. Hey! He broke the tie yesterday! He did say he did not want HK to get lynched, which was never explained. But that lines up with why he voted for dolby over HK to break the tie. I don’t think he cared that dolby lived or died though. The marmot/hk relationship is something to watch, but I think it’s just a red herring and marmot has a very good chance to be jester.
I agree- I think the kill looks like a doc dodge. I don’t remember anyone actively townreading Lp.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:54 pmhollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:42 pm I'm assuming wolves think/thought LP would be a safe kill b/c doctor would be on nanook b/c wolves dunno if he's fake claiming cop or not.
Would nanook be the kind of wolf to fake claim cop and then drop a naked vote on someone at sod without posting in the thread in an attempt to paint his target as a check?comments on my thoughts?
Oh ok hi fellow Vulcanfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:55 pmI have lost count of the number of times I've heard scum make this defenseLinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:37 pmI haven't made a scummy post this game, so no, and he is lying I know that.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:33 pm So, the real question is @LinearPoint are you projecting onto Falcon what you view as scummy in your own play, or are you genuinely confused about how people come about scum reads in a mafia game, or do you think Falcon is lying, and is in fact mafia for it?
But he has made some posts that I don't fully expect from a Mafia.
I'm still leaning on Mafia. He's also not flipping Jester.
Only issue is I'm also still scum reading HK and Dolby with there being only 2 Mafia.
So 3 scum reads means I know I'm wrong one of them. Perhaps Dolby.
“I haven't made a scummy post this game”LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:37 pmI haven't made a scummy post this game, so no, and he is lying I know that.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:33 pm So, the real question is @LinearPoint are you projecting onto Falcon what you view as scummy in your own play, or are you genuinely confused about how people come about scum reads in a mafia game, or do you think Falcon is lying, and is in fact mafia for it?
But he has made some posts that I don't fully expect from a Mafia.
I'm still leaning on Mafia. He's also not flipping Jester.
Only issue is I'm also still scum reading HK and Dolby with there being only 2 Mafia.
So 3 scum reads means I know I'm wrong one of them. Perhaps Dolby.
lol if you think LP has an ounce of jester energy in how they approached the game at first, you’re mistaken. LP as jester makes zero sense. Mafia, yes. LP didn’t intend to set themself up as a lynch target I don’t think.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 2:30 pm LP is moving pieces around, but not actually playing the game IMO
Oh I figured that was a joke because you were making up your mind on which or LP or LC were wolf, so you voted me.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:59 amI feel I made that clear last night?Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:51 amSo because I’m trying too hard… I’m not catching your implication. Do I look wolf or jester to you?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:44 amCheck out that enthusiasmScotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:42 am Claimed jester:
Marmot
NAA
Wilgy
HK (more below)
Not claimed jester:
Nook (though he technically did, it came off as more of a joke. He started by saying he was not a jester)
LP (is the Joker’s best friend, and {probably} jokingly started the game by saying they’d help the jester to win)
Me
Dolby (4) (hasn’t even joked about claiming jester)
Falcon (acting with illogic and ironically hasn’t claimed jester)
LC (made a jestery first post, but is adamantly denying making a jester claim)
Of those that have claimed jester, I’m more suspicious of HK after my brief ISO.
He starts by posting a picture of a catty-looking jester (or a jestery-looking cat, what have you) and coming out swinging by saying we should chip everyone that hasn’t claimed jester. A bold statement considering his later post:I don’t believe HK hadn’t read that portion of the game before dishing out lynch advice. This thought feels insincere
Maf
As a method of blending or appearing untouchable, I see no reason they shouldn’t be seen as potentially strategicNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:56 am"Just going on what people have claimed except for nanook who I decided was joking"Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:50 amI’m just going on what people have literally claimed.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:44 am Do you uh...think the other people were claiming jester seriously?
NAA is jester never rescinding
Wilgy looks to have seriously claimed jester
Marmot hasn’t *not* said he wasn’t serious about it in his 3 posts thus far
HK seems to be serious about it but hasn’t talked about it since D0.
Not even getting into how weird it is to treat jester claims as being serious to begin with
So because I’m trying too hard… I’m not catching your implication. Do I look wolf or jester to you?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:44 amCheck out that enthusiasmScotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:42 am Claimed jester:
Marmot
NAA
Wilgy
HK (more below)
Not claimed jester:
Nook (though he technically did, it came off as more of a joke. He started by saying he was not a jester)
LP (is the Joker’s best friend, and {probably} jokingly started the game by saying they’d help the jester to win)
Me
Dolby (4) (hasn’t even joked about claiming jester)
Falcon (acting with illogic and ironically hasn’t claimed jester)
LC (made a jestery first post, but is adamantly denying making a jester claim)
Of those that have claimed jester, I’m more suspicious of HK after my brief ISO.
He starts by posting a picture of a catty-looking jester (or a jestery-looking cat, what have you) and coming out swinging by saying we should chip everyone that hasn’t claimed jester. A bold statement considering his later post:I don’t believe HK hadn’t read that portion of the game before dishing out lynch advice. This thought feels insincere
I’m just going on what people have literally claimed.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:44 am Do you uh...think the other people were claiming jester seriously?
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:42 amScotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:10 amfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:56 amScotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:38 amfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:08 amI feel like one of you is Maf, tho I'm unsure who atmLime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:05 amDepends on how people play as 3P. I've seen players try to townside or just fuck around and be a circus act.LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:56 am I mean it's fair. I see why you town read them. I just think it's a little too focused on one thing.
And from the way I see it Jester is more a threat to Mafia since they want the Jester alive for protection from Cop, but not lynched because they lose.
They also just happen to be in the best position to actually know if someone is a Jester or not, so I'm thinking a focus on the Jester seems a bit more likely to come from Mafia.
Also feels like it could suck for town, because like you're pointing out now, it's a distraction as well. The jester gets the attention, mafia could choose to either hide in the background or partake to blend in.
Literally just a chaotic role.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:14 amThe way you both interact...it just feels...off?
Anyways,
[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine
He's prolly Godfather
[VOTE: falcon] aubergine
Falcon could be jester.
Then why are you voting me?
Because you’re trying too hard.
I think you look jestery. I’m not gonna vote for someone I think looks towny
You think I'm trying? Huh.
I don’t believe HK hadn’t read that portion of the game before dishing out lynch advice. This thought feels insincere
What if…wolves might want to appear as level headed and towny as possible.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:25 am which means the jester wants to be wolfy enough that the wolves won't NK them and not so wolfy that they're obvs the jester. That should narrow things down significantly. I think.
Also means wolves are more likely to claim jester tbh given that nobody actually wants to chop the jester here.
Also also means townies are less likely to claim jester. I think
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:56 amScotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:38 amfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:08 amI feel like one of you is Maf, tho I'm unsure who atmLime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:05 amDepends on how people play as 3P. I've seen players try to townside or just fuck around and be a circus act.LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:56 am I mean it's fair. I see why you town read them. I just think it's a little too focused on one thing.
And from the way I see it Jester is more a threat to Mafia since they want the Jester alive for protection from Cop, but not lynched because they lose.
They also just happen to be in the best position to actually know if someone is a Jester or not, so I'm thinking a focus on the Jester seems a bit more likely to come from Mafia.
Also feels like it could suck for town, because like you're pointing out now, it's a distraction as well. The jester gets the attention, mafia could choose to either hide in the background or partake to blend in.
Literally just a chaotic role.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:14 amThe way you both interact...it just feels...off?Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:09 amWhat makes you think this?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:08 amI feel like one of you is Maf, tho I'm unsure who atmLime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:05 amDepends on how people play as 3P. I've seen players try to townside or just fuck around and be a circus act.LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:56 am I mean it's fair. I see why you town read them. I just think it's a little too focused on one thing.
And from the way I see it Jester is more a threat to Mafia since they want the Jester alive for protection from Cop, but not lynched because they lose.
They also just happen to be in the best position to actually know if someone is a Jester or not, so I'm thinking a focus on the Jester seems a bit more likely to come from Mafia.
Also feels like it could suck for town, because like you're pointing out now, it's a distraction as well. The jester gets the attention, mafia could choose to either hide in the background or partake to blend in.
Literally just a chaotic role.
Anyways,
[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine
He's prolly Godfather
[VOTE: falcon] aubergine
Falcon could be jester.
Then why are you voting me?
I’ve already claimed not jester. Much like you’ve already claimed cop
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:08 amI feel like one of you is Maf, tho I'm unsure who atmLime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:05 amDepends on how people play as 3P. I've seen players try to townside or just fuck around and be a circus act.LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:56 am I mean it's fair. I see why you town read them. I just think it's a little too focused on one thing.
And from the way I see it Jester is more a threat to Mafia since they want the Jester alive for protection from Cop, but not lynched because they lose.
They also just happen to be in the best position to actually know if someone is a Jester or not, so I'm thinking a focus on the Jester seems a bit more likely to come from Mafia.
Also feels like it could suck for town, because like you're pointing out now, it's a distraction as well. The jester gets the attention, mafia could choose to either hide in the background or partake to blend in.
Literally just a chaotic role.
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:14 amThe way you both interact...it just feels...off?Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:09 amWhat makes you think this?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:08 amI feel like one of you is Maf, tho I'm unsure who atmLime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:05 amDepends on how people play as 3P. I've seen players try to townside or just fuck around and be a circus act.LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:56 am I mean it's fair. I see why you town read them. I just think it's a little too focused on one thing.
And from the way I see it Jester is more a threat to Mafia since they want the Jester alive for protection from Cop, but not lynched because they lose.
They also just happen to be in the best position to actually know if someone is a Jester or not, so I'm thinking a focus on the Jester seems a bit more likely to come from Mafia.
Also feels like it could suck for town, because like you're pointing out now, it's a distraction as well. The jester gets the attention, mafia could choose to either hide in the background or partake to blend in.
Literally just a chaotic role.
Anyways,
[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine
He's prolly Godfather
Ohhhh see ok. That does make sense.LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:56 am I mean it's fair. I see why you town read them. I just think it's a little too focused on one thing.
And from the way I see it Jester is more a threat to Mafia since they want the Jester alive for protection from Cop, but not lynched because they lose.
They also just happen to be in the best position to actually know if someone is a Jester or not, so I'm thinking a focus on the Jester seems a bit more likely to come from Mafia.
I feel like you’re being too nonchalant and taking the opposite approach of not worrying about the jester for the sake of finding cracker crumbs on a beach.LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:45 am And honestly reading over Dolby's posts they seem pretty focused on the Jester and Jester fearmongering.
I feel, personally, the Mafia are going to be far more worried of the Jester and alert for it. After all they are only looking for indications someone might be trying to scumside.
Town meanwhile are trying to find the difference between Mafia scummy behavior and Jester scummy behavior.
Like this early reads in particular.
It sounds like stilted in this context is trying to be used to insinuate that I am a Jester trying to act natural.
They say NAA isn't Jester, but also sounds like Jester.
And Marmot is Jestery.
None of these are Town reads, and at least 2 of them are directly related to Jester and none of them even mention Mafia.
This comes across as someone who is way too hyperfocused on the Jester. Combined with what I noticed about their odd request for Cop to basically sit this game out and not participate I do not like them at all so far.
I don't think this is Jester either. this seems like Mafia trying to get Town to focus on Jester as a distraction.
