The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:04 pm this flipped mafia role has made 0 actions since n2 it would appear? or at least unblocked actions.

That’s why I don’t buy that flip

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:03 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:01 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:58 pm [VOTE: scotty] aubergine
That you are already willing to throw me to the gallows without Dolby even chiming in is concerning
I can't see how Dolby says anything that updates my opinion.

He might be able to lie detect me

Hello

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:58 pm [VOTE: scotty] aubergine

That you are already willing to throw me to the gallows without Dolby even chiming in is concerning

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:56 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:51 pm Or, there’s only one wolf. That makes more sense to my little pig brain
If there is only 1 wolf then a townie caused all the n2 card swapping. The only townie it could have been is you.

Also means there never was a flip insanifier. Also means the weird flip stuff from last night was also town caused. Which again would be you.

Why could it have only been me? We still don’t know what else Lime Coke or Dolby can do.

I literally haven’t done shit with my role because the conditions haven’t been met. Don’t know what else to tell you

Why doesn’t Lime Coke just come out and claim? If he were an actual doctor, there wouldn’t be a point in hiding his other roles

Or, there’s only one wolf. That makes more sense to my little pig brain

Honestly, in a world where there are 2 scum left, we’re dealing with something a tad more orchestrated.

Got this nagging feeling in the back of my mind that the reason mac and Alison are still alive is that they’re wolves so deep, they only come up for air every millennium.

Shoot man I hate being at end game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:14 pm So Alison got kidnapped n1. I got cursed n2. This peeked role apparently did nothing n3. So that clearly means that the tactician redistributed on n3. Martin originally had the curse power. Died d4 which released me from the curse.

Question is why the person with these roles has not made a single action since.

And where is the wolf who did the card swapping on n2 that was clearly originally Nanook?

Didn’t Dolby say they had honey’s flavor card? Looks like creature swapped with him, if my deduction is correct

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:14 pm So Alison got kidnapped n1. I got cursed n2. This peeked role apparently did nothing n3. So that clearly means that the tactician redistributed on n3. Martin originally had the curse power. Died d4 which released me from the curse.

Question is why the person with these roles has not made a single action since.

And where is the wolf who did the card swapping on n2 that was clearly originally Nanook?

You started your insanification at exactly 7 hours after D3 started. I think it might have been the D3/N3 cycle

Man, waiting around for Dolby is gonna be a real drag. It’s like I’m missing 75 pieces from my 1000 piece puzzle

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:09 pm There are two wolves left alive imo.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:09 pm There are two wolves left alive imo.
if there's two one of the soup targets is a wolf

Or 2…

I was kinda hoping that would trigger an ability like TH’s LIAR but nah

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:10 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:07 pm The way I see it is exactly how Alison has described- the souper only knows a portion of what I do, so I think I’m safe there. They don’t know Alison. So even if they soup the other 2 (and HK if a vanilla can be souped), that’ll leave us with 3 left: me, Alison and the souper.

Which is why they probably won’t soup today.

Is there a flaw in that logic?
ok, so if there's soup they only need to know one of your abilities, not all three.
They can soup mac via ascetic, me via vanilla, dolby via lie detector, and LC via doctor
That would leave you, alison, and lime coke. If soup is still an option I'd go for that today if I were a wolf that isn't named scotty

I triple dog dare them.

Is there ANY way Mac is bad? I can write off his insanification as a gambit he would do. The gun thing? Lying about being an ascetic with shitty powers? Yea, maybe.
But he’s a strong presence! Yea, I was just in a game with him as a strong presence and was all over the place- mafia.

I just don’t want to believe it. My gut says no

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:05 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:02 pm Why is Lime Coke town to you, HK?
ugh you're gonna make me think. I just want to chop you on auto-pilot lol

I can see that. And if what we’ve come to the conclusion on that this could be MYLO it’s a bad idea

The way I see it is exactly how Alison has described- the souper only knows a portion of what I do, so I think I’m safe there. They don’t know Alison. So even if they soup the other 2 (and HK if a vanilla can be souped), that’ll leave us with 3 left: me, Alison and the souper.

Which is why they probably won’t soup today.

Is there a flaw in that logic?

Why is Lime Coke town to you, HK?

Exactly my thinking. He’s either the towniest of towns or he’s a plant doing everything to look textbook town and I’m wavering because I know that I am town and I think you are so it simply has to be one of you towny people

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:57 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:56 pm @Dolby if you still have that lie detector ability, it is in best interest to resolve me with that ability

Again, I am town.
if his judgement day is anything like mine when I randed it on MU it was a 1x ability.

Mm

So again, why is Dolby your mark if you had to choose in soup?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:55 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:01 pm I am 80% sure I had something to do with Michelle's death. 20% chance there was other fuckery going on given this is a Guillo bastard game. Notes from yesterday:

1) Flea looks good for poring through my ISO to look for scum suspects on a day where the scum wanted to shut me up.

2) People who expressed paranoia about me arranging my own kidnap to make myself look good get town points. Most of the time when scum openly sabotages someone they're already internally accepting that player will get towncleared off it, and I doubt scum kidnaps me if they thought they could seriously raise suspicion on me.

3) Ender has to go. Three wagons at D1 were mansnicks/HK/Ender, and two of those have flipped town. The ferocity and volume of vote movement suggests that scum cared which of them died. Ender has done nothing really unfakeable as scum other than write a few walls and I suspect his D1 wagon may have been entirely clear.
This was the claim that Alison was responsible for Michelle's death.

Gotcha thank you

Gun to head: if you had to name one person mafia in the Soup Kill, who would it be?

@Dolby if you still have that lie detector ability, it is in best interest to resolve me with that ability

Again, I am town.

Wait wait wait
If Dolby’s role literally confesses to lie detecting, he is the easiest soup target ever.

Like, he’s part of the soup regardless. Why hasn’t he claimed his full role?

Has that shitty gun ability that backfires and depowerizes been revealed in a role yet? Dolby seemed to know a lot about it

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:19 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:18 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:15 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:08 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:00 pm like from your perspective you should be wolf casing literally everyone, even the "soup clears" as hard as you possibly can to not only show that you're town but also to find the last wolf. But you're really not. You're focusing on me and Lime as the softest clears.

Surely you'd be trying to dig into Alison as she's the one the wolves would have gotten wrong based on what's been said in thread up to that point.
I just don't get it

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:00 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:54 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:52 pm why aren't you hammering that scotty?
Hammering what
That if we're wrong today and wolf has a soup available we just lose
I think I have mentioned the possibility that this could be MYLO. I don’t need to put it on a sign and glue it to my forehead.

No one is “cleared”, but a lot of the soup people have good
Town equity, and what I’m seeing and saying is that LC has the least town equity in the rest of the list. Would you disagree with that?

You mean do I think LC is the most likely wolf in the soup? no. I don't think there is a likely wolf in the soup.
You also were certain that TH was bad.

As were *most* of us.

I’m asking you to open your mind, Quaid

If there were someone bad in the soup, who would you think is bad?
I already said I'm victim blaming TH for this lol

If someone in the soup is bad it's.....
Spoiler: show
dolby

Tell me about this angle

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:07 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:16 am
A Soup Kill Has Been Attempted!

The following soup kill has been submitted:

MacDougall - Ascetic
Dolby - Lie Detector
Lime Coke - Doctor
Alison - Bomb Giver

One or more of these players has been wrongly matched to their roles, as a result, the soup kill fails and the mafia team will lose their factional kill for tonight.

All the people in the soup kill look town to me honestly.

Mac got targeted by a few maf abilities and has been a strong presence throughout the game.

Dolby lie detected and killed a wolf.

Lime Coke is the best of the flavored Cokes.

Alison killed a wolf during night 1 and got kidnapped in the same night.

The only one NOT on this list was HollowKat who has already been dusted off, flip town, and resurrected.

Wait, remind me when alison claimed she killed Michelle?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:15 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:08 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:00 pm like from your perspective you should be wolf casing literally everyone, even the "soup clears" as hard as you possibly can to not only show that you're town but also to find the last wolf. But you're really not. You're focusing on me and Lime as the softest clears.

Surely you'd be trying to dig into Alison as she's the one the wolves would have gotten wrong based on what's been said in thread up to that point.
I just don't get it

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:00 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:54 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:52 pm why aren't you hammering that scotty?
Hammering what
That if we're wrong today and wolf has a soup available we just lose
I think I have mentioned the possibility that this could be MYLO. I don’t need to put it on a sign and glue it to my forehead.

No one is “cleared”, but a lot of the soup people have good
Town equity, and what I’m seeing and saying is that LC has the least town equity in the rest of the list. Would you disagree with that?

You mean do I think LC is the most likely wolf in the soup? no. I don't think there is a likely wolf in the soup.

You also were certain that TH was bad.

As were *most* of us.

I’m asking you to open your mind, Quaid

If there were someone bad in the soup, who would you think is bad?

I have to step away for a bit but I would advise against not hammering me until we look at all the angles

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:08 pm The tactician might have redistributed roles, which would explain the delay. We know that kidnapper and time loop are real roles, at least.

The closer I look at that role the less I understand how it works

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:08 pm The tactician might have redistributed roles, which would explain the delay. We know that kidnapper and time loop are real roles, at least.

I’m still curious if there is a role that can janitorize role descriptions.

Because if this is the real reveal, we have to believe almost all the reveals unless it’s a town ability which makes no sense

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:00 pm like from your perspective you should be wolf casing literally everyone, even the "soup clears" as hard as you possibly can to not only show that you're town but also to find the last wolf. But you're really not. You're focusing on me and Lime as the softest clears.

Surely you'd be trying to dig into Alison as she's the one the wolves would have gotten wrong based on what's been said in thread up to that point.
I just don't get it

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:00 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:54 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:52 pm why aren't you hammering that scotty?
Hammering what
That if we're wrong today and wolf has a soup available we just lose

I think I have mentioned the possibility that this could be MYLO. I don’t need to put it on a sign and glue it to my forehead.

No one is “cleared”, but a lot of the soup people have good
Town equity, and what I’m seeing and saying is that LC has the least town equity in the rest of the list. Would you disagree with that?

N1- Alison gets kidnapped
N2- GG last vote on HK. Wasn’t killed. What role was used here from that list?
N3- guillo/Flea last vote for GG. Wasn’t killed.
D4/N4- Mac is insanified
N5- who the hell knows who voted last for Triple.

Unless the last night was one of the dead townies, I don’t see how this role is real. Unless they were blocked, but I feel like we would have some claimers as such. What happened N2 and n3? Vanilla-ized? It doesn’t make sense

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:18 am
An Active Role Has Been Revealed!

► Show Spoiler
Mafia Jack Of All Trades.

You win upon reaching parity to town and all other threats to your survival are dead. You may holster your actions

As Mafia, you have access to the Factional Night Kill Action. Players targeted with this action will die at the end of the Night unless protected. Submit your Night Action each night by private messaging any of the hosts. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used. If no Mafia submit an action, a player will be picked at random from the living non-Mafia players.
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As Mafia Jack Of All Trades, you have access to one or more night actions. Don't have to use in any specific order.

x3 Kidnapper

The player you target that night will be unable to post and vote the next day. Their absence and return will be announced by the mod.

x2 Izanoomi

You may choose a target during the day and cast “Izanoomi” on it, trapping the target in an eternal time-loop in its own mind. During the day the target will only be able to post the same last post it posted to the thread the previous day, except for the vote (if there was one). The target may vote as it normally would but always accompanied by the same post referred to in this role description.

And every night it’ll perform the same action it was targeted by from the night it was trapped with the Izanoomi, against a random non-mafia player. The target will not be informed of this. If it's a killing action and the random player is already dead, your target will still attempt the action but fail. If your target was targeted by more than one player that night, then the action will be randomized between those actions every night.

The curse will automatically be lifted upon your death.

x3 Factional Guillotine Enabler

The Factional Guillotine is a day action that replaces both the factional kill and the soup kill options.
As long as you are alive, your faction may choose to perform the factional guillotine, killing whoever places the last vote on the lynched player that day, disabling the factional night kill and soup kill the following night. You must submit this action at least 15 minutes before the elimination.

If successful, the host will post “A head rolls inadvertently” followed by the target's alignment flip only (without the role).

You got a limited amount of Kidnapper, Izanoomi and Factional Guillotine uses.

This is a bizarre reveal.

We’ve only seen 1 kidnap, and 1 insanifier. What about the other 3??

Wait I need to go back and see if someone that placed their vote at the end was also killed in the night. This role seems to imply it doesn’t hAppen immediately

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:52 pm why aren't you hammering that scotty?

Hammering what

I don’t usually get this far into games.

Like I’m super unprepared but have to get up to do a group presentation and I don’t know what to do with my hands

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:33 pm He was rezzed by his flavor card apparently.

Yes, that is what his flavor card says, and my point was that if there were a mafia role that could Rez him, they would count on that. Because who would go against a confirmed town?

The only thing confirming he is still town is HK saying so.

Granted, it hinges on the believability that that role could exist for mafia.

Otherwise, it’s more likely someone in the soup

I realllllly don’t expect HK to have been rezzed by mafia. That role would be super OP. Don’t want to believe it. It’s gotta be someone in the Oceanic Four.

Like, has anyone heard of a role that can recruit to your team someone that was dead?

I’m also aware that Dolby can probably use his lie detector role again today as it’s been a full cycle.

Here’s one: I’m town.

That’s all I’ll say for that, because I think the souper will still have a hard time figuring that out

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:16 pm You haven't used a single role this game?

My role is conditional and none of those conditions were met.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:17 pm Would you be willing to claim the category of your roles? Like, investigative, protective, killing, etc.?

Yes, I am protective and suicidal. And I haven’t done any of the above lol. Like literally one of my roles is dog shit tier

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:15 pm Why not give it to Mac?

Town votes Alison for NK immunity, mafia can't kill me so they aim their gun at Mac instead.

Mac gets your flavor card, Mac steals NK immunity, kill is blocked. It's what I would have done in your shoes.

Well unfortunately you are not in my shoes, which is probably fine because they’re old and grungy

Me full claiming will do absolutely nothing but add to potential soup btw, because I haven’t used ANY of my potential roles, so it’s a waste to even admit it.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:10 pm It's a nice flavor card. Honestly kinda scummy you kept it this long given that you'd never eat an NK and other people could use it better than you.

How do you like mine?

Also how dare: NEVER eat a NK? I get NK’d more than lynched if my memory serves me right, and I think I have been an ok target thank you very much

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:10 pm It's a nice flavor card. Honestly kinda scummy you kept it this long given that you'd never eat an NK and other people could use it better than you.

How do you like mine?

My intent was to hold it once I could be more consensus town, which I thought I was until d4 when I had some more people pipe up that I wasn’t, and so I shipped it odd to someone that could use it more. Wanted to give it to Mac but settled on you.

Yours is nice, good early game, I don’t think I have a great use for it. Don’t know how you have utilized it at all this game to influence your reads tho

Oh, and not that it clears me, but how do you like my flavor card, Alison?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:06 pm If it's between you and LC I'm far more inclined to vote you though.

I understand.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:04 pm The other thing is that I don't understand why you think it's MyLo when you seem willing to clear everyone except LC.

Possibly you have something up your sleeve (a second soup? Some extra KP mechanic?) that you think could maybe help you win the game if you get a misexe today and that's why you're gunning for LC as the softest clear you can possibly swing the vote on.

I’m not clearing anyone, and I’m currently going through everyone’s scum equity

I’ve never advocated for claiming roles, though you seem unperturbed in doing so

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:02 pm You aren't getting souped at this point.

We don’t know that

Dolby:
-killed our consensus red check in TSP = not AI, but town-sided.
-Lie checked and killed Ender in cold blood = the ultimate bus, would be VERY hard to scum read him after that. If he’s mafia, he’s played a very town-sided game, and would be very hard to want to lynch him for it.

If HK is town, then someone on the soup kill HAS to be mafia. And I’m in no position to convince everyone of that. Because I’m boxed in a corner. Would be super brilliant move for myself to do so as mafia. I’m not that dumb

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