[VOTE: DM] aubergine
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lol I like how you answered the prompt of ‘why is Scotty not towny’ by wholly talking about why you’re not scummy.baker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:14 amI will believe Radishes re-entry was more on the towny side than the classical wolf entrance of "x is town, x and y fight makes no sense. lets look at z"Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:56 pm@baker my leige, take it awayMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:17 pm I like Scotty's vibe. Seems comfortable in the thread.
Someone tell me what makes him mafia if you think I'm wrong.
I am unfamiliar with most of you though so my read on the ranges can be bad. This is why I have been wanting to sheep someone for a few days. Also I had 2 tests at uni this week and one more to go on Saturday so I am busy.
I felt like robyn could be towny from their early D1 and sheeping them would be safe. I felt I am in a similar position due to my schedule.
So can someone explain what is the difference between garebare/Abi/robyn/me? FMPOV I am busy but trying my best to contribute with posts - contrary to Scotty/Martin calling me performative I actually had nothing calculated. robyn is yet to vote or push anyone and Abi is similary not taking any active participation. Garebare is a player in this game, i remember only one post from them. Are we all town and LHF? There is a good chance. Just because I sticked my head out a bit, I got 4 votes on me, makes me think we got a wolf pretending to solve the game
I feel like doing an exercisebaker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:19 amYour reaction to Stick's vote and to my read on it tells me you are town so thats cool. Don't take what I said about Sticks vote too seriously please )Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:16 pm I've come across two opinions from Baker I straight up disagree with (saying Stick's vote on me was good + strong reaction to Scotty's wagon analysis).
I don't know what to do with that.
Baker, post your hottest takes so I can see if I agree with any?
I also like that you described the Baker x Scotty situation as action-reaction and not really talked crap about either of us. I don't know what level of a player you are but these thoughts are much more townier than what others have presented behind their votes on me or other people.
I didn’t see it as willfully outing you as town at all. He mentioned me appealing to your authority, which doesn’t towntell you??MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:32 amupon reflection I'm not entirely sure if that makes it wolfy by BakerMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:08 pm Also his poking at me about a supposed appeal by Scotty was just....like manipulative lol
because if Baker is wolf then that might as well be willfully outing that I'm town and I don't think a wolf would risk it in circumstances where I could be seen as a decent partner to them
wolves just don't theater like that lol, and there's a sliiight chance where Baker was just being genuine but happened to go about things in not-the-best-way
but I'll mull it over in the future as to whether thats just wolf baker making an oopsie or not
YesMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:33 pmI was on it as one of the voters and I believed that Baker was likely town based on the fact he offered to sheep -- I can dive into this more if you'd like, it wouldn't really involve meta. So then the task became figuring out if either (or both) of Stick and Wilgy was a wolfy. That's just two people, and as I said before I kinda just felt at the time if they were wolves then they were wolfing together (this view has changed since then, but its what I had at the time).
Is it really so hard to believe that I had such a viewpoint? Regardless of how substantiated or unsubstantiated you think it is?
@baker my leige, take it awayMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:17 pm I like Scotty's vibe. Seems comfortable in the thread.
Someone tell me what makes him mafia if you think I'm wrong.
I like these catchup takes. Not specifically this one but it’s original takes and it’s enough to make me Townlean youMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:06 pmNow this is a towny entrance to D2. No bullshit emotional reaction to flipping falcon, just straight into the sass.Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:32 pmYea. WeMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:25 pm especially since, uh, we may have voted one off recently
Even if Scotty is mafia he's done better than the rest of you.
In her defense, sticks are known for pokingMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:45 pm This post
was bad. She's making busywork by 'poking' someone who has openly said they aren't going to be able to play till later. What was it supposed to achieve? Nothing productive - just makes her look like she's doing something.
I'm going to go iso Stick now and find confbiasy reasons to support this ping.
Man you and Abbi should start up a bored conventionMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:38 pm I tried reading from the beginning and got bored.
[VOTE: Stick] aubergine
I guess I don’t have a strong indication yet that you’re bad. If I did, or if I felt you had an agenda I could see, I’d probably lay into you as wolf or town.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:18 pmYou are both okayish. Sometimes you seem towny, others, I sense some hesitancy that makes me feel you're Wolfy. I get it, if you come out hard against me, I'm apt to plow right back into you, like with S~V~S that first game you were bad... and if you try to say I'm Town, it could be even worse, as I have been ultra sensitive to your pocketing since that same game. You're handling me with kid gloves, which is something I would attribute more to Wolf Scotty given our recent history.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:31 pmWhere are you on me and Martin?Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:01 am I am here, I'm currently keeping up with the thread while on the go, so I'm reading more than posting. Wilgy has earned a turnaround from me through his efforts; I believe he is Town now, and if not, then this is a Wilgy I can handle losing to.
Baker and Stick are tougher for me because I don't know them. I'm going to need to do another readthrough before I know where my suspicions lie, and I just realized that I'll need to clear my head on players, like Abi, who are in both games I'm playing.
Martin.... well, ok, I only looked at your ISO, Scotty, still need to reread him. Not sure.
OkLong Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:04 pmI was just thinking about this. Maybe, if Garebear is a Wolf, it's better to wait and see if we can squeeze info out of them for now. That is, if they do start playing. Voting them out now as a Wolf would be good but boring, because I don't think we get much of anything out of them. Voting them out as Town would probably get people pissed off.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:35 pmThis doesn’t sway me either way. We could basically treat this day as your first.DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:13 pmthis feels either as lazy town play or bad sneak wolf move, didnt you read how literally right after that another "sample size" was brought up about me doing that as town in severance...Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:19 pmSmall sample size, but I can see itDrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:55 am Just gonna put this down here, but your crack back suspicion looks exactly the same as it did when you were wolf in timelines:
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[VOTE: DarlingMonroe] aubergine to give baker some space to cool jets
Your posts up to this point have been engaging to be sure.
[VOTE: Garebear] aubergine
What about the guy that didn’t vote away from Abbi?baker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:45 pmhuh? i never called you a wolf though. I think there is a higher chance in finding a wolf that voted away from you knowing you haven't towned it up that hard in d1 and i feel like people are misrepping my reads quite hard here☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:18 pmSo I'm a wolf cause nobody played the game and a 3 vote wagon beat my 2 vote wagon?baker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:54 pm☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:29 amExplain why ?
I think there was an observable difference in your D1 activity compared to what I know of your games in the past
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Falcon was voting you and the Falcon wagon was formed at EoD which was a CW to yours, people decided to vote on it or vote on slots that weren't yours. You had the highest votes before with Falcon/Scotty. It is possible someone avoided voting you for whatever reason that can't be cleared alignment wise atp
I can show you games on this site recently where I've barely posted
I am not sbpc polarized
I got a rockDarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:27 pmi didnt vote because I missed EoD & hadnt catched up, but its okay to vote your biggest SUS even if youre the only vote, imo☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:26 pm I didn't vote because the options were me or someone I thought was townier than me lol
Which wolves are controlling the narrative?DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:25 pmokay youre town, but lets vote this time☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:24 pm I feel like I've done more than enough today for "I think we all think Abigail is scummy" to become "Abigail is readable actually" and yanno the only explanation I've got for scumminess is activity and that I was a CW
Which is asanine the wagons were T v T
cant let wolves control the narrative or vote
The thing is, we just don’t know much. No kill last night is…non informative. All we know is falcon was town, and so we have to determine if there was movement *away* from someone or if it truly was just a bad luck moment and wolves just…:…aren’t hereDarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:14 pmif youre town, u refusing the possibility of any of the other falcon votes being bad is just a game-losing guarantee
This doesn’t sway me either way. We could basically treat this day as your first.DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:13 pmthis feels either as lazy town play or bad sneak wolf move, didnt you read how literally right after that another "sample size" was brought up about me doing that as town in severance...Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:19 pmSmall sample size, but I can see itDrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:55 am Just gonna put this down here, but your crack back suspicion looks exactly the same as it did when you were wolf in timelines:
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[VOTE: DarlingMonroe] aubergine to give baker some space to cool jets
SureDrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:56 pmMindful that I retracted this one.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:19 pmSmall sample size, but I can see itDrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:55 am Just gonna put this down here, but your crack back suspicion looks exactly the same as it did when you were wolf in timelines:
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[VOTE: DarlingMonroe] aubergine to give baker some space to cool jets
Where are you on me and Martin?Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:01 am I am here, I'm currently keeping up with the thread while on the go, so I'm reading more than posting. Wilgy has earned a turnaround from me through his efforts; I believe he is Town now, and if not, then this is a Wilgy I can handle losing to.
Baker and Stick are tougher for me because I don't know them. I'm going to need to do another readthrough before I know where my suspicions lie, and I just realized that I'll need to clear my head on players, like Abi, who are in both games I'm playing.
I think it’s more that Martin came into the thread today with the basic viewpoint that everyone not on that wagon was suspect. Like, to immediately believe that was a pure wagon is absolutely a strange, unsubstantiated assumption
That is probably a good assumption if there are 3 non town, but I also think that incriminates either Abbi or LC since the votes were stacked up against those 2.DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:37 am so 12 player set-up, 3 not town is almost assured, if 2 mafia + one 3rd party, inclined to believe 2 of falcon votes are BAD
AKA suspect list [Martin, Wilgy, Stick, baker]
Small sample size, but I can see itDrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:55 am Just gonna put this down here, but your crack back suspicion looks exactly the same as it did when you were wolf in timelines:
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What I find laughable is that he took that part as an appeal to Martin’s authority when in reality it was trying to figure out the words between the lines.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:36 am Like, I'm just kinda think about how we went from 1 to 100 it feels.
Where is the nuanced reads elsewhere this game? Why if town, does it take Scotty pushing you to get a read like this?baker wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:16 pmScotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:06 pmNoteworthy? Not really. If there’s only 2 mafia, and abbi is bad, her partner doesn’t need to pile on an errant wagon, especially one that she herself didn’t even bother voting for in self preservationMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:47 pm Oh and Scotty since Flacon's flip, we know from your perspective (assuming town) that the abbi wagon had all town on it
do you think its noteworthy that nobody really joined that wagon? If the wolves were intentionally avoiding that wagon, who would you say that felt most inclined to do so?
you don't need to answer those questions specifically, but I think your thoughts would be contributive to how we all collectively solve the game given your unique insight from that perspective
I’d expect wolves to be willing to vote…where the colors of the wind take them, like Pocahontas.
This is a weird inquiry. Do you think we should be looking more at Abbi?
I can see w!Scotty making this post in hopes of throwing a possible LHF Abi under the bus and Abi could be either alignment here. This is not a post many town can make. There is a negotiation here with an appeal to authority(Martin).
Well, yes.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:05 pmAnd the player they took out with more of a handle on the thread was Falc?Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:03 pmTalking to the ‘other intentions’ hypothesis- I don’t know why mafia would have any information on that slot. So to me it’s eitherMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:53 pmThat sounds like a good summary. Though if it indicates alignment I would lean wolf since I feel like vote resistance is less likely to occur on towns, especially with a low-activity thread. Vote resistance on wolves would also prob be more reasonable in such an environment, as town activity will likely be unpredictable, though I am well aware I am talking right now to a former wolf who actively bussed their buddy in the game I recently hosted.
A) Abbi is a partner to 2 other mafia not biting on her on purpose
B) Abbi was just town and a non threat to mafia, as she wasn’t making much of an imprint in the thread and nonproductive collateral when they could get someone else that had more of a handle on the thread
I think it’s B
Disgusting??robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:53 pmi think your vote on baker is disgusting and i think martin shouldn't clear stick unless she claims attacked and protected (which she might have hinted at?). i think that i wigly is putting the most effort into this game than any other game i've seen him play. which either means wigly is mafia or he hates his family. and honestly i'm 100% certain he hates his family/his kids aren't letting him sleep LOLLLLLLScotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:47 pmNah, posting while drunk is an old past time. You should try it!
Any of your reads change from yesteryear?
Talking to the ‘other intentions’ hypothesis- I don’t know why mafia would have any information on that slot. So to me it’s eitherMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:53 pmThat sounds like a good summary. Though if it indicates alignment I would lean wolf since I feel like vote resistance is less likely to occur on towns, especially with a low-activity thread. Vote resistance on wolves would also prob be more reasonable in such an environment, as town activity will likely be unpredictable, though I am well aware I am talking right now to a former wolf who actively bussed their buddy in the game I recently hosted.
I somehow feel like I’m coming to conclusions in this game with whimsical ‘wolves wouldn’t use symmetry’ logic and I’m not sure why I’m thinking that way across the boardDrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:51 pm Further, to explain the pattern I noticed previously, those 4 (I think it was Martin, Robyn, MR and Baker) had all entered thread with some sort of 'Ill be busy this cycle' Slanky cover.
While thin, I don't immediately think wolves would enter threads in a similar fashion, but I'd never hedge the game on a pattern like this.
Oh hi, you have similar thoughtsDrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:40 pm Interesting movement as 2 from LC moved to Falcon.
Leads me to think that there's no W/W in Stick and Martin.
Also means that it was unlikely an Abi save as Abi wasn't in the lead during the earlier wagon.
Lastly, LC doesn't necessarily look to have been saved either as the players that jumped on Falc were on LC initially... Unless it's just Baker/LC, but that doesn't feel right.
See, now this is a view i was hoping for.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:36 pm Consolidating votes for personal use on mobile sucks.
D1 Mid
Abigail: Falcon, Scotty
LC: Martin, Garebare, Stick
Falcon: Wilgy
Baker: MR, Baker
D1 EoD
Abigail: Falcon, Scotty
LC: Garebare
Falcon: Martin, Wilgy, Stick, Baker
Wilgy: LC
Baker: MR
Missing: Robyn, DM, Abigail
I just feel like the easiest conclusion is, if it’s a game of 2 mafia like I’m currently assuming, they’re probably more scattered and don’t need to settle on anyone unnecessarily that would make them stand out.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:35 pmnah its just me being desperate in solving
I re-wrote my response to this a few times now, so honestly I'm not too sure myself, but I kinda felt like if you were town and abbi was town then it would seem like a preety decent place for mafia land themselves there. Especially when the abbi wagon had existed for almost the entire day, and nobody other than you and falcon ever poked them with a vote I believe. Which implies either mafia has a strategy w.r.t them (more on that below) or that abbi is mafia I think.
Like lets assume your belief about the mafia's behavior for d1 to be true. Why hasn't anybody parked a vote on Abbi for a single moment to create, idk, "pressure" wherein they were just using that an excuse to idle on d1 or something like that as their way of going along with the wind? The whole thread was having activity issues after all. In the case of town abbi, would suggest that the mafia either couldn't or didn't want to land on Abbi (like, say, have townread abbi before or considered white knighting if things went worse) or that mafia specifically wanted a non-abbi player dead?
If I flip to assume mafia abbi, why didn't more votes land on them? Although thinking this through more and what you said there doesn't seem to be any meaningfully specific conclusions.
my thoughts were kinda like all of that
but from the sounds of it your instincts aren't really telling you much about it so (again, assuming you're town) I'm possibly just being stupid here and making fantasy solves or making solves through fantasy ways
Nah, posting while drunk is an old past time. You should try it!
It felt like you just listed the most active players, which if I know you, you tend to prefer voting for players that have posts so we can learn from them.
OhDrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:05 pmWeird implying I was part of the pile on.Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:47 pm Something funky with that end of day vote pile on falcon.
I’m looking at you, Martin/wilgy/stick/baker.
Not all of those are bad, but I find it hard to believe that was all town. Nothing about falcon seemed particularly suspicious to me.
My initial perception is it was a save on Abbi based on votes, but that’s if there were 3+ mafia. Abbi didn’t even save herself which is…uhhh…sure something.
Anyway 9v3 seems overpowered. Could be 9 v 2 v 1 I guess.
But I dunno what the 3p would be. SK seems almost impossible with no kill last night.
Probably operating under 10v2 with some powerful scum PRs until we see a reason to believe otherwise.
10 v 2 is a 4 misyeeter
9 v 3 is a 3 misyeeter
Both theoretically within a realm of balance, the latter being slightly scum favored. Probably try to play for the first and hope?
You weren’t. You started it- I clarified in my next post.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:05 pmWeird implying I was part of the pile on.Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:47 pm Something funky with that end of day vote pile on falcon.
I’m looking at you, Martin/wilgy/stick/baker.
Not all of those are bad, but I find it hard to believe that was all town. Nothing about falcon seemed particularly suspicious to me.
My initial perception is it was a save on Abbi based on votes, but that’s if there were 3+ mafia. Abbi didn’t even save herself which is…uhhh…sure something.
Anyway 9v3 seems overpowered. Could be 9 v 2 v 1 I guess.
But I dunno what the 3p would be. SK seems almost impossible with no kill last night.
Probably operating under 10v2 with some powerful scum PRs until we see a reason to believe otherwise.
10 v 2 is a 4 misyeeter
9 v 3 is a 3 misyeeter
Both theoretically within a realm of balance, the latter being slightly scum favored. Probably try to play for the first and hope?
Not discounting participation, but to flat out imply you’re townreading everyone that voted with you is crazy.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:01 pm also, like
re "crazy"
I guess I could be crazy but honestly fuck that the opinion / not you, we have 250ish posts, several very low posting/contributing players, and I'm not consistently superb at playing mafia
right now I'm just trying, saying things, dumping whatever thoughts I have that might even be 10% relevant
contributing somehow in the hopes we all figure something out
maybe that constitutes crazy but like its not as if I can avoid being that if the circumstances promote it or whatever
What does that mean to say the combo of stick and Wilgy are mafia but not independently? You mean like different teams?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:55 pmoff the top of my head if there is mafia on the wagon its probably the combo of Stick and DrWilgy and not either of them independentlyScotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:48 pmYou’re crazy if you think falcon’s wagon had all town on it.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:43 pm scotty
abbi
master radishes
darling
garebare
think that's what I'll want to sort out, just wanted to write it down so I can sort things out in my head better
mild chance I've mistakenly townread someone but that's something for future martin to worry about if I don't find this PoE to be all that enlightening and I am somehow not dead by then
I think I need to sort you
but that would mean I am very wrong and that's illegal
Noteworthy? Not really. If there’s only 2 mafia, and abbi is bad, her partner doesn’t need to pile on an errant wagon, especially one that she herself didn’t even bother voting for in self preservationMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:47 pm Oh and Scotty since Flacon's flip, we know from your perspective (assuming town) that the abbi wagon had all town on it
do you think its noteworthy that nobody really joined that wagon? If the wolves were intentionally avoiding that wagon, who would you say that felt most inclined to do so?
you don't need to answer those questions specifically, but I think your thoughts would be contributive to how we all collectively solve the game given your unique insight from that perspective
I give this vote a B-MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:52 pm [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine
party at my place tonight if I'm indeed obvious villager!
I give this vote a C-, borderline F.
I give this vote a C- as well.baker wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:54 pm[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergineMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:52 pm [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine
party at my place tonight if I'm indeed obvious villager!
please don't die martin
these wolves will rip me apart!!!
I give this vote a B+